Done with Guitar Amps? Yeah, me too...

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024

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  • @heychrisgreen
    @heychrisgreen  Před měsícem +4

    My Strymon Iridium has been REPLACED… 🫣
    Thank you all for the support for this channel! More on the way

  • @robbyclark6915
    @robbyclark6915 Před měsícem +7

    I guess everyone these days assumes we all have the tech sitting in our music area to buy whatever amp modeler and plug it into whatever you plug these things in to? I'm assuming it's some type of computer program with monitors? I don't know? I have a tablet. I don't even own a computer. I do have a deluxe reverb, vox ac15, a vintage pro reverb, and multiple other amps i have accumulated over the years. I wouldn't even know where to start to use that little amp modeler, and im certainly not going out and purchasing a computer and monitors and programs and whatever else. I have multiple amps to choose from when I play my guitars.

  • @MrScrofulous
    @MrScrofulous Před měsícem +3

    Nope. Just don’t want to put the effort in to get digital to sound good.
    Too easy to plug into a simple tube amp and sound good.
    Just bought a Revv G20.
    .

  • @AlexRoxjar
    @AlexRoxjar Před měsícem +3

    I’ve been playing through plugins or modellers for over 10 years now. Never even switched on an amp. I have a huge collection of amp sims. Recently I played through an amazing tube amp and all I can think now is the sound of that amp for a month now. Maybe I just grownup but all I want nowadays is comeback from work, plug my guitar straight into the amp, sit on my couch and play. No interfaces, no menus, no nothing. And the interesting thing is that now I pretty mucked stopped recording. If I was I’d definitely use plugins or modellers still.

  • @plantagenant
    @plantagenant Před měsícem +2

    If you're primarily a home player, which I am these days, its easier to just plug into a small combo than get a modeller, a power amp of some sort and monitors.

  • @serpentsbane9166
    @serpentsbane9166 Před měsícem +1

    Jim Lill said it best "The amp in the room sound is an ILLUSION!" & "more than it doesn't matter, it CAN NOT matter in getting a good tone"
    Every guitar tone you've ever loved on any classic record was, for the most part, a RECORDING of a guitar > amp > cab & speaker > microphone > studio processing, more or less. THIS is what modelers are trying to recreate, NOT the amp in the room sound older players can't seem to detach from. Going through comments on any video regarding physical amps vs. modelers & plugins, it is mostly bedroom players who are team tube amp or nothing, as they have never heard what their amps sounded like mic'd up professionally and have thus a massive disconnect between what they are used to hearing / feeling and what modelers are actually meant to produce. There are some ways to get that in the room sound if of some reason you can't live without it, such as running your modeler through a separate power amp with power amp simulation disabled if available into a real cab. Running it through an FRFR or P.A. system will just be replication the final professional studio sound at high volume, which is still a completely different sound than in the room.
    I hope this information could be of service to someone out there to help along their Guitar journey! In any case, keep on Rocking guys! \m/

  • @MisterWade74
    @MisterWade74 Před měsícem +3

    Hi, I think the main reasons people wouldn’t use a medium/large combo amp is convenience, i.e. not having to load in and out; having no sound onstage if using IEMs in a venue/band which prefers this. As for your comment re the expensive amps not sounding good to your ear.. well I agree with another commentator that good players will make all gear sound good. We’re all on a continuum when it comes to our tone, time, technique, taste etc and as a relatively experienced player and teacher, I’d suggest that things such as touch (speed of attack; fingers or pick; which gauge and material of pick); use of volume knob on guitar in particular; setting of controls on amp in each different room; age of strings (I change mine every 4 gigs or so) etc would be better to focus on than G.A.S. I’ve regularly been astounded to sit in a room with players better than me and swap gear, only to find they sound like themselves (i.e. amazing) and I sound like me (i.e. a work in progress.) Sure, there’ve been some great modern tones recorded or played live with amp simulators, but a good player with a well set up guitar with good strings played through, say, a Fender Blues Junior (or Deluxe Reverb or Blues Deluxe) is going to sound good all the time. There’s a warmth and depth to the sound and a response to touch which is inspirational. However, I do remember reading and working through the thought control and meditation exercises in ‘Effortless Mastery’ by Kenny Werner when at music school, and convincing myself to love the sound of my cheap little 5 watt transistor practice amp.

  • @jahjah67
    @jahjah67 Před měsícem +2

    Maybe it’s a generational thing but it seems us older folks prefer tube amps because of the feel. It’s not just the sound we are buying. We also lean more toward Marshall type amps that modeling doesn’t mimic well. Maybe this video should be subtitled if you use a Fender style amp and you’re younger than 40. Also you were more influenced by John Mayer.

  • @danielgallardo7249
    @danielgallardo7249 Před měsícem +3

    Hey Chris! I couldn't agree more with your sentiments. I am a similar guitar player as you. Plays at my local Church, occasionally plays with other jam bands live, and records my own music for my business CZcams channel. I invested into a Quad Cortex earlier this year, and I am not looking back. I still have my original Boss Katana from when I first started playing guitar again, which I use if the stage can't support my Quad Cortex. But I don't see myself owning an expensive amp anytime soon. The amp I do have my eyes on for those occasional live jam gigs is the Fender Deluxe Tonemaster. Every time I play it at a Guitar Center, I cannot believe it is a solid state. It sounds amazing to my ears, and it is a featherweight compared to a tube amp.

  • @TheCSteve
    @TheCSteve Před měsícem +2

    Yep i recent sold my kemper .. That digital amps are nice if you like to turn knobs and things ..
    Actual I was recording and my voice wouldn't glue and when i used an IR room and amp on the guitar then it was good ..
    So I took after that expierience my Marshall JCM800, because it was dusty and this will fit for the test ..
    I put up 2 SM 58 Beta .. Did a little EQ when i recorded and compression and voila it sounded already better than the Kemper ..
    More warm so I was done with the kemper .. The sound is oke but if you listen very good at it and test it with recording then you will notice a high quality difference ..
    It will give you a lot of work and the oldskool way is almost good straight out of the box .. Maybe I sell my Artist Katana 100 too .. Then i still have 3 amps .. More then enough!

  • @glen4326
    @glen4326 Před měsícem +9

    Maybe I'm wrong, but amp modeling in my opinion sounds dry, sterile, and awful compared to an amp.

    • @suedeface
      @suedeface Před měsícem +1

      If you haven't already, try these: Neural DSP Morgan, ToneX ODS. You can trial both of those. To me they both sound and feel great.

    • @Aycejay
      @Aycejay Před měsícem

      You’re totally right

    • @spatnaspolecnost
      @spatnaspolecnost Před měsícem

      I’ve been playing tube amps for about 15 years and I can tell you I’m hooked on tonex. There is a lot of crap captures but when you find the one the dynamics the feel everything is like a real tube amp, unless you’re using a fuzz face. You can put all the eq and comp in the chain as well as the sound being completely consistent. Sure I don’t think I would rely on PA to get the sound live but at home there is no better solution. Did I mention it’s free compared to the thousands of dollars worth of tube amp solution?

    • @JimmyGallowayGuitar
      @JimmyGallowayGuitar Před měsícem +1

      It all boils down to your monitoring situation

    • @G-NutZ
      @G-NutZ Před měsícem

      I tried to like modelers and for a quick practice amp they are good sometimes, but… nothing have the feel or sounds as good as my two modded Marshalls with a few of my favorite pedals. I like to use my volume knob to control gain from a crunch to lead tone and the modelers don’t do this very well for me.

  • @Medic397
    @Medic397 Před měsícem +1

    Play a lot of gigs throughout the state. Grab my tube amp, cable, guitar, guitar stand and im good to go. Maybe a pedal or two, tuner and ready to gig. Been doing it for 50 years. Play my gig, get my mula and head to the house. Works well for.

  • @JC_Walker
    @JC_Walker Před měsícem +3

    It just doesn’t feel right to me when I’ve tried to use helix and stuff like that playing live. Especially with a loud drummer. I’d rather have a fender deluxe at a reasonable volume and a good OD pedal. The dynamics and response is superior to modeling through a wedge and PA. Modeling works great in church and the studio though

  • @fatbackfunk
    @fatbackfunk Před měsícem

    As always, to each their own i.e. embrace, utilize and enjoy whatever works for 'you'..! Clearly, technology has come a long way and yes, in most cases these days, in the context of a mix/recording, it'd be nearly impossible to detect whether or not a real amp was used. I think that obviously goes without saying. However, I think for most people, including myself, the 'desire' to play an actual amp comes down to, not only the tone itself, but equally important, the feel, more than anything.
    I use both and the amp sims, though super convenient in many ways, especially for tracking, just doesn't feel the same to me. It's really hard for me to get a vibe from the sims, whereas, with the amps, it's instant vibe and mojo the moment I plug in and play one note, which, for me, is everything and is something that drastically affects and inspires my performance/playing i.e. the way the amp, itself, responds to my touch, especially if I'm in the same room with the amp/speaker whilst playing/tracking. Again, it always elevates my performance and genuinely affects the way I play, for the better.
    Again, the sims have their place and will certainly get the job done. Being able to track late at night and/or anytime, for that matter is a huge plus, game changer and the main reason I dig and use em'. But, if I had the luxury of having a proper iso booth in my home, where I could crank up any of my amps at any time, without disturbing my housemates, the amp sims would never be used, that's for sure.
    I'm actually moving towards, more of a 'hybrid' setup. My real amps > UA OX > interface > DAW > OX speaker/cab and mic sims. That way I can still use and track with all my real amps, crank em' as loud as needed at any time but not have to contend with any volume issues.
    For live situations, I personally cannot part ways with using actual amps onstage moving air the way they do. But again, that's just me, what I prefer and really dig and after several decades, still proves to be the tried and true method for me.
    Bottom line, there's no right or wrong way to do any of this and certainly no right or wrong choice (amps vs sims), hence, arguing about something like that always being futile. I mean, for many of the things you may deem problematic or inconvenient, when it comes to having and using amps, there are just as many people who think the complete opposite and wouldn't have it any other way. So again, to each their own! Peace.. DC

  • @AndrewLoukidis-jr2bp
    @AndrewLoukidis-jr2bp Před měsícem +1

    The right tools for the right job.
    Sometimes you need a rip roaring Marshall stack.
    I have and use modellers along with my 66 AC30, 66 Marshall Super Tremolo and 67 Pro Reverb.

    • @DreidMusicalX
      @DreidMusicalX Před měsícem

      Exactly! And you can mix your modelers with your real amp and really bring in some life.

    • @samnewton5959
      @samnewton5959 Před měsícem

      No one, and I mean no one, needs a rip roaring Marshall stack. They have PA's now, that allow you to mic your armp in lagre venues. so if you are that guy that just really needs a lot of saturation then you are covered. This isn't the 70's or 80's ... As far as digital, well digital sounds digital in the same way strings or a horn played on a synthesiser does not sound like an actual horn or strings. Good enough, maybe, but not for me... If you are going digital because carrying an amp is just too tough, well unless you are 70 years old, that is just pathetic...

    • @DreidMusicalX
      @DreidMusicalX Před měsícem

      @@samnewton5959 We have attenuators where you can have ANY amp you want to, and they have had PA systems for decades, and still have had large amps.

  • @starshineraiser6729
    @starshineraiser6729 Před měsícem

    I’ve had lots of high end stuff. My favorite is a standard Blues Jr IV with a Jensen q12r Alnico speaker.

  • @DreidMusicalX
    @DreidMusicalX Před měsícem +1

    Get an attenuator or do like I do and spend $80.00US on a Mooer pre amp pedal. I have the Gold 012 and run it in the effects loop. You would be amazed and how you can use that little pedal to lower your volume without losing any of the great tone of your amp to play at lower levels.
    But sorry I have been playing for 39 years and amps are just awesome. I have modelers. They just don't cut it and we all know the feel under your fingers you can feel a difference. They are very close to amps, but still I use my modeler of my TONEX which is awesome! But hot damn when putting it into the return of an amplifier. It just comes to life. There is just nothing like an amplifier and cabinet yet. Sure I an play live with a modeler, Its close, but I can tell.

  • @aminahmed2220
    @aminahmed2220 Před měsícem

    What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend ❤😊

  • @deddiev1718
    @deddiev1718 Před měsícem +1

    Well it’s true, but if you play pedals you do have to have something that takes pedals well. Not all amps do. The Iridium is pretty good, but a deluxe without the bright cap is better

  • @Batsinthebelltower
    @Batsinthebelltower Před měsícem

    Try the randall isocab to crank your amps man , monitor the audio from your pc setup

  • @marsrivers
    @marsrivers Před měsícem +1

    I kept my fender blues jr for live shows, but I record everything with Ampire.

  • @on3orafter
    @on3orafter Před měsícem

    New amp speakers take time to wear in to sound right

  • @greyjamz6626
    @greyjamz6626 Před měsícem +1

    Do you think some time you could make a video on how to correctly set up guitar amp plugins? I get increadible noise when trying to play through Ampire that came with Studio One. Im obviously doing something wrong. As for guitar amps I recently bought a little 10 watt class A amp and i was devistated at how loud the thing has to be to sound good. As a project I'm thinking of building an isolation box for it, but i primarily want to record completely silent throught vst's

    • @heychrisgreen
      @heychrisgreen  Před měsícem +2

      Will do! The noise issue can be many many different things.. the origins could be the pickups on your guitar, there’s a certain level of pickup noise that will always be present if you’re using single coils.. you can try shielding the cavity of your instruments. I was able to remove a major hum from my bass guitar with copper foil tape..
      It could also be a cable, pedal, or amp along the way.. I do not think it is primarily the software acting up but I can definitely put something together!

    • @MetalForEmmanuel
      @MetalForEmmanuel Před měsícem

      @@greyjamz6626 Sometimes it can be affected by where everything is placed. I was getting some extra hiss on my guitar before I realized I was standing too close to my amp while facing it and my pickups were "picking up" the amp.

  • @MetalForEmmanuel
    @MetalForEmmanuel Před měsícem

    I went into my local music shop expecting to buy an expensive Orange amp and they sold me on a Blackstar Debut for $250. Just what we need for making music at home and having fun.

  • @ChuckSturgeonMusic
    @ChuckSturgeonMusic Před měsícem

    Totally with you on this.

  • @KC3UVF
    @KC3UVF Před měsícem

    Unless it's a direct A/B comparison it's almost impossible to tell digital from the real thing anymore. Tech has gotten that good, and in the context of a full mix you're never going to be able to tell the difference direct A/B or otherwise. I like my amps and will always have at least one, but if I'm "recording" something 99 times out of 100 it's in the box using the Positive Grid Bias suite. I can get any amp sound (including the ones I own so no need for a mic beyond the initial capture) or guitar sound I want with a few mouse clicks.

    • @agusg.t.8950
      @agusg.t.8950 Před měsícem +1

      I own the best digital stuff Kemper Tonex…my JMI AC30 sounds 100 times better. Period.

    • @KC3UVF
      @KC3UVF Před měsícem

      @@agusg.t.8950 And you are basically doing a direct A/B when you play them back to back. Which was the point. Without a frame of reference one wonders how you would fair. Be well and do you.

    • @Nightwinflyer
      @Nightwinflyer Před měsícem

      I've found the same. Plus, digital modeling gives you a lot more clarity in the mix. With real amps and speakers, even with an ideal recording space, you have to EQ a lot in the mix.
      I end up using Amplitube 5 most of the time. My tube amps lose their tone as the tubes wear, and it is getting too costly to re-tube them. Digital, I always have my DI and can tweak as I mix or re-amp if I need to, even compare to real amps. It is a great time to be recording music for sure.

  • @WilsonJonesMusic
    @WilsonJonesMusic Před měsícem

    Hi Chris. Your eye pupils keep flicking left to right really fast. Have you thought about getting checked out?❤

  • @AndrewLoukidis-jr2bp
    @AndrewLoukidis-jr2bp Před měsícem

    Oh, and gear doesn't make it, practice does
    Pro's can make cheap gear sound great

    • @samnewton5959
      @samnewton5959 Před měsícem +1

      Yeah, pro's can make cheap gear sound good, but nonetheless they use great gear, and by and large do not use digital amps. There is this internet delusion that digital sounds like analog. Any discerning player can tell the difference. Modern players use so much overdrive that digital vs analog is a moot point. I agree... Like you eluded to, tone is the hands and heart. But if your tone of choice is mush, go digital and it will save you from having to lift anything over 5 pounds. Finally, why are these guys so desperate to convince you to go digital? Are they so insecure with their choice that they make videos to confirm their bias?

  • @jasonlarson9886
    @jasonlarson9886 Před měsícem

    What’s with all of the grumpy old farts coming in, stating how many years they have been (poorly) playing, and then dumping insults on people? They do this all the time….”Well I’ve been playing for 30 years and here’s my obstinate train of thought!” Keep it to yourself, Colonel Sanders, adults are talking gear.

  • @samnewton5959
    @samnewton5959 Před měsícem +4

    All you internet guys can use digital, but pros use tube amps. Don't think so? Watch a bunch of pro's playing live, umm, hmm, are those tube amps behind those players? Never believe these Internet players who are desperate to convince you otherwise, They simply need confirmation for their choice of digital... Yeah me too, I don't think so.

    • @edema.3418
      @edema.3418 Před měsícem +1

      Some pros play solid state amps, especially Jazz pros. But most pros play tubes for sure.

    • @dragonsquare2802
      @dragonsquare2802 Před měsícem +1

      You can’t generalize that. There is plenty YT guys that play tube amps and plenty Pros that play digital/modeler. Most of which play both. It is all just tools, that do a job. You use the tool that does the job you currently have best.

    • @stevenvandemsky7290
      @stevenvandemsky7290 Před měsícem +1

      @@dragonsquare2802Plenty pros play digital modeler? I don’t know any at all. All my heros used and still use tube amps. I‘ve seen some worship bands using in ear monitoring with modelers, but still most of them use real tube amps (sometimes in a sound proof booth).

    • @jasonlarson9886
      @jasonlarson9886 Před měsícem

      What’s your f’n problem, kid? Look, you’re not a pro. Never have been never will be, so don’t speak for them. You’re in here responding to every person with the knuckleheaded Luddite takes. You don’t like digital? Fine. Don’t buy it. But cut the shit, boy.

    • @dragonsquare2802
      @dragonsquare2802 Před měsícem

      @@stevenvandemsky7290 let’s see, Guthrie Govan plays a Fractal FM9 with Hans Zimmer, John Petrucci plays Fractal Axe FX3, Mark Knopfler uses a Kemper Profiler on tour, The Edge (U2) switched to UA FX Ruby and Woody, John Mayer used a Fractal modeler on the Sob Rock Albumand those are just the ones I can think of of the top of my head. If I thought a few min more or utilized Google I’ fond a ton more.
      It is all just tools. Modelers and profilers are great for touring. The same sound every night, way lighter than tube amps and somewhat more reliable. Tube amps in a great room with great mics can be absolutely great and are cool in a studio but, if we are honest with ourselves, most venues suck acoustically. They know that and used them accordingly.