Oh- and there are no " children " in toxic dysfunctional families. They're not a family- they're a military unit. Even if Dean were gay and was perfectly comfortable with it like those two Hunters he wouldn't know what to do with Castiel's love. Jumping on the white horse to save " the damsel/the gentleman in distress " du jour is what we're good for. It's ALL we're good for. It's our comfort zone. Sam is lucky Dean didn't hate him for at least getting that hug from their father.
John didn't raise them! John left them alone basically their entire lives and treated Dean like a weapon..Dean raised himself, he raised HIMSELF and he raised his brother. He was the parent. A baby raising a baby. You know what the worst part is? Dean was a parent without even knowing how to be a son..he shouldn't have been the one raising Sammy..but I am so thankful he did. He is Sammy's best protector.
Watch the complete show. John admits when he was wrong. He wasn't perfect. But think about this. Mary is the reason all of this happened. She made a deal with Azazel, which is why he got cursed with demon blood. Hunted behind Johns back and didn't know it til he started to research what happened. Mary lied, hid the truth. John wasn't perfect, but he tried the best he could. Hell he gave up his life for Dean. He didn't get 10 years, or even a year like dean got. He got maybe ten minutes then he was dead. He gave his life for his son. I hate people being john haters for no other reason then oh he was a bad father. well mary was the worst mother and John did the best he could.
@@vannalaws1692 It matters when at least one admits it. And john admitted it. Mary never did she came back to life and instantly ABANDONED her sons for hunting.
@@DarkMoonGeneral after season 13, we are all enlighten regarding this. It all happened for a reason. Without Mary making that deal, Sam and Dean won't exist. Without the teo brothers, there's nothing but an apocalyptic earth.
Dean's hero worship of his Dad was borderline Stockholm Syndrome. It was so annoying when Dean blamed Sam for going to Stanford, how dare a 18 year old want to go college. He told Sam that he should have been the one to make contact, after John told him to leave and never come back. John meant well and thought he was doing the right thing, but he was wrong. I'm glad Bobby made Dean see how John was in the wrong. That he should have been the one reach out to Sam.
I feel Dean. Dean blamed Sam cause they werent able to understand each other. Dean had spent all his life on raising Sam. when he was 22 he didn’t have anything except Sam or his abusive dad. And Sam had his right to leave, but it was painful for Dean to feel even more lonely after all and thats why he was upset. Dean couldn’t even go to college like Sam cause he had bad marks and wasnt able to study. he could only hunt. So the only sense of his life, Sam, was gone. Dean had nothing, and Sam had this university life for a couple of years, ofc Dean was jealous or hurt, what is more likely. Im not blaming any of them cuz i love both Dean and Sam. It is the result of John’s attitude that Dean felt only like a consumable, and it is his fault, not his sons’. They deserved sm better
It’s hard to even blame Dean. This man neglected and carted them off random places to kill monsters. Dean was a young child, charged with taking care of a baby and keeping this secret. John Winchester normalized abusive behavior and Dean was brainwashed. It also didn’t help that this probably began immediately after Mary died.
@@sonneillon777 I wish Dean had backed Sam up and went with him. He didn't have to go to college, hell he could have kept hunting, but they would have been together. I don't believe for a minute Sam didn't want Dean to leave as well. I can't imagine have heartbroken Sam was when Dean didn't support him and how heartbroken Dean was when Sam wanted to leave. Dean had never considered that he could have more in his life. The sad part is John was right in one way, they couldn't have a life the supernatural came for them but John still wrong, if he had not been such a jerk and instead of expecting blind obedience he had explained that he was proud, explained that he was trying to protect the boys they would not be so broken. He pretended that everything he did was for them and a lot of it was but John was a man crippled by grief and rage, he let it control him. For all his claims about Sam being emotional it was him that could not control his emotions. I think Mary gets off way to easy. She started all this by making a deal, what did she think was going to happen? She may not have known exactly what was going to happen but she invited a demon into her home, she had to know he wasn't going to just have tea and leave. The night the deal came do, she was sleeping not watching her children. She could have warned and prepared John at least somewhat, instead he was blindsided.
@@sonneillon777 I don't see John as an abusive father (not in the show anyway). He loved his sons and never mistreated them. Sure, he neglected them and raised them as weapons but that doesn't make him an abusive parent. Not the best father of course but that's an understandable behavior considering what's outside (the monsters) and what happened to his wife. He did all of that to protect them even is it is in his own rough and selfish way but I didn't see any signs of abusive behavior towards them. But I didn't read the books so I don't know how he is depicted in it.
He still puts so much responsibility on Dean. And even when Dean lives up to it, John tells him that he didn't Dean; Treats the car like family John; I wouldn't have given it to you if I knew you were only gonna mess it up Dean and Sam; Tries to call John John, looking at Dean; When something like this happens, you pick up the phone and you call me
1:08 even after all of the horrible abusive things John did to Sam and Dean, it’s this one that somehow stings the most to me. Specially knowing how much Dean adored that car.
@@klein2042 Yep. If Mary wasn't there later he'd have gone on about some mission they needed to do or how the boys were wasting time by having the bunker instead of being on the road ready to go at a moment's notice.
Rewatching this made me realize the parallels this had with God and Lucifer in season 11. John always did what was considered good for the greater picture. Raising Dean and Sam to be warriors. Getting them ready to face any monster they would encounter. Conditioning them so they could survive. But he never raised them as his sons, instead like weapons to be shaped. As Lucifer said to God. "Big picture? You did what you had to do. But little picture, you sucked at being a dad."
right from the beginning... the fact that sam doesn't wake up when John shoots a gun IN THE ROOM implies that that's just a normal occurence that he can sleep through it
I still don’t understand why they thought it would be good idea doing a prequel-esque thing featuring the absolute worst Winchester, who is barely redeemable.
IMO it's because the other spin offs were shut down and because JA still has pull so it was approved for him. He probably thought it could be cool to see the family history side of things... but I think too many of us just hate John. I've recorded all the episodes of The Winchesters and while I'm happy Tom Welling was cast in it...I still have yet to watch any of the episodes and it's mainly because of John's character.
I mean, John was probably in shock and traumatized after the fire. Yes, its not nice how he was to them, but I kind of feel that in the 80s the parents were mostly like that. Just tougher
He loved them in his own way, but man he put way more crap than he needed to. Dean is what 26-27 here and hunted pretty much his entire life, but no don't listen to him John. Also Sam was right to be pissed off, both of them a right to.
John was a complete monster the night Mary died the man was dead what was left was thing worse than yellow eyes. Oh yeah and people don't forget way before all this crap happened Dean was always cleaning up John's mess so, yeah John's death best and greatest proof theres a god only thing wrong is his ass being in heaven. Honestly the world should be grateful he's gone forever.
@@theopportuneson699 he destroyed Dean and sams lives and everything around him for a selfish self destructive mission that Mary wouldn’t have wanted on her family
@@ZephyrBW John knew that Azazel would always be a part of the Winchesters lives no matter what. Not to mention that with the destiny both of his sons had, John prepared them like no one else could.
I think people are really hard on John Winchester. He wasn’t a perfect dad, but he did his best given the circumstances. A parents job, ultimately, is to ensure their children can survive in the world. John was raising his children in a world of monsters. Also, you have to consider why he made the choices he did. John Winchester only started hunting to avenge his wife and protect his son who had been marked by a demon. He couldn’t just sit at home and expect everything to be ok. Yes, he left them alone a lot. And had Dean take care of Sam. But, fundamentally speaking, that is how Gen Xers were raised. Also keep in mind that Azazel was sending demons to groom his ‘special children,’ It made sense for John to keep the boys moving in order to protect them. Look at how John instructs Dean to protect Sam in the episode ‘something wicked.’. It’s as though he knows there’s something after them. Or more specifically after Sam. And it made sense for him to hunt to build a rapport with other hunters, to learn information about the demon who did this to their family, and to build up his skills to kill the bastard when he finally found him
It’s the fact he neglected them. Dean and Sam should’ve and would’ve been in foster are if this was real. There was even an episode where Dean was in a orphanage following a job and the only reason he went back was because he loves Sam. He was verbally and emotionally abusive. That’s not love. He put revenge above his kid. He was capable of showing support and love because he did it for Adam. Him hunting didn’t stop him from connecting and building bonds with Adam. Idk why he couldn’t do it for Dean and Sam
@@1tim3_JB Not in the 80s and early 90s they wouldn’t have been. This was a fairly normal way of raising your kids back then. Look up latchkey kid. A lot of latchkey kids were left with very minimal parental supervision, and often took care of their siblings.
@@Charleysmom Even if it was a common thing that doesn’t make it right. Sam grew up with the love of his brother. That’s why he was able to stand up to John and go out and experience life for himself. Because Dean taught him that he was worth it and someone loved him. But Dean grew up with no love at all. It’s why he doesn’t care about his life as an adult. Dean really doesn’t think he deserves better, a family, someone to love him. Because he doesn’t think he’s worth anything. He can’t stand the idea of being alone which is why he went back for Sam. Even with everything he does, talking care of Sam, Fighting monsters and saving people. He believes he’s not worth fighting for. He believes his life is not as important as the people around him. John did that to him. John destroyed Dean before he was 18 years old. That’s not right. Also let’s not forget the way John treated Dean and Sam as grown ups. He was verbally abusive especially to Dean. I can’t imagine how he was to alone Dean when they were hunting together.
@@Charleysmom Also John was leaving them unprotected all the time. He left Sam the one the demon was after in the protection of a 8 year old. Does he expect an 8 year old to take on Demons? There were demons everywhere and there wasn’t a demon alive who didn’t know about the yellow eyed demons plans. He did all of this for revenge for Mary not protection. He put the dead above his two only living relatives and treated them like crap.
@@1tim3_JB Dean and Sam growing up with no love and John putting revenge above everything is just false. That's an idea that the fandom pushed that's easily disproven if you bother to look past the surface level fandom version of the character. Especially John's journal throws a lot of light onto this, though it's in the show too. Even in this clipshow! Like when John tells them that he's keeping them out of the hunt to keep them safe, and Dean tells him that's bullcrap and has to convince John to join them. If John were putting revenge above his children, he would've let them join in on the hunt since the beginning. If he were some abusive ass who just wants to control his children, he wouldn't have reacted the way he did to Dean pretty openly disrespecting his orders. A lot of this is expanded on in John Winchester's Journal by Alex Irvine. Basically, his wife was killed by something supernatural and he doesn't know whether it's going to come after his children too. He starts hunting not just because he wants to avenge Mary, but because he thinks killing the thing that killed his wife might allow him to return to a normal life. He is hunting to avenge Mary, but he's also hunting because he thinks that will keep his boys safe. He is raising them to be hunters and teaching them what he knows not because he wants to control them or he's obsessed with revenge (because as said, he's explicitly keeping them out of the hunt for Yellow Eyes) but because he wants them to be able to protect themselves from what's out there. He does love his children, too and he is genuinely trying to give them the most normal life he can. He knows that there is something after Sam from a young age (Sam gets almost kidnapped several times). So he tries to hunt that down in order to protect Sam. But throughout the entire journal, he keeps on affirming his love for his boys. He tries to put them into school, tries to let them stay in places for as long as possible or leaves them with people like Bobby or Ellen. There are occasions where he tries to actually settle down and get a job and you know what happens? Sam gets kidnapped by a monster and they have to go on a run. In John's eyes, there is just danger everywhere and he is doing this to keep them safe. Throughout the journal, there are days that he notes down in his journal every year. His wedding anniversary, Mary's death date, and Sam and Dean's birthdays. He started out using January 1st as a renewal for his vow to avenge Mary, but that actually stops several years into the novel, which is pretty contradictory to him being obsessed with revenge. He constantly affirms his love for his boys, vows to protect Sam from any hunters or beings who might hurt him, he takes Dean out for his birthday, he buys Sam a computer, etc. There is love there if you bother looking for it! Is John Winchester a perfect or even good father? No! Absolutely not. But he is in no way like you described. He is not some evil abusive monster that didn't care for his kids and that's why he started hunting. He started hunting BECAUSE he cared for his kids, because he just lost his wife and thought by killing what killed her he might get some normalcy back. The whole "he wanted to avenge Mary and didn't care for his kids" is a fandom invention. It does not excuse any of his shitty behavior or the effects it had on Dean and Sam, of course! It just doesn't come from a place of malice or want for revenge or an overinflated ego. He's a dad who had to deal with a horrible situation and genuinely tried to do what he thought was best for his kids, even if that might not have been the best in the end.
Didn't realize so many people hated John. I thought he was great I loved seeing him in the show. Sure he was rough on his boys but it was coming from a good place. Greatest hunter in the world before the brothers took that title
For me, I think he is an amazing hunter, the best of his time, but I don't agree with the way he dealt with some situations, especially in the books were he forced sam and dean as kids to train until they were bleeding and crying. but alas, the tv show shows him in a much better light so who knows. in the end he just wanted to protect his family.
@@devin_so_devious yep, there are about 13 all together but I only have 3. They tell stories of cases that happen in-between episodes. {{LINK}} www.amazon.com/gp/bookseries/B00CKCKQJG
@@cheritzie9343 In order to make a competent soldier, you have to train someone until they’re crying and bleeding. For example, Batman and Robin. If Robin isn’t bone-tired, bruised, and bleeding after many of his training sessions, Batman is doing a disservice. -Though to be fair, no Robin should be out in the field until they’re at least 15 due to physical hardiness/ability. Damian possibly being the only exception due to his genetic enhancement.-
O yeah hello John how are you doing today hope you okay ❤️ be good to your son's okay ❤ you are a great person and I love the movie but it also heart braking to so please take care okay good to see you again ❤️ from the country girl lol love you always and forever my friend john
Erin I love you too ok but I'm sorry I have to be hard on you bc I have to be dad on you Erin Elizabeth and I'm ur protector I'm sorry erin ur going to jail bc of ur crimes
If people hate John this much they seriously don’t know how hard it can really get for children. They act like this character from a tv show is the end all, be all.
He is the worst. There was this a maxing fanfic about John going religious fanatic from ldd mkultrsbin Vietnam where he comes across pulp fiction books featuring a women that reminds him of Mary who did modeling a few years back. There was one about a Catholic high school with same namevshevwrnt to where sins are incouraged to indulge because it's the ultimate disrespectful to not sin Jesus died to give us the ability not n ok t give in to temptation but our natural instincts. As repression LEDs to depression and Confession errases tension. It puts the holy f in Catholic school. Dana Scully attended also? And a book called màry ur a ho. A new deal . While working the crossroads marry get picked up by a man hellskinh crumple hellskinh that the next child will belong to him but Sam has a vanishing twin sister who dies but tries to possess him. And it's a cult and johnnthinks he sea a monstera
In the span of 15 years (2005-2020) of this series, you can see how Hollywood pov changed. From season 1-5 you can tell Hollywood somehow still 'on the side' of God and fighting demons trope. From season 6-15, somehow Hollywood start from lowkey 'humanize' and softening any demons character, to openly glorified satanism and mocking anything related to God.
Emotional abuse should not be considered lightly. It’s just as bad as physical abuse and just as painful to grow up with. People that say this shit clearly have never grown up with a toxic family
Lol he abandoned them in dirty motel rooms for weeks at a time that's not a mistake that's child endangerment don't compare that to normal parent mistakes
John: I told you not to let him out of your sight. **looks at Dean with pure hatred**
Me: Sir, that is a child.
And John is high on pure rage and guilt. Please don't judge what you don't understand.
Oh- and there are no " children " in toxic dysfunctional families. They're not a family- they're a military unit. Even if Dean were gay and was perfectly comfortable with it like those two Hunters he wouldn't know what to do with Castiel's love. Jumping on the white horse to save " the damsel/the gentleman in distress " du jour is what we're good for. It's ALL we're good for. It's our comfort zone. Sam is lucky Dean didn't hate him for at least getting that hug from their father.
@@tatianalyulkin410 ma’am, this is a joke. It is a fictional TV show.
@@tatianalyulkin410 Ma'am this is a Wendy's
@@jebus42069Ma'am this is a Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie
Bobby will always be the Winchester father.
"As fate would have it, I adopted two boys and they grew up great. They grew up heroes!"
Just every John Winchester scene lol.
Lmao yeah!! 😂🤣
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Correction: Just like every John Winchester scene except for 14x13.
1:08 I hate how Dean gets sad here but after Sam looks at him he is like "whatever" when he really seems hurt
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Dean takes care of Baby better than himself. John is definitely being an ass.
Dean was more of a parent than John ever was.
Bobby was fine too.
@@dannythomas417love Bobby man. The worry he has for these two, especially when he found out dean sold his soul
John didn't raise them! John left them alone basically their entire lives and treated Dean like a weapon..Dean raised himself, he raised HIMSELF and he raised his brother. He was the parent. A baby raising a baby. You know what the worst part is? Dean was a parent without even knowing how to be a son..he shouldn't have been the one raising Sammy..but I am so thankful he did. He is Sammy's best protector.
Watch the complete show. John admits when he was wrong. He wasn't perfect. But think about this. Mary is the reason all of this happened. She made a deal with Azazel, which is why he got cursed with demon blood. Hunted behind Johns back and didn't know it til he started to research what happened. Mary lied, hid the truth. John wasn't perfect, but he tried the best he could. Hell he gave up his life for Dean. He didn't get 10 years, or even a year like dean got. He got maybe ten minutes then he was dead. He gave his life for his son. I hate people being john haters for no other reason then oh he was a bad father. well mary was the worst mother and John did the best he could.
@@DarkMoonGeneral Lol, having a bad mom next to a bad dad doesn't make the dad good.
@@vannalaws1692 It matters when at least one admits it. And john admitted it. Mary never did she came back to life and instantly ABANDONED her sons for hunting.
@@DarkMoonGeneral after season 13, we are all enlighten regarding this. It all happened for a reason. Without Mary making that deal, Sam and Dean won't exist. Without the teo brothers, there's nothing but an apocalyptic earth.
@@DarkMoonGeneral THANK YOU ! best comment yet
Dean's hero worship of his Dad was borderline Stockholm Syndrome. It was so annoying when Dean blamed Sam for going to Stanford, how dare a 18 year old want to go college. He told Sam that he should have been the one to make contact, after John told him to leave and never come back. John meant well and thought he was doing the right thing, but he was wrong. I'm glad Bobby made Dean see how John was in the wrong. That he should have been the one reach out to Sam.
I feel Dean. Dean blamed Sam cause they werent able to understand each other. Dean had spent all his life on raising Sam. when he was 22 he didn’t have anything except Sam or his abusive dad. And Sam had his right to leave, but it was painful for Dean to feel even more lonely after all and thats why he was upset. Dean couldn’t even go to college like Sam cause he had bad marks and wasnt able to study. he could only hunt. So the only sense of his life, Sam, was gone. Dean had nothing, and Sam had this university life for a couple of years, ofc Dean was jealous or hurt, what is more likely. Im not blaming any of them cuz i love both Dean and Sam. It is the result of John’s attitude that Dean felt only like a consumable, and it is his fault, not his sons’. They deserved sm better
It’s hard to even blame Dean. This man neglected and carted them off random places to kill monsters. Dean was a young child, charged with taking care of a baby and keeping this secret. John Winchester normalized abusive behavior and Dean was brainwashed. It also didn’t help that this probably began immediately after Mary died.
@@sonneillon777 I wish Dean had backed Sam up and went with him. He didn't have to go to college, hell he could have kept hunting, but they would have been together. I don't believe for a minute Sam didn't want Dean to leave as well. I can't imagine have heartbroken Sam was when Dean didn't support him and how heartbroken Dean was when Sam wanted to leave. Dean had never considered that he could have more in his life. The sad part is John was right in one way, they couldn't have a life the supernatural came for them but John still wrong, if he had not been such a jerk and instead of expecting blind obedience he had explained that he was proud, explained that he was trying to protect the boys they would not be so broken. He pretended that everything he did was for them and a lot of it was but John was a man crippled by grief and rage, he let it control him. For all his claims about Sam being emotional it was him that could not control his emotions. I think Mary gets off way to easy. She started all this by making a deal, what did she think was going to happen? She may not have known exactly what was going to happen but she invited a demon into her home, she had to know he wasn't going to just have tea and leave. The night the deal came do, she was sleeping not watching her children. She could have warned and prepared John at least somewhat, instead he was blindsided.
@@sonneillon777 I don't see John as an abusive father (not in the show anyway). He loved his sons and never mistreated them. Sure, he neglected them and raised them as weapons but that doesn't make him an abusive parent. Not the best father of course but that's an understandable behavior considering what's outside (the monsters) and what happened to his wife. He did all of that to protect them even is it is in his own rough and selfish way but I didn't see any signs of abusive behavior towards them. But I didn't read the books so I don't know how he is depicted in it.
@@balthazar949 you do know neglect is abuse right
He still puts so much responsibility on Dean. And even when Dean lives up to it, John tells him that he didn't
Dean; Treats the car like family
John; I wouldn't have given it to you if I knew you were only gonna mess it up
Dean and Sam; Tries to call John
John, looking at Dean; When something like this happens, you pick up the phone and you call me
1:08 even after all of the horrible abusive things John did to Sam and Dean, it’s this one that somehow stings the most to me. Specially knowing how much Dean adored that car.
Y’all remember the time dean “died” and Sam and John were fighting I felt bad for dean
Its scenes like that make his "heartfelt" appearance much later feel like a total lie.
Dude.. for real though. Then again, John see’s Mary with the boys and that’s probably why he was happy and felt proud of the fellas.
Pretty sure he’s showing his true colors here
@@klein2042 Yep. If Mary wasn't there later he'd have gone on about some mission they needed to do or how the boys were wasting time by having the bunker instead of being on the road ready to go at a moment's notice.
Rewatching this made me realize the parallels this had with God and Lucifer in season 11.
John always did what was considered good for the greater picture. Raising Dean and Sam to be warriors. Getting them ready to face any monster they would encounter. Conditioning them so they could survive.
But he never raised them as his sons, instead like weapons to be shaped.
As Lucifer said to God. "Big picture? You did what you had to do. But little picture, you sucked at being a dad."
“You don’t like me fine, it’s not my job to make you like me, it’s my job to raise you right”
right from the beginning... the fact that sam doesn't wake up when John shoots a gun IN THE ROOM implies that that's just a normal occurence that he can sleep through it
Because that was a male witch, what the witch was doing made Sam go comatose for a second. Not a sleeping.
I still don’t understand why they thought it would be good idea doing a prequel-esque thing featuring the absolute worst Winchester, who is barely redeemable.
IMO it's because the other spin offs were shut down and because JA still has pull so it was approved for him. He probably thought it could be cool to see the family history side of things... but I think too many of us just hate John. I've recorded all the episodes of The Winchesters and while I'm happy Tom Welling was cast in it...I still have yet to watch any of the episodes and it's mainly because of John's character.
4:54 I have to think that Dean has (almost always been there for Sam, brother issues) but finally stood up for the both of them ❤
john winchester hate club
I feel like Sam was always John's favourite and Dean knew it. Dean always wanted to be the perfect son but John didn't give a crap about him.
I'm curious ... Why do you think Sam is John's favourite ? For me neither was...
Poor John. I think he loved his sons, but he really didn't know how to raise them.
like damn john has a completely calm but powerful look on his face when he argued
Clint Eastwood shit.
ugh i hate John Winchester with a burning passion
Same here. Every time John even speaks I’m just like F##K YOU!!!!!
@@isabellafranco8798 Really he got out easy. He the little reunion was bullshit I really can't believe they just like didn't go all out on him.
Yeah, me too. I only hate Tywin Lannister with the same passion.
@@ZephyrBW oh yes 100 years being brutally tortured in hell is definitely getting off easy
@@maskedthecreator1508 it is for this monster
John was lost without Mary.
Great hunter, awful father
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I feel like I'm the only one who didn't hate his character lol maybe cuz I had rough parents but he had his good moments and he obviously loved them.
I know he loved them. But he also was terrible to them both things co exist
I mean, John was probably in shock and traumatized after the fire. Yes, its not nice how he was to them, but I kind of feel that in the 80s the parents were mostly like that. Just tougher
"lil pig lil pig let me in"
Negan in another universe 😉
He loved them in his own way, but man he put way more crap than he needed to. Dean is what 26-27 here and hunted pretty much his entire life, but no don't listen to him John.
Also Sam was right to be pissed off, both of them a right to.
John was a complete monster the night Mary died the man was dead what was left was thing worse than yellow eyes. Oh yeah and people don't forget way before all this crap happened Dean was always cleaning up John's mess so, yeah John's death best and greatest proof theres a god only thing wrong is his ass being in heaven.
Honestly the world should be grateful he's gone forever.
What did John do to you?
@@theopportuneson699 he destroyed Dean and sams lives and everything around him for a selfish self destructive mission that Mary wouldn’t have wanted on her family
@@ZephyrBW John knew that Azazel would always be a part of the Winchesters lives no matter what. Not to mention that with the destiny both of his sons had, John prepared them like no one else could.
@@theopportuneson699 by ruining them
YES
I think people are really hard on John Winchester. He wasn’t a perfect dad, but he did his best given the circumstances. A parents job, ultimately, is to ensure their children can survive in the world. John was raising his children in a world of monsters. Also, you have to consider why he made the choices he did. John Winchester only started hunting to avenge his wife and protect his son who had been marked by a demon. He couldn’t just sit at home and expect everything to be ok. Yes, he left them alone a lot. And had Dean take care of Sam. But, fundamentally speaking, that is how Gen Xers were raised. Also keep in mind that Azazel was sending demons to groom his ‘special children,’ It made sense for John to keep the boys moving in order to protect them. Look at how John instructs Dean to protect Sam in the episode ‘something wicked.’. It’s as though he knows there’s something after them. Or more specifically after Sam. And it made sense for him to hunt to build a rapport with other hunters, to learn information about the demon who did this to their family, and to build up his skills to kill the bastard when he finally found him
It’s the fact he neglected them. Dean and Sam should’ve and would’ve been in foster are if this was real. There was even an episode where Dean was in a orphanage following a job and the only reason he went back was because he loves Sam. He was verbally and emotionally abusive. That’s not love.
He put revenge above his kid. He was capable of showing support and love because he did it for Adam. Him hunting didn’t stop him from connecting and building bonds with Adam. Idk why he couldn’t do it for Dean and Sam
@@1tim3_JB Not in the 80s and early 90s they wouldn’t have been. This was a fairly normal way of raising your kids back then. Look up latchkey kid. A lot of latchkey kids were left with very minimal parental supervision, and often took care of their siblings.
@@Charleysmom Even if it was a common thing that doesn’t make it right. Sam grew up with the love of his brother. That’s why he was able to stand up to John and go out and experience life for himself. Because Dean taught him that he was worth it and someone loved him.
But Dean grew up with no love at all. It’s why he doesn’t care about his life as an adult. Dean really doesn’t think he deserves better, a family, someone to love him. Because he doesn’t think he’s worth anything. He can’t stand the idea of being alone which is why he went back for Sam. Even with everything he does, talking care of Sam, Fighting monsters and saving people. He believes he’s not worth fighting for. He believes his life is not as important as the people around him. John did that to him. John destroyed Dean before he was 18 years old. That’s not right.
Also let’s not forget the way John treated Dean and Sam as grown ups. He was verbally abusive especially to Dean. I can’t imagine how he was to alone Dean when they were hunting together.
@@Charleysmom Also John was leaving them unprotected all the time. He left Sam the one the demon was after in the protection of a 8 year old. Does he expect an 8 year old to take on Demons? There were demons everywhere and there wasn’t a demon alive who didn’t know about the yellow eyed demons plans. He did all of this for revenge for Mary not protection. He put the dead above his two only living relatives and treated them like crap.
@@1tim3_JB Dean and Sam growing up with no love and John putting revenge above everything is just false. That's an idea that the fandom pushed that's easily disproven if you bother to look past the surface level fandom version of the character. Especially John's journal throws a lot of light onto this, though it's in the show too. Even in this clipshow! Like when John tells them that he's keeping them out of the hunt to keep them safe, and Dean tells him that's bullcrap and has to convince John to join them. If John were putting revenge above his children, he would've let them join in on the hunt since the beginning. If he were some abusive ass who just wants to control his children, he wouldn't have reacted the way he did to Dean pretty openly disrespecting his orders. A lot of this is expanded on in John Winchester's Journal by Alex Irvine.
Basically, his wife was killed by something supernatural and he doesn't know whether it's going to come after his children too. He starts hunting not just because he wants to avenge Mary, but because he thinks killing the thing that killed his wife might allow him to return to a normal life. He is hunting to avenge Mary, but he's also hunting because he thinks that will keep his boys safe. He is raising them to be hunters and teaching them what he knows not because he wants to control them or he's obsessed with revenge (because as said, he's explicitly keeping them out of the hunt for Yellow Eyes) but because he wants them to be able to protect themselves from what's out there.
He does love his children, too and he is genuinely trying to give them the most normal life he can. He knows that there is something after Sam from a young age (Sam gets almost kidnapped several times). So he tries to hunt that down in order to protect Sam. But throughout the entire journal, he keeps on affirming his love for his boys. He tries to put them into school, tries to let them stay in places for as long as possible or leaves them with people like Bobby or Ellen. There are occasions where he tries to actually settle down and get a job and you know what happens? Sam gets kidnapped by a monster and they have to go on a run. In John's eyes, there is just danger everywhere and he is doing this to keep them safe.
Throughout the journal, there are days that he notes down in his journal every year. His wedding anniversary, Mary's death date, and Sam and Dean's birthdays. He started out using January 1st as a renewal for his vow to avenge Mary, but that actually stops several years into the novel, which is pretty contradictory to him being obsessed with revenge. He constantly affirms his love for his boys, vows to protect Sam from any hunters or beings who might hurt him, he takes Dean out for his birthday, he buys Sam a computer, etc. There is love there if you bother looking for it!
Is John Winchester a perfect or even good father? No! Absolutely not. But he is in no way like you described. He is not some evil abusive monster that didn't care for his kids and that's why he started hunting. He started hunting BECAUSE he cared for his kids, because he just lost his wife and thought by killing what killed her he might get some normalcy back. The whole "he wanted to avenge Mary and didn't care for his kids" is a fandom invention. It does not excuse any of his shitty behavior or the effects it had on Dean and Sam, of course! It just doesn't come from a place of malice or want for revenge or an overinflated ego. He's a dad who had to deal with a horrible situation and genuinely tried to do what he thought was best for his kids, even if that might not have been the best in the end.
Me watching this video specifically because I can't understand why he's a bad parent seeing as he's so so much better than mine:
Didn't realize so many people hated John. I thought he was great I loved seeing him in the show. Sure he was rough on his boys but it was coming from a good place. Greatest hunter in the world before the brothers took that title
For me, I think he is an amazing hunter, the best of his time, but I don't agree with the way he dealt with some situations, especially in the books were he forced sam and dean as kids to train until they were bleeding and crying. but alas, the tv show shows him in a much better light so who knows. in the end he just wanted to protect his family.
@@cheritzie9343 hold on... There's books?! How did I never know this
@@devin_so_devious yep, there are about 13 all together but I only have 3. They tell stories of cases that happen in-between episodes.
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@@cheritzie9343 you're amazing
@@cheritzie9343 In order to make a competent soldier, you have to train someone until they’re crying and bleeding. For example, Batman and Robin. If Robin isn’t bone-tired, bruised, and bleeding after many of his training sessions, Batman is doing a disservice.
-Though to be fair, no Robin should be out in the field until they’re at least 15 due to physical hardiness/ability. Damian possibly being the only exception due to his genetic enhancement.-
He literally gave up his life and go to hell for save dean .
I always feel guilty when they got hurt bc it was my fault and Zach left and never came back he's barely in the story anyway
negan
"Give me half of your shit"
He did the best he could with me and my sisters but I don't know why o can't move on without Todd and he cared more about Erin and Katie than me
Negan?!😂
O yeah hello John how are you doing today hope you okay ❤️ be good to your son's okay ❤ you are a great person and I love the movie but it also heart braking to so please take care okay good to see you again ❤️ from the country girl lol love you always and forever my friend john
Erin I love you too ok but I'm sorry I have to be hard on you bc I have to be dad on you Erin Elizabeth and I'm ur protector I'm sorry erin ur going to jail bc of ur crimes
If people hate John this much they seriously don’t know how hard it can really get for children. They act like this character from a tv show is the end all, be all.
John winchester being the best for 5 minutes.
Lol, for that you have to find 5 minutes of him being 'the best'
@@angeloliver7613 that is this video
So you think he is at his best when he is abusive and neglective? You must be a real sunshine in real life 🙄
I’d like to see you live with a father like this.. you’d probably cry like a baby💀
Bro it’s negan
We are NEGAN
Who areeeee u
John did his best. That's what family is for. You only scarifice your everything for famliy
He is the worst. There was this a maxing fanfic about John going religious fanatic from ldd mkultrsbin Vietnam where he comes across pulp fiction books featuring a women that reminds him of Mary who did modeling a few years back. There was one about a Catholic high school with same namevshevwrnt to where sins are incouraged to indulge because it's the ultimate disrespectful to not sin Jesus died to give us the ability not n ok t give in to temptation but our natural instincts. As repression LEDs to depression and Confession errases tension. It puts the holy f in Catholic school. Dana Scully attended also?
And a book called màry ur a ho. A new deal . While working the crossroads marry get picked up by a man hellskinh crumple hellskinh that the next child will belong to him but Sam has a vanishing twin sister who dies but tries to possess him. And it's a cult and johnnthinks he sea a monstera
The earlier seasons was really good they could have done some real amazing things with this show. But as it goes liberals destroy everything.
Um...how?
Yes. Liberals. Not the new producers of the show, who clearly didn't understand what made the first 5 seasons good.
In the span of 15 years (2005-2020) of this series, you can see how Hollywood pov changed. From season 1-5 you can tell Hollywood somehow still 'on the side' of God and fighting demons trope. From season 6-15, somehow Hollywood start from lowkey 'humanize' and softening any demons character, to openly glorified satanism and mocking anything related to God.
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John Winchester was awesome and miss understood. Sure he make mistakes but that all parents do.
Yeah, but most of them don't mentally (and probably physically) abuse their children
He is as misunderstood as Bill Cosby...
Emotional abuse should not be considered lightly. It’s just as bad as physical abuse and just as painful to grow up with. People that say this shit clearly have never grown up with a toxic family
Lol he abandoned them in dirty motel rooms for weeks at a time that's not a mistake that's child endangerment don't compare that to normal parent mistakes
@@wesoysonecznik5534 He also emotionally abused them
That not good I don't like because why he yell you and Sam Winchester and your Dad you guys
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