Model X towing 2250 kg/5000 lb boat+trailer up the mountains
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2017
- A rambling video of me towing a big boat up Hemsedal mountains. It was 600 m/2000 ft elevation. I was not able to provoke any power limits. Yes, I have a crack on my window. Insurance will cover 100 % of the cost.
- Auta a dopravní prostředky
That first shot looks so professional!
The futuristic space music also fits nice
Yeah, I love that tune! Please, more of this! Where can I get it? Shazam only finds some meditation session with that tune inside.
Hristo Gonev I agree. I think it would be cool if Bjorn explored the cinematography side of his channel even further. Nonetheless, Bjorn has great camera and editing skills!
Shot by DJI Mavic. It's steady as a dolly :)
Are you serious? That's from a drone? Insane.
Even after 6 years, this is one of the best videos regarding this topic. seing the gauges, the proper graph, unrivaled even today
Range before overtaking: 167km. After: 163km
Yeah, but when he descends from the hill, he'll regenerate a lot. ;)
and he's overtaking whit 2250kg too@@peterkornis5377
I would like to see how much regen you get on the way down
Ben Dixon regen = rain
regen=regeneration (Rekuperation)
Yeah because he just drove 13.6km and lost a whooping 82km range (208 down to 126) during the ascent.
Not the same trip, but gives you an idea: czcams.com/video/5T6Yoym0POw/video.html
Second. I've always found you really funny Bjorn. Long time subscriber here. Keep doing what you're doing. You make me laugh. Shiiiiiieeet.
Aww! I wanted to see you regen like a boss 😎 on the way down. Thanks for sharing Bjorn. Looks alot like Alaska.
This was shot in the beginning of May. It's way greener now in June.
Evtrekker13 to you live in Alaska?
Dude, I hate to tell you this, but.... boats typically operate in a region that scientists have come to call "sea level". You towed it to completely the wrong place. Don't be too hard on yourself though - it's a common noob mistake. Hitch it back up and try again....
You haven't traveled much have you?
There are plenty of locations where this is a normal drive even with a boat.
Mike McCreadie Dude, so what do the scientists call the level at halfway from Bergen to Oslo? I guess your scientists would be very confused by the appearance of a boat sluice.
They wouldn't be confused, JT T, but they might have a chuckle at you. Lol
Yup, In the scenario, I would probably say something appropriate chuckle worthy at your high-end scientists when they discovers Archimedes' principle also applies above sea level.
Why so angry, fella?
Really impressive overtake, Bjørn! Some serious power right there. :P
I had to lift off the throttle after a few seconds because I was driving barely legal already. If I kept going, I would have hit 120 km/h in no time ;)
80km/h with breaks or max 300kg without breaks.-
60km/h without breaks from 300-750kg (breaks on the trailer that is )
Please find a way to make a pull race with a Porsche Cayenne!
You overtook it like you stole it lol 😄😄😄
I enjoyed the video! Keep it up!
3:45 When you ask the minecraft villager what he thinks about Tesla
7:57 You made my day, Bjørn.😂
Great scenery! Thanks for the video Bjron
Wow! A good landscape of the mountain.
Always great tests and great humor 😁👌 I just got a new infrared temperature gun with a laser pointer.
My old one was quite handy at checking caliper temperatures and other ice measurements but especially for the wood stove.
I think that would be an excellent addition to some of your technology you might find it useful for your videos as well as your own knowledge 👍
Awesome scenery!
What a beautiful view huh ... thank you for the information I'm here from Brazil 🇧🇷
awesome view, very nice.
One small thing to mention is not to forget the fairly cool air at 10-17degrees Celsius and at 1000m the air is still pretty thick. So that would help a good amount with cooling.
Have to ask how much did you get range when did you go downhill?
lol it's cool how the dash is like a mirror and we can see u in the same window
Love it. Skeptics need to watch Bjorn. They think you can't tow with an E.V.YES you can! They think electric cars can't drive on the German autobahn,YES you can!
Such a beautiful environment with the snowy mountains. Driving a new technology marvel towing a super boat. I'm jealous now I think. Sigh.. Now I must get back to work and earn 700$/month. If my calculations are correct I could never afford a Tesla neither a boat nor a snowy mountain. :)
Yeah let's overtake these fossils with about 5 tons on wheels :D :D :D At this constant 120KW power drain it seems that only Tesla's cars can pull such stuff, other cars will get battery temperature problems.
Yes, but you can't drive 80 km/h uphill.
Really entertaining movie!
LOL. Very impressive Mr. Nyland. Whoever said that electric motors cannot pull they should start looking at Locomotives and heavy duty mining equipment. I cannot wait what Tesla will present as a direct competition with the F150. Great job with the video.
I don't know why anyone would think that. Electric motors have been used in heavy industry for over a century.
Great to see that, i was there last year with me rented Tesla from Christiaan
moel ehks, and moel ehs.
"ohh wait you can actury see my face der, HO HO ho YOOOoooo wassup my brother from another mother, yea let me pay attention to the road oh shiiiiee- im a newb"
Does the Model X have a lot more battery/inverter/motor cooling than the Model S for towing/racing? Would have liked to see temperature data when you stopped. Not sure if u can do that easily from the Tesla screen or apps. With my Volt it is easy with MyGreenVolt
Haha, funny, man: "drive like we stole the boat".
it accomplished what you said it out to do. great car. car of the future
your battery is depleting so fast it isn't funny
i was just watching the left kilometers dropping every some seconds... ahahahaha
Impressive, but not surprising. Trains run on electric motors. Electric motors have far more torque than internal combustion engines/transmissions, and can take much more of a beating. What is totally UNIMPRESSIVE is how fast your charge dropped in this video. Nearly 25% battery usage. It was using up "1 km" worth of charge in about 300 meters. So, good luck pulling anything long distance...
He'll gain it all back downhill.
Holy shit, it's impressive, all that power , Do you come out with the whole road trip video when you pull this boat?
Full road trip video coming :)
third ??.. at first I thought tesla had a heads up display.. took a few seconds to realise it was 2nd camera overlay.. as always beautiful scenery & nice film
Even with a very stable vehicle like the Model X, bumper (ball) hitch towing is a lot more dangerous than most people realize. If you plan on towing much I recommend looking into a product called the Pro Pride 3P hitch. It's an improved Hensley hitch which has been around for decades. The sliding hitch mechanism keeps the trailer from being able to initiate swaying and loss of steering control, dangerous phenomena that have lead to a lot of major accidents. As a bonus it also makes the trailer "follow" the tow vehicle much better so you don't need to swing so wide around tight turns. There are videos here on YT demonstrating how the hitch works.
I doubt those kind of systems are legal in the EU. They would probably requrie a bit more hefty attachment of the towbar etc than most cars here have.
I know weight distribution systems is pretty much not used here, even though it is a decent idea.
ahhhhh the torque!!
Overtaking with 2to attached, I am officially impressed! Thanks to the immense torque of the el. motors. But the range is eaten up really quick, about 1km every 2 seconds. This is fine, just interesting to mention. And correct, some of the energy is regainend when going downhill.
Yeah, I noticed that. He used up 10% of the battery in 6 km! If he could keep going uphill, he would have been out of juice in 60 km!
Of course, all the energy that goes into adding elevation is returned when going downhill. So, it's not as bad as it seems.
It was 600 m elevation:
4900 kg * 600 m * 9.81 m/s² = 28.84 MJ => 8 kWh
That's about 10 % of the available capacity in the 90 kWh pack
A fossil car would consume about 2-3 litre of fuel to gain the same elevation.
and would get nothing back as it was going downhill ;)
Actually, you could get a lot back, if you avoid using the brakes, and coast instead. This requires that the downhills aren't too steep, though.
@@espenha I'm 6 years late, but in fossil you get zero consumption at best going downhill. In EV you get negative consumption, so you gain energy back.
Scenery looks very very similar to the rocky mountains here in British Columbia
Would the fan noise be lower here than the Autobahn due to the lower ambient air temperature?
will MDX 75d have issue towing a boat like what you had in this episode? how much range will it loose?
wondering if the battery pack would submerge into the water when launching the boat. Would it be safe? It seems the ground clearance of the car is a bit low.
C Lee I think you can change the Model X's ride height on demand.
Damn... this make me want to buy more TSLA stocks :D
Does it max out the Regen going back down?
jeff powell he cant because then the Mechanical brakes on the trailer so he has to gradually regen.
I wonder how it will perform climbing jabal jais, where temperatures reach 50 C in summer.
how much energy did you got after going down downhill?
06:15 Just before overtake. Just marking this time for posting it some times.
Bjorn, why does the battery symbol alternate between green and white. Is it something to do with the regen?
D Plummer Yes. Orange is energy expenditure and green is regeneration (recovery), measured in Kilowatts.
Man, record the down hill and regen on that thing! Also wish Tesla would regen more, went down a mountain in a Model S and had to use the brakes! :(
I Liked the term you said for the ICE cars you called them FOSSIL cars? Well, at the rate that electric car tech is moving the old ICE cars will be known to as Fossil's lol :) How did you manage to get the film of the drivers gage's as you drove? Really liked also the smooth nice pan film and music at the start too? well done again.
IC was filmed by my Samsung Galaxy S7. The start scene was shot by DJI Mavic Pro.
Thank you for the info? You done a great job on this video! Seems your skills are better than ever :)
How much range do you get going 80 uphill?
is there a way to display the altitude on any of the screens?
gorgeous scenery!
Unfortunately not.
HappyHams
Hi Bjorn, I'd love that also. But not only in the videos.
I would like to see a platform where rides with electric cars could be recorded and (publicly) shared, just like bikers or runners have platforms like Strava or RunKeeper.
To have tracks on there with all kinds of data about the car like graphs of Elec. consumption, power output, speed of charging in correspondence to how much the battery. The car constructors would need to produce some software in order to make that available
It seems to me that this would typically be something Tesla would be definitely be willing to do.
It would be awesome to view interactive maps of rides of electric vehicles of any drivers wanting to share their experience in that way.
IMHO Visibility on these kind of data/numbers + charging location on and this from like ANY electric car could boost confidence with a lot of people, now mainly being scared (by the media) of range anxieaty.
How do you recharge at a super charger with a trailer?
Awesome. Hey did you get a window chip? Or is that a quashed bug
See video description.
Bjørn Nyland oops sorry. Yay for insurance
What type of trailer brakes does that have? Hydraulic or electric? If electric, do you have a way to make sure they don't come on before regen capacity is exceeded? Does Tesla have a brake controller app that acts like a normal trailer brake controller and lets you set the bias and manually override?
iPelaaja1, if the trailer brakes are hydraulic, tongue actuated, then you have no control. But if they are electric, the driver should have a way to bias them. The Tesla trailer brake controller should let you choose depending on road conditions. Even a low budget add-on brake controller gives you control over the trailer brakes.
batmann2o, I think because it's a boat trailer, they don't use electric brakes, because the brakes get submerged in salt water. In the US, most travel trailers use electric brakes because you have much better control.
I wonder what type of break controller Tesla has for trailers with electric brakes, in countries where electric brakes are commonly used.
batmann2o, mechanical surge brakes are good for some things but they are very crude in operation. With electric brakes and a brake controller have much more control. If the brakes fail on the tow vehicle, mechanical trailer brakes won't work, but with electric brakes you can stop both vehicles with the trailer brake in that situation.
For the Tesla in countries like US and Australia that use electric brakes, I see some discussion on which brake controller to install, because people don't like drilling holes in their dash, and the brake controller has to be easy to reach while driving. I can't imagine bolting a normal brake controller on a Tesla when they can make their own brake controller that's designed into the car.
Another interesting thing I just saw in the Tesla site is that the model X is rated to tow 5000 lbs with 20" wheels and only 3500 lbs with 22" wheels.
batmann2o, but anyone who has pulled a trailer with surge brakes and electric brakes will choose electric brakes every time. The US is pretty strict on safety so if surge breaks increased reliability was a bigger factor than electric brakes functionality, we would probably also require them.
Another advantage of electricity breaks is they work in reverse, but surge breaks don't, unless you are trying to back the trailer up a steep hill, then the brakes will work against you.
They do make electrically actuated hydraulic brakes, which would be good for boat trailers.
Most RV trailers in US have electric brakes, so a model X would need a brake controller. But if Norway doesn't use electric trailer brakes, Bjorn won't need the brake controller.
you might create a new meme
Norway - we use our boats in our mountains.
Mountains just super, those views what you would like to have for that tesla promo video.
I will guess why they chose 5k lbs. They are most likely confident that it can pull that weight a distance that won't get you stranded and also won't put unnecessary stress on the system or the frame. Maybe they'll update it with a higher number, or at least document conditions that warrant it, when they have enough data to prove to them what it can actually handle.
can you ski on those hills?
I would like to see the regen
That is nice.... given the narrow road and speeds between 50-80 those are interesting results.
I wonder how it would perform on a FAST mountain highway like the [Coquihalla](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Highway_5#:~:text=South%20of%20Kamloops%2C%20Highway%205,%2Fh%20(75%20mph).) in Canada.. The speed limit is 120 km/h in many places along with steep climbs, so wind drag is a big efficiency issue.
I'm a big V8 twin-turbo 48v DOHC kinda guy and this is just not bloody fair... :)
6 valves per cylinder?
"What happens in Germany stays in Germany"
So you've got a BE license? How much extra did you have to pay for that?
Of course.
nice
People must have been laughing wondering why you were going boating in the mountains
Are you sure there is no lakes up in the mountains?
You know all that snow... It melts.... Guess what it makes? Water.... and lakes.
Looks like it used about 30% battery on that 10 minute stretch of road. I'd always use a V8 with a 30 gallon tank for towing! ...or a turbocharged V6 would be suitable enough. The point is that gas goes a long distance and can be refueled instantly. While the Tesla is a great toy, it is still a toy. Trains may use electric motors, but they also have a 5000 gallon fuel tank! Also, i can't stand anyone that calls the Tesla a SUV, an SUV has to have a roof rack for a canoe or kayaks!
Trainboy1EJR So if he screwed on the racks that the car comes with and disables the full swing on the falcons, it would transubstantiate to an SUV?
+OmegaMapDesign While I would have less of a problem calling it an SUV if it had a Roof Rack, you can also put a Roof Rack on a WRX STI Hatchback, it is still a car, and the Tesla has an even more curved roof than the STI! The Tesla is certainly a Sport Vehicle, but I doubt you would want to put a file cabinet or sofa on that roof, even with a temporary roof rack. If it had a Full Permanent Roof Rack like that Toyota seen in that pull off area, then it would be an SUV, but it can only be equipped with a temporary roof rack, so it is a Sporty Non-Utility Vehicle... You're making me think too hard! They really do need a completely new classification for the Tesla...
Do it but going down to see how much braking you use compared to regen
This kind of ease will be why the Tesla Semi will dominate when it's out in number.
the trailer needs regenerative braking to :D :P
Wie viele km bist du schon mit dem tesla model x gefahren?
TK Light , sechs monaten und 75000km ! ..
Go to 8 minutes!! It so funny!! 😂
I never knew the autopilot screen had a bike sprite
watched that range drop by a km every 4-5 seconds
That's what happens when we gain kinetic energy, you know ;)
Bjørn Nyland im very eager to see if they can come up with a solid state battery that can handle intense torque like that without a huge loss. im definitely impressed with the X though.
Alex C it is about heat transfer. the batteries we use now are just inefficient. just like a car from the 2000s gets better mileage than a car from the 50s. the predictive mileage should ONLY see a drop on hills like THAT and def shouldnt be that much that fast. But our electric leaf sees drops like that on windy and cold days too. this is a problem with the battery tech we use. it is still in its infancy
Probably this is how you fried the batteries :-)
Gut
do you think a 75d could tow a boat 200km?
Not a big boat like the one Bjørn was towing. A 75D would go more like 100 km. It could be possible with a smaller boat.
Can't wait to see Tesla's transport truck in action!
Why do you drive a boat on top of a mountain?
⛵️ +🏔 doesn't make seance
Snow melts, makes water, which makes lakes. Derp.
11:00 No, it sounds like a SuperDisCharger!!
Brandon Hernandez lol
U should have shown the regen downhill. To many haters here. Omg burn so much battary 14 km. They need to see that u will get alot of that back going down hill:)
That’s cool, but 1500Wh/km? That’s pretty insane draw.
Keep in mind we gained 600 m elevation in very short time. That's a lot of potential energy stored in the car + trailer for when it goes downhill again.
Is not a overrun brake installed in the trailer? There will certainly be a lot of energy in the downhill trip converted into heat. I do not think that the ratio of the energy gained for the uphill drive will be good compared to the recuperation downhill. Björn, do you have experience with your trailers?
You say you don't understand why Tesla went with a 5000 lb limit with the towing. But you burned through 80 km of range traveling just 13.7 km. I'm betting the decision was range based over actual pulling power of the vehicle. It may also be that the car would be overwhelmed bringing more than that much weight to a stop. While the instant torque of the electric motors give this vehicle great acceleration when towing, the brakes are standard automotive brakes. (Perhaps a bit larger than a standard SUV but still nothing "special")
I don't think you understand physics. The car gained a lot of kitetic energy by going uphill. A fossil car would also burn through a lot of extra fuel while going uphill. But here's the difference. When going downhill, an EV can regenerate the energy and put it back to the battery. A fossil car can't reverse the ignition process and produce fuel when going downhill. That's one of the many reasons why EVs are superior.
I understand Physics quite well. And I also understand that a fossil car will not gain back any of the extra fuel it burned pulling that load up the mountain. Further I understand that physics will not allow the EV to gain back all of the extra energy used to get the load up the hill. In any case, both the fossil car and the EV will drain their fuel/energy. When that happens it is a 5 minute process to replenish the fuel/energy in the fossil car. However, the EV will take quite a bit longer. True a Tesla supercharger can accomplish that task in 30-45 minutes, but around here a supercharger may not be available within the reduced towing range and then the replenishment will take quite a bit longer, likely several hours. EVs are great, but the EV charging infrastructure (at least near me) still has a lot of work to get to where it is great as well.
I drive 80k km per year with my Model X. I have no problems getting around. And when I'm charging, I go to the restroom, eat, check my social media and do other stuff that I would do at home or when doing nothing else either way. As for charging infrastructure, we have tons of 50 kW DC fast chargers. They are slower than superchargers but still a 15 minute top up is enough to leap to the next supercharger. Let me enlighten you:
supercharge.info/
map.chargedrive.com/
+Bjørn Nyland Actually both of you seem to understand physics completely wrong here. :D First of all, it is potential energy what you gain, when you gain altitude. Both car types do use the potential energy gained during hill climb when going downhill. You as Norwegian know skiing? Imagine, if you take a ski lift up hill, and then ski down the hill. What are you doing in such a situation? You don't need to use any muscle power for coming downhill, and still you are gaining a lot of speed in the downhill. You are converting the potential energy gained when going uphill, to kinetic energy in the downhill. And for sure your skis don't have a battery or regenerative braking!
Same way in a gasoline car, your car will use less fuel when coming down hill and actually if you are engine braking, your fuel consumption will be 0 l / 100 km. Still your car is moving, and accelerating! Where is this energy coming from? It is the potential energy, that you stored in the altitude of the vehicle when going up hill with the car and that is when your car consumed 15 l / 100 km. Now in downhill, it consumes 0 l / 100 km and you just roll down, using the energy generated by the fuel burnt in the uphill.
So both cars can use the potential energy just the same way and even in a gasoline car, the extra fuel burnt going uphill is not lost anywhere, it is stored in the altitude of the car, and can be recovered in the downhill simply by gravity.
BUT, where electric car is better, is that normally you cannot roll down the hill at unlimited speed, you have to brake to not go over speed limit and to stay on the road. When braking, in a gasoline car, the excess energy that would cause too fast speed otherwise, will be converted to heat in losses of the engine and brakes. Some small part of this energy can be recovered to the start battery, as modern cars with smart alternators are able to do. While electric car has bigger batteries, and bigger electric motor, capable of converting more of the braking energy into electricity for charging the batteries.
So electric car is better here, but not that much better! It is only the excess energy that would go for braking that electric car can recover more. Both cars can recover the potential energy itself, naturally directly to kinetic energy, because of gravity.
So the energy storage in uphill and rolling downhill is altitude, not the battery.
Very good video otherwise. :)
Range: 207km after driving 14km range:126km well thats really bad
Szakul well u have to understand that when he goes down hill. That number will change again. Electric cars recharge down hill uknow:)
1500wh/km holy macaroni
+FuuMasta That's physics of going uphill.
You have driving license C or B?
BE
Why is there a 1 per 10 second countdown timer in the bottom left? Seems like an excessive accesory assessing electricity assets, albeit extraordinaire, astoundingly assistive except at altitudinal extravaganzas, always asinine.
Pretty cool otherwise
I would not be doing 80 miles an hour towing a trailer on a windy road like that. Unless that's 80 km per hour, which I would still stay is a little fast.
This is Norway. We use km/h.
@@bjornnyland I was about to say those speeds would be very unsafe if it was miles per hour. Do you guys get free super charging up there?
it's almost like towing another model x..... but not that aerodynamic
700 Wh/km
hahahaha man you're so funny
what happens in germany stays in germany lol
Is the X rated for this towing capacity? Must be hard on the motor. Should be no problem if it's designed for it.
yeah rated for 5000 lbs.
Just so you know, I pulled 4000 lbs with my 1.6l 1988 honda crx.
If the motor can't handle sustained full output then it's simply not designed properly.
As far as I know, in Germany, it's not allowed to tow a trailer heavier loaded than the towing car. Is this different in Norway?
It's rated for 2250 kg towing. The car weighs ~2450 kg.
Zoli1972s you are allowed to pull a trailer heavier than the car but you need the BE licence. the Touareg for example is allowed to pull a trailer that's heavier than the car if you have the licence.
@6:42 then 6:49 bwahaha.. a bit.
Born, the towing weight limit is set relative to the kerb weight of the towing vehicle.
For example it would be dangerous to tow a 3.5 ton load with a 2.2 ton Tesla. Particularly when braking at speed.
My Model X weighs 2600 kg and the cargo was 2250 kg.
Ok, fair enough (I was slightly out on the Model X weight) but the weight you can tow is always slightly lower than the towing vehicle kerb weight for safety reasons. That was my point.
I'm still very impressed with that overtaking move at 6:22. I had a big smile on my face. Nice video. Thanks.
Sorry I have to disagree here. The towing weight varies greatly depending on each countries regulations. Some 4x4 pickups (Hilux, Ranger, Navara etc in Australia can tow 3500 kg but weigh only around 2000kg.The same can be said of some larger fossil SUV's as well. A current model Range Rover (A better comparison to a model X) weighs around 2200kg but has a towing rating of 3500kg.
Fair point. Agreed! Different countries, different towing weights.
Can't argue with that! Thanks.
Fair enough. As I said, it appears different countries have different regulations. Actually in the UK it's up to 3500KG combined weight on a standard licence. Clearly other countries allow way more than this.
not sure if sarcasm or tesla fanboy
Did you follow the rules ? 46 psi , standard elevation mode ?
Towing it fine, let's see you back it into a boat landing. Clearance being the issue.
He'd just set the air suspension to very high. Shouldn't be an issue.
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MooleX LOL