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That TB change is WAAY easier than on a car. You can GET to everything! Love your videos! Learning a lot.
CRAP!!! After all these years.... I now know why my mom always yelled at me: "don't make me get my belt out!" (ED. NOTE: she was also and outboard mechanic).
Hello boys on bornagain.
I just have to tell You about my evaluation on your website.
IT is just fabulous!
I am 65 years old this day, and i have been a boater since the age of 3.
I have never hit the rock or anything and have never had an accident. Neither needed to repare a propeller.
@Born Again Boating great video! Plenty enough information for a weekend mechanic to tackle this job and at the same time, scare the heck out of someone who should take theirs to a shop so they don't really mess it up. Thank goodness both of my boats have chains.
Cool, thanks
“Remove the plastic shroud” is always your sign to drop it at the mechanic and pick up a sixer of oat soda on the way home.
or roll up your sleeves and dig into the beer and the motor lol.
Oat soda. I like that one! Cold snacks is what I like to call it.
Really like your channel, very technical and to the point. Keep up the great work!
Something so simple can cause such havoc!! Great info!! As always love the channel!!
Glad you enjoy it!
Easier then most cars but still time consuming, still not dificult to do yourself correctly, enjoyable and saves a ton of money
Every time I think about getting a boat I see a video like this and have second thoughts. I work on my car and motorcycle as much as I can. I just don’t need more engines to repair haha
now I understand the belt guard next to the crank gear for. thanks sir
That actually looks so much easier to do than on most any car.
your awesome dude! I recently purchased a Ranger bass boat it is a 2014 with a 250 Verado Pro. The engine has 30 hours on it. I went ahead and bought the 300 hr service package because I do not know what has and has not been serviced. It runs like a wild horse but just being cautious
I learn so much from you mostly to take it to a pro.
Good to know!... Suzuki 4 stroke owners breath a sigh of relief
This guy is a great mechanic 👍
ANOTHER great video- thank U 4 the education!
Excellent stuff guys; thanks so much!
That’s why I have a etec thanks Aaron and also I’m back on the water since last week new tank and reglassed the fuel tank compartment cruising nicely
OK, that's why I have a Mercury.
Wow!! I learn so much from your videos. Can you do a video on how to do Algebra and Trigonometry I never could understand them in school.
Nice video. Just put my Yamaha in the shop. I had no compression in the cylinders. First shop said engine is done. Second shop said engine was out of time. I’m getting new belt, pulleys, and another part. 3200.
Having done them on cars, this looks like a dream (especially a POS like Audis where the whole front of the car has to be removed).
I would rather pull the front off an Audi and have nice easy access than do a transverse V6 Japanese car!
@@rwd323 Or not have to deal at all with stupid timing belts, then be able to completely leave the engine alone for 200k+ miles . . . well, with some cars.
I used to be a nissan tech and have done many 3.5 timing chain shoe replacement.... Not to bad. Now i work on dodge. In training alfa romeo gullia engine runs the timing components on the same side that the engine mounts to the trans.
Or some Audis with stretched timing chains or worn guides and they sit behind the motor...
Damn. I just said the same thing!
You Guys Rock and God bless you always and forever my Friend.
AAAAAAND ONES AGAIN, thats why I LOOOVE my 250hp Yamaha smokers. No belts, no valves just, spark plugs, 2strk oil and let it riiiiiiiiip !!!!! 🤪🤪😜😜🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌
A trick I learned on Honda's is that when the belt breaks and bends valves you can replace the belt , restart the engine, get it up to temp, and then rev the piss out of it. The valve stems are small enough that they'll straighten out and seal again. Doesn't always work. But, will work about 75% of the time. Beats the heck out of pulling heads.
If this actually works it's probably both the stupidest and most genius thing i have ever heard of, I must try this someday.
@@Dymitr_Nawrocki
I was thinking the same thing.
"That is an absolutely idiot genius idea."
if it actually starts ;)
I won be surprise if this amazing channel hits 100k subs by the end of the year, man it is soooo good!!! How many Tuesday does a week have? Unfortunately only one ☝️ 😡 lol. Keep those vids coming, excellent content
That's why I love 2 Strokes!
Everyone in the automotive world is laughing at you saying that timing belt was hard to do.
Yup. Looks simple as hell compared to an Audi...
@@scottmichael3745 Or a Honda Accord.
@@mr.e7022 Yep a Hybrid V-6 Accord.
Tristian and tysons accounts are made by the same person clearly since they were both from 3 weeks ago
Ahhh more reasons why my 1981 Johnson 70 two stroke is great.
I still have and love my old non-oil injected Johnson 115, which I'll continue to run until the day I can't get parts for it.
These were the best outboards ever offered to the public. As any 2-stroke though, if it's not running correctly, don't keep running it anyway. The reason is, fuel carries the lubricant throughout the engine and it's quite common for carburetors to corrode internally. This results in starvation of lubricant.
I have an 80 Evinrude 70hp, great motor
115 Merc tower of power
I am so happy I don't own an old 2-smoke :-)
Good idea using the belt guide to hold it on the crank! It's a real pain to do this by yourself without that trick...
Awesome video! Just seeing it done makes it approachable for the home gamer.
Very informative now I know why l love my 300 verados simple to work on thanks again
Great Video!!!!! Keep'em coming!!!
More to come!
Great video. Thank you for the clear explanation.
You are welcome!
Hell, I didn’t even realize they had timing belts on them (Never had an outboard) but I will say, that’s a hell of a lot easier to do than on most cars which I’m accustomed to doing. Thanks for sharing! Love your videos.
I'd change both the tensioner and idler pulleys as well too.
Love the channel just for the Snap-On tools lol.
and there I was thinking this was hard. They made it incredibly simple.
I've run my Yammie 2001 up until now without ever changing the timing belt.
My poor fishing rig gets about 500 hours on the water every year.
I check the belt every year when I drag it ashore for its winter hibernation, but it has always looked good.
Don't know if it is a factor here, but I live close to the northern polar circle.
But now I know how to fix that too. Thanks!
Til belt gets stretch and jumps a tooth or to then your done
@@markoconnor4110
True, but I check it every year and it still looks and feel good to the touch.
@@mickemike2148 A visual inspection on the belt only reveals what you CAN see, which is the rubber coating. The cords inside the belt is what gives it the strength, but you can't visually inspect those. Is ruining a several thousand dollar powerhead truly worth ignoring a $110 timing belt? Unless you're already saving money in anticipation of the rebuild or replacement, I would say it's not.
@@MEGA_SOKO
When I service it I give it a poke with the index finger to check if it still tight.
@@mickemike2148 Good luck with that theory. :)
Hey,thanks again for this content
Glad you enjoy it!
soooo much good info, thanks bab.
Happy to help!
Another super-informative video! I'm at 950 hours on the Yamaha 300. In think I'll just sell the boat... ☺ (And, see if I can find a good, used 1970's-era 2-stroke)...
If you coat the belt in uv protection spray it will prevent the rot it works well
Thanks guys 👍
This is a good video!!
“Solid state of depression” lmao!
Great video I will stay with my old Yamaha I spent 30 years changing belts and hoses on cars this looks worse again great video
Thanks 👍
Very cool! Thank god I only have an Accessory drive belt 😁
I have a vw passat v6 from 2001, try that timing belt haha. Need to take the entire front of the car of including radiator, ac condensor, bumperbar etc to change the belt. I wish it was as easy as this one.
Makes me wonder why vw didn't use a timing chain instead, but then I remembered €'s and $'s ^^
Yup, bent valves in two of my motorcycles. Have videos about the rebuild. Ah high compression and high revs don't mix.
Much easier than swapping out a BMW twin turbo timing belt. Everything is very accessible 😉
Turn the engine by hand at least one full revolution to check for interference BEFORE you start it up.
I recommend turning it over twice and checking that the timing marks line back up again
The only twin turbo bmw engine factory is the n54, it has a timing chain. As well as every other bmw engine since like the 90s. The m30 is the only one I can think of that had a timing belt.
Do you have any advice on replacing just the cam gear on an 05 Yamaha 200 four stroke? The gear is covered in dust from what I assume is the bearing breaking down an it has a rhythmic noise at idle and low rpm’s. Goes away at high rpm’s or just motor noise is too loud to hear it. Can I access the tensioner and work it and replace the gear without removing the flywheel and everything else? Thanks!
Great info but as an ase tech why would you not replace tensioner and idler pulleys when installing a new belt? Cheap insurance to avoid catastrophe. Replace pulleys and tensioner with a timing belt swap unless its a warranty issue.
They just have you check them for play, I agree with though, I'd say to change them at the same time, at least the tensioner.
Well I think after I did the first timing belt I turned it 50 times by hand without the spark plugs in before I had the guts to start it. Nothing to be scared of just have to be precise.
Thanks for my 89 johnson 2 stroke motor.
Adding to no longer having time interval. Volkswagen group as of 2019 model year. All timing belt engines are 150k miles regardless of time.
just take two of the cycles out and you've got yourself a real outboard
A trick I was shown was to cut the TB along its length then remove one half. Fit the new belt over the sprockets and push the remainig half of the old belt off. The old belt can then be cut and removed.
While this is a neat idea, what happens if the old belt breaks after you half it lengthwise? Then you have a motor out of time because the tensioner will make the belt pull in different directions when it snaps (pressure is released from the cam pulleys, possibly pulling in opposite directions), taking your engine out of time. :( if you have to go 90% into the motor to replace it, may as well do it once the right way. Just my opinion. I would think I would be a lot more nervous taking that chance that it's the ONE day that the belt does break.
@@MEGA_SOKO Agreed! That is a risk you take. But if the old belt does break, you're no worse off than if you took it off entirely in the first place. You just proceed to install the new one as per the manual. This is just a trick that if it works, can save you time.
@@followthewhiterabbit7504 Absolutely agreed, I would not think the pulleys would move that much. If the plugs are in, the crank shouldn't move and the cams shouldn't move that much. It's the sliver of doubt that makes me fear the worst. It is a neat idea though, I would have never though of doing it. lol
@@followthewhiterabbit7504 that’s a really good little trick. Thanks for sharing!!!
I really wish the titles weren't clickbait titles because the actual videos are brilliant
Interference engine aka money pit for manufacture
So when you start the engine after replacing the belt you don't want it to blow up? I always get confused on that part. :-)
Great vid but one question i taught to run the time belt around the gears to the tensioner last cause when any slack on the belt can turn cams out of time . does that not mater cause of lines on the belt ?
Each engine is different, but thats how yamaha has it set up for this style 300, the marks on the belt and the cames makes it so when they line up, the cams will be on time:)
I hope you do this video on the 150 hp Yamaha 2005
LOL that final "solid state of depression" is exactly what my fear is when I change a timing belt on a car. Which is very rare now, would rather have the pros do it
What belt does a Evinrude 150 E-tech 1st have? I know it doesn't have a timing belt.
Haha "solid state of depression" 😂🙌
Great video! You make everything look so easy, but I know better! Could you tell us about how much you would charge “out the door” per engine, to do this job?
I'm not sure, I don't do much with any kind of billing, but I'm guessing it would be relative to the time.
Born Again Boating ok thank you!
What is a good source for Yamaha full shop manuals online? I would like a old style paper version rather than a download if possible. Specifically for a 2012 F115 TXR. Thanks. I enjoy your videos. Looking forward to another transom replacement or full hull overhaul.
As far as I know you just have to order them from Yamaha but they are costly :(
Outboard owners with timing belts: Timing belts stretch and the engine runs with less volumetric efficiency when they do. That's a fact that any truly experienced mechanic will be familiar with. After many heat-up and cool down cycles, combined with normal friction, the rubberized coating of a timing belt can crack and the underlying webbing can also become stressed and brittle and, therefore, timing belts are prone to breaking. After normal wear the teeth on a timing belt become worn and belts are prone to slip or jump. All of this can happen during normal running but it is quite common for them to break or jump: during a back fire; propeller strike; high rev condition on start-up etc. If you have an interference engine (check with the engine manufacturer for a list) a broken belt will almost certainly result in a severely damaged engine.
In some cases the bearings for the tensioner and idler pulleys that the belt runs on can become worn enough that they fail or wobble enough to allow the belt to fly off with the same unfortunate result as belt breakage.
Changing a timing belt correctly is in most cases beyond the skill set of the average mariner. A mistake during this sort of job is very common for the untrained dabbler and it can result in a ruined engine, so go ahead and have the timing belt of your outboard motor changed according to the interval recommended by the manufacturer.
They are the people who designed the engine. Do you think some guy on the internet knows more than they do?
Excellent video. With twin Verados should I get a spare accessory belt? Tensioner?
If you service regularly, you should catch it before they go. They do, don't get me wrong, but idk about having to carry around spare parts like that :) they are usually stocked at most Mercury dealers so it's not hard to get your hands on them when they go bad.
if you don't know the difference between an accessory belt and a timing belt - you shouldn't take the cowling off
or own anything that runs on fuel lol.
HA, I couldn't agree with this more.
Excellent video .. concise and comprehensive! I am better prepared now to change out a F150 4 stroke timing belt. Specially with the tensioner pulley section I believe it uses the very same one. THANK YOU!
What brand of Pilot house boat is that at the end of the video? I've been looking at the pilot house fishing boats, need something I can camp on and run a ac while I'm down in the Keys.
Steigercraft
Pretty easy, unbolt a few things, take some photos, follow some instructions and take your your time. People panic as they are removing things and worry that they can't get them back on, this is actually a pretty basic maintenance item.
Impressive 😊
Thanks
Thanks Arron. I bough my boat used. No paperwork included, so can you give me an idea where to get a service schedule for a mercury 135 verado 2006. I have tried to find it but no luck so far. Not even sure if I have an engine that could be in trouble if the belt breaks. Thanks for any help you can give. Stay safe out there. Dave 😎👍🌴
Get your serial number and go to Mercury Marine website. They will let you download a free copy of the owners manual. The service schedule is in it.
muc thanks for the information. Should have thought about that myself lol. 👌👍
So do the new 2 stokes not have a timing belt too
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forgot to mention to look for direction arrows that some belts have. they dont last long if you put them on upside down!
He said the writing on the belt should be facing upwards so it can be read and the dotted line on the belt lines up with the crank! If you still need arrows to tell you which way the belt goes after those instructions you should not be working on an engine! Also if you missed that part you still should not be working on engines, Because of the inability to pay attention to important details!
Do you have move any belts when changing the flywheels on the Yamaha 350?
Nope, just pull the bolts and change it out. Then reset the rotor record on the computer:)
I cant wait to repower my boat. I hate 2 strokes, and carbs, or more so the maintenance with carbs give me a 4 stroke anyday of the week!
we don't have an owner's manual for our 1999 Jhonson 2 stroke and there is nothing on the motor itself what do you recommend for a belt change
and also i find your videos really entertaining and informative
What hp is it? Most of those 2 stroke Johnsons don't have a belt, theres nothing to time and they all have stators ;]
@@BornAgainBoating t's a 90
I have a 2002 225 hp yamaha four stroke. Starts up runs good, runs up to 4300-4400 rpm then drops rpm if I push the throttle above. Anyone have any ideas what that could be?
Push rod diesel for the win!
I never have been able to understand why any engineer would design any engine to be an interference engine. It’s about like filling your tires with gasoline. If you have a flat there’s about a 90% chance your car goes up in flames. Maybe it’s just me but a little common since goes a long way.
thats funny a solid state of deppresion if the engine is it not in time
Question what if timing belt breaks
Solid-state of depression....good one :)
💯
Invaluable. Let's me know which motors NOT to buy. A list of motors that won't bump the valves would be nice
I concur, dump the interference design. I assume power is reduced as compression is lowered.
I agree too - such a PITA. There's got to be ways around it - domed and notched pistons etc?
@@percussion44 just add boost
@@motorv8N yes you can get around it by having either low valve lift or as you said, dished pistons. Neither of these things are good for making power though, so if you're really worried about timing belt breakage, maybe just buy a 2 stroke
Just do the maintenance, or buy an outboard with a timing chain.
WHY YOU DONt tell me what to do! But thanks for the video 😂👍
Makes me glad I still run a 2 stroke from 2000.. If it only had better economy.
Real outboards have timing chains.
Are there rebuild kits for every older engine, to make it just like this one?
What do you mean?
Can you upgrade to an oil based tensioner and the other cool improvements you mentiined like a belt with timing marks printed on it, on older engines?
Can you say evinrude etec G2? What belt, yet another reason its a better design.
Not to mention 133 amp stator, 50 amps dedicated to charging and 83 amps for engine needs, electronics etc…
Apx 100 engine parts LESS than a 4 stroke = less weight.
Direct fuel injection and separate oil injection burning the oil completely in the stratified chamber in the head, with no oil by products going into the water, translation and fact- it burns CLEANER THAN A 4 stroke..proven by marine testing standards, C.A.R.B certified and E.U certified.
N.A.S.A alloy cylinders specially honed and requiring no engine break in, 500 engine hours before requiring first dealer services.
More torque, better mpg even if by just a little in some cases, internal steering, no cables, clean rigging freeing up transom clutter.
Gear-case sealed tight with a reservoir with room for temperature expansion and has extra lube in case a leak develops. Easy to check before each outing by removing side cowling and looking at reservoirs clarity and level.
Unfortunately this great engine will be no more, due to piss poor management and events.
2 strokes of this kind are the future, too many hide the truths evinrude plainly exhibited with testing. Almost seems conspired against in many ways. Technically proven it was greener than four strokes, plus no changing oil (think waste oil-not green).
Well thought I’d elaborate in case some were confused about 2 strokes, namely an Evinrude.
If car cambelts were as easy as this, no one would pay a mechanic to do them!
Nice. Grüße aus Deutschland
Can you service an mercury 115 2016-2020
You can do it! They are easy
Two stroke Yamaha. No belts. One less thing to worry about for once!
4-stroke Mercury. No timing belt. No belts at all on my Mercury 4-stroke.
No timing belt on my Suzuki
lol, i always replace my timing belt every 500 hours on my mercury optimax 2 stroke 90 lol.
Good to know.
I make great $$$ doing jobs like this!😁