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Analysts Suggest Airbus Could Soon Launch The A220-500 In Paris
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- It’s been well-discussed but yet to be made official: The Airbus A220-500. This will be a further stretch of the A220 platform, extending beyond the A220-300. While we know models and simulations for stretched A220 variants already exist, Airbus has yet to confirm any such products will move into more serious development. Let’s look at what some analysts are expecting in the coming weeks…
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I don't think they'll spread their resources so thinly at this time - they've got to improve production of the existing variants to the current project to profitability
3-2 layout is also much more preferred for passengers also. A220 is a great plane
I prefer the symmetry of 3-3 or 2-2 over 3-2, I know it's superficial 😅
I prefer 1-2 of the ERJ ‘baby jet’ that I like to call
Yes, 3-2 makes sense for low cost carriers who charge for seat selections. Most couples would pay for that.
This Canadian is very proud of the A220 ( C Series ), as for a A220-500. Production and supply chain issues need to be corrected before a new version should be done. A new updated plane could be called A250. The A220 is a world class product.
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They have serious supply change and delays with the -100 and -300, not to mention the one-engine manufacturer issue that should be corrected first. I do not think the -500 will be announced this year, it would be a slap on the face of every company waiting for delayed -100 and -300.
This never ending story. Airbus has major problems producing enough of the -100 and -300 series.
Supply chain issues forced Airbus to postpone the unveiling
Airbus has literally said that this is not true a week ago already. Why was that video made?
Clickbait.
Airbus needs to streamline their A220 production before a 500 variant is offered. They are not making a lot of money on the A220 because of production issues and number of planes per specified time frames.
They are loosing tons of money on it
@@johniii8147 source?
Airbus has publicly said the program is't yet profitable due to high production costs.
Can Airbus build enough A220s of any length? I thought that Canadian and U. S. capacity was too low to keep up with demand already. The Canadian spokesman says they’re prioritizing ramp-up of production of current models…
As I've mentioned in other forums, the A225 is not going to happen anytime soon. I wouldn't count on it.
Airbus already said that was a rumor not true
At least make a teaser of it, even if it won't fly before 2030.
Hopefully they can get the CFM Leap onto the -500
When Airbus comes up with an additional engine option then they will launch the A220-500, but for now I cannot see them launching this when there is so much grounded 100 and 300 series because they do not have engine replacements
Airbus needs to get the A220 supply chain optimised and it also needs to be able to ramp up production before it launches another variant. It would appear that a CFM LEAP option would be a higher priority than a -500.
Airbus stepping on their own toes
By sharing costs with Bombardier (not to mention the value Airbus associated with getting the aircraft, for free) it's not an expensive aircraft for them to build.
Extremely profitable as well, and only infringes on the base models of the 320N which are the lowest selling models anyway.
This aircraft is not going to take away from the 320 LR/XLR
If airlines buy this plane over the 320, it's still airbus sales, so they win marketshare and type-certification share in customer fleets.
Every way you slice this, Airbus comes out ahead which is why they're keen on this move
Coby Explanes claimed A220 is not profiting because of supply chain and low output issue
@Annoying guy on internet the program is not profitable, yet. Because it's a brand new aircraft, and due to components shortages they can't ramp up production, produce enough, and therefore sell enough to become profitable.
Somewhere between Bombardier and Airbus must be an agreement that Bombardier gets to recover its costs on development, which were massive. Bombardier receives an accelerated share of revenue until that time, and Airbus definitely recieves less. Either way, neither company will "make money" on this plane for years, but they get to sell and steal marketshare from Boeing, Embraer, and COMAC, and that is definitely a win.
How exactly? There are 7000 (seven thousand!) A320s on back order. They can't produce them fast enough to sell.
A220 is a great parallel income generator
Pretty sure that got postponed for now !!
I predict that airbus will not release an A220-500 unless they can negotiate down the price of current suppliers and get a new engine fitted and certified. The cost of making them is too high due to Bombardier original negotiations for prices and saving money on development costs.
Rolls Royce are 50% through manufacturing an Ultrafan scaled model for the A220 and A320 series. They are already testing a 140" huge version for comparability with the GE9x. Airbus will definitely be certifying a 2nd engine for A220 in next 2 years.
They've literally said more than once they won't be launching it. Launching so soon in the decade will cannibalize A320neo orders more than it already is. They're also having a lot of trouble delivering stuff on time. They need to secure a second engine option before launching a new variant as the current engine is having significant issues.
There are just so many reasons why they wouldn't launch it. Not to mention that a larger variant would compete with the MAX, something the A320neo is already perfectly capable of doing.
I wish people would listen to them when they say perfectly reasonable, sensible things. There's no reason to speculate or read between the lines here guys. I live in the home town of the C Series, Montreal. I would love to see a larger variant but it won't happen before at least the middle of the decade.
I've also heard customers asking for extended range, so maybe they'll work on that first.
I suspect they *could* announce the 500, but I very much doubt they will. If they were going to make an A220 announcement, my money would be on an alternative engine supplier. I think the 500 will come, but it makes sense to get the supply issues on the 100 sand 300 sorted before launching.
My guess is that they might give a possible timeline for eventual development but not an unveiling.
I think this would be a good idea for Airbus…the 319/320 NEOs from what I see aren’t going very well…this way they can work on a new or different aircraft to replace the 321….
I don't see it as cannibalizing A320 series sales. For existing A320 clients, they keep proposing the same. Why would they switch? For 737 users, if not wooed by A320, then they can try selling the A220, arguably more modern than the jurassic 737. And we know Boeing is stuck with the 737 for a very long time.
Yeah, it is possible ... even if an "in person" version it is not made yet. So, using as model of marketing strategy ... a custom used into the auto-industry as well ... Airbus might present in Paris only a scale down version ... or just a mockup of the cabin (since the rest of the aircraft it is, pretty much, the same) in order to test - directly - customers's opinion ... & also ... to create expectation from the part of their long term customers ...
This aircraft is not a good move, or maybe the A320 replacement?
What’s the average effective cabin altitude for the A-220’s?
I bet Delta will buy these! They’ve been moving away from Boeing since they retired their 777’s. And it fit’s exactly what delta likes to do with their domestic flights
"analysts"...people who get paid to guess but are never held accountable when they are wrong...like weathermen.
I trust weatherman far more than those analysts who likely don't know a thing about aviation
Nothing will happen unless CFM engines are available for A220.
In the video they say the 500 will accommodate 170 passengers and the 300 holds 160. Only 10 passengers or two rows difference? Is this correct?
I think, Airbus still hold a 500 variant and prioritize the A320. My assumption, Airbus will focused on mid size market to replace old B757 with A321 XLR and maybe to create a new variant in mid size market with A322.
I think they will. There are "all A220" airlines, that need more capacity, but want to stay in the A220 family for comunality.. on the other hand, they do not get enough A320 out of the factories, so why leaving the rest to the competition, especialy the Chinese Comac, now entering the market.
Why stretching is only longitudinally,why no stretching diametrically?
This is a logical step for the a220.. i would like to see the seat cost per mile for the -500 . And its not in direct competition with either of the a320 or 737.. why? RANGE.. the a220 can operate out of smaller markets think Corning NY to houston TX or Miami Fl.
They missed the a220- 200 series
If the stretch is really only two rows or ten seats the A225 would be even slightly smaller than the MAX7 that seats up to 172, nowhere near the MAX8.
I much prefer the 3-2 seating on a single aisle plane. Remember the success of the MD-80 series?
Moderately successful at best.
Very good, every day the Max is surpassed by real modern technological and more comfortable planes!
There are 200-300 A220 currently existing and around 13.000 A3xx. The production capacities are in similar relation .
I don't think Airbus will completely switch to the A220 in the near future.
The A220 series just widens the options Airbus can offer to his customers.
In the longer future both concepts my influence the next generation of Airplanes Airbus will introduce, but there are so much other challenges and developments on the horizon, so this next generation Aircraft will look quite different to both ...
Really don’t think they will. Far too much supply chain disruption to the current fleet without introducing new models.
So, six months later, what happened?
I can't wait For the Launch of the A220-500 at Paris, A very Relative competitor to the 737 MAX 8, Since the First Airbus Series, There was No dash 500 Version, Like the Airbus A330-200, A330-300, A330-900neo versions but no A330-500, This goes well to other Airbus Models, But I look more Forward to the upcoming of an Airbus A220neo 900, if the neo flies I think they will be no competitor to beat this aircraft.
A340-500 exists tho
Airbus asking Delta how many they would like… Delta: Yes
They should add the new airbus a220-500
unlikely until they can produce the A220 at a reasonable pace and at a profit.
Exactly. The program is still a mess to be cleaned up.
@@johniii8147 are used to think Boeing’s contention of dumping was overplayed, but given the fact that the A220 has never turned a profit has convinced me otherwise.
So you believe AB will build an jet to compete with the A-320 NEO? That would transfer jobs from Europe to Canada.
Imagine A220-500LR
New competitor of the A320 family ???
What aboit a220-400 series they skipped a series
Why not calling it A219/220/221?
Airbus needs to take its time to carefully engineer this plane. Some of these "analysts" are suggesting that the A220-500 will trade more seats for shorter range. Airlines do not want the oversized "Regional Jet" they are describing. Breeze is looking very closely at range, payload and takeoff performance to access challenging airports. They are demanding a powerful, exceptionally capable transcontinental and Transatlantic mainline aircraft, essentially the A220-500 being a mini-Dreamliner with 757-performance combined into one plane.
Would be sick to get any version of the a220 with enough range for transatlantic, could open up a lot of destinations that otherwise wouldn't be served...
A220/500? Yes, and the end of the A320, but not the end of the 321
Airbus said they would not.
Can’t fly without engines. PW headaches are not going away. So…wonder what engine they will choose.
Engines won’t change I bet
I guess Airbus want to focus with the A320 family on 321 and maybe 322 versions. This is a good way to offer customers a newer A320 class design without investing in a whole new A360 family.
They also have new wings developed for A321neo. They called it "wings of tomorrow".
or this plane become the most selling plane in the future?
If they do this anytime soon they will do more harm to themselves than good. Customers stand a better chance of getting an a320 neo than a a220-500 In the long run given the fact that the a220 is still produced at a low rate and at aloss
Boeing doesn't have any aircraft type that can compete with the A220 family. The A220 family is an excellent lead in aircraft type to the A321neo, A321lr and A321xlr. With regards to the cannibalising A320neo sales, I don't see this as an issue, as Airbus has a back log of orders for the A320neo.
This isn’t a competition for Boeing. This is a competition for embraer. The MAX 7/8 and A320/19N would probably prevail in orders.
@@census3370 - It is not in competition with Embraer, as they are catering for a different market. The B717 was that closet competitor to the A220.
If Airbuas unveils the a220-500 then the A320family is dead.
ehm, no. defininetly not. Remember the A321 is alos part of that family, and for a airline that operates A321 it makes much more sense to buy A320 than A220 in terms of fleet streamlining.
Terrible Idea, it will further cannibalize a320neo family sales
Well that wouldn't be too bad as the biggest problem of the A320 currently is its own success. Some airlines order 737MAX just because the waiting time for A320 is several years now.
Wish
Airbus must try Russian engines also 😊
I prefer boeing
I prefer airbus
I prefer Boeing as well but they have been dropping the ball lately.
No clear future plans, vague, varying mentions of autonomy and hydrogen fuels, Boeing needs to make their vision and goals clear. They have been extremely cautious and wish washy ever since the 737 MAX crashes while Airbus has been pretty clear about their future goals and aspirations.
@@nikobelic4251 i like the max 7
@@simplymrklmYT the MAX 7 is good it’s just having certification issues
@@nikobelic4251 yea. I like the look of it.
😂😂😂
A220 500 Will eat a320 neo sales. So it is sensible to wait., ramp up a220 300. Get new rolls ultra fan engines ready and start offer for 2028. Other wise cash cow a320 neo will die
Customers want this but Airbus doesn't. The A220 is becoming too successful.
Airbus prefers the business stay in the A320 family because of the commonality between the A320 and A330, A350 families.
This will be a disaster. The MAX 7/8 or A320/19N families would probably prevail in orders.
The max is out-selling the a320,,,,,,,, Airbus is holding on to a deadhouse,the a320
Bye bye A320.