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Often worhipers/choir members/ministers, give the sound engineer no credit and readily insult the sound engineer because they aren't "getting their way". As an audio engineer, I see live sound as both a science and an art. Many who are not engineers believe that our job is simple and that regardless of how badly THEY behave on stage, we are supposed to just fix it as though we have absolute rule. This after a while can be grating. It's not about sound engineers being insecure, it is more about respect or lack thereof from musicians and even ministers who forget we are all on the same team, and that we are here for the same purpose. .If there is any insecurity, it is because those who have no idea as to the depth and breadth of what we do, believe it is their God-given right to insinuate that we do not know what we are doing, when in fact 90% of the time the mistakes and sometimes willful misjudgements were made on stage and NOT back at the console.I have been a live sound for worship engineer for over 25 years and while I am not Robert Scovil, I consider myself to be pretty good, although I am always learning, I can't work miracles, that is for God to do.Essentially people need to start paying attention, take responsibility for their actions and stop talking down to the sound engineer, instead realize that in order for us to achieve the best possible result we all must realize and recognize that we are all on the same team.Please understand that I'm not writing this out of anger or with a haughty attitude, I am merely speaking up for those of us who truly take our jobs seriously and realize that we are in a powerful position but need people to work with us and not against us.If you were constantly criticized and told how to do your job by people who won't leave you alone to do your job and insist based on their own pride and view of their own self-importance believe that they know how to do your job better than you do,thereby rendering you useless and inept ,while also attempting to make themselves look heroic, you would become defensive too. Anyone who is constantly made to feel like they are replaceable will naturally become defensive.If we all truly claim to believe in andserve the samw God, then LETS TRULY ATTEMPT TO EXHIBIT THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. Incase some have forgotten what they are as follows:Galatians 5:22-23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Thank you for your comments! I agree. I have been behind a sound mixer for many years, and usually get blamed for on-stage boo-boos that I have (or had) no control over. I'm also a drummer, and try to see things from both sides of the sound mixer. When I'm drumming, I try to be considerate of all the responsibilities the sound tech has to do.
AUXILIARY KEYBOARDIST ON THE CELL PHONE ..THATS A NO NO IN SERVICES TOO. jajaja. GBU guys
Sometimes it's the worst time to tell me. Had no time for a real soundcheck, am fighting to get the right settings and a person tells me to change something.
I know I am way late to the boat on this but as a church sound tech I would like to say this
after a couple of weeks off we came back to a sound desk which was completly out of wack.
people had changed things so far I had no choise but to reset.
this was not someone making small adjustements this was all channels panned left, bass completly turned down on all singers, foldback disabled, groups changed.
evan the master volume had been pushed to the limit.
I have been in other churches with multiple sound techs and we all got along, and if someonme wants a change to how they hear it I will happily accomidate but I prefer when untrained people are not in control of the desk
That has happened to me as well. I still use an analog mixer, one thing I like about a digital mixer is you can usually preset and lock all of your settings and go back to the original setup very easily.
I've seen the issue, more than once, be that someone comes around when the engineer isn't there and messes with the levels; their protectiveness is justified. If they're going to get the blame when everything is wrong, they should be the ones with the responsibility. A sound board *is* more complex than your home or car stereo, but a lot of "pew engineers" don't realize that. It can be tough to hear "you just need to..." over and over, and continue responding with grace. (Of course, we're all sinners, so all parties can likely take some of the blame when there's a contentious time.)
As a musician, all I can say is, you need to foster a positive relationship with your sound engineer. Yes, sometimes they can be a bit moody (we all can be, by the way)... However, you need to understand as a musician, that the sound engineer owns you. He/she can make you sound amazing, or they can make you sound awful. It doesn't matter how good a musician you are. You need to have the sound engineer on your team. Period. Buy them gifts. Get to know them. Befriend them. Work with them. If there's a concept they're not grasping, or a sound issue you disagree on, work with them. Be patient. THEY are in control of your sound... Not you.
Why no video about musicians attitude?? 🤣🤣🤣
I have been many years in a worship band and I can see this happening in churches. yes, its maybe a bit pride.
one of the issues is that everybody has a different ear. The bass is too loud for the congregation but is too soft for the leaders, so it can become really annoying having to deal with all of the comments they will not tell the musicians. I have done all stage instruments, vocalist, leading, but still being a sound guy is what has brought the most struggle; I can tell you guys. Thank God, I play piano now.
Haha 😂 so true
One of the sound engineers at my church is just cruel. He turns my mic way down when I'm leading a song... and I know I'm being singled out ....
I had always heard so many great things about him and I really respected him as a man of God, but after having this issue several times, I've definitely seen a side to him that is unflattering and complete turn off. He's no professional after all.
I am not engineer but i d the sound at my church but the some guys from the worship team will stop play or singing during the song some will just lip sing and it is bad for the whole church . And we the sound guys get blamed for it.what can i do?
alvin030 you can do nothing about it and you dont have to
Seriously? This situation needs to be lovingly addressed by the worship leader. If it doesn't cease immediately, these people need to be removed from the worship team. Worship is where we are to be giving God our worship, not goofing around by making the sound guy look bad.
It's been my experience, the sound guy doesn't need any help to look bad.
I have been reading the comments below and have been involved in our church from being the worship leader to being the sound guy. Once you've walked in another persons shoes you understand that person so much better. What I have found is that many, even professional musicians do not have a clue of how sound engineering really works, this does not stop them from commenting on what the sound engineer should be doing or saying that they are not happy with the sound. Imagine the sound engineer had to mention every time a musician plays the wrong note or goes a bit pitchy, does not switch on their mike or comes on stage with a guitar that has a flat battery. Also there are always way more musicians than sound engineers, so being ignored by a sound engineer happens to you 80% of the time when you're part of a 5 piece band - That is just math! Also each sound engineer has a style of mixing and being excluded from the decision making process can be quite frustrating. Team work is the only way to cross this bridge. Many musicians also lack the vocabulary to describe exactly to the sound engineer what they want. They do not know the difference between high range, mid range and low range and let alone what effects are needed to get their instruments and voices to sound professional. One should also consider the responsibility and pressure the sound engineer is under. Musicians only have to concern themselves with how their own instrument or voice sounds. The sound guy needs to take care of everyone on stage and this via a multitude of devices from cables, compressors, amplifiers, monitors, the sound desk itself etc. This sometimes with very limited time to their disposal. I have had so many musicians come to me and say that it was working just fine the previous night, what am I doing wrong, only to find that they used a different cable, their battery on their violin had gone flat, they have not muted an open channel on their stage mixer, they have plugged in their amp into an electrical outlet that has a ground loop, this after being told and showed that there are dedicated electrical sockets into which all instruments should be plugged into etc. the problem is truly mostly ignorant musicians, not engineers that have attitudes. Once engineers are seen for the important people that they are and musicians realize that the sound engineer should be treated with respect as after all they can make or break your performance - only then do you find that sound engineers usually have everyone's best interests at heart. Another thing that needs to be considered is that the sound equipment is the most expensive part of the band and is often the item most churches compromise on when it comes to quality and and if there is a compromise on just one device in the chain (Bad mic - bad cable - bad desk - bad compressor - bad monitor - bad amp - bad tops speakers) everything is ruined, you may as well have bad everything. My advice - invest in a decent system with decent peripherals and devices. Send your sound guy on a course. Yes if musicians can take lessons, so should your sound guy. Now lets talk about those band members that can't hear themselves, yes the guy that thinks he needs to have his monitor the loudest, because he plays a mean rhythm guitar on his Fender strat running through a Boss acoustic effects pedal!, you all know someone like that don't you? LOL :)
what do you do if you have not good sound engineers? I mean the band can be a very good quality players (I have seen it many times) but the mixer is not so good, so it kind of makes things sound not so good and also some intruments cannot be heard at all (like guitar). What can be done if this happens? Talk to pastor? It seems to me that mixer is a bottle neck many times: there are good players but the the mixer makes it sound not-so good
Pray that God would send you the right person for the job. Good sound engineers are hard to find. A consultant can help you set up a good system. Sometimes the PA itself is the problem.
Do a practice with the sound person. Get in bare hands with him if anything else.
@@michaelrobertson2405 That is so true. I worked for a sound system installation company for a few years, (mostly for churches), and there were many times their existing system was set up completely wrong (sometimes not at all). Most everything back then was analog, and many times, their EQ would be turned off, or bypassed.
How to say something but not really say anything.
One mistake is to assume the sound engineer is always wrong. The problem could be both pride and ignorance.
For example. a sound engineer rarely understands the perspective of a singer or musician and why the sound on the
stage is important to him. A musician makes a good engineer because they have been on both sides on the fence.
It is also presumptuous to think the worship band are always right. The sound engineer has to think of how the sound is projecting to the audience.
Don't touch my board. Period. I've put a lot of work into setting up the mix that I have and you probably have absolutely no idea what you are doing when you twiddle a knob. If you want something changed, ask me to change it and preferably put it in musical terms. Unless you yourself happen to be a sound engineer, telling me to boost 3k by 10dB on your guitar is probably going to have my "bad attitude" come out (as I'll get blamed for the bleeding ears). If you are a guest engineer, I'll get a basic set up for you, then let you do your thing. I personally don't have a problem with that. I am going to assume that you know what you are doing. I'll stand by in case you have questions or need help though (and make sure you don't fry the church's speakers). On the psychological aspect: I think most people who end up doing the sound at church are intellectuals who have been rejected a lot. They find something that they are good at and it becomes what makes them valuable. This can lead to feeling threatened when a guest group comes in and they have their own engineer.
Sorry , I think nobody like their animes control them what to worsh 🙏