How to Mill Grains with the KitchenAid Grain Mill
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2012
- Chef and Blue Hill Culinary Director, Adam Kaye, explains the importance of freshly milled grains and demonstrates how milling can easily be done at home with the KitchenAid Stand Mixer Grain Mill Attachment.
The product featured in this video can be found at Williams-Sonoma: www.williams-sonoma.com/produc... - Jak na to + styl
I've had this attachment for several years now, and I've probably run at least 100 lbs of various grains, pulses and corn through it (mostly heirloom wheats), and it has some significant shortcomings.
First and foremost, the user manual is a case study in under informativeness and gross omissions - it tells you virtually nothing about:
÷ The various grind settings, particle size, and what products they roughly correspond to, and what those products are best suited for.
÷ What a "progressive grind" is, why it's done, and how to do it. For example, if you just dump a handful of dried chickpeas in (the hardest pulse there is) and try fine grind it in a single pass, and if your machine is an older model with under 500w, it could DESTROY your motor, depending on how fast it was going and how long it take you to realize bad things are in progress. Ditto for trying to grind popcorn with mixers of 350w or less.
÷ The unit is quite mediocre in terms of how fine it cam grind, AND worse still, It fails to tell you that you need to sieve the final results (to separate any finer flour from the grit size corresponding to the setting you select), and it tells you nothing whatsoever about what grind settings roughly correspond to various particle size mesh ratings. Without sieving, any attempt to replicate, or even get remotely close to, say all purpose flour, will fail miserably, because even on setting 12/12, the best the attachment can manage texturally resembles a 50:50 mix of fine grit cornmeal and a semi-fine flour (ex: maida). Even with a staged progressive grind, I'm only able to get at most a little under 2/3rds of my grist (by weight) through a 40 mesh sieve after setting 12/12, which is nowhere near the talc like texture of commercial bolted flour, which is often mesh 100+. That grit must be removed if you want anything resembling a soft tender open crumb in bread, and if you don't the result is a closed gritty crumb closer to that of a whole wheat bran muffin.
The machine works fine at grinding anything up to say a medium fine to fine cornmeal or semolina grit, as long as your sieve it, but for anyone serious about finer quality artisan bread like sourdough, you'd be better off looking for something able to grind finer. I know I am.
I gave it a B- in my Amazon review, and felt generous doing so.
Your 2nd point, he literally tells you, at least when it comes to corn because it's a larger size, to run it through a coarser setting then running it through again. So, I'm no mathematician but I'd venture a guess that dried chick peas are a larger berry hence maybe grinding it at the coarsest setting then running it through at a less coarse then finally a fine setting. But bully for you believing you're super important that people will do whatever you say because you're an "expert". And this video is by Williams Sonoma with an actual chef so I think I'll take his recommendation over yours. Now go get your Yelper special.
@@Rockhound6165 Nowhere did I use the word expert, nor was I trying to issue orders anyone. I was just sharing my own experience with the Kitchenaid GMA attachment, which happens to be fairly extensive. My comments were mostly about my own opinions regarding the GMA and its anemic manual, rather the video.
In any case, trying to cast someome as an opinion bully simply because they have extensive experience with (and opinions about) something that you might not strikes me more than a little ungenerous. You should try to cut people who take the time to try to share their experience a little slack, and maybe even ask questions or (heaven forbid) thank/encourage them, instead of trying to shut them up. The opportunity to learn stuff is supposed to be exciting and gratifying, not cause for resentment and/or insecurity.
@@RovingPunster Thanks for the info. It's always nice to hear from someone who has actually used the equipment for a period of time. I don't believe I would have ever expected it to get a really fine grind. I'm more interested in how coarse it will go. I'm thinking of couscous and hulling buckwheat. BTW: I think you should just ignore assholes. It makes life easier.
@@nonyadamnbusiness9887 The coarsest setting, from memory, is a bit coarser than coarse cracked bulgar wheat. HOWEVER, that is an oversimplification, because when a wheat berry shatters in a mill, you get a whole spectrum of particle sizes as debris ... the grind setting really just determines the maximum size particulate that can drop through without getting reground smaller. In contrast, if you buy a package of coarse bulgar, it has fairly uniform particle size because all the smaller particles and flour were already sieved out at the mill for other products in a process known as Bolting or Boltering. If you want that uniformity, you have to do that boltering manually by sieve your coarse grind with a coarse sieve, and then reeerving the finer grist for other use and additional grinding. Again, the manual tells you NONE of this.
As for trolls ... Yes, ignoring them is usually best, because they thrive on attention, and dishing abuse is their way of trying to medicate their pathos and mediocrity. Sometimes however, it becomes a matter of public service to bend them over knee and spank some manners into them. Think of it as a type of performance art for the gratification of onlookers. 😇
In medieval times, they had things like stocks, or a pillory, in a public square ... in china, they had a tradition of public ostracism.
The bottom line is that putting trolls in their place is a time honored practice the world over. Some people are good at it, many are not.
Ah I knew he looked/sounded familiar! I met Adam when I did an internship with blue hill when I was younger. Very nice guy.
Thanks for the demonstration. I’ll definitely get it for my mother.
This year we grew Einkorn, Emmer, Abenaki Flint Corn and an heirloom wheat. The UPS man just dropped off our mill! Can't wait to get started!!!!
How did it go?
Yeah, how did it go?
Thanks so much! I know this might sound silly, but I just heard about doing this! I listened to a couple of audio cd's from bread beckers and I'm most definitely going to start doing this! Thanks again!!!
- Aja
VitaMix also has a grain bowl which does an excellent job. I have one and love it. The disadvantage would be that you determine fineness by watching, but I've not found that to be an issue.
And the products really do taste incredibly better - no comparison.
I watched this and was no wiser as to whether this had steel or carborundum plates. Steel plates are generally fairly poor. What is the output per minute? (some are painfully slow). And, most importantly the temperature of the flour after milling. Some mills overheat the flour damaging it.
The milling demo had a quite coarse setting which mill more quickly, but the flour would be too coarse for bread or biscuits. Even on a coarse setting the output was fairly low.
A strip down to show the build quality would be good.
So many words in this video and a dearth of what really matters in choosing a mill.
Thank you so much
Speed setting please. Thank you. Great video.
Thanks for the video!
I adore Williams Sonoma. Had no idea, they were on you-tube.
So, Adam..I will say, the wheat didn't look like a powder. I think maybe the grinder moves too slow, to make fine powder?
There are electric ones, that make very fine flour.
I have a very old Hobart/Kitchen-Aid Grain Mill. It doesn't get that milled of flour. The bread is too heavy to rise. Great for wheat pancakes, and corn mcookies.
Adam..would you suggest using that mill, for bread flour?
Thanks!
What is the best way to clean this attachment?
Where do you buy different types of grains?
I know it says is for dry grain, do u think it would be ok for wets? Thx
Can we grind spices also? Like black pepper, Dry Coriander , Cumin etc?
How much does the power hub cost. Got a used attachment
Can use with wet mill grain too?
does it work as a flaker as well?
Can I use this attachment to grind dehydrated beetroots?
Excellent! Thank you for this video...
Can I use to powder dehydrated beetroots?
Does it grind 00? Double zero?
I have one. a couple hours later, you're good to go.
Good information here.
Question, would that Grain Mill grind coffee beans just like an coffee grinder?
Thanks
Trent Auld
Are you absolutely sure? The instructions for this thing say only low moisture grains, which implies no coffee.
Absolutely do not try to grind coffee...it's too oil, this is meant for very dry, low moisture, non oily product.
The oil in the beans will congeal and stick.
I originally got one of these for just that reason, it's built like a coffee-grinder inside, and it seemed cheap and sturdy. I think it's possible but makes a mess! As others here have remarked there's some oil in coffee, and there's a tendency to make something like peanut butter, and also a tendency for grinds to go all over the place. I don't think it's impossible but you don't want a dark roast, and you want a big bowl to catch the grinds.
Hi there, is it possible to grind Linseed (lino or linaza seeds) with this adapter?
no, es demasiado graso
Hi! Someone know how much weight it?
Does anyone know if a mill grinder will grind mesquite beans? There are many mill grinders out there besides this one.
As long as they don't contain moisture or oil and can fit through the grate.
these days with so much emphasis placed on germs, with the pandemic, it makes sense to stay away from the germ as much as we can.
can I achieve the same fineness as flour bought from supermarket with such adapter?
Not quite. But that is not what your looking for in whole grain flour anyway.
I think flour was "bolted" originally, you might try doing what you can with the grinder, and then sifting the result? It might take a different kind of machine to turn the whole grain into dust, it might not be possible, unless you take out the oily wheat-germ first.
I need something to grind nixtamalized (thus moist) corn kernels. If this cannot do it please design something that can! Grinding by hand means too much sweat is ending up in my tortillas
Maybe an industrial coffee grinder with size settings meant to endure the oil?
Einkorn wheat makes the best flavored flat bread
Kitchen aide needs to add a sleeve or extend the opening down to prevent having to stand there and hold a bowl.
What I noticed is the potential for items or hair to get caught up in the shaft.
what i do for the meat grinder attachment is prop up my bowl ontop of a container or another bowl, something stable. i've used a wet rung towel underneath things to keep them from moving.
So this wouldn’t work for peanuts? Or coffee?
Where can you find bulk corn like that?
If you're bold, you can get it at Tractor Supply, lol
I bought a Uni-Ark with stone burrs, but I used it so much I injured my shoulder joint! So then I motorized it. If I was going to do it again, I would definitely get a Mil-Rite of a Mil-Right convertable and add my own motor.
Can I mill chickpeas in the kitchen aid
please show how to grind grits please. no one ever shows the course function.
You'll need some dry hominy to grind, that's not so common. I see it in Latin markets sometimes.
I came here to check this product out but my vitamix does A much better work in grinding flour than this. It looks coarse at best. (I have Kitchen Aid Artisan Mixer and Vitamix Pro 750)..Too bad *because it's one really sexy good looking attachment* to be using (and filming in my case).
I did as well. I love my VitaMix grain bowl but would like to try this as well. My flour was fine, but then I controlled that by how long I let it "grind."
Will the grind wet rice? Or socked beans?
Dry, low fat or low oil grains only.
Has anyone used the Kitchen Aid grain mill to crack Freekeh?
so how much wheat berries do i need for 1 cup of flour?
1 cup
What i have seen the flour is not very fine....could he do better?
Can you share cookie recipe
can you grind garbanzo beans to make chickpea flour?
I also want to know this..
I think the grate at the top filters the size of grain allowed in. If it fits through the grate with no issues, use the coursest setting and then reprocess cracked product on a finer setting.
Can I use this to crack corn for my chickens??
That would be chunks, not flour.
I tried grinding Jasmin rice and it did not go well. 😅
How about coffee or cocua
Ty sir
Would this work for oily seeds like poppy seeds
No! Use a coffee grinder for oily seeds.
@@jennprescott2757 what about kava root?
Which Kitcheaid mixer do you own? I want to buy that one!
+Allison White thats the six quart professional 600, I have the same one, they are becoming more common these days
Judging by the silver speed knob and the black knob on the end on the lift lever, I'd say this is the Kitchenaid 6500. Tip on telling the bowl lift models apart: the 600 has black speed and lift knobs, the 6500 (6 qt) has a silver speed knob and then black on the lever, and the Pro Line (7 qt) has silver on both the speed knob and the lift lever. The 6500 comes with a glass bowl, but that bowl also fits the Pro Line one (which I can verify, as I bought one for mine). The 600 is said to be good, but noisy, but the 6500 has more power, and the Pro Line has even more, with both being more quiet than the 600 (my Pro Line is definitely pretty quiet!).
Forgot to add, there are others similar to the Pro Line (DC motor and same horsepower), but with orange or red cords. Those would be the commercial versions.
How about almond?
where does one buy grains?
+Sam Sung Hi Sam, the Whole Grains Council has a number of mail order recommendations, which you can see here: bit.ly/21zC0AE - hope that helps!
+Sam Sung There is also bobsredmill.com
thanks
amazon.com, wal mart
whole foods
Is that mill capable of making powdered organic cane Sugar?
Can you polish brown rice this way?
Hi, I want to know if I can put fresh corn there. (raw corn)
no, it must be dried
can it grain fresh corn
Not unless you want a mess. :-)
+Mildred Moreno What a genius question!
i suppose i could use it to grind black pepper huh
That looks more a like a Cereal than pastry flour.
Id imagine, you'd want to sift it for things like that. Probably good coarseness for pasta and things tho.
How about roasted coffee beans?
The grain mill is designed specifically to work with grains. If you're interested in a coffee grinder, we have lots of those, too: bit.ly/28PIQ4S
Too oily
It looks like a mess. Any better way to use the mill on the KitchenAid?
@Audioles Going to sew a linen bag
Gordan ramsey over here, grinding grains for his thousand dollar loaf of bread.
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That sure doesn't look 'fine' to me... Sorry if I don't find 'grittiness' to be a desirable trait in flour 🙄... How about testing it to actually make a decent amount of flour that you would typically to make bread, like a pound or two?!
Will this grind human bones?
I think if you have a lot of child-sized skeletons lying around, this would do the trick. Anything bigger and you are going to have to go industrial-kitchen grade.
mellotron try a commercial Hobart. but don't take my word for it send for their professional booklet
🤔🤔 suspicious question?
This made me LOL
Can u do white flower
It did not look fine enough to me.
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I own a Retsel flour mill. Expensive, but they last a lifetime. I buy wheat in bulk, organic, for 50¢ a pound.
Reverend Al may I ask where you buy your wheat? Thank you
Reverend Al thank you, I needed such a suggestion. I’m grateful 🙏
where do you get 50 cent a pound wheat
First of all, there's no organic grain left anywhere in the world. Do some research on last organic grain. A free tip, because someone grows either grains, vegetables or fruit in their backyard in the best soil, it does not translate that it's an organic produce. Secondly, one of the best mills would be the Country Living by far.
You can see that emmer turned into meal, rather than flour. That's what is wrong with those attachments.
doesnt seem like this attatchment would be capable of propperly grinding rice flour its just not nearly fine enough.
must be nice to not live paycheck to paycheck.
zombieseezombiedo it is, but we work harder so we dont have to live paycheck to paycheck.
zombieseezombiedo it is..choices and circumstances..dictate this.
Holy crap, you had better be careful that you don't get your hand or your hair in the way of the mixer arm.
Looks messy af
It really bothers me that he's using this little bowl and holding it there and getting flour everywhere. Get a bigger bowl!
This is ridiculous. Using a stand mixer attachment to mill grains.