JZ you must be new to football but it’s a team game. Rodgers threw a game winning touchdown that bounced off the receivers hand for a game winning interception. That’s why wentz should think he’s better than a guy who carried his team to the nfc title game and wentz struggled just to make the playoffs
As a member of Honoured First Legion, and one of the sons of the Lion, I must disagree with your jibe, Lord of the Imperium, if you are talking about Dan Orlovsky. He gave clear reasons as to why Carson Wentz has been on aggregate better than Aaron in the last three seasons: - More points per game when they started - Better QBR - Better on Third Down - More points per drive when they are leading the team Max and Stephen A counter with these points: - The Aaron Rodgers was injured for most of 2017 - That he has a greater QB to interception ratio - And that the Eagles were generally facing worse teams than the Packers. The first excuse is countered in that Dan gave a per game comparison of Rodgers and Carson during the Regular Season in the last three seasons. Carson comes out on top. - The second point is countered with Carson Wentz having a better QBR than Rodgers, regardless of Rodgers's precious TD/INT ratio. - The third point is partially countered by the fact that the Eagles have more playoff wins than the Packers in the last three seasons, which shows that the Eagles have been a better team than the Packers over that stretch. Carson Wentz played an important role in getting them there.
@@musafawundu6718 How many Playoff games has Wentzs won in the past three years? And only someone with a limited understanding of football, would downplay the TD to Int ratio. Its one of the most important stats in the game. Roger's has also thrown a lot more than Wentz in those three years as well(game manager) so Dan's cherry picked stats hold little water in my opinion sir.
@@dropkicckmurphy99 Wentz was injured in two of those three seasons before the playoffs. Rodgers had a losing season in 2018, despite playing all games that season. You say that Dan cherry picked his stats, but he gave four of them at least decent ones. Wentz had 33 touchdowns and 7 interceptions with a passer rating of 101.9 in 2017 in 13 games played. Yes, Aaron has a EXTREME TD to INT ratio. But Wentz over the same stretch also has a very good one of not less than 3:1. On aggregate he also has better QBR and passer ratings that Rodgers has during the three seasons in question. Here are Wentz TD/INT and Passer Ratings for 2017, 2018, and 2019 respectively, having played 13, 11, and 16 games in those seasons. 2017: 33/7, 101.9 2018: 21/7, 102.2 2019: 27/7, 93.1 For Rodgers, the stats for 7, 16, and 16 games played are: 2017: 16/6, 97.2 2018: 25/2, 97.6 2019: 26/4, 95.4 Those who say that Rodgers would have an excellent season had he stayed healthy, should also then accept that Wentz would most probably have been the 2017 MVP had he played 13 games and he probably would have led the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory in that season too... The same cannot be said of Rodgers during the three season stretch. Whatever the case he was better than Rodgers was in 2017 and 2018. Rodgers and Wentz played a combined 7+16 (23) and 13+11 (27) games. Rodgers was 4-3 and 6-9-1 in those two seasons, while Wentz was 11-2 and 5-6 in those seasons. If one is asking about wins of a QB during the post season, then one should also ask of wins by a QB during the regular season. Wentz went 16-8, while Rodgers went 10-12-1. In 2019, they Wentz went 9-7 and Rodgers 13-3. That makes it Wentz 25-15 and Rodgers 23-15-1. With the playoff wins Rodgers goes to 25-15-1. Wentz has a significantly more regular season touchdowns per game in that stretch as compared to Rodgers at 81/40 to 67/39. He has a better win ratio per total games played. And he has an aggregate better passer rating and QBR. Don't give me that he played in a weak or the worst division in Football in those two seasons. The 3rd placed team, the Redskins, in each of those seasons, had 7 wins. Not good, but not BAD either. The only things that Rodgers has in Wentz in his TD to INT ratio - which Wentz with an aggregate better QBR and PASSER RATINGS - and playoff wins. But then again, Rodgers did not have an MVP caliber season in any of the three. With Dan's points and my analysis above, it is not ridiculous to say or to agree with him than Wentz was better and has been better than Rodgers over the last three seasons. At the very least one must agree that it is splitting hairs. It is certainly not an unreasonable argument to make.
@@musafawundu6718 you write all that "hogwash" and still didn't answer my question. Simple question really, how many playoff games did Wentz win in the past three years? ZERO. Wentz is a good young QB No question. But Aaron Roger's is a proven, established, MVP in the NFL. Let's not be silly Musa.
Did you watch last season? Rogers was nothing but a game manager whilst Wentz took a practice squad to the playoffs. Also beat Rogers at home, just saying
@@idohearthatersdgk True, butvas a Eagles fan this question is hard to answer. But Rodgers is one of the best in the league and all time in terms of individual value, but Wentz means a lot to the team too. But Aaron has a greater body of work so its hard to judge.
Garrett well first of you calling him Rogers is already a sign of lack of knowledge but I’ll let it pass. Rodgers was forced to take a lesser role last season bc of the lack of receiving talent aside from Devante Adams. And when he had to make the big time throws, he did so.
Alright let’s see. Last year Jameis Winston had a higher Qbr than Rodgers (53.7 to 50.4), higher points per game (28.6 to 23.6), a higher 3rd down conversion % (41.47 to 37.61), and higher points per play (.422 to .373)... looks like the only thing Rodgers was better at was not turning over the ball. You can say this all... but no one, in their right mind, thinks Winston is better than Rodgers... so stop Dan.
Despite the constant turnovers, Tampa was like a Top 5 offense. CONTEXT matters a lot, winston had a better supporting cast and arguably a better coach.
Yup and they both missed the playoffs. Winston is trash, but Aaron rodgers ain't as good as everyone likes to think. His accomplishments dont match his statistics. He has a worst playoff record than joe flacco but he is always in the GOAT conversation?
I came back to this video almost a year after it came out when Aaron Rodgers just won MVP and Wentz loses his spot on the Eagles and got traded to the colts
possible scenarios 1) Max and will don't like each other, and max probably doesn't want to do segment with will 2) Producers want will to take certain position in certain topics, but will is reluctant to do that. 3) Espn is pushing for a certain narrative, but will won't accept it. I could be wrong, but imo these three scenarios i listed above might the reason why Will isn't on the set that often.
NoName and what did Rodgers have besides Adams? Wentz still had Ertz so he had at least one legit guy to throw to just like Rodgers, difference is Rodgers took his team to the NFC championship game with just as few options in the receiving game as Wentz had
Hellmouth024 when they played head to head the Carson wentz ate Rodgers lunch money just stop it. Our whole secondary was injured that game and we still won. And to even compare our weapons to the packers weapons is absolutely ridiculous you guys have Arron Jones and actually reliable recievers that arod was familiar with. Receiving weapons for Carson are considerably worse so stop that and very new. Arron Rodgers is declining and Carson is better
He is comparing them over the last three seasons and Wentz has been better, and not an overall career assessment. Here is a breakdown of the analysis: Dan gave clear reasons as to why Carson Wentz has been on aggregate better than Aaron in the last three seasons: - More points per game when they started - Better QBR - Better on Third Down - More points per drive when they are leading the team Max and Stephen A counter with these points: - The Aaron Rodgers was injured for most of 2017 - That he has a greater QB to interception ratio - And that the Eagles were generally facing worse teams than the Packers. The first excuse is countered in that Dan gave a per game comparison of Rodgers and Carson during the Regular Season in the last three seasons. Carson comes out on top. - The second point is countered with Carson Wentz having a better QBR than Rodgers, regardless of Rodgers's precious TD/INT ratio. - The third point is partially countered by the fact that the Eagles have more playoff wins than the Packers in the last three seasons, which shows that the Eagles have been a better team than the Packers over that stretch. Carson Wentz played an important role in getting them there.
I am only saying who is Dan Orlovsky to judge Wentz, Prescott and Rogers??? He was a terrible QB, 3-12 as a starter for the Lions... it would be different if Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman had an opinion on this subject.. someone who at least had a career... Rogers has had a down few years but you have to admit, GB has done nothing to help him either, no name WRS, barely a running game and he still produces year in and year out..Just over all ability at the QB position, Wentz or Prescott are not in his league.
@@finleyjeanbatiste5197 put wentz on the packers and they are the same if not better and probably put up a better chance against the 9ers considering the eagles beat the packers this past season and the eagles are far worse
It’s amazing when wentz doesn’t have a good defense or receiving core its wentz fault but when so call Rodgers didn’t have a good defense or claim he had bad receivers it’s everyone else including the head coach fault and not Rodgers
Love how when it's evaluating Wentz everything is a excuse but when Stephen A is defending Rodgers he starts his argument by making 5 excuses. Aight'....
@@Mir2Nastyy he doing terrible wym, but he started off in a terrible situation losing his top 3 receivers and lineman smh he can never get a break, but no excuses he suck right now and pederson need to be fired
@@PhillyWave93 “he lost his top 3 receivers” Didn’t Rodgers score 4 TDs vs Atlanta with his WR1 and WR2 Adams and Lazard both not playing?! Isn’t Rodgers 6 0 in his last 6 games without Danvate?! Losing WRs ain’t enough of an excise for elite QBs (Mahomes won in 2019 when hill was injured Brees won when Thomas as injured etc...)
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 Oh trust me if he was Shannon Sharpe, it would've been said. The same way he put Orlando Scandrick on the spot that one time.
Max forgot that Foles looked like Dogshit in 2018-19 at the beginning of the season. Didn't heat up until the end. Not surprising though cause he's a Giants fan and a hater.
I know Rodgers was better but Dan killed both of them in that arguments all SAS and Max did was state opinions and ramble Dan did a great job of giving numbers along with context.
Yeah that's it though. Outside of Adams it was all undrafteds and the ancient Jimmy Graham. As a packers fan who watched every game I can assure you the packers receiving core was painful to watch lol.
Remember: Dan's wife is an eagles fan from philly. So, that is why he makes these arguments. Pleasing the wife. A happy wife is a happy life, I heard lol! Anyway, fly eagles fly.
If Rodgers wouldn’t of gotten hurt in 2017, he would’ve definitely been an MVP candidate. It seems like the media forgets that he missed 9 games that year.
Jack Christensen which speaks to how important those injuries were. If Jackson, Jeffery and Acholor were healthy, with all you mentioned, they’re an 12 win all club. Also, Seattle and Carolina won their division with 7 wins, so those were by far the worst divisions
@@kdubbss0583 Shhhhh nobody wants to hear that I wonder what Aaron would have done without his #1,2 and 3 starting wrs not just no names how about the last 5 games including the playoffs with 4th 5th and practice squad wrs talk about it and there's no doubt in my mind if Carson doesn't get a cheap shot concussion the eagles beat Seattle then beats GB and they play in the NFC championship game not GB
You can debate between Rodgers/Wilson for best in the NFC. Next is Brady. Brees can’t throw more than 15 yards downfield, and yeah, Wentz finished the regular season strong last year but only made the playoffs cuz the NFC East is hot garbage.
Carson wentz vs rodgers- “well you have to account for rodgers not playing some games so rodgers is better. Also look at the competition and you have to look at the players around them.” Carson vs Dak- “carson is worse because he gets injured and the talent around them doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter that dak has a true number 1 and 2 wr or a top 5 line or a top 3 rb. If Carson is as good as you say he should be able to produce top 3 numbers with people from your local walmart against nfl defenses.” Pick a lane either injuries count or dont and either talent around you counts or doesn’t. People pick and choose what they want to count just to put wentz down.
Carson Wentz did great for what he had around him literally both his starting WR were out and their 3rd WR was playing like a practice squad player and average defense, Rodgers had arguably a top 10 WR the whole year plus a good upcoming RB and their defense was pretty good this year so it’s not ridiculous that Wentz had a better year than Rodgers
Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders beat the Packers not Carson Wentz. Rodgers threw for 422 yds and Wentz only threw for 160. That victory was all on the running game
Aaron Rodgers came back from a broken collarbone in the same season he broke it and beat the Bears to go to the playoffs. Carson Wentz rested for 8 months before coming back from his injury. In the season he came back he went 5-6.
I seem to be in the vast minority, while I don't necessarily agree with Dan's point. He is the only one that properly argued his point. Stephen A outside of the interception aspect of his rebuttal, argued right into everything Dan was talking about and didn't even notice. Max didn't even really give an argument.
Rodgers had an off year last year. Rodgers was playing hurt the season before and had an off year. The year before that, he had a broken collar bone. The last few seasons sound pretty similar to Wentz's last few seasons.
@@og3777 who had one of the best offensive lines and the best defense in the league with the best 1-2 punch running backs in the league that year? Don't forget the best tight end in football that year. Also how many playoff games did foles get to before Wentz? He did what a backup was supposed to do and was the perfect backup because he had already played with that team. Wentz is better than foles, let it go.
The eagles team has been absolutely DEPLETED the last 2 years. Our injuries have been off the charts and what Wentz has done with a demolished roster is incredible. Maybe someone who doesn’t know much about the eagles can say that Wentz didn’t perform as highly as he should’ve, but he had PRACTICE SQUAD WRs playing against NFL DBs. Wentz had an amazing year last when you take everything account for all that the team had to go through. Wentz had a much better year than aaron Rodgers.
But we aren't talking about that, we are talking about Carson Wentz being over Aaron Rodgers. This season he was no where near the level Rodgers was on. At a few points Rodgers was making an MVP statement. Carson is a great quarterback, he just isnt the best anymore with people like Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Deshaun Watson. And Dan is defending Wentz over the course of the season he played good and Rodgers didnt. We're ranking this season, not those seasons. Wentz was an MVP this one season while Rodgers was hurt when his team was 4-3, Then Wentz lead the Eagles to the playoffs again while McCarthy couldnt get anything done with Rodgers. Then when you finally give Rodgers what he needs to get back to what he is, He is better than Wentz. If Rodgers gets what he needs he will forever and always be better than Wentz. We're not talking about who is overrated and who isn't
Max said “Carson Wentz doesn’t even believe he’s better than Aaron Rodgers.” 😂😂😂
Amaris I Am 😂😂😂😂
Amaris I Am He does
Max is a hater
Wentz beat the packers in Lambo last year lol he has every reason as a player to believe he’s better
JZ you must be new to football but it’s a team game.
Rodgers threw a game winning touchdown that bounced off the receivers hand for a game winning interception.
That’s why wentz should think he’s better than a guy who carried his team to the nfc title game and wentz struggled just to make the playoffs
max anytime he talks about wentz: "i love wentz but he also sucks"
Daniel Jones sucks lol
He has to hedge.
Thats good, no personal bias?
Lol this is so perfect.
„I was arguing for Wentz vs Brady“ yeah because you hate Brady even more than wentz lol
Dan has a look on his face like " I'm glad we not in the studio, because Stephen would probably drop kick me"
Lol he look like a failed ufc fighter at that 🤭
You realize he used to be a professional football player, right?
@GYOG Chow Maine mr. 0-16 is afraid of a win, dude is a babyface beta
Lol Stephen A fights like a little girl
gearry sookbirsingh Stephen a doesn’t even look like he can fight foh
The fact that this video exist and Dan still has a job Is absurd
Facts🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I need to find me a girl that loves me as much as Dan loves Carson Wentz
You wont
U said this already
Still to this day. He's on this man nutts so Heavy!
dan orlovsky is just as good an analyst as he was a qb.
Jonathan LaRosa lol
He was trash
@@parentaladvisory3260 thats the point
💩💩💩💩
Hes right rn though, Wentz has been statistically better INTs aren’t the only stat lmao
Orlovsky was so trash as a QB lol
Proving to be the same as an analyst 😂😂😂
And an analyst
And Doug Pederson was a trash qb and a Super Bowl winning head coach
Safety Dan
Brandon James still knows more about football than literally everyone in this comment section.
Dan ran out of his own end zone lol.
Enough said.
That’s enough to not take a single word this clown says seriously
Omfg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Actual factuals
You probably would too if Jared Allen was chasing you lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥🤣🔥
This aged well.
This didn’t age well
This dude tries so hard to be the Ryan Hollins of football.
As a member of Honoured First Legion, and one of the sons of the Lion, I must disagree with your jibe, Lord of the Imperium, if you are talking about Dan Orlovsky.
He gave clear reasons as to why Carson Wentz has been on aggregate better than Aaron in the last three seasons:
- More points per game when they started
- Better QBR
- Better on Third Down
- More points per drive when they are leading the team
Max and Stephen A counter with these points:
- The Aaron Rodgers was injured for most of 2017
- That he has a greater QB to interception ratio
- And that the Eagles were generally facing worse teams than the Packers.
The first excuse is countered in that Dan gave a per game comparison of Rodgers and Carson during the Regular Season in the last three seasons. Carson comes out on top.
- The second point is countered with Carson Wentz having a better QBR than Rodgers, regardless of Rodgers's precious TD/INT ratio.
- The third point is partially countered
by the fact that the Eagles have more playoff wins than the Packers in the last three seasons, which shows that the Eagles have been a better team than the Packers over that stretch. Carson Wentz played an important role in getting them there.
Musa thank you bro & light years better than him in the redzone
@@musafawundu6718 How many Playoff games has Wentzs won in the past three years? And only someone with a limited understanding of football, would downplay the TD to Int ratio. Its one of the most important stats in the game. Roger's has also thrown a lot more than Wentz in those three years as well(game manager) so Dan's cherry picked stats hold little water in my opinion sir.
@@dropkicckmurphy99
Wentz was injured in two of those three seasons before the playoffs. Rodgers had a losing season in 2018, despite playing all games that season.
You say that Dan cherry picked his stats, but he gave four of them at least decent ones.
Wentz had 33 touchdowns and 7 interceptions with a passer rating of 101.9 in 2017 in 13 games played.
Yes, Aaron has a EXTREME TD to INT ratio. But Wentz over the same stretch also has a very good one of not less than 3:1. On aggregate he also has better QBR and passer ratings that Rodgers has during the three seasons in question.
Here are Wentz TD/INT and Passer Ratings for 2017, 2018, and 2019 respectively, having played 13, 11, and 16 games in those seasons.
2017: 33/7, 101.9
2018: 21/7, 102.2
2019: 27/7, 93.1
For Rodgers, the stats for 7, 16, and 16 games played are:
2017: 16/6, 97.2
2018: 25/2, 97.6
2019: 26/4, 95.4
Those who say that Rodgers would have an excellent season had he stayed healthy, should also then accept that Wentz would most probably have been the 2017 MVP had he played 13 games and he probably would have led the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory in that season too... The same cannot be said of Rodgers during the three season stretch.
Whatever the case he was better than Rodgers was in 2017 and 2018. Rodgers and Wentz played a combined 7+16 (23) and 13+11 (27) games. Rodgers was 4-3 and 6-9-1 in those two seasons, while Wentz was 11-2 and 5-6 in those seasons. If one is asking about wins of a QB during the post season, then one should also ask of wins by a QB during the regular season. Wentz went 16-8, while Rodgers went 10-12-1. In 2019, they Wentz went 9-7 and Rodgers 13-3. That makes it Wentz 25-15 and Rodgers 23-15-1. With the playoff wins Rodgers goes to 25-15-1. Wentz has a significantly more regular season touchdowns per game in that stretch as compared to Rodgers at 81/40 to 67/39. He has a better win ratio per total games played. And he has an aggregate better passer rating and QBR.
Don't give me that he played in a weak or the worst division in Football in those two seasons. The 3rd placed team, the Redskins, in each of those seasons, had 7 wins. Not good, but not BAD either.
The only things that Rodgers has in Wentz in his TD to INT ratio - which Wentz with an aggregate better QBR and PASSER RATINGS - and playoff wins. But then again, Rodgers did not have an MVP caliber season in any of the three.
With Dan's points and my analysis above, it is not ridiculous to say or to agree with him than Wentz was better and has been better than Rodgers over the last three seasons. At the very least one must agree that it is splitting hairs. It is certainly not an unreasonable argument to make.
@@musafawundu6718 you write all that "hogwash" and still didn't answer my question. Simple question really, how many playoff games did Wentz win in the past three years? ZERO. Wentz is a good young QB No question. But Aaron Roger's is a proven, established, MVP in the NFL. Let's not be silly Musa.
I like Wentz but he is clearly not on Rodgers level no matter which way you wanna spin it Dan
Did you watch last season? Rogers was nothing but a game manager whilst Wentz took a practice squad to the playoffs. Also beat Rogers at home, just saying
@@idohearthatersdgk True, butvas a Eagles fan this question is hard to answer. But Rodgers is one of the best in the league and all time in terms of individual value, but Wentz means a lot to the team too. But Aaron has a greater body of work so its hard to judge.
Garrett well first of you calling him Rogers is already a sign of lack of knowledge but I’ll let it pass. Rodgers was forced to take a lesser role last season bc of the lack of receiving talent aside from Devante Adams. And when he had to make the big time throws, he did so.
@@idohearthatersdgk just stop commenting, you know nothing about football
Garrett being a game manger isn’t a bad thing
Alright let’s see. Last year Jameis Winston had a higher Qbr than Rodgers (53.7 to 50.4), higher points per game (28.6 to 23.6), a higher 3rd down conversion % (41.47 to 37.61), and higher points per play (.422 to .373)... looks like the only thing Rodgers was better at was not turning over the ball. You can say this all... but no one, in their right mind, thinks Winston is better than Rodgers... so stop Dan.
Despite the constant turnovers, Tampa was like a Top 5 offense. CONTEXT matters a lot, winston had a better supporting cast and arguably a better coach.
He had top tier talent Brady will light it up with them
Yup and they both missed the playoffs. Winston is trash, but Aaron rodgers ain't as good as everyone likes to think. His accomplishments dont match his statistics. He has a worst playoff record than joe flacco but he is always in the GOAT conversation?
Qbr doesnt matter. Passer rating is better
@@Mr.Hall3850 but he has more playoff wins and has been there far more often.
CZcams recommending this to me 8 months later because even they know how ridiculous this is lmao 😂
I came back to this video almost a year after it came out when Aaron Rodgers just won MVP and Wentz loses his spot on the Eagles and got traded to the colts
What happened to Will Cain, is there a reason why he doesn’t come on the show anymore?
Probably don't have a webcam at home
possible scenarios
1) Max and will don't like each other, and max probably doesn't want to do segment with will
2) Producers want will to take certain position in certain topics, but will is reluctant to do that.
3) Espn is pushing for a certain narrative, but will won't accept it.
I could be wrong, but imo these three scenarios i listed above might the reason why Will isn't on the set that often.
SAS is racist towards Will Cain that's why
Dan is sorta taking willys spot
@@Joker-jz9cn lmaoooooo
Imagine what Jameis’ stats are in everything he brought up
Dan Orlovsky also said Jake Fromm was like Patrick Mahomes 😐
Dan "endzone exit" Orlovsky riding Carson's joystick again...
Benjamin Ubben hi
Please get Dan Orlovsky off ESPN. He is so delusional about Wentz. He is a good QB. But to say he’s better than Rodgers is outrageous.
Matthew Hitchcock - Rodgers sucks
Matthew Hitchcock Dan is right, get used to it
@Star Key Little G lmao keep dreaming kid Wenz isn't elite
Matthew Hitchcock think Dan values him more as a franchise player at this point in their careers. Rodgers is past his prime. Wentz is entering his
Star Key Little G wentz ain’t elite Rodgers and Dak are better than mr made out of glass
Wentz took the eagles to the playoffs with Uber drivers at reciever
NoName and what did Rodgers have besides Adams? Wentz still had Ertz so he had at least one legit guy to throw to just like Rodgers, difference is Rodgers took his team to the NFC championship game with just as few options in the receiving game as Wentz had
Hellmouth024 but Rodgers still has a WR Wentz has none and still took em to the playoffs
Rodgers never had no All Pro receivers either buddy. You really gonna choose Wentz over Rodgers 😂😂😂😂
He was facing the NFC east...The NFC east made him look better than he is.
Hellmouth024 when they played head to head the Carson wentz ate Rodgers lunch money just stop it. Our whole secondary was injured that game and we still won. And to even compare our weapons to the packers weapons is absolutely ridiculous you guys have Arron Jones and actually reliable recievers that arod was familiar with. Receiving weapons for Carson are considerably worse so stop that and very new. Arron Rodgers is declining and Carson is better
Anybody here when Rodgers is an mvp candidate and went is riding the bench
yessir
This aged well 😂
Aaron Rodgers must be talking to dudes wives. Y’all hate him for no reason 😂😂
I don't hate him. He is just overrated, at least currently.
Joshua Muench 26 touchdown passes 4 int and over 4000 yards passing is definitely not overrated people just want to say that for no reason
Patrick Knapp with no good weapons too compared to guys like Brees
Aaron is good but not like he used to be
They jealous
This coming from a guy name Dan that went 0-16 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Dude is nuts... Rogers is a Hall of Famer... Wentz has done nothing but watch Foles lead his team to a championship...
Facts
This is not about legacy this is about upcoming top 5 best nfc QBs entering 2020 season
@@Lovefaith316 and Rodgers is still better than Wentz
He is comparing them over the last three seasons and Wentz has been better, and not an overall career assessment. Here is a breakdown of the analysis:
Dan gave clear reasons as to why Carson Wentz has been on aggregate better than Aaron in the last three seasons:
- More points per game when they started
- Better QBR
- Better on Third Down
- More points per drive when they are leading the team
Max and Stephen A counter with these points:
- The Aaron Rodgers was injured for most of 2017
- That he has a greater QB to interception ratio
- And that the Eagles were generally facing worse teams than the Packers.
The first excuse is countered in that Dan gave a per game comparison of Rodgers and Carson during the Regular Season in the last three seasons. Carson comes out on top.
- The second point is countered with Carson Wentz having a better QBR than Rodgers, regardless of Rodgers's precious TD/INT ratio.
- The third point is partially countered
by the fact that the Eagles have more playoff wins than the Packers in the last three seasons, which shows that the Eagles have been a better team than the Packers over that stretch. Carson Wentz played an important role in getting them there.
I am only saying who is Dan Orlovsky to judge Wentz, Prescott and Rogers??? He was a terrible QB, 3-12 as a starter for the Lions... it would be different if Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman had an opinion on this subject.. someone who at least had a career... Rogers has had a down few years but you have to admit, GB has done nothing to help him either, no name WRS, barely a running game and he still produces year in and year out..Just over all ability at the QB position, Wentz or Prescott are not in his league.
Lol look at this take now 😂😂😂
What is Dennis from "it's always Sunny in Philadelphia" doing talking about quarterbacks? Have you guys seen his eagles tryout video? Not impressed.
He looks just like him 😂👍, great comment.
He's Demonstrating his value, give him a break
I’m an Eagles fan and have never lost faith in Wentz when a lot of fans have however to rank him above Rodgers? Lol no.
@@hezekiahthompson28 but Rodgers took the Packers to a 13-3 record and has stats to prove it and what about wentz and the Eagles 9-7
@@finleyjeanbatiste5197 put wentz on the packers and they are the same if not better and probably put up a better chance against the 9ers considering the eagles beat the packers this past season and the eagles are far worse
Finley Jeanbatiste Wentz was like 11-2 before going down against the rams
Spectre ya nahhh
One of those 9 wins were against the packers just saying
It’s amazing when wentz doesn’t have a good defense or receiving core its wentz fault but when so call Rodgers didn’t have a good defense or claim he had bad receivers it’s everyone else including the head coach fault and not Rodgers
Deandre Thompson Facts
Love how when it's evaluating Wentz everything is a excuse but when Stephen A is defending Rodgers he starts his argument by making 5 excuses. Aight'....
Wentz's teams can win playoff games without him, Rodger's teams couldn't even go 8-8 without him.
Patriots went 10 and 6 without brady
Look what wentz did with those injuries lol Carried us
@@PhillyWave93 how is Wentz doing now? He shouldn’t have dropped off so much if he was that great?
@@Mir2Nastyy he doing terrible wym, but he started off in a terrible situation losing his top 3 receivers and lineman smh he can never get a break, but no excuses he suck right now and pederson need to be fired
@@PhillyWave93 “he lost his top 3 receivers”
Didn’t Rodgers score 4 TDs vs Atlanta with his WR1 and WR2 Adams and Lazard both not playing?! Isn’t Rodgers 6 0 in his last 6 games without Danvate?! Losing WRs ain’t enough of an excise for elite QBs (Mahomes won in 2019 when hill was injured Brees won when Thomas as injured etc...)
Give me what Dan is Smoking😂🤣
Nah you don't want that. He's smoking 🍆...Wentz's 🍆
Wentz is top 4
@@masterofthecraft1990 top 4 currently? Lmaoooo
@@masterofthecraft1990 not even top 10, good try tho
Master Of The Craft top 5 maybe 4
PAT MCAFEE FOR MNF!!!
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This didn't age well
3:25 That boy Dan been around Stephen A so long he picking up some of his lingo 😭
This aged tremendously 😂
Orlovsky was made to look a proper mug after season 2.
This didnt age well for orlovsky
Packers was actually 4-1 before Rodgers broke his collarbone vs MIN
That's what you get for having a washout QB, who went out-of-bounds for a safety during Detroit's perfect 0-16 season, rank another washout QB.
I can't wait until one of these clowns be like
:Dan you're biggest career moment was starting for an 0-16 team....
Facts!
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 Oh trust me if he was Shannon Sharpe, it would've been said. The same way he put Orlando Scandrick on the spot that one time.
Stephen A's face when he said; " GO HEAD, THIS BETWEEN YOU AMD MAX" . you know he was fighting the urge to go off 😂😂😂😂😂
This aged like milk...
Not to mention Carson went to lambo on a short week and beat Roger's team in a head to head game
Well not to mention that Rodgers won mvp while Wentz got benched
You seem like a guy who would be a great football analyst
Carson wentz is doing good at the Indianapolis colts
After the 2020 season I can’t believe this was ever a question
Dan always been hating on Rodgers
Max forgot that Foles looked like Dogshit in 2018-19 at the beginning of the season. Didn't heat up until the end. Not surprising though cause he's a Giants fan and a hater.
Foles only lost 1 game in the regular season in 2018 so no one forgot anything good job making things up
@@dannywoodson5049 Actually he did struggle to start that season. He only won those first few games because he was playing against bad teams.
When foles in philly nobody wanna play him in the playoffs
@Shadair Mitchell 100%
@@JayL3wis that is Carson wentz's whole career...beating up on trash teams...he plays in that division
🤣🤣 The same guy who played for the 0-16 Detroit lions is calling Wentz better than Rodgers
Dan needs to have his brain and eyes checked. We're hearing an argument from a quarterback who rolled out in the back of his own end zone.
i love when max and stephen a agree
I thought they were interviewing Dennis Reynolds when I initially looked at the thumbnail
Alex Stone DAY MAN!!
Because of the implication?
That's a five star man
He’s busy driving his amphibious exploring vehicle
I like to bind... I like to be bound
I know Rodgers was better but Dan killed both of them in that arguments all SAS and Max did was state opinions and ramble Dan did a great job of giving numbers along with context.
David Torres 2019 Rodgers not better. Plus 2017 Wentz better than all qbs
@@hezekiahthompson28 is he still better ?
@@theach84 so how is 2020 Wentz doing
When Dan speaks, my mind suddenly is lost in space. But then when SAS’s voice came, it guided be back to reality.
Lmao who’s watching this now😂😂
“His Wr core wasn’t much better then Carson Wentz” He had one of the best WRs in the league!!!!! Davante Adams!
Yeah that's it though. Outside of Adams it was all undrafteds and the ancient Jimmy Graham. As a packers fan who watched every game I can assure you the packers receiving core was painful to watch lol.
Austin Voshall he still
Had better WRs then Wentz, elite Oline elite running game. Jimmy Graham isn’t terrible either
Wentz would have had a much better year with Devante Adams as his number one instead of Greg Ward....just sayin
And he Aaron Jones
Rodgers hasn't had the Defensive help wentz has had in Philly
Remember: Dan's wife is an eagles fan from philly. So, that is why he makes these arguments. Pleasing the wife. A happy wife is a happy life, I heard lol!
Anyway, fly eagles fly.
If Rodgers wouldn’t of gotten hurt in 2017, he would’ve definitely been an MVP candidate. It seems like the media forgets that he missed 9 games that year.
Hassan Baluch if Carson doesn’t get hurt in 2017 he’s the MVP, period.
Carson had 33 td with 3 games left and the only person that had more was Russell wilson
@@ronwest3339 Facts
That is not a foregone conclusion. They just as likely would not even have made the playoffs that season.
Musa Fawundu The Packers probably would’ve been 12-4 or 13-3 in 2017 if Rodgers played all 16 games.
This kinda ages horribly for poor dan
This didn't age well.
Finally Max and Stephen A agree on something!
I just found my binder of trading cards and there was a Lions Dan Orlovsky rookie card LMFAOOOO
As a packers fan i love watching them fighting about Aaron Rodgers
Dan? Are you feeling ok? The dark circles around your eyes suggests you may be experiencing dementia.
ESPN has a double standard that's for sure
Who else already knew this from McAfee and Hawk?
Wentz was out here winning with never before played receivers
Dennis Childers and the best o line in football and the best tight end and the best rookie running back
And winning is 9 wins in the worst division probably ever
Jack Christensen which speaks to how important those injuries were. If Jackson, Jeffery and Acholor were healthy, with all you mentioned, they’re an 12 win all club. Also, Seattle and Carolina won their division with 7 wins, so those were by far the worst divisions
Yeah and besides Adams. Rodgers had nothing to work with too
@@kdubbss0583 Shhhhh nobody wants to hear that I wonder what Aaron would have done without his #1,2 and 3 starting wrs not just no names how about the last 5 games including the playoffs with 4th 5th and practice squad wrs talk about it and there's no doubt in my mind if Carson doesn't get a cheap shot concussion the eagles beat Seattle then beats GB and they play in the NFC championship game not GB
I’m so happy this popped up on my feed
This did not age well. Aaron Rodgers is better than all the QBs on that list currently
That’s laughable! 😂😂
Ahh, it all makes sense now. Dan has a special relationship with Carson Wentz. Defend your boy Dan 😂👬🤣
He married a chick from Philly too lmao I love Dan lol
Almost as bad as Shannon+Lebron ALMOST...
You can debate between Rodgers/Wilson for best in the NFC. Next is Brady. Brees can’t throw more than 15 yards downfield, and yeah, Wentz finished the regular season strong last year but only made the playoffs cuz the NFC East is hot garbage.
anyone know how to find the original list?
Never forget Orlovsky ran back into his own endzone
Wait that was him att QB when the Lions went 0-16?!
@@louisschulze7554 yeah
Man ....... Danny “O” has to be the dumbest so called analyst ESPN has ever hired. Wentz over Rodgers ............ Brady over Brees!!
Dan was hired to be their moving Target. Say stupid things to get a reaction. Like the typical dumb fans perspective.
Carson wentz vs rodgers- “well you have to account for rodgers not playing some games so rodgers is better. Also look at the competition and you have to look at the players around them.”
Carson vs Dak- “carson is worse because he gets injured and the talent around them doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter that dak has a true number 1 and 2 wr or a top 5 line or a top 3 rb. If Carson is as good as you say he should be able to produce top 3 numbers with people from your local walmart against nfl defenses.”
Pick a lane either injuries count or dont and either talent around you counts or doesn’t. People pick and choose what they want to count just to put wentz down.
Dan won the debate. QB rating is a better indicator than just wins. Football is the ultimate team sport.
Most eagles fans wouldn't even rank Wentz over Rodgers
Chris Cuevas lies
On god that’s a lie
Walk it to em wentz!!!
William Escabi Walk him to the bench... naw Walk him to the tent🤣😂
He said "This between you and Max" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
you know it's real when Stephen A agrees with max 😂
Carson Wentz did great for what he had around him literally both his starting WR were out and their 3rd WR was playing like a practice squad player and average defense, Rodgers had arguably a top 10 WR the whole year plus a good upcoming RB and their defense was pretty good this year so it’s not ridiculous that Wentz had a better year than Rodgers
Everyone forgets that Wentz just beat Rodgers this past season
Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders beat the Packers not Carson Wentz. Rodgers threw for 422 yds and Wentz only threw for 160. That victory was all on the running game
Emiliano Zapata Wentz threw 3 touchdowns
Davante Adams also had like 200 yards in the 1st half
I didn’t know quarterbacks played one vs one I’m sorry
How did the eagles do this year?
Is this his list of top 5 nfc QBs for this upcoming season or his top 5 NFC QBs in general?
either way you dont put wentz over rodgers
I’m just here to because this aged horribly. Putting Wentz above Rodgers is one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard.
“Aaron Rodgers didn’t have as many weapons like Carson Wentz” Devante Adams: Am I a joke to you?
Devante missed like 6 games
wentz had ertz and goedert, and im an eagles fan. rodgers better by far
Aaron Rodgers is gonna win the MVP & Carson Wentz is probably the worst QB this season
Yeah this has aged well lol
What up with Max hatred on Wentz and Brady
Anthony Anwusi they both get way too much credit for team accomplishments
He's from NY. He hates Boston and Philly players ..it's a given.
Lamorris Kyle what did the TEAM accomplish besides getting hurt and dropping passes
Aaron Rodgers came back from a broken collarbone in the same season he broke it and beat the Bears to go to the playoffs. Carson Wentz rested for 8 months before coming back from his injury. In the season he came back he went 5-6.
Brady above Brees and Rodgers, what a laugh
Why do they let Dan talk football, wasn’t he a HORRIBLE BACKUP
Jermainee J his opinion here was trash.
But.... your argument is just as bad. You didn’t even make the nfl guess you aren’t allowed to talk about ot
That's backup quarterback facts
I’m Not Faded Anymore you don’t have to make the NFL to know what your EYES show you
Jesus Vasquez Dan is bias he have people he sing praises about! Tua, Wentz a couple others
I seem to be in the vast minority, while I don't necessarily agree with Dan's point. He is the only one that properly argued his point. Stephen A outside of the interception aspect of his rebuttal, argued right into everything Dan was talking about and didn't even notice. Max didn't even really give an argument.
DAN IS IGNORING THE FACTS
Rodgers had an off year last year. Rodgers was playing hurt the season before and had an off year. The year before that, he had a broken collar bone. The last few seasons sound pretty similar to Wentz's last few seasons.
Both Stephen A Smith and Max schooled Dan on the sport he's played lol.
When?
How ????
Dan breathing like he got coronavirus
Lmao bruhhhh 💀😂
So we can all say what we want. But Dan's opening statement in response to Max literally is the strongest statement in this video.
Wentz ain’t even close to Rodgers...CUT IT OUT.
Well last year he took practice squad players to the playoffs so If say yes he is close. Not better obviously but
Ricky Rick keep telling yourself that
Pro Kator FACTS
Even foles better than wentz
@Ricky Rick how many NFC championship games Wentz been to again 🤔 did he carried his team to a SB 🤔 did he win won for his team 🤔lol
THOUGHT SO
@@og3777 who had one of the best offensive lines and the best defense in the league with the best 1-2 punch running backs in the league that year? Don't forget the best tight end in football that year. Also how many playoff games did foles get to before Wentz? He did what a backup was supposed to do and was the perfect backup because he had already played with that team. Wentz is better than foles, let it go.
Max takes the huge W on this one
This doesn't look good for Dan in December 2020.
The eagles team has been absolutely DEPLETED the last 2 years. Our injuries have been off the charts and what Wentz has done with a demolished roster is incredible. Maybe someone who doesn’t know much about the eagles can say that Wentz didn’t perform as highly as he should’ve, but he had PRACTICE SQUAD WRs playing against NFL DBs. Wentz had an amazing year last when you take everything account for all that the team had to go through. Wentz had a much better year than aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers has become grossly overrated
But we aren't talking about that, we are talking about Carson Wentz being over Aaron Rodgers. This season he was no where near the level Rodgers was on. At a few points Rodgers was making an MVP statement. Carson is a great quarterback, he just isnt the best anymore with people like Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Deshaun Watson. And Dan is defending Wentz over the course of the season he played good and Rodgers didnt. We're ranking this season, not those seasons. Wentz was an MVP this one season while Rodgers was hurt when his team was 4-3, Then Wentz lead the Eagles to the playoffs again while McCarthy couldnt get anything done with Rodgers. Then when you finally give Rodgers what he needs to get back to what he is, He is better than Wentz. If Rodgers gets what he needs he will forever and always be better than Wentz. We're not talking about who is overrated and who isn't