Megalodon's Nemesis - Livyatan
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2023
- Livyatan, a giant macro-raptorial sperm whale, may have competed with Megalodon over the same prey - but what evidence do we have for conflicts between these two superpredators?
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#sharkweek #sharkweek2023 #megalodon
If I had a time machine, I would simply HAVE to capture the holy battle between these great beasts. What a terrifying sight it must have been.
Not *that*'s a great time machine location, just make sure you're not in the middle of it-
A clash of titans; of oceanic gods. Gods not just from their era but gods of all. Only the blue whale is larger and it never would have survived in the megalodon’s seas.
Actual footage of that happening
*A calm ocean*
100 years from now, people will wish they had a time machine to watch modern sperm whales hunt giant squid 🦑
..whales never hunt alone, keep that in mind^^
As master QuiGon taught us “there’s always a bigger fish”
Or in this case, mammal.
Meg was actually slightly heavier
A Whale is a mammal
@@HerbivoreEnthusiastBut the Livyatan was actually slightly bigger
In Sciene "bigger" is defined by weight therefore meaning Megalodon was slightly bigger@@De_Rain52
Were prehistoric whales as intelligent as modern whales? A whale that size with the intellect of a orca would be crazy.
Probably not, but assuming it so similar to sperm whale it would have been around the iq of a sperm whale
@@HerbivoreEnthusiast I love orcas I didn’t realize how intelligent they are. Makes sea world that much worse.
@@HerbivoreEnthusiast saw a video of a dolphin watching a little girl do gymnastics it literally made me want to cry.
😂 Gawd, intellect of orca?
You know that sperm whales has fucking biggest head, ever? So, their brains can't possibly small, either...
The heads are clearly heavy as they sleep vertically, with their heads at the bottom...
Can't really said, that the heads are heavy simply because of their spermaceti, right?
Ancient sperm whales that's even bigger by 1m then their modern predecessors, so their brains, should be fucking bigger!
Bigger 🤯 brains, should translate more intelligent... 🤓
@@aphiz4505 notice how their brains are also bigger than ours, and yet we outclass them in the cognitive department. Absolute size doesn’t really matter; it’s the brain’s size compared to the rest of its body, and the density of neurons in it, that really make a difference. It’s why birds like crows and parrots are able to run circles around similarly-sized mammals intellectually.
They probably didn't fight on a regular basis. Predators tend to be far less aggressive than people think and are often specialized to go after certain prey.
Megalodon didn’t have the luxury of peace. They measured megalodon’s trophic (how far up the food chain it goes) level chemically, and at its absurd levels, it was forced to take nearly every hunt presented to it, or starve. Energy doesn’t transfer between animals, so when you eat another animal some calories don’t make it. Because the Miocene oceans had so many predators up and down the food chain, eating the bigger whales meant they were pretty calorie deficient. Hence why megalodon was almost eternally starving.
In short, megalodon would be forced to take the shit fight of hunting a levyatan pod. Starve or get torn apart by a vengeful levyatan pod. Nature is a cruel mistress. If there was a whale that megalodon would spend its precious few skip cards on, it would be levyatan.
@@curts7801like today's sperm whales, would male livyatans be bigger and stronger than the females
Well sharks aren’t very intelligent and whales are usually territorial if they’re predatory
considering Orcas don't care what size there prey are i would think Livyatan was't eighter, no sharks of today stand a chance vs a orca white sharks flee from them so does all the other whales, id say it's a high chance the meg fled from livyatan too.
@@curts7801 I think that is a pretty big exaggeration, it was almost certainly built to be a very efficient swimmer and they probably had both a small global population and very rigid migratory patterns. Also the entire ocean's food web is basically nothing but predators as the basis for the ecosystem are the massive numbers of photosynthetic algae blooms that occur anywhere upwellings occur. That means everything in the ocean from krill to tuna to blue whales is a predator of some sort. Ocean food webs dont function the same as land based ones at all and much more predator biomass can be supported on far fewer producers and primary consumers since they are all eaten unlike land food webs where almost all the biomass is calory poor plant material.
If they were always starving that would mean any minor event would have caused them to go extinct, yet they persisted for a very long time and it took until the oceans fundamentally changed how they functioned for them to go extinct.
Nature is cruel and too cruel for such a precarious position to be maintained for that long. Even shrews and hummingbirds which are about as close to always starving as you can get are actually far more secure in their niche then one would think. Both can starve in mere hours yes, but both have reliable ways to get their calories so long as the current status of the ecosystem is maintained and therefore are not always starving. Like seriously shrews are very hard to keep in captivity they starve so fast, its almost comical and yet wild shrews will pass up certain prey items if they are not preferred and will only go after these when they are desperate. If an animal that starves in a few hours will pass up certain prey items if it knows that it can find something better then I would assume that Megalodon would have also had prey preferences as well.
Goddamn those orca ancestors have been clapping sharks’ cheek from the dawn of time
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Actually it was wiseversa back then, Meg>>>>levyathan
@@stefanhernold345 True with the sperm whale (pottwal) but whales are so much smarter than sharks, I don't think Megalodon had a Chance (exept sick or alone individuals)
AYOOOOOO
Well sharks evolved before trees, so there was a very long stretch of time in which sharks existed but whales didn’t
Detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region. Are you certain whatever you're doing is worth it?
I appreciate this comment from a fellow subnautica fan
looking for this comment
The Meg 3: Meg v. Leviyatan, coming to a theater near you, July 2025
In my opinion it is wrong to believe that the Megalodon was the supreme god of those waters, untouchable and indestructible, to which everyone had to submit... guys, the sea of the time was full of other predatory cetaceans who gave him a hard time, or , like Livyatan, could very well compete with him and even overwhelm him.
actually, if we do follow closely to modern shark size ranges, the larger sized megalodons wouldve been almost certainly female, in almost all shark species the female actually held the larger sizes than the male, with most great white males around 4-5 meters and the massive females growing up to 6 to 7 meters and 1 tonnes
I dont think this was meant to be the takeaway. Nobody said anything about submitting or that it was an indestructible God or anything. It's just hard to imagine many animals that would regularly go toe to toe, combat wise, with the one of the biggest versions of an oceanic apex predator, in known history.
Sure, other animals gave it a hard time. Hell, anything could kill almost anything else back in that time period. Life was rampantly abundant and unchecked. Free to exist in excess.
A megolodon could have died from being stung by a bunch of giant jellyfish or from a bunch of smaller parasites eating it from the inside. They weren't untouchable or indestructible, but they are very hard to kill and most of the kills on Megalodons feel more like circumstance, rather than a victory in combat.
The point is that most things, while sometimes capable of hurting a big poppa shark, still wouldn't be considered "regular competition" or a "rival". That's why this discovery is so interesting. It's not every day you find something that wakes up and chooses violence by squaring up with Megalodons.
This guy is a rival. An equal. It's hard to find those for big ass monsters like Megalodon.
Yeah sure, Livyatan could sometimes compete, but Megalodon was the strongest predator ever, if you count the absolutely MASSIVE ichthyosaurs then it's second
@@No.1GodzillaGlazerOrcas hunted in pods and can even kill blue whales . I dont see a problem when it comes to Livyatans pods circling and killing a single huge Megalodon.
@@Gh0st_-3 Livyatan's probably wouldn't have lived in pods, they wouldn't get enough food for the entire pod to survive
Livyatan? As in the Leviathan? 🤯
That's probably were the name came from
@@Scalesthelizardwizard It was.
Yep, everything in the bible turned out to be true
Truly an fascinating animal of the past
Actually it was close to the sperm whale no size difference
The teeth were bigger proportionately however.
@@danielled8665 yup, extremely bigger
Male Sperm Whales can grow up to 16 metres and 45 tonnes, so a 17 metre Livyatan is definitely possible.
@@TravisMcInroythe largest sperm whale was 24M long meaning that potentially livy could have potentially breached 20m
Lindsay Nikole moment
animalogic too
I love how literally every Palaeo Tube channel is finishing Shark Week with Levyatan.
It was actually called Livyatan because Leviathan was already taken by a mammoth IIRC.
Wtf? The mammoth should've been called behemoth or something.
BGT, you make the absolute best videos on paleontology!
Wait! 17 METERS?!? As in, SMALLER THAN A MEGALODON!?!
Came straight to the comments when I heard 17 metres. lol. Knew someone would have pointed that out already.
Happy New Year!
Lions are smaller than buffaloes
@@ryancang3627 And are pack hunters.
doesnt really matter as livyatan were only slightly smaller, but they have the bigger jaws and with knowing modern sperm whales, mightve hunted in small, tightly knit pods
@@richie_0740 We also need to mention the fact that sperm whales can kill people with just sound alone 😂
I have a question. I live in Florida. It’s common to find megladon teeth but I have not seen or heard of anyone finding these whale teeth. Were they possibly not as common as megladon?
These whales were dense and heavy-boned mammals, with an affinity to dive deep, the teeth are over 1 foot long at times, and really heavy, solidly encased in their skulls. When they died, their remains would just be buried. So it is much more unlikely for their bones to wash up and scatter on shores around water bodies like shark teeth do, because that's all there is to sharks, the teeth. Light cartilage skeletons that decay and their teeth just disperse with water flow everywhere.
Sharks constantly replace broken or fallen out teeth, a single one can cycle through thousands in its lifetime…
Sharks constantly shed their teeth. You see, their gums are like conveyor belts: when the one at the front breaks or falls off, the one behind it moves forwards to replace it. They can use thousands of teeth through their life.
1) Sharks shed their teeth far, far, far, far, FAR more often
2) Megalodon was around for millions more years both before and after Livyatan
3) Their skulls and teeth were much more dense and would be buried under millions of years of sediment buildup
@@No.1GodzillaGlazer there are separate material from iirc japan that can be attributed to Livyatan or similarly built cousin from 3 million year old sediment, providing possibility livyatan and megalodon competed untill the end of each others reign
These are only what we've found so far, could be an even bigger livyatan discovery out there!
Fossils of Jason Statham were also found.
Let Them Fight.
Who is Mechagodzilla’s strongest Enemy???
@@treystephens6166Godzilla, I should think.
@@bretthess6376 quite right‼️
Great white: *surfaces* Ocean’s haunted.
Sailor: The fuck?!
Great white: *grabs a speargun out of a sailor’s hands and sinks back down* Ocean’s haunted.
A megaladon was a fearsome predator to anything it could get its mouth around. I think the whole bloody world could drink to that one
Imagine the ecosystem that could hold two giant mega predators. Makes me wonder if there were also squids of massive proportions.
80 foot Ichthyosaurs be like: You keep taking losers
ichthyosaurs slim jaw: damnit i cant bite them....
Its so weird to think of a whale 🐳 being considered small
Caught one last week malin fishing in Florida.
The second illustration was awesome. Brought me back to sruff I saw as a kid in the pate 90s and early 2000s.
This a good and informative plug for the full video I’m not even mad at it😂💪🏾
Considering how many species will probably never be discovered, its frightening to think there could have been something much much bigger and worse.
It's also possible that they had a mutually beneficial relationship
Cool. Lavyathan probably ate their livers like Orca does!!
Liviatan looks like the child of a sperm whale and an Orca. Think about it hunting in a pack and killing megalodon to eat his liver linke orcas today do with white sharks 😳😄
Love your Videos by the way! Thank you ❤
A teeth like that. I don't think so.
The thing about sharks is there is almost a preprogrammed nature to them. They're scary but you understand them. Whales, however, there is intelligence to them and that's the real scary part.
The whale had echolocation, which had to be a big advantage. I'd give the fight to the whale.
Even Maggie had that one-eyebrowed nemesis.
beefin since the dawn of time
I love your channel and you have the perfect voice for narration!
It's interesting that people believe that the Meg is still alive (which it isn't) I'm surprised not no one thought that this giant Sperm Whale is still alive
Which that would be impossible
Well, I suppose modern Sperm Whales count if Livyatan was an ancestor of theirs. Sadly, their jaws look wimpy in comparison. I suppose that's a consequence of feeding mainly on giant, soft bodied cephalapods rather than other whales.
The reason they existed is because the planet was mostly water, with like, Pangea as one land mass, as it split, all these guys began changing and thus, sea life started getting smaller as the planet's separated land masses now made the oceans smaller instead of the entire planet with only one spot of land..
Crazy times
There never was a fight between them because of their difference in time periods. While the Megalodon existed before 10-2 Million Years the leviathan lived before 13-12 million years. So sadly there never was a fight
Ichthyotitan: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!
It's a giant specialist feeder like a blue whale. It's massive but it couldn't eat a meg or a liv
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@@pavlovsdogman Check the latest news on Ichthyotitan.
They have one spieces reaching around 25 meters and the physiology of an apex predator.
It seems to me that, just as a modern great white is no match for an Orca, the Megalodon, as big and fearsome as it was, nevertheless was also very likely decisively outclassed by Livyatan.
Was it perhaps, a white whale, with a holy grail?
they'll say the same thing about humans
An ocean mammal was alive during megs time? Genuinely surprising to me
This is going to be such a fun movie!!!
so this was basically 'demented aquatic era’
Could be the same modern relationship of Orcas and Great White sharks. The leviathan may have eaten only the liver of the Megalodon, while at the same time, eliminating the competition. It is not uncommon for apex predators to kill the smaller competing predators. Wolves will kill coyotes, lions kill hyenas, grizzlies kill black bears. Bigger is always better.
I never understand how these animals evolve or go extinct but other species of the same period are still here. Monkies especially
If you are large you need more food, are less stealthy, are less mobile and reach maturity slower therefore small animals like monkeys are much more adaptable
I think the whale won because there are no giant, whale sized carnivorous sharks today but there are giant sperm whales today
Given how Orcas and Great Whites are, Imma take a guess that Megalodon was not that bad and was sadly never fighting Livyatan in a 1v1. Bud might've been jumped
Dishonored whales are now canon irl
So basically what you’re telling me is under water kaiju battle?
And thus history repeats itself
Based on a fight between an orca and a shark today, and assuming the leviathan was similarly intelligent we could assume they would have been the winner of these prehistoric battles
Note livyatan was about the same size as a regular sperm whale
Omg megalodon shark is living 2.6 million years and the livatan vs the megalodon
Livatan was not I the same age as megladon
BTW links don’t work in short’s descriptions. You need to put it somewhere else. A pinned comment works, but afaik there is a different fields for it somewhere too
One's a mammal, and the other's a fish. But what do I know ?
Whales stay bullying sharks
We finally see that the whale from Pinocchio was real
Laboooooon💀
Yo-ho-ho 💀
These monsters jus keeps popping up
In a fight between a shark and a whale, my money is almost never on the shark. Whales are just smarter.
17 metres. Imagine seeing one in the water. Unimaginable.
Sperm whales are still bigger tho 👀
just have smol teeth
And no teeth on their upper jaw
No, the average male sperm whale is only slightly bigger than the biggest livy estimate, and smaller than a meg
@@HerbivoreEnthusiastAs I said. Still bigger
That all changed when...
The fire nation attacked?
Yes, they sent a massive asteroid.
Fun fact: megs we’re about 28m long!
Surprised there hasn't been a movie made named "LIV" yet.
Thankyou 😀
Spoiler : both fish are still here , just smaller like the huge ferns , centipedes, gigantic mosquitos and so on . Same for gigantopithicus , fire wolf , and yes even giant humans .
There’s other proof like sea lecamph,gators,,and many others that says ELE’s didn’t really happen like they say ,, just caused conditions where animals got smaller in order to survive
Yeah my spelling is probably wrong , whatever
If you know it's wrong, there's an option to edit your comment so you don't look stupid or lazy.
It is very scary thinking about what’s in our oceans never mind what was. I’m impressed and terrified to think what else is down there still
It’s not ours we was not even alive back then
What
In the upcoming series , Hollywood will make megalodon 10X the size of leviathan !
its like 2x longer than it is in the pictures, scientists found out.
Plz do spino
It never changed other sharks and mosasaurs were eating them for centuries
God must of been bored so he made a bigger fish and got popcorn to watch them fight 😂
Literally all they found was the teeth they have no idea what it was how big it was or even if it was a shark. They just found teeth
I personally have my own theory on the Leviathan
Actually megalodon had a competitor it was a kind of ichthyosaurus one of which is still considered to be the largest recognized animal ever found.
Ichthyosaurs died out long before Otodus megalodon evolved
There's evidence that doesn't support that that's came to light within the past 2 years I wanna say
Where can I see the full video it was almost inevitable that they clashed yes.
Two Titans❤❤
But modern sperm whales are up to 19 meters. 2 meters longer.
you should link the full video in the comments here pls!
Google says it was discovered in November 2008
Google is a lie
@@gabrielsstopmotion1959if the Google lies anything, we don't know what year was discovered.
The origin of the Shark Whale War is now known!!!!
It's pronounced "leev-yah-TAHN", with the emphasis on the last syllable.
Moby Dick vs the shrouded Ghost...
I need a TARDIS...
We dont no if it was fearsome it was probley slow it was cold blooded
Sure does sound a whole lot like the Leviathan that was mentioned in the Bible...
"Watch the full video" no link or title anywhere to be seen
Big brain vs peanut brain the mammalian sea beasts will alwasy out smart large fish.
Yet the Blue Whale is still bigger
Arent a regular sperm whale over 17 meters long?
Yes big will eat the next size down.
I know that they were not contemporaries, bug I wonder how Basilosaurus wood have are fair thrown into the equation?
Everyone knows that the Megalodumb wasnt giant, it was tiny and stupid like the people obsessed with it.
The Virgin Megalodon vs. The CHAD Raptorial Whale
The Megalodon outlived the Livyatan. Livyatan was extinct in the early Pliocene due to whales increasing size.
Megalodon lived for another million years but died off when the ice age started.
"DETECTING MULTIPLE LEVIATHAN CLASS LIFEFORMS IN THE REGION,ARE YOU CERTAIN WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING IS WORTH IT?"🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Alternate title: Meg fanboy's Nemesis