Here's What Taking the Bar Exam Is Really Like
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2012
- (Bloomberg Law) -- Bloomberg Law dropped in on Manhattan's Javits Center on July 24, 2012 to ask dozens of people taking New York's bar exam how they prepared and what it was like to take the test alongside thousands of would-be lawyers. (Produced, Shot, and Edited by Josh Block)
"I do not have a job waiting for me, but neither do any of my friends, so its all good!" ...spoken like a lawyer on soo many levels
Really.....how so?
True story, it's all good as long as we're all jobless together
amf feizi Unless you graduate from a top law school (top 10), you're going to have a difficult time with the $200k debt, that you can not get rid of with bankruptcy.
+Blarghaghsf Not worry, they'll just vote for the next Bernie and dump the debt onto the taxpayers!
Mr. White "dump college debt onto tax payers?" Please explain...seriously I'm genuinely interested.
Just got my results yesterday.....I PASSED!!!!!!! Biggest RELIEF EVER!! I tell people...its less a feeling of planting a flag atop a mountain (triumph)...and more of a feeling of being on the side of a mountain with a broken leg and then being rescued by a helicopter!! (EXTREME RELIEF). SO happy I never have to study for that thing again!! It grayed my hair and took years off my life!! WHEW WEE!!!
Congratulations man!!!! May you have a super bright future in the field of law!!
Come work for me...
David Sees Have you already taken it? Of are you gearing up for Bar Prep this summer? Are you using Kaplan or Barbri?
David Sees Dont have anxiety yet...you will have plenty of time for that! Just go one step at a time. "Dont worry...just work".
+ForeverBoxing369 CONGRATS!!!
"Professor Roy told me I COULDNT DO IT!" amazing how people try and steal your joy:)
LOL He's like "take THAT!" By the way, who on earth is Prof. Roy ????
Some people need an antagonist in order to push themselves, and some teachers can recognize that.
My dean told me I couldnt make it to med school after my freshman year in college. That pushed me get all A's and do so much during undergrad to allow me to get accepted into medical school.
My ex-husband told me I couldn't be a nurse because wasn't smart enough. I've been a nurse for over 25 years now. Clearly he was the stupid one. Btw so glad you called out professor Roy.
My professor said i wouldn't even make through law school. I passed all my classes with A'S OR B's and passed the Cal bar the first time
Shout out to the black guy:
Goes in confident
Starts his own firm
Involved in local politics
You can do anything fellas
Max R he's slinging drugs now
no shit sherlock anyone can be anything no matter what colour
@Micheal Ellis Hes doing more than you
I mean nigga was president twice, an astronaut, heart surgeons..
lol jk you right though
@@LuckyDuckie115 RACIST!!!
Everyone: Im nervous
That only 1 guy: *T O T A L L Y R E L A X E D*
“ What’s the weirdest thing you’ve seen at a bar exam” - “kim Kardashian”
Bo Jangles she took her LSATs..; soon, i bet she will be taking her bar exam..; A d you will be seeing her there. I believe the law says you have five years time after you pass ur LSATs.., to go to Law school\\ or in the state of California you can actually do apprenticeship, as it used to be in the USA; and, or then she can take her BAR EXAM.Ps. I believe she CAN N WILL do it if she wants to... it is in her ‘blood’ so to say🙂🧚🏻♀️
Soo proud of you Kim kardashian❌👍🏼😉💞
She will NEVER get there. She's a Total air head, and couldn't ever come close to passing bar exam. It's a publicity stunt that will definitely backfire.
@@paulwebber504 do you know her personally?
Paul Webber wth is ur profile pic
@@paulwebber504 She got a 470 on her baby bar. It was an incredibly good effort, what are you on about?
To the people saying "Bet they all work at Starbucks now", you're not referring to lawyers. You're referring to people that went to law school cause they were too afraid to face the real world (This is basically half of 1L students). A bunch of them went there cause their pre-law can't get them a job and law school is the only grad option that would make them employable with their degree. The person who dreamed about being an Attorney ever since they were a little kid, the guy who really wants to be a lawyer to make a change, the highly motivated person who is really set on getting into corporate law, or that kid passionate about defending people? You won't see them working at Starbucks as a Barista.
Cranes love this!
Love this.
I really want to help defend people. I don't care if I don't even make 50,000 a year. I just want to help people who have been in similar circumstances as I have.
Sounds like a lot of animosity. Do you happen to be an officer of the court and have been forced into a managers position at Starbucks? I'm not a physiologist
, but I don't need to be to identify your outrageous conduct.... Oh dear I've spoken out of term....
@@sav- Wow a fellow Keyboard warrior, how enthralling. You do know you make more working for a private practice than you do for a state and or the feds. Its a question of do I want more money or power/ social influence in the community I live in..... An Assistant prosecutor typically makes $40k a year... If you fuck the boss, use nepotism to your favor, and try real, real hard you can work your way up to the position of county prosecutor and make a little over 100k a year depending on the region, inflation blah blah blah economic horse shit.... Fun fact: Martin Luther King fought for social justice and equality but commented the act of infidelity crudely put while he was on his campaign fighting for equality he was getting pussy left and right....
You passed the bar?
Ye i did. i thought if Kim could do it... so can I.
@@4Syorha WHAT A SICK JOKE
@@yurigagarin3327 *hits head on counter*
Not before me doing a roundhouse kick. Yea.
A chimp with a machine gun!
You…you passed the bar?
And he gets to be a lawyer!?!?
Damn, I can't imagine getting caught cheating on the Bar. That's actually a life destroyer.
Nick Andolino Agree!
Well it's not a life destroyer if you look at Mike Ross. Still a fraud, but a damn smart one
@@user-ym9sx6jt8m 😂😂😂😂
if caught, you could be... behind the "bar".
William Pratama I forgot I even watched this video until you replied lmao. Idk if I even want to go to law school anymore.
Seeing so many ambitious hard working people puts a smile on my face :-)
You...you passed the bar?
What a sick joke!
Lol love the Chuck references
I remember I almost cried the second I was done the bar exam. The person that sat beside me during the test actually fainted during it.
I'm a Potato did you pass?
@@nikailyas1783 judging by their account, I don’t think so
Here is my bar story, which was the CA bar. Started studying the monday after graduation. It was slow at first, but boy did the test sneak up on me. I focused on studying what I could. I was really good at crim pro, so i really did not study that-may like 10 hours total. I really had to work on property because that was my least favorite subject in law school. One thing I did that was a gamble, but it paid off for me was that I did not study business and associations as heavily. I did not take the class in law school, and the chances of it appearing on the bar were much less than any of the other subjects. This extra time allowed me to focus on more difficult mbe areas. So i managed my time, 8-10 hours a day, but still did not feel prepared for the test. The day before the exam i tried not to look at a book, but simply could not keep away from it. I was having panic attacks about what if this was on the test? What is this other thing is on the test mixed with another subject? The possibilities were causing me to lose all hope. The night before the exam I called my dad twice in sheer panic. Finally, the first of the bar arrives. I told my dad to call me at 6 am and to not stop calling till i answered. Anyways, I get to the convention center where I am taking the exam and lucky all my classmates are there as well so it is essentially like the law school exams I took for the past 3 years. I get some food at the 711 across the street. Drink my coffee and just try to relax, and chat with some friends. We finally all start to file into the room. A big grey monstrosity that just added to the bleak mindset we all possessed. I sit down, and set up my computer. It boots up fine, and I start chatting with the guy next to me to ease up the tension. He is a repeater, but a good guy and i hope he passed. Finally I take start the test. First question is contracts, nothing too bad. It dealt with rather common aspects of contract law so I do not have a problem with it. I outline what I am going to type, and then I start typing. 20 minutes in, and my mouse stops moving. I am using a wireless mouse, and try the mouse pad on my laptop. But nothing. I then try typing, but still the same nonresponsive screen just mocking me. Fuck, my computer has frozen. I panic and call the proctor over to say that I need to hand write the rest of the exam. She comes over, and I explain to her what is going on. She looks confused and says she has to ask someone what is the next step. Tick tock tick tock. Time is fading away while I am sitting her doing nothing. tick tock tick tock. She finally comes back, and says start writing. Well I do. I pick up right where I left off, but I write much slower and messier. I then think, you know what i should jsut restart my computer. I do that and keep writing as I wait for it to reboot. When it reboots my computer is acting normally with all of my typing at the point when the computer froze. Great! So i start typing like the wind. The rest of the day was not too bad. Con law kind of threw me through a loop because I felt that I could have talked about a lot more, but some was a stretch. The PT exam was easy to me. The second day was the mbe day, and man that day fucked me like a choir boy. I literally guessed on 60-80 percent of the questions. I called my dad the moment I got back to may apartment, and cried. I knew that I failed, and the goal of being a lawyer seemed so far away. Almost unreachable. The next day I was in a deep valley of depression. I even looked up JD advantage jobs after speaking with some of my school's career advisers. I literally could not stop thinking about all i did wrong. The next day I packed up my apartment and moved back home. The next 4 months were terrible. Panic attacks. The day of results was unbearable. It seemed to drag on, until the final 10 minutes. I started drinking vodka and cranberry to get the courage too look up my results. When the clock hit 6 i said fuck it i need to get this over with. Upon entering in my numbers, I read, "The name above appears on the pass list for the July 2018 California Bar exam." I called my parents immediately and yelled out, "I'm a fucking lawyer!"
TLDR: the bar sucks, but you get through it.
Thanks for sharing.
Great story. Hope you're a successful lawyer!
What an ordeal. Happy for you, man.
Thanks for sharing!
@kyle... do not use the F- word while speaking to the judge or jury. your pops should of washed out your foul mouth with dish soap. be a good boy.
Sincerely Michael Bloomberg
*Bangs head on table*
They passed the bar?
Y-you passed the bar?
How hard is it to work at a bar though.
depends. If you have bad legs it's tough
You passed the bar??
Wow - I actually sat for this exam and failed, knowing that I didn't prepare fully and basically taking it as an exercise. (Attending law school part-time in the evening, working 50-plus hours a week, and beating cancer when I was a 1L exhausted the hell out of me and I was brain dead following graduation). What I did learn from this experience is the Javits Center is not a comfortable place to sit for an exam. I sat for my next exam successfully in Albany, which I found to be a far more comfortable setting despite the frigid winter temperature. Good luck to anyone sitting for a bar exam. My only tip is the first bit of advice that I received the first week of law school - "know everything; if you don't know something, learn it."
excuses
Excuses excuses
Powerule thanks for the tip
Did you try again?
@@radgoncan did you not read the whole thing?
I feel like most law students actually regret going to law school, unless they've always wanted it.
I’m an undergrad law student. I love learning about law. The thing that scares me about the bar exam is how much you gotta study to remember everything you need to know for it. Writing detailed long sentences that are relevant to the question (some people tend to go off topic) but I guess I’ll see when I start law school in 2 years
These people seem so normal. I used to think people that went to Law School were a bunch of genius preppy kids with an above average vocabulary. Which is part of the reason I shied away from pursuing a career in Law. It's a bitter sweet decision though since I see a bunch of videos on CZcams on why Law School sucks.
You only limit yourself when you care what others think, everyone shits and eats the same, never fear people, only fear doing harm to others.
LiftOrGTFO the good ones are lol
You can’t tell how smart someone is from a short clip like that. But you definitely made the right decision because you have no business going to law school if you were easily dissuaded by a few CZcams videos.
LiftOrGTFO remember not everyone becomes a lawyer with success. A lot of them become low budget lawyers like Saul goodman or any other bus bench lawyer
JB P LOL
This was such a great video, loved that you asked the security too
Y-you Passed the Bar?
That Black Guy is Awesome
which one?
which one? The one who said his professor said he couldnt do it...hmmm
@azmk k how he gon' sound black it's a comment lmao
Wow! Great video I love this video with all the effort that was put into it.
If the statistics are correct, half of the people in this video are working at starbucks today.
Is that really true?
flyingboat nah
most people graduating from law school today will not be lawyers in the historical sense. they will use the information in business and government management jobs. in fact, there are now law schools for people that do not intent to practice law.
1MinuteFlipDoc so what do these ppl do?
Shut the fuck up
It's actually not that difficult, the only tough part is the FUCKING TIME
And trading morals/ethics and logic for authority, money, power and notoriety(?).
john tho You sound jealous.
Kyle Wheeler no he’s not jealous he knows the truth. I was raised by a trial attorney....notice I didn’t say my “father” and that’s because I was treated like a hostile witness for the opposing council all of my childhood and adulthood. When you even recognize your own father as a manipulative abusive pos you can verify that it’s true what everyone says about lawyers
Felic video The test itself is six hours per day for two or three days depending on what state you live in.
Depends on what state you took it in. Mikel1988, where did you take it?
These people passed the bar? What a sick joke
AND HE GETS TO BE A LAWYER?!
And they get to be lawyers? What a sick joke!
Better call Saul reference
I’m getting a panic attack just from watching this
The black guy is so confident I wished I believed in myself like he does lol
I passed the Bar so i got to find a Liquor store
KingDT2007 lavetttt lolll
Love the brother who said he was totally relaxed 😎
"It was the most amazing decision because Professor Roy told me I couldn't do it" hahaha yassss!!!!!!
Reminds me of the papers I had to clear during my training to be a paediatrician. 3 papers to clear in total before the final clinical exams.
Extremely challenging to study while working 90 to 100 hours a week. Only 1 weeekend off each month to organise my life. So thankful my husband was very supportive through those hard years.
The exams were like 4 hours per paper.
It was also held at very odd hours as I am in Asia and we had to follow the UK time when the exam was to start.
To pass any paper exams you have to have answered enough questions as practise. I failed some of the papers a couple of times and had to redo. My magic number was 6000. Do 6000 relevant practise questions before attempting any written exams. If you habe done so and 'pass' on your own practise. It is almost a guarantee that you will pass the real one.
This is legen wait for it dary ,legendary
What a bunch of chimps with a machinegun!
And how many sitting for the exam are on adderall?
L.Pasteur All of them, Louis.
L.Pasteur all
Haha
Lmao
The correct question is, how many college and grad school students are not taking adderall.
The day of the exam and there are so many thoughts and emotions. I do understand the tension, as this exam is the exam that three years of law school have been preparing these students.
When I took the California bar, quite a few people walked out, leaving their things at the desks. They never came back.
That bad huh?
Julia Brooks, yes, it was. The tension was so thick it was like a fog. The dreaded fear factor cannot be underestimated. And it is for real, with such a low pass rate. And it will get worse, I assure you. Applicants going outside to vomit, and so forth. I am admitted to two other state bars so I took the California Attorney Bar for family reasons, so I was not all that serious about actually passing. There was no multi-state on the attorney bar, so we had a day off. To tell the truth, the only "study" I did was memorize the specific probate code section numbers that we all knew were on the bar, at least at that time some 10 years ago. I would never advise anyone to go to law school, period. Too many lawyers, too few clients, and the practice is almost all the time underhanded, scheming, and on the verge of unethical behavior. I've known lots of lawyers who blatantly violate the ethical rules and the state bar ignores it. Many years ago law was an honorable, learned profession. It is not that now.
WHAT A SICK JOKE
What a sick joke
I enjoyed this. Thank you.
Today I visited law school of michigan .
I rellay enjoyed with this .
And I wish a one day speak about law women in my country of Iran because no freedom.
If I dont come here
Any way understand difference between them. Thank you so much.
I am taking the Uniform Bar Exam in July. I basically spend about 10-12 hours a day watching lectures, going over my notes, making flashcards, and taking practice multiple choice/ written questions. I found that law school itself wasn't very hard after the first year, and I really enjoyed some of my elective classes. This, however, is very grueling and discouraging. I want this to be over but also feel like I won't be ready in 3 weeks. But, this is also the most I have every prepared for anything in my entire life, so I have hopes that my work will pay off come test day. Law school and the bar is not just about learning the material, they are about weeding out people who cannot handle the stress of being an attorney. I worked at a civil rights firm throughout law school and they attorneys I worked with all manage to keep their cool despite having many, many cases that they are working on simultaneously. It's a tough profession, and it's no wonder that it takes so much work to get licensed.
Sanchito BOC how’d it go?
It wasn't easy, but I think I passed. We will see after September 12th, so keep your fingers crossed!
I passed!!!
@@sanchitoboc9224how's the career been 5 years later?
@@thorfinn7291 Thanks for asking! It's been mostly great! I finally feel a lot more confident in my work and I've been with the same firm for 4+ years now.
Dang, kudos to the five or so people that got interviewed and displayed confidence before taking the exam
Okay, the job market for attorneys at this point was pretty rough, which is why you have a lot of people saying that they didn't have a job. I remember I was a legal assistant at a small law firm that was hiring employees for 45k a year, which was ridiculous. Attorneys were accepting any position they could given that the job market was so bad.
Things improved, however. I am sure they are doing good now.
very good job, guys, nice interviews here
Well I'm gonna study since whenever I can (cuz I can't buy my own stuff) and I will hopefully nail this test in the far yet soon future
This remind me about the time took the P.E. to become a licensed engineer. I had to an 8 hour test to pass the FE then another 8 hour test for the P.E.
I love the jazzy instrumental beat in the background in this video. . .what's the name of it?
Terry E. Rucks Same, lol!
Terry E. Rucks Backstreet Breakz 2 years late but whatever :)
I just passed the bar exam i love these videos
was it hard? and how old are you?
This is Ny and while it's no doubt super hard these folks have it easy compared to CA bar takers!
Not necessarily. California’s passage rate is relatively low because Cal allows test takers who didn’t graduate from an ABA accredited law school. So the scores breakdown is a bit wonky in California. However it is a three day exam, which might be rough.
That said, a significant number of test takers from NY/NJ end up taking both exams which requires three straight days of testing.
It's one thing to miss the focus by a little bit here and there but ALL of the shots were out of focus.
The black guy with the sunglasses is a legend!! MY MAN!!! 😂😂😂😂
I passed the bar
Louisiana Bar Exam is a week long M,W,F /8am-5pm
My Bar is in two weeks at Kenya School of Law, time to freak out.....
so how did you end up doing?
+BeoJack it was fair, results ill be out on 15th March, I'm not ready for them to be honest
+kevin ngoya Did you pass my friend?
+333999 Blackbeard I passed all the nine papers, I still can't believe it
How are you doing now
An interesting question would be - If money wasn't a factor, would they have still pursued law?
See how many people would change their minds
***** what are you trying to say exactly ?
Same here. Which is why I'm studying law & not becoming a lawyer.
I'd say the majority of lawyers can barely make enough to even pay off their loans. Not many guys/gals make it to the big nyc or dc firms.
Daniel Kurzyna Agreed
If money wasn't a factor, we'd have many unemployed, unproductive people in this world. What's your point?
I am in high school and am interested in becoming a para legal. Can someone tell me online resources I could learn from? Is there a CZcams series or a blog somewhere? I am just starting out so I need your help, thanks.
Y'all should catch up with the people interviewed cause it would interesting to see what they are doing now
I wonder how many of them failed to find a job afterwards :/
"totally relaxed"
Well, sometimes you just need a damn drink!
I know a lot issues but let me see does the bar association have a form that it's delivered delivered to one purpose and yet a connection with wild cableconnections were full of oil and then what do we do do we give it back to that guy because normally you would know how do we fix that
"We used to make shit in this country, now we just put our hands in each other's pockets" Don't remember who said that but it's so pertinent
Quote from Frank Sobotka in The Wire
What I have to look forward to in three years...
“Person came in with alcohol”... Stress levels off the roof, that’s really sad...
I heard it's like hell
Agent Cobra Bubbles is extremely confident he’ll pass the exam and will be starting his own firm. he’s the coolest!
When I grow up I think I wanna be a lawyer I want to help people, I wish people would help each other more, and I would love to be included in helping others....
I want to know if the bar exam is going to have any to do with grievances
How many of them are graduates of the University of American Samoa?
and I want to know if the bar exam who apply the rules are they going to give me points for the years of trying to pass the bar exam I mean if I was to pass it the first time when I get any points for you know if I want to take it again
How many people pass the test?
Do we have any follow ups? 😂 would love to hear how the journey has been for them!
Imagine this is what it’ll be like trying to get your architecture license
I wish we knew the outcome for these people!
unemployment. or starbucks barista.
` why do u say that
bad idea...
I like how they ask the security gaurd, what it's like for him. :)
Atleast you can type your answers on a computer. Makes it so much easier than manually writing everything out.
All this to sever beers and cocktails?
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers. I knew it was 1216. One after Magna Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That billboard! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! *He* orchestrated it! Jimmy! He *defecated* through a *sunroof*! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I *thinking*? He'll never change. He'll *never* change! Ever since he was 9, *always* the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious *Jimmy*! Stealing them blind! And *HE* gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!
Now you can pass through the gate (bar) to the bench with your client who is lost at sea and has no standing.
Wish there was an update on these people
This may be a stupid question, but I was wondering can you Take the bar exam without having to law school? I’m nowhere close to a lawyer, nor will I ever be. I just want to see if I can pass the test.
no you need to go to an ABA approved law school to be able to sit for the bar exam
I'm 26 ditched college after few years. Thinking of going back . Working as salesman right now. Thinking this path
I wouldn't recommend it. Law is a highly saturated field and extremely hard to find a job in unless you attend a top-notch school and have good connections. The medical profession needs more people than ever right now. Consider becoming a nurse!
This video makes me nervous and i’m not even a law student
Connections are important and power .
Nah! Not me. I got to the bar at five o'clock. It was somewhere. Ordered a drink 🍸 for everyone and we all passed out after happy hour! We even got tested with some breathalyzer! I didn't pass but I will try the bar again though! 😅😅 Who's watching with me in 2024? Do you have bar experience like this video? Or your local bar 🍸 experience like me?
4000 more lawyers all looking for a piece of the action. And if there is no piece of the action for them, they will find a way to manufacture one.
Lawsuits in the making.
The illustration they gave us in law school went something like this: “One lawyer trying to practice in a small town will starve to death, but two lawyers can make a decent living.”
I was watching himym,how did I end up here?
Is Mike Ross there?
Looks like a lot of fun
Where are they now?
“You win some and you lose some, but you get paid for all of them.”
I pass the bar exam is that the Whitehall exam how to speak and then
I'm a dentist and will be a lawyer in Iraq, I wish to do Bar one day. I like challenging exams. ❤❤