if it's of interest, I did 4 of the 1080p timespy tests, all with the same CPU. note that the first test is an M15R3 with a 1080gtx in the graphics amplifier (though 3d Mark shows it as the onboard 1070) www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/1641875/spy/1639396/spy/1531684/spy/1451164 Tests are: M15 with external 1080GTX, M15 with internal 1070, M17 with internal 1080 and my old laptop with a 980M This was just what I wanted to know when I was choosing a laptop (ie how much better is it than my old laptop, what is a 1070 like compared to a 1080 and is the amplifier worth it). The interesting part is that the external 1080 is faster than the onboard 1080, which shows that the amplifier isn't noticeably throttling anything.
Gareth Brown what do you get if you hook up your 980m laptop to the amp and use the external gtx 1080. I think that would be useful as your other cpu is th i7 7820hk, top of the line..
OWNorDISOWN I can't sadly. my old laptop is an msi gt72 so can't use the amplifier. I was just impressed that the amplifier is faster than the best laptop gpu with everything else being equal. this would suggest that if there is any bandwidth limitation, it is not holding it back as a laptop, and the amp works as advertised. I thought it made a nice companion with what you did in the video. together they suggest that although the amp isn't as good as a desktop, it does lift a laptop much higher. in my case the amp is a significant increase fro. my on-board 1070 and runs faster than the on-board 1080gtx
Gareth Brown yes indeed, great info. I'll pin your comment so everyone sees it. I think the cpu then must be the limiting factor as I thought. Thanks again!
It's worth noting that the Skylake and newer models handle the PCI-E lanes slightly differently when it comes to the onboard graphics and the amplifier. This might be contributing to them not bottlenecking.
Yeah, this is so disappointing, I really wanted to keep my alienware laptop and just buy the amp, gpu, monitor and keyboard, but it seems cpu really bottlenecks hard, so its a no no now.
César Leiva I know, that was the purpose of my video... You can still use a gtx 970 or gtx 1060 probably and see some decent benefits but gtx 1080 I think you would waste your money ..
yes the cpu has alot too do with it but this guy is a fucking fool he has the cpu overclock at a high speed on the desktop because theys no way in hell he would getting that speed on a old cpu like that unless he has it overclock an i have a alienware 17 r4 with 16gb of ram an a 6th gen i7 6700hq that runs 2.6 an a 1070 an the damm thing runs far cry 5 an other games at 80 to 90 fps an so he is useind a 4gen laptop cpu with a 1080ti so wtf it seems like some body is full of shit some way are an other
@@OWNORDISOWN a AW M15 R3 i9 10980HK 32GB RAM (RTX2080 Max-Q + 4K OLED) should work pretty good with the Graphics Amplifier and a RTX3080/3090 (if the 3090 will fit) using a AW2721D or AW3420DW (I have both Monitors) eh? I have the Gfx Amp, just searching for a GPU like everyone else right now.
To understand the limiting factors, you will have to use GPUView / Nsight systems + Nsight Graphics. It will explain the communication between the CPU and GPU and also the utilization of the GPU. In any regard, given the fact that your GPU utilization is lower then 60% or so.. this is clearly an indicator that the main problem resides in the communication between the CPU and GPU. More testing would be required to see if this is introduced by the latency between those two or just simply the cap on the bandwidth introduced by 4 PCIe lanes (instead of 16).
It's a must to have the i7-7820HK if you want to maximize the Graphics Amplifier later on. Your 4710 HQ is like causing just 50% of what FPS I'm getting at R4 i7-7820HK + 1080ti GA
Very true, but the whole point of the amp is to extend the gaming performance of your laptop once it gets older and let's be frank here - more hq CPU models will be sold than hk models- so that is their intended target audience.
OWNorDISOWN youre right although a 6700hq or maybe a 7700hq would be faring better than the 4710hq. I'd say it was too early for its time a generation or 2 ago. I think its a win if they'd continue to adopt this proprietary standard going forward.
Angelo Dacanay I hope so because it is a great solution and is much more affordable than say the Razer Core. I think one problem has been that graphics cards have been getting more powerful quicker than cpu's. We are talking 30% improvements per generation compared to 10 to 15% with Intel. I am really pleased AMDs Ryzen has made Intel start releasing 6 core mainstream chips. And in 2nd half 2018 Eurocom will release a 15" laptop with Ice Lake, a 8 core, 16 thread cpu. I'm going to do a video on future proofing. It's a very hard thing to do with the rate components are progressing..
I put a thumbs up because just watching this is making me jealous. I have an Alienware 17 2014 but it has no thunderbolt 3 port. I can upgrade it GTX980m without setting the BIOS but I would really like to use an external eGPU. PS, I thought you looked like a young Peter Davidson from the Doctor Who Series and the Last Detective at first.
Those were my thoughts as well; I've got an Alienware 13 R3 with the 7700HQ and am thinking about getting the Dell graphics amplifier at some point. It would also be interesting to see it hooked up to an external monitor, I think it's accepted that sharing bandwidth for display return also doesn't help matters.
theimp67 I tested the gtx 1080ti and I get extremely wiered results like 20 fps on the internal monitor yet the 980ti was more typical. I have shot all the footage, just need to do the graphs and edit it. I'm golfing tonight so will work on that Thursday and have it up by Friday ☺️
@@OWNORDISOWN Mind if i ask if this was done? Currently trying to play ff15 with lags on my internal graphics card 970m with 6700hq skylake. Trying to gauge if aga worth it with skylake. thx
Very good video idea and you executed it nicely with plenty of useful info! I can definitely see improvement in your videos and i see that you made some of the changes we talked about a week ago in the graphs, though they still look dull for some reason. I think the easiest way to make them look very good is to use ms word or excel, they have sooo many options of customization
Cristian Constantin thanks Cristian ☺️ I was going to drop you a note and ask for feedback. As I say I use Swiff chart, perhaps you can download a trial and play with it a little.. Your help and advice is greatly appreciated!
i will definitely try to recreate some of your charts in my own way and i'll send you the finished images so you can see which one you prefer. I'm glad that I can help
Cristian Constantin cheers mate! Really appreciate it! Next thing for me to try and get the teleprompter down pat. Very hard to do. I give those news anchors credit ☺️
Hello Steve! it' s been 2 years from when you uploaded this video, but i think it is as much relevant as ever now, if not more. The topic is again Alienware, but this time the 51m (which is still a mess but can be solved much more easily than the m17 one): it does host desktop cpus, even tough ram is capped at 2666mhz ffs... maybe some bios mode could solve this, who knows. Does it make the 51m much more futureproof than other laptops with 8750h and soldered mobile cpus (not considering for now that it could be upgraded to further generations)? Considering that alienware makes the same laptop cost 650$ more when choosing a 2080 over a 2060, does it make more sense choosing the cheaper and gaming graphically intensive games at home with an egpu, say, a 2080ti?
It probably does make sense, certainly if you get the FHD display. The 2060 is more than capable at that resolution. The problem we have with the CPU is that when new ones come out , even if they are the same socket, will a new chipset be supported. My Clevo P870 with an i7 7700k could not be upgraded to an i7 8700k. My i7 8700k can be upgraded to the i9 9900k but needs a BIOS update. I agree with you though, the AMP is a great eGPU solution. Even with my i7 7700hq in my old AW13 it held its own against my Ryzen 7 1700x at 3.9 Ghz.
Well, I think this confirms that for me, it's a mixture of bandwidth and CPU limitations. With all the settings ramped up in Mass Effect Andromeda the frequent drops into the 40s and 50s are occurring because of these limitations, so for me it's just a matter of turning down the more CPU intensive settings and dropping bandwidth eaters and it runs just fine. On a side note, the Windows 10 CU (Creators' Update) has also dropped my computer's performance. It has created noticeable stutter on the desktop when hovering over icons, messed with the benchmarking software (CPU frame rate is all over the place) though that may just mean I'll have to reinstall the software, and overall just feels like nothing from it has really benefitted me.
OWNorDISOWN The CU has done different things to different computers from what I've been researching, which is making me wonder if Microsoft ever bothered to even test the update themselves as opposed to having the consumer test it for them before releasing it. It's like the release of the OS all over again. Tried installing it on my Pentium Dell laptop from 2009 (Inspiron 1545), and performance was horrible from the get go. Come to find out later Dell would not support hardware driver updates on the laptop if it had Windows 10 on it (meaning no drivers would be released to support the OS), making the reversion to 7 an easy choice for me on that computer.
Great video, i personally had the 17r3 with the gtx 1080 in the amp and played at 4k wonderfully. I7 6700hq and 32gb ripjaws ram @2400mhz on an external 4k tv. Although i also had the same bottlenecks at 1080p, once i cranked up the resolution the bottleneck went away and i would always get 99% gpu usage at 4k. This is why my next Alienware will have the 7820hk which i will overclock to its max as iunlock has on his fix. Got his to 4.7ghz on all 4 cores, so im guessing that cpu bottleneck should be much closer to the desktop at 1080p. But honestly, who is purchasing these laptops/gpus to play at 1080p anyway? The amplifier setup makes alot of sense to me as i would just come home and plug in my laptop to the amp and had my TV, home theatre system, keyboard and mouse, headset and hubs connected all with one plug. Great setup for people who travel with their pcs. Thanks again.
Mike Thanks for the info Mike. Yes, I agree with you. The best use case is hooking up to an external display rather than on your own laptop screen unless you have the QHD or 4k panel.
Also, id like to add that there are updates for the amplifier on Dells website which improve its performance, like support for pcie express 3.0. Not sure if you had the updates, but this is the best option by far for external graphics. I purchased my amplifier on amazon for $129. Cant go wrong with this setup especially with the new overclockable cpus. They even have them on sale on the online outlet store for great prices.
Dude thank you! There are some Niche things that some of us want to see, and you always end up delivering! Could you also try this with the alienware 15 r3 or the AW 17 R4? Haven't tried Memset yet as I don't understand how to OC RAM just yet, it seems super complicated from what I've seen online. Have you made a tutorial on that yet?
Bashfulfruit Thanks mate. I haven't used memset yet but will play around with it and see if I can put something useful together ☺️. I have a GDC PCIe dock coming in and loads of other good stuff lined up. I need more time, lol
Lol looking forward to it! Do you think maybe it could be a generation difference for the CPU bottle neck? I don't really understand this stuff, I'm curious whether a 6 or 7th gen CPU will still be bottlenecked. Appreciate you putting all his quality content out, how do you afford all this stuff!?
I'm going to try and find out what is causing the huge difference. I think some of the 1080p results could be because of using the laptops display versus an external display. I did do some tests on that and did see some improvements but not all the time. I will try again with the 1080ti..The only other difference was Windows 7 on my laptop - I don' think that would have made that much difference. I'm still leaning towards CPU bottleneck. I might even ask Alienware for their thoughts.. It will be interesting to see what the AW13 gets on.. Its tough financially for sure.I try and return if I can, the Aorus x3 v7 I wanted to keep if it wasn't hot but this amp thing took me so long I wasn't able to finish the Aorus review in time. So now have it on 12 months free credit and will try and repaste it. I have a bunch of stuff to sell to help pay for stuff. CZcams pays squat, perhaps enough to buy a $900 laptop after 12 months, lol
Yea definitely, youtube doesn't pay a high amount for sure, you'd have to upload multiple videos a day with a length of 20 minutes per video to make a decent income, and even then you'd have to be a huge channel.
You need to test with the 4790k underclocked to the same speed as the 4710hq along with the same memory speed for an apples to apples comparison. Also testing below 4k makes no sense when testing GPU limitations as you're only testing CPU limitations. With mobile 6 core Intel CPUs on the horizon CPU limitations aren't much of a concern and your tests are completely dependent on CPU limitations. Seems counter productive to me.
Christopher Gardiner I understand what you are saying but I wanted it to be applicable to a real world situation. No one will clock their i7 4790k at 2.5 cuz, that just does not make sense. The whole point is to replicate what soneone would do in real life. I am just about to upload a video with the Aorus fox 1080 graphics box . I test the Lenovo yoga 720 with an i7 7700hq that turbos to 3.8 ghz and a sager np9873 whose i7 7700k is at 4.7 ghz. They perforned the same, especially as you say at higher resolutions such as 2560 x 1440
Just a quick question, did you by any chance repasted your laptop in this video...I saw the temps and they look amazing, so just was wondering if they were stock paste or you repasted it? Keep up the great work and love the channel! :)
I'm sorry, I know this is old, but I am curious if the CPU temps are lower because the laptop doesn't have to try and cool both a GPU and a CPU at the same time. I'm curious because the combined heat of the GPU and CPU generally runs the laptop hot for me, but with the amp, that GPU cooling is offloaded to it's own dedicated enclosure which in theory should make the laptop cooler, correct?
hey! very informative videos! do you think you would be able to do a video comparing the alienware r4 UHD vs the QHD ? or have insight into the debate?
Hi John, glad you liked them ! Unfortunately I have only tried the 1080p IPS and QHD panels. Both of which are good, but on the cold side. I did, however, in my interview with liquid Hertz, talk about the QHD and UHD panels. At the time there was reports of banding on the QHD (which I never saw on either of the two ones I had) . You can see my video here, we talk about the screen around the 7 min mark: czcams.com/video/mXWdPYZaS9Q/video.html
brilliant review, thanks. I think the only thing missing though is the native you score. I know it's important to note that the amp isn't as good as a desktop, but it's worth knowing if it's significantly better than no dock. for a gaming laptop with a 1080p screen, most gfx cards are fine, but if you want a qhd or 4k large screen, is it worth It? ultimately it's a fancy docking station that also boosts performance. I found my m15(1070) with a 1080gtx in the amp out performed my m17 with an on-board 1080gtx.. same cpu in all tests
Gareth Brown thanks Gareth. Initially I did have a scoring system but asked the opinion of a subscriber what he thought and he advised against it. I was on the fence, I just wanted to quantify how much better something was but it wasn't an apples to apples test with the cpu disparity. It's a difficult one. I've done scoring before and get accused of being unfair..
OWNorDISOWN that's the worst part of CZcams, everyone is an "expert" it's a great video either way and something that so few people are doing. keep up the great work :)
MIKE CERRETA cheers Mike, that means a lot to me ☺️ I would love to try a GT83vr. I guess I would have bought one by now if they would slap a 120hz panel on it...
Really great video - was looking forward to this for a while. I really do wonder if my setup with an external monitor and an AW15 R3 (7700HQ/1060) would yield much difference in results if I got an AGA and a 1080Ti.
Thanks for listening! I have to admit I can't decide between 1080/1080Ti and just want to ensure I don't buy something which is constrained by the four lane AGA or CPU. Besides I have to use an external screen since my AW15 R3 came with GSync (was not labelled as such so it was surprise for me).
i have a AW 17 R2 with I7 4890Hq with a GA and a GTX 1080 , and I had complete different numbers! In Doom, for example, 130 fps avg in 1080p and High settings. Make sure u are using a external monitor, because with the notebook screen, you will have a poor result in fps.
That may be part of the issue. In Tomb Raider I did get more using the external display by 10% but it still lagged behind the desktop. But these differences are more than 10% so perhaps something else it at play. Is your CPU the 4980hq? That does turbo 500mhz faster too on a single core giving an extra 15% better performance than mine. I can't see that helping that much though. I still have the 1080 Ti, I can retest that using an external monitor to see if I still get 84 fps..
I have an alpha R1 with Gtx 970 on a Egpu, had to get rid of the i3 4130-T and bought i7 4790-T runs so much better and thinking bout picking up a 1060 as prices are cheap
Major flaw i'm seeing is the clockrates though, and the way a laptop won't boost all cores to max turbo. Like my 6600hq is on par with my old 3570k due to the 3570k being at such a higher clockspeed. That being said, really don't see why anybody would buy a dock for their laptop since you have to buy a gpu for one, and one costs not much less than a pc build
bigbenisdaman I guess it's more for those folks that have the laptop already.. The dock only cost me $135 on ebay but I wanted to let people know it makes no sense buying a 1080 to go with it unless you hook up an external, high resolution monitor.. Just wasting your money and as you say might as well build a desktop..
Nice comparison but.. The frames at 4k seems too low compared to some other benchmarks I have seen of the amp with the same cpu i7 4710hq. Others shows a 5-15% drop in performance loss.. And here it's 18-21% are you using the right bios?
Rock GamingTV might be due to windows 7? My employer slapped Windows 7 on it, perhaps that's the reason. You mention 15 % difference. In GTA V I saw 18%...
Hi Steve, its been a while since this video came out, and here now at 2021 with new generation of Alienware, currently Alienware M17 R3 with 10th intel Generation. Do you think that with this AMP, will bottleneck CPU still there? As what i have been through, both i7 8750H, 9760H and even my 10750H are at hot temperature (running games at 100*C). Also, although RTX mobile generation like 2070 and 2080 are very powerful, but with new RTX 3000 series are rolling out, will it keep good solution? thank you.
The benchmark seems very odd. It shouldn't be that bad actually (not that much of fps drop). It would be nice if you can test it in Windows 10 mode for Alienware laptop to be more fair comparison with desktop. Windows 10 is the new standard of gaming OS nowadays.
My Alienware 15R2 is now my work laptop and they put Windows 7 Professional on to comply with all our corporate systems. Unfortunately In won't be able to put windows 10 on it :( Others have reported similar findings with the 1080ti. I believe my CPU is holding it back..
I kinda upset when I saw the fact that CPU bottleneck new gen of GPU. Seems that this AGA thing wasn't a solid future prove solution for laptop gaming user like me. Since the integrated GPU disabled when AGA connected, you have extra heat and power budget to overclock the CPU in BIOS setting. Will it be helpful to relieve the bottleneck issue a little bit more?
Unless you have the unlocked max spec CPU in your Alienware laptop, you will not see max gains with your Alienware Amplifier and a high end GPU inside of it. I speak from experience, have tested this many times. The unlocked i7's make a huge difference in overall FPS.
Daniel R. Yes indeed, although the main benefit should be with lower end laptops to extend their lives such as an i7 7700hq/gtx 1060. One viewer said his i7 7820hk paired with a 1080ti was still 15% off the mark. Do you find that is the case on your set up?
OWNorDISOWN Yes, 10% off the mark compared to desktop performance is very normal. Usually closer to 5% in most cases, not exceeding 10%. The limitation is simply due to the loss during the transfer through the cable. It doesn't have the same speed as a desktop setup, which is very normal. An average of 8%-10% loss compared to desktop is always expected. PCIe 3.0 x4 bandwidth is the only limiting factor.
Daniel R. That's good to know. I do have one if those PCIe ones to attach to my WiFi card slot. Will test that in my Alienware 15R2 and perhaps my Aorus x3 v7
Do you have any issues with your graphics amplifier not properly working? I have the same setup with msi aero 1070 ti but it looks like it’s having a hard time switching graphics card
I've watched another video cant remember which cpu but it actually showed similar fps to pc and sometimes even better. Is this cpu dependent? I think it was the i7 7700
Can't wait to see this. If possible can I suggest you also zoom out a bit more when filming so it's more obvious if you're recording internal screen or external?
By routing video signal back to embedded monitor, you lost some bandwidth that could have been used on communicating to eGPU. Try with a external monitor directly connected to eGPU.
I have a 17 r3 with 4k display as well as an external monitor with 4k, the graphics card is the GTX 970m and right now I get all kinds of stuttering and tearing with 4k video (games at native 4k are a no go). The processor is an i7 6700HQ, do you think that the graphics amplifier and a GTX 1080 would help? I am also limited to 4k 30Hz on the HDMI cable and was hoping that I could add the card to get 60Hz but after watching this I am not sure if it would be worth it.
hey man, the CPU is literally crippling the GPU, its not the AGA , i run a 17 R3 with 6700HQ I7 @ 2.6GGHZ, and the results are double what you see on your laptop, so its for sure not the AGA, its only the CPU... Thanks!
César Leiva Yeh, the only mobile cpu that would keep up with that desktop cpu currently would be the i7 7820hk. That is until the Ryzen 6 and 8 core laptops start coming out...
Not the most tech savy, but I have an Alienware 17 r3 with a i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.6 GHz somehow running at 3.2GHz(probably some tinkering I did but no idea what lol) and a GTX 970M. I want to be able to play certain newer game titles while streaming. I am not currently able to do it, does this amp and a new videocard provide a good solution for me? I use OBS and from what I understand the new encoding feature for NVIDIA cards is supposed to use mostly GPU and pretty efficiently. Or is my CPU probably just not going to be able to handle it and I should look at grabbing a PC? Thanks for any tips.
I think your CPU will be just fine. I did a lot of tests using my AW 13 R3 and that had the i7 7700HQ and that was fine - even with an RTX 2080. I think you will be able to do your streaming just fine.
@@jdsilvestri I think up to an RTX 2080 you will be OK, but that is quite expensive. You can probably pick up some good cheap second hand Pascal cards like a GTX 1080 unless you need Ray Tracing for your streaming. What resolution monitor do you have? I have an 3840 x 1600 and my 2080 max Q still gets good frame rates in BF V , and that was about 5% behind my GTX 1080 notebook.
@@OWNORDISOWN I use a second monitor it is 1920 x 1080 60 hertz but I am also looking to upgrade that, looking for something that is 144 hertz and 1 ms response time but haven't thought much about my res yet.
Hi again! I was wondering I you knew of an external amplifying my that works well with the gt73vr Titan pro that we have? or at least if you hear if Msi will be providing a video card upgrade kit since the gpu uses the mxm slot? Cheers!
tchlin Hey there tchlin. You can use the Thunderbolt 3 port to either use the Razer Core or the new MSI GUS that is coming out. Alternatively you can use that GDC PCIe one I showed but you have to connect to your WiFi card which is a pain. I have one coming in to review.. You can buy mxm GPUs from some online sellers or eBay.. Cheers!
You should be able to just slot it in I think- I would do your research on line first, talk with MSI etc but the GT73VR is equipped to handle sli GTX 1070's so its pretty beefy..
I have asus rog strix 1080 ti card which i have put in my Alienware Graphic Amplifier which is connected to my Alienware 17 R3. I am playing Cod warzone but I cant run it at max setting. How do i fix it I have Low FPS
Did you run DDU in safe mode to uninstall the Nvidia driver? If not do that, and when the 1080Ti is attached install the drivers direct from the Nvidia website
@@OWNORDISOWN I have uninstalled using DDU and installed fresh drivers. Now on Normal settings i am getting average 80 FPS on my laptop screen set at 1080p 60 hz. After fresh install nvidea geforce experience optimized my game to higher settings but then i was gerting average of 60-65 FPS so lowered it. Getting a better gaming screen with 144 or 240 hz refresh rate will help?
I7 6700HQ and up would be better. Personelly no bottleck with my 15 R2 6700HQ with GTX 1080 in AGA for 2560x1080p ultra settings and 50 fps at 1440p. regards.
Even if this was all sunshine and rainbows and worked flawlessly it is still bound by the proprietary connection, even if i don't use a amplifier (and probably never will, laptops especial now have plenty of juice for my needs, and if i needed some very high performance power i would make a new PC) i think something like the one from razer is the superior choice thanks to the USB-C Thunderbolt connection that you can find on a good number of laptops and will only become more common. Granted it dose not work consistently on other laptops some fair better then others but at least you are not bound to alienware.
DWolf Review worth noting though that the alienware amp is half the price of the razor. If it lasts 2 years, until you would need to change it, you've saved money.
Gareth Brown i don't find it significant considering it locks you into just Alienware laptops. I know it may seem shocking :)) but there are other brands out there. My point was the proprietary connection not the price.
DWolf Review I think price is important. the alienware dock is £250 vs £500 for the razor core. when you add in the £400+ for the gpu, the razor starts looking expensive. so if you have an alienware laptop, sure the razor core will also fit your next laptop, but that's 1-2 years away. and in 1-2 years chances are that extra 250 saving buys you a newer dock, or is halfway to a newer gpu. that's without Dell discounts. I get the proprietary connection isn't as flexible as a usbc one, but at half the price and with better stability for now I'd say it's a win. you can get an alienware amp now and maybe in a year or so when the tech settles down get a cheaper usbc dock if you need one.
Gareth Brown ya sure all dandy if you are in some place in the US where you can get those discounts, and if you want to stay in that ecosystem. Even so I would not opt for one.
DWolf Review I totally understand. I just found that as I already had an alienware laptop it was madness to pay £500 for a razor core when the alienware amp was £250 and that's list price. once you buy a gaming laptop you are already locked in to that make for say 2 years at least so if, and only if, you have an alienware laptop and don't need the usbc flexibility until you change laptops then you would be mad to get the razor core. if after two years my next laptop needs a new dock, I can just throw the old one out and buy a newer better one, probably for closer to the £250 I saved. I'm not a fan of proprietary connections, but we are talking about a product with a lifespan of 2 years tops. in 2-3 years time there will be much h higher bandwidth systems.
@OWNORDISOWN ok ty very much! And 2nd question, is the razor version of this product is it the same as or will it connect? Sorry but had to ask ty again your the only person to answer a question I've had since 2012 lol 4 real.
Thank you for your time and effort I have a small question Im planning on buying the new Alienware laptop strictly for video and photo editing and im wondering what is the best configuration like GPU and CPU etc to go with and whay to concentrate on and also would an amplifier work in the future for improving edit timing
Aboodi OB Hi there, thanks for watching my video ☺️ strictly speaking a i7 7820hk model is your best choice as it overclocks well, and even though my model ran hot it maintained a high level of performance. Some people had the same cpu and it was fine. One even bought one from the outlet for $1700 and it was much cooler than mine. If your editing software is Cuda optimized then a higher powered GPu should help indeed. I've reviewed the AW17 with QHD screen and also the AW15 1080p last year. I have the Alienware 13 OLED to look at after my Aorus x3 v7 so stay tuned!
Alright thanks for your reply you hit most of my concerns but lastly is the i7-HQ is a good choice and what screen should i go with .. and again thank you so much
Aboodi OB The 1080p and QHD displays tend to be bright but a tad cold. Still good though, the QHD being preferred for gaming because of its 120hz refresh rate and higher resolution. If you want good battery life the ips is the one you want as you can use integrated graphics whilst the QHD won't allow it. You go from 3.45 mins on the FHD to nearly 7 or so on the 1080p IPS. The 4k panel is supposed to be the nicest one out there for colour accuracy. I haven't seen it though.
Thank you for your response so the final thing i sorry for any inconvenience Is there any chance for future upgrades in aw laptops for both CPU and GPU if I stick with a laptop for several years
Aboodi OB unfortunately not. Alienware had them soldered to the motherboard. With the MSI GT73VR you can switch out the GPu as they are mxm based. On many Clevo models you can use a desktop cpu so they can be switched and the GPu can be switched ad again that is mxm. Check out Hidevolution gentech Pc, Xoticpc, Eurocom.
one big error pointing out for everyone watching this video. Use an external monitor. In that case the bottleneck isnt there. You lose performance when you send the framebuffer back from the AGA to the internal screen. ALso it looks like you are using the wrong bios version (there was one on the AW15R1/17R2 that limited the AGA port to PCI express 1X instead of 4X. I strongly recommend rectifying the video.
If you look at the GTA V at 03:00 you will see the LG logo at the base of the monitor, this I was using an external monitor. I did a separate video showing the effects of internal v external monitor. I dont recall the BIOS version I used on the AW 15 R2, but I did flash it to the latest at the time. I did do follow up video using DDU to clean out drivers and did help, might want to check that out. I no longer have the laptop and have since done a video comparing the AMP to a Thunderbolt 3 eGPU and again I'm doing one now with an RTX 2080. All using an external monitor.
Hmm okay didnt catch that about the screen. Was going based on your table setup. But still something seems severely off. I have been using the AGA for the past 2 years until I just ditched it until the new cards would be released (started out with the AW15R2 980M and the AGA + 1070GTX and now have the AW15R3 with the 1070 already built in. Also have a desktop with the 1070GTX. And the 3Dmark, gaming benchmark scores have been pretty much identical with some variations ofcourse. Both with the AW15R3 and the AW15R2. The performance shouldnt be that low really. The video itself is great but the performance is way off for some reason which is hard to catch if it wasnt compared to other results. Dell mentioned it here by the way www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln302343/alienware-graphics-amplifier-working-at-pcie-1x?lang=en
@@zeronine-eightyfour Thanks for the link. At 04:30 I show Rainbow Six Siege with every setting maxed, not just Ultra, and this basically eliminates any CPU bottleneck even at 1080p. You can see that performance is very similar between the desktop and laptop, I would have thought if it was a pcie x 1 issue this would have equally been affected ? The follow up video I referred to was actually the one comparing internal and external displays, I redid it after using DDU. czcams.com/video/oJVnOJVSwWo/video.html Perhaps something else was going on but once more onus was put on the GPU versus the CPU results did seem to even out more.
I had it once before running on 1X and it seems to appear affect every game differently. Assassins Creed Origins was unplayable with the AGA on 1X. But battlefield 1 was just mildly affected. I dont know exact why but i guess the bandwidth isnt always an issue? The AGA is nothing more than a PCI express 3.0 4X slot so it should behave like that as is.
It will be interesting to see how it gets on against and TB3 eGPU and my Ryzen desktop with the 1080ti and RTX 2080 smackdown. Using an AW13 R3 for that test. I did do a similar test using the Aw13 R3 but at 3840 x 1600, pitted against a GTX 1080 laptop. The AMP was only 5% behind on average . czcams.com/video/G5yefTFu63w/video.html But the video I am working on now also includes 1080p, 2560 x 1440 so it will be interesting to see the results.
OWNorDISOWN did you compare on the laptop the difference in performance using the built in 1080p and using an external 1080p LCD? I heard there is a performance hit to feed back the video to the internal lcd screen.
OWNorDISOWN thank you for the quick reply! I've been following your videos and that's really the reason I ended up buying an Alienware 17r4 1070. I love what you're doing!
cpuchip2k Thanks, glad you like my stuff ☺️ I only did two tests with the gtx 1080 at 1080p using both internal and external. Rainbow Six Siege was 91 fps internal and 95 external but Tomb Raider was 82 internal and 98 external. I think I used the internal in my results as I figured if you are playing 1080p you would just use your own laptop screen.. I will do a follow up video using my gtx 1080ti to test internal and external...
Eviel Castro Azamar you know I could probably do it by the weekend. My AW13 just got bricked doing a bios flash so I might have to send it in for repair if I can't fix it tonight.
dell claims that their graphic amp port delivers better fps than, other external graphic enclosure thunderbolt 3. can you compare this amplifier with other external graphic docks
so i have the r4 17 with the i7 6700hq i want to run at 1440p and i am going to use a dell s2716dg monitor should i just leave the gpu alone and use the internal gtx 1070 or would you recommend i get the amplifier with a 1080 to get the extra fps? i want to play gtav and pub g please help i am new to pc world and i dont want to buy something that is not going to benefit my performance
Victor Pena hi Victor. Looking at my Gigabyte P57xv7 review, I tested BF1 at 1440p and that had a gtx 1070/ i7 7700hq and got 68 fps. A best case scenario with a gtx 1080 is 89 fps (that was by sager np 9873). Your AW17 R4 will perform less than that with a gtx 1080 in the amp, GTA V and BF1 both love fast cpu's and the i7 6700hq will slow it down a tad plus you will lose some fps because of the amp. Perhaps 80 fps.. In GTA V at near max settings with my gtx 1080 sager Np9873 I got 127 fps and my AW17 R4 with Gtx 1080 got 115 fps - both below the 144 hz monitor refresh rate. The point I'm making is that unless you dial down some settings you won't be getting 144 fps on either game with either card.. Gsync will make it nice and smooth anyway so I would just stick with the 1070 in your notebook and play on your monitor. Buying the amp and a gtx 1080 won't really give you much benefit..
Outputting to an external monitor using an external GPU will mean the internal GPU will not be used - and as such the temperature of the CPU usually goes down as there are usually shared heat pipes between the two.
I'm curious. Will an external GPU help reduce the internal temps of my AW 17 R4? I have the 1070 one with an i7-7700HQ processor. Manufacturing date is January 2017.
I just test my alienware 17 r2 (i7 4890 hq) with the graphic amplifier and a gtx 1080 , and It runs Doom 140fps in 1080p at high settings. I think there is something wrong. Try the fire strike. I had 16000 with the graphics amplifier and gtx 1080.
I also play the exact same sequence in my tests. For example, before I go into the room to fight the FPS is 10 more...so you also get some fluctuation within the game
You get even more FPS, like 170 ! I'm at a loss. Tomorrow I will try the 1080ti in Doom, external monitor 1080p, I returned the 1080...Could it be my laptop has windows 7? Shouldn't make that much difference...Thanks for posting. I'm using the 220W PSU as well, I'll have to see if the CPU is throttling or something.
I have the R4 7700hq 3.4 Ghz with DDR4 2666 and it bottleneck my RTX 2080 TI ... at 1440p the higher the graphic settings the better it runs so I set everything on ultra to get smooth, crazy :)) but I want to play games not fpss
Thanks for sharing. I tried my 2080 in my AmP and the AW13 R3 with i7 7700 hq and compared it against my desktop with a Ryzen 7 1700x at 3.9 GHz and the difference was quite small. So it looks like the 2080 is the limit then. Good to know.
I see. I am just curious to see if the new chipset better utilized the amplifier's GPU. The 6700hq performance with egpu's via alienware amplifier has been dissapointing, so I was hoping to find the new chipset possibly improve utilization of the egpu's.
Hello Steve! I am planning to use the AGA to run multiple displays(projectors) and also different content on each. As in, not as extended or duplicated screen. Since my gpu on the AGA will have 2hdmi, 2dp, i am hoping i will be able to achieve this. Is this possible? Will there be a lag in the refresh rate and sync? Thanks...
Surfaraz hi Surfaraz, I havent used more than two monitors before but I found this software that let's you have each monitor have it's own taskbar so you can run independent stuff on each www.actualtools.com/multiplemonitors/
Dear Steve..Thank you for the quick response and for the link. You see, I am actually trying to figure out if I can have different videos playing on 4different projectors via a single gpu in the AGA.. I am hoping to replicate what media servers do in a projection mapping setup.
Surfaraz Doesn't that software solve your problem? You have 4 projectors hooked up to your video card and using that software each video output is treated as a separate PC as far as I can see. You can open up a video on each and let it play on each projector ? Or am I missing something ? I'm sure you laptop can handle it.
I have the new 17 R5 i9 with GTX 1080. if I got the AGA with a 1080ti, how much performance will I gain over the internal gtx1080, using an external 2k 144hz monitor thanks
I never understood when people compared locked mobile chips to unlocked overclocked desktop ones. Both laptop processors and desktop ones have locked and unlocked versions, so why would you compare the slowest mobile version to the fastest desktop one? This unfair comparison honestly makes zero sense to me.
Well 443 people don't seem to agree with you...The premise of the Amplifier, and indeed, any eGPU is to allow a less powerful notebook to play games close to what a desktop can do This isn't a video about what the laptop CPU can do versus the desktop CPU. The AMP is thus expected to prolong the life of what can be an aging laptop and as time goes on the CPU will become increasingly LESS comparable to the desktop CPU. That is the premise of this video
OWNorDisown did you ask every person who clicked a like to this video about this matter? I don't think so. I gave a like to it, by your logic I disagree with myself, so I think most people ignored this because they either don't know how important it is or just don't care. and even though in time the difference between 2 cpus will be less and less, this doesn't change that in your tests CPU played a huge role. Heck, you even mentioned the CPU bottleneck in case of the laptop yourself. Again - comparing the slowest mobile CPU and the fastest desktop one(within normal consumer market, not counting productivity workstations now) is plain wrong. You either compare a locked mobile chip with the same desktop locked one, or overclocked mobile chip with overclocked desktop one. It's like comparing a cheap small car to a huge, expensive truck in horsepower.
I know what you are saying, however there are many people with R2 generation Alienware laptops and they may be wondering whether to buy a new laptop or use an AMP and desktop GPU to extend the life of their laptop. Alienware touts that you will desktop like performance, and indeed with the R3 generation with i7 7700hq , this bottleneck is less. However, with the R2, the bottleneck means that they don’t need to spend say $600 on the most expensive GPU and can save hundreds of dollars on a graphics card a few tiers down as you will get similar performance. Thus this video is VERY useful for those people and I fail to see why you think that information is not relevant to those people.
OWNorDisown I never said that information from this video is useless. I just said that comparing a low tier mobile chip to a high tier overclocked one is wrong. If you don't have a locked processor you could have just lowered it's clockspeed to the locked desktop counterpart speed, like i7 4770 level, because there are also alienware laptops with unlocked CPU-s, no? It was a still a useful and informative video, I just think comparing processors in this way and then saying that mobile CPU is bottlenecking the GPU is wrong.
@@TabalugaDragon I get you. I could have done that but my way of thinking was that if that person decided to build a desktop instead they may but a CPU that was unlocked and run it at it's max. Perhaps I should have done it both ways. As it was it took ages to do. Indeed, I think there was one unlocked mobile CPU available in laptops during that period but of course I didn't have one on hand. The i7 4710hq was very popular, much like the i7 6700hq after it.
Brobotjox well, like I said in my introduction the whole purpose of an external dock is to give extra gaming umph to what would be an aging laptop.. If you were to buy a new laptop every year to use with your dock it wouldn't really make much sense.. I do have an AW13 OLED, which I am sure has an i7 7700hq in it. I will do the same tests on it as part of my full review as that will help users of the current generation of laptop users ☺️
Oh I know, and I appreciate that -- but much has changed since the 4710HQ -- and many of us are new to the AW series. Could you maybe run superposition (pure GPU test)? That might help solidify the answer. Thanks for all you do!
Brobotjox thanks! I did run Firestrike but silly me didn't record the graphics score.. My desktop has now been switched to Ryzen. Been wanting to do a video on that so will do a follow up on that and do the graphics score in Firestrike. I will also test that AW 13. Sorry these things take so long to do.. I work full time too. You can't believe how long it took to these tests.. Carrying my desktop upstairs and hooking it up to my TV, lol.
Steve it would have been interesting to run these test using an 17 R4 with a 7820HK or 7700HQ comparing the laptop GTX 1070 or 1080 vs the Amplifier with a desktop GTX 980ti, GTX 1070 and 1080 cards.
I did tr y with the i7 7820hk AW17R4 but it wiped by boot manager twice and I had to do two full system resets..don't know what was going on there. It was when it was just released..
Hi, so you have the model with the GTX 1050ti ? Yes, that only has 2GB vRAM and if you attach the AGA and say include a GTX 1070 in it you will have 8GB vRAM to play with which will help if you play at higher resolution and details - so 2560 x 1440 for example.
Hi, Did you use the stock power supply with all these graphics cards? I've had my amplifier for a while but only now I decided to get the 980ti for it. The recommended power is 600w while the stock ps only makes 460. Was it running fine?
Michael Lurie yes, I used the stock power supply with the amp. I don't believe that is an issue. The power supply that ships with a gtx 1080 laptop is 330W and that powers the cpu, screen etc and it doesn't get to that level under load. 400W is fine.
Thanks for the reply By the way, were any of the gpus you tried factory overclocked? I want to get one that is but on the official dell website they say that it might be a problem.
@@OWNORDISOWN so should i expect the performance around the points shown in your graph huh, and in you testing method did you hook up external monitor?
@@akarshadithya5479 yes, I used an external monitor. I remember doing a video around the same time showing the difference. My performance numbers should provide a good indication for you 👍 make sure to use DDU to clean out drivers first.
Billy Buff when I get a new model I would try it again. I did try it on the i7 7820hk AW17 R4 but it messed up my boot manager. Of course, the purpose of the amplifier is to extend the gaming life of your notebook so using an older notebook is actually more relevant. But of course it's nice to know how the new ones perform say outputting to a higher resolution display.
OWNorDISOWN I think it'd be beneficial to see how far exactly laptops have one with the 7830hk with a 1080/1080ti and how it would fair against a desktop.. No one's done it yet
Billy Buff like I said, I tried to do it with that model. Mentioned it in my review of the AW17 R4 i7 7820hk / gtx 1080 and twice my boot manager got messed up. I'm hoping to get an AW13 OLED at some point to review and I will definitely hook that up to the amplifier and my 1080ti.
MIKE CERRETA I would ha e thought so Mike. I think the main issue is that for older laptops with non-overclockable cpu's they don't reach a high enough turbo boost and some cpu overhead is used to run the dock. As long as your i7 7820hk maintains a high frequency it should be good. In my test on that cpu it performs fast even when hot..
hi there buddy, am sure you'll reply once more as I see my new Alienware 15 r3 kabylake running at an average frequency of 3.4 all the time when it's just browsing that I do and nothing intensive... is this normal???
Idrees Mohad is it plugged in to a power source? If so then yes that's normal. I would expect if you are running on battery you would dip down to about 800mhz.
OWNorDISOWN thanks mate, you at times have saved me from a heart attack, I don't know how to thank you, yes it's plugged in!! so that's what the reason is!! thanks a tonne!!! you made my day mate....
OWNorDISOWN I was wondering to downgrade to windows 7 given the stability it has, would I miss out on something big if I do that given that I've an Alienware 15 r3, or does it mean no difference??
Which sucks cuz now I have to shell out 160 for the amp, 400 for a good card, and 500 for a low range i7 for my AW 13 r2 to even run at more than 20 fps on BF1, i swear for 1,900 $$ this computer has been a disappointment
Goob_16 I hear your pain. Like my AW15 R2, only about 18 months old and can't use high end graphics cards now.. I think it pays to get the best cpu you can unfortunately.
That sucks, well at least it will have good airflow ! Question: I have had some difficuty getting decent framerates in say Rise Of the Tomb Raider using the laptop monitor - I was getting like 18 fps. Its like Optimus was screwing with me. Are you using an external monitor ?
You are attributing all of the lower results of the laptop down to CPU bottleneck whilst not acknowledging the desktop is running PCI-e x16 and the laptop is x4....
marcuscooke I mentioned the amp has 4 PCIe lanes early on in the video, other people have tested using the i7 7820hk and reported better results, still slightly behind the desktop so cpu overhead and those restricted number of lanes no doubt do have an effect. The purpose of this video was to see whether a previous gen Alienware laptop could hold its own with today's top cards and I think it shows that well, regardless of the cause.
I understand, but the thing that swayed me in that direction was Rainbow Six Siege. At absolute max settings the GPU is working the most and if there was any major limitation due to the x4 PCie lane then the % difference in frame rate would be replicated here - but instead we only see 5 fps difference on the GTX 1080. To me, this suggests something else is at play in games that are affected more by the CPU.
you video very usefull thank for your share about tips, review..... I have a problem with my alienware 17r3 Spec (6820HK 980m) and my friend have it too (15r1 4710HQ 17r4 6700HQ) all have problem with CPU and frequency drop when i play some game in normal it my cpu speed is 3.30 mhz but when i playing game it drop into 800mhz and GPU not load max it only load about 50 60% and fps drop so much Dota2 normal 120FPS when it drop all way 20 30FPS.... and my friend have the same problem too.... Plz help me.......
What are your CPU temps like? You can see thermal throttling if it gets too hot - perhaps around 93/95 deg C ...That is what I think is the main cause could be. Can you check and report back?
i try change another adapter 240W change OS change bios and overclock CPU too but after 15 minute stresstest it going to drop 800 mhz :'( It's so weird right ?
Hahahah i imagine. I would love if u include some performance test on witcher 3 he is very gpu demanding. Gpu demanding games and cpu demanding games, and some bench test with futuremark heaven etc... ;) I think what is bottlonecking there is the ddr3 ram.
Please ! My aw13 will arrive at 11 or 12 i will make some stuff. Like underclock the cpu, repaste cpu and gpu and put 32gb ddr4 3000mhz ram. I already got the evga 1080ti waiting for the laptop and the dock haha. I will play on a 3440x1440 monitor from acer. x34 with 100hz.
Get a better damn CPU lol. If you're dropping $600-1000 for the external amplifier, make sure your CPU and handle the load or overclock. I'm going for the I7-7820hk at at least 4.2Ghz in my laptop with this config and a 1080 ti so I'll be able to give you some results from a person actually utilizing it.
lol go for a "k" cpu version if you'd like to unlock the full cpu and gpu potential. I currently have a 7700hq but I'm stuck at 3.6ghz boost. I should have the 7820hk and test it next week. I'll be repasting with liquid metal too shortly after for even better temps and performance so it should be dramatically better than the results you're getting.
Pewpiepiepewper what results did you see with the i7 7700hq? I did try it on the AW17 R4 i7 7820hk but it wiped my boot manager twice so I gave up. Yes, you should see better performance but the whole point of the amplifier is to extend the life of your notebook gaming wise and I feel, perhaps the cpu's cannot keep up with the graphic cards..
I haven't gotten the amplifier yet but I can test it next week when it arrives, although I do have this repasted to liquid metal so it would differ from stock. lol I'm sure more people have FPS and gaming in mind rather than longevity. The cpu's can keep up, you'll just have to get the higher end in the laptops.
Tyler Crebs well, I bricked my aw13 r3 doing a bios update. I don't have another alienware to test.. I'm doing a comparison between external and internal monitor at the moment. Without a doubt the external monitor is best with the 1080ti and the desktop cpu is better than the i7 4710hq notebook cpu at 1080p
if it's of interest, I did 4 of the 1080p timespy tests, all with the same CPU. note that the first test is an M15R3 with a 1080gtx in the graphics amplifier (though 3d Mark shows it as the onboard 1070)
www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/1641875/spy/1639396/spy/1531684/spy/1451164
Tests are: M15 with external 1080GTX, M15 with internal 1070, M17 with internal 1080 and my old laptop with a 980M
This was just what I wanted to know when I was choosing a laptop (ie how much better is it than my old laptop, what is a 1070 like compared to a 1080 and is the amplifier worth it).
The interesting part is that the external 1080 is faster than the onboard 1080, which shows that the amplifier isn't noticeably throttling anything.
Gareth Brown what do you get if you hook up your 980m laptop to the amp and use the external gtx 1080. I think that would be useful as your other cpu is th i7 7820hk, top of the line..
OWNorDISOWN I can't sadly. my old laptop is an msi gt72 so can't use the amplifier. I was just impressed that the amplifier is faster than the best laptop gpu with everything else being equal.
this would suggest that if there is any bandwidth limitation, it is not holding it back as a laptop, and the amp works as advertised.
I thought it made a nice companion with what you did in the video. together they suggest that although the amp isn't as good as a desktop, it does lift a laptop much higher.
in my case the amp is a significant increase fro. my on-board 1070 and runs faster than the on-board 1080gtx
Gareth Brown yes indeed, great info. I'll pin your comment so everyone sees it. I think the cpu then must be the limiting factor as I thought. Thanks again!
It's worth noting that the Skylake and newer models handle the PCI-E lanes slightly differently when it comes to the onboard graphics and the amplifier. This might be contributing to them not bottlenecking.
Love your videos mate. Raw, off the cuff and full of great content.
theenclave cheers mate! That's really nice of you to say so ☺️
Anytime brother. Keep doing what your doing. Also it's adorable with the kids chair in the background! Don't change a thing!
theenclave lol, I noticed that afterwards. I thought, "bollocks" I should have spotted that! Cheers buddy.
Looks like we need external CPU instead of GPU
lol, that was funny. I agree too ! Get one patented :)
Yeah, this is so disappointing, I really wanted to keep my alienware laptop and just buy the amp, gpu, monitor and keyboard, but it seems cpu really bottlenecks hard, so its a no no now.
César Leiva I know, that was the purpose of my video... You can still use a gtx 970 or gtx 1060 probably and see some decent benefits but gtx 1080 I think you would waste your money ..
yes the cpu has alot too do with it but this guy is a fucking fool he has the cpu overclock at a high speed on the desktop because theys no way in hell he would getting that speed on a old cpu like that unless he has it overclock an i have a alienware 17 r4 with 16gb of ram an a 6th gen i7 6700hq that runs 2.6 an a 1070 an the damm thing runs far cry 5 an other games at 80 to 90 fps an so he is useind a 4gen laptop cpu with a 1080ti so wtf it seems like some body is full of shit some way are an other
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Chill.
How was your day sir?
Yes!!! ive been waiting for this!~!
Mike me too!! We meet again Mike.. Lol
Mike i hope it helps you Mike!
@@OWNORDISOWN a AW M15 R3 i9 10980HK 32GB RAM (RTX2080 Max-Q + 4K OLED) should work pretty good with the Graphics Amplifier and a RTX3080/3090 (if the 3090 will fit) using a AW2721D or AW3420DW (I have both Monitors) eh? I have the Gfx Amp, just searching for a GPU like everyone else right now.
Great video, just what I was looking for :)
Owen Burton glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
To understand the limiting factors, you will have to use GPUView / Nsight systems + Nsight Graphics. It will explain the communication between the CPU and GPU and also the utilization of the GPU. In any regard, given the fact that your GPU utilization is lower then 60% or so.. this is clearly an indicator that the main problem resides in the communication between the CPU and GPU. More testing would be required to see if this is introduced by the latency between those two or just simply the cap on the bandwidth introduced by 4 PCIe lanes (instead of 16).
Fantastic job as always!!! Thank you, you make a lot of other review sites/magazines/ agencies redundant :)
Сергей Журавлёв Thank you so much! You just made my day ☺️ Appreciate your kind words mate!
It's a must to have the i7-7820HK if you want to maximize the Graphics Amplifier later on. Your 4710 HQ is like causing just 50% of what FPS I'm getting at R4 i7-7820HK + 1080ti GA
Very true, but the whole point of the amp is to extend the gaming performance of your laptop once it gets older and let's be frank here - more hq CPU models will be sold than hk models- so that is their intended target audience.
OWNorDISOWN youre right although a 6700hq or maybe a 7700hq would be faring better than the 4710hq. I'd say it was too early for its time a generation or 2 ago. I think its a win if they'd continue to adopt this proprietary standard going forward.
Angelo Dacanay I hope so because it is a great solution and is much more affordable than say the Razer Core. I think one problem has been that graphics cards have been getting more powerful quicker than cpu's. We are talking 30% improvements per generation compared to 10 to 15% with Intel. I am really pleased AMDs Ryzen has made Intel start releasing 6 core mainstream chips. And in 2nd half 2018 Eurocom will release a 15" laptop with Ice Lake, a 8 core, 16 thread cpu.
I'm going to do a video on future proofing. It's a very hard thing to do with the rate components are progressing..
I put a thumbs up because just watching this is making me jealous. I have an Alienware 17 2014 but it has no thunderbolt 3 port. I can upgrade it GTX980m without setting the BIOS but I would really like to use an external eGPU. PS, I thought you looked like a young Peter Davidson from the Doctor Who Series and the Last Detective at first.
Please do this with the new i7 7700hq ddr4 ^^. If possible with the new alienware 13
ThorVeras that's the plan ☺️
Great ! Looking forward to it.
Those were my thoughts as well; I've got an Alienware 13 R3 with the 7700HQ and am thinking about getting the Dell graphics amplifier at some point. It would also be interesting to see it hooked up to an external monitor, I think it's accepted that sharing bandwidth for display return also doesn't help matters.
theimp67 I tested the gtx 1080ti and I get extremely wiered results like 20 fps on the internal monitor yet the 980ti was more typical. I have shot all the footage, just need to do the graphs and edit it. I'm golfing tonight so will work on that Thursday and have it up by Friday ☺️
@@OWNORDISOWN Mind if i ask if this was done? Currently trying to play ff15 with lags on my internal graphics card 970m with 6700hq skylake. Trying to gauge if aga worth it with skylake. thx
awesome channel, good reviews and overviews
Cheers mate, appreciate it !
Love this video thank you so much! hope your all good after the flood!
JooJoo Flop hey there! Thanks ☺️ the carpet is still up but this weekend I will do a clear out and set it up again. Thanks for asking!
Very good video idea and you executed it nicely with plenty of useful info! I can definitely see improvement in your videos and i see that you made some of the changes we talked about a week ago in the graphs, though they still look dull for some reason. I think the easiest way to make them look very good is to use ms word or excel, they have sooo many options of customization
Cristian Constantin thanks Cristian ☺️ I was going to drop you a note and ask for feedback. As I say I use Swiff chart, perhaps you can download a trial and play with it a little.. Your help and advice is greatly appreciated!
i will definitely try to recreate some of your charts in my own way and i'll send you the finished images so you can see which one you prefer. I'm glad that I can help
Cristian Constantin cheers mate! Really appreciate it! Next thing for me to try and get the teleprompter down pat. Very hard to do. I give those news anchors credit ☺️
Do one for the Alienware Alpha!!!
Hello Steve! it' s been 2 years from when you uploaded this video, but i think it is as much relevant as ever now, if not more.
The topic is again Alienware, but this time the 51m (which is still a mess but can be solved much more easily than the m17 one): it does host desktop cpus, even tough ram is capped at 2666mhz ffs... maybe some bios mode could solve this, who knows.
Does it make the 51m much more futureproof than other laptops with 8750h and soldered mobile cpus (not considering for now that it could be upgraded to further generations)?
Considering that alienware makes the same laptop cost 650$ more when choosing a 2080 over a 2060, does it make more sense choosing the cheaper and gaming graphically intensive games at home with an egpu, say, a 2080ti?
It probably does make sense, certainly if you get the FHD display. The 2060 is more than capable at that resolution. The problem we have with the CPU is that when new ones come out , even if they are the same socket, will a new chipset be supported. My Clevo P870 with an i7 7700k could not be upgraded to an i7 8700k. My i7 8700k can be upgraded to the i9 9900k but needs a BIOS update. I agree with you though, the AMP is a great eGPU solution. Even with my i7 7700hq in my old AW13 it held its own against my Ryzen 7 1700x at 3.9 Ghz.
Very informative. Great vid as usual.
Cheers mate ! How are things going ? Thanks for stopping by again :)
dramatic beginning!
dubstep dolphin lol, you know me ☺️
Well, I think this confirms that for me, it's a mixture of bandwidth and CPU limitations. With all the settings ramped up in Mass Effect Andromeda the frequent drops into the 40s and 50s are occurring because of these limitations, so for me it's just a matter of turning down the more CPU intensive settings and dropping bandwidth eaters and it runs just fine.
On a side note, the Windows 10 CU (Creators' Update) has also dropped my computer's performance. It has created noticeable stutter on the desktop when hovering over icons, messed with the benchmarking software (CPU frame rate is all over the place) though that may just mean I'll have to reinstall the software, and overall just feels like nothing from it has really benefitted me.
Zachary Goterch Yeh, I think you mentioned that before about the update. I hope they can patch it.. Thanks for the info!
OWNorDISOWN The CU has done different things to different computers from what I've been researching, which is making me wonder if Microsoft ever bothered to even test the update themselves as opposed to having the consumer test it for them before releasing it.
It's like the release of the OS all over again. Tried installing it on my Pentium Dell laptop from 2009 (Inspiron 1545), and performance was horrible from the get go. Come to find out later Dell would not support hardware driver updates on the laptop if it had Windows 10 on it (meaning no drivers would be released to support the OS), making the reversion to 7 an easy choice for me on that computer.
Zachary Goterch Yeh, I hear you. I've been too busy to check if any of the ones I'm testing even have the update..
OWNorDISOWN It's all good. Just remember to catch a break every once in a while. No one likes to see a CZcamsr get burnt out from too much work :)
Zachary Goterch very good point. Doing my full time job, family life and this youtube is very taxing. I do need a break.. Cheers buddy.
Great video, i personally had the 17r3 with the gtx 1080 in the amp and played at 4k wonderfully. I7 6700hq and 32gb ripjaws ram @2400mhz on an external 4k tv. Although i also had the same bottlenecks at 1080p, once i cranked up the resolution the bottleneck went away and i would always get 99% gpu usage at 4k. This is why my next Alienware will have the 7820hk which i will overclock to its max as iunlock has on his fix. Got his to 4.7ghz on all 4 cores, so im guessing that cpu bottleneck should be much closer to the desktop at 1080p. But honestly, who is purchasing these laptops/gpus to play at 1080p anyway? The amplifier setup makes alot of sense to me as i would just come home and plug in my laptop to the amp and had my TV, home theatre system, keyboard and mouse, headset and hubs connected all with one plug. Great setup for people who travel with their pcs. Thanks again.
Mike Thanks for the info Mike. Yes, I agree with you. The best use case is hooking up to an external display rather than on your own laptop screen unless you have the QHD or 4k panel.
Also, id like to add that there are updates for the amplifier on Dells website which improve its performance, like support for pcie express 3.0. Not sure if you had the updates, but this is the best option by far for external graphics. I purchased my amplifier on amazon for $129. Cant go wrong with this setup especially with the new overclockable cpus. They even have them on sale on the online outlet store for great prices.
I would see those figures using an external monitor instead of the laptop monitor, I believe that would be very different
well, I did that one ages ago too ! czcams.com/video/gRKO1B3xNjc/video.html
Dude thank you! There are some Niche things that some of us want to see, and you always end up delivering! Could you also try this with the alienware 15 r3 or the AW 17 R4? Haven't tried Memset yet as I don't understand how to OC RAM just yet, it seems super complicated from what I've seen online. Have you made a tutorial on that yet?
Bashfulfruit Thanks mate. I haven't used memset yet but will play around with it and see if I can put something useful together ☺️. I have a GDC PCIe dock coming in and loads of other good stuff lined up. I need more time, lol
Lol looking forward to it! Do you think maybe it could be a generation difference for the CPU bottle neck? I don't really understand this stuff, I'm curious whether a 6 or 7th gen CPU will still be bottlenecked. Appreciate you putting all his quality content out, how do you afford all this stuff!?
I'm going to try and find out what is causing the huge difference. I think some of the 1080p results could be because of using the laptops display versus an external display. I did do some tests on that and did see some improvements but not all the time. I will try again with the 1080ti..The only other difference was Windows 7 on my laptop - I don' think that would have made that much difference. I'm still leaning towards CPU bottleneck. I might even ask Alienware for their thoughts.. It will be interesting to see what the AW13 gets on.. Its tough financially for sure.I try and return if I can, the Aorus x3 v7 I wanted to keep if it wasn't hot but this amp thing took me so long I wasn't able to finish the Aorus review in time. So now have it on 12 months free credit and will try and repaste it. I have a bunch of stuff to sell to help pay for stuff. CZcams pays squat, perhaps enough to buy a $900 laptop after 12 months, lol
Yea definitely, youtube doesn't pay a high amount for sure, you'd have to upload multiple videos a day with a length of 20 minutes per video to make a decent income, and even then you'd have to be a huge channel.
Bashfulfruit yep, I'm gonna sign up on Patreon.
You need to test with the 4790k underclocked to the same speed as the 4710hq along with the same memory speed for an apples to apples comparison. Also testing below 4k makes no sense when testing GPU limitations as you're only testing CPU limitations. With mobile 6 core Intel CPUs on the horizon CPU limitations aren't much of a concern and your tests are completely dependent on CPU limitations. Seems counter productive to me.
Christopher Gardiner I understand what you are saying but I wanted it to be applicable to a real world situation. No one will clock their i7 4790k at 2.5 cuz, that just does not make sense. The whole point is to replicate what soneone would do in real life.
I am just about to upload a video with the Aorus fox 1080 graphics box . I test the Lenovo yoga 720 with an i7 7700hq that turbos to 3.8 ghz and a sager np9873 whose i7 7700k is at 4.7 ghz. They perforned the same, especially as you say at higher resolutions such as 2560 x 1440
Excellent video. Thanks!
Thanks David ! Appreciate you watching 👍
Just a quick question, did you by any chance repasted your laptop in this video...I saw the temps and they look amazing, so just was wondering if they were stock paste or you repasted it? Keep up the great work and love the channel! :)
Hey Luis, thanks for watching my stuff :) This is just stock paste, so yeh, I am happy about the temps :)
I'm sorry, I know this is old, but I am curious if the CPU temps are lower because the laptop doesn't have to try and cool both a GPU and a CPU at the same time. I'm curious because the combined heat of the GPU and CPU generally runs the laptop hot for me, but with the amp, that GPU cooling is offloaded to it's own dedicated enclosure which in theory should make the laptop cooler, correct?
hey! very informative videos! do you think you would be able to do a video comparing the alienware r4 UHD vs the QHD ? or have insight into the debate?
Hi John, glad you liked them ! Unfortunately I have only tried the 1080p IPS and QHD panels. Both of which are good, but on the cold side. I did, however, in my interview with liquid Hertz, talk about the QHD and UHD panels. At the time there was reports of banding on the QHD (which I never saw on either of the two ones I had) . You can see my video here, we talk about the screen around the 7 min mark: czcams.com/video/mXWdPYZaS9Q/video.html
Thank you so much! very helpful!
brilliant review, thanks.
I think the only thing missing though is the native you score.
I know it's important to note that the amp isn't as good as a desktop, but it's worth knowing if it's significantly better than no dock.
for a gaming laptop with a 1080p screen, most gfx cards are fine, but if you want a qhd or 4k large screen, is it worth It?
ultimately it's a fancy docking station that also boosts performance. I found my m15(1070) with a 1080gtx in the amp out performed my m17 with an on-board 1080gtx.. same cpu in all tests
Gareth Brown thanks Gareth. Initially I did have a scoring system but asked the opinion of a subscriber what he thought and he advised against it. I was on the fence, I just wanted to quantify how much better something was but it wasn't an apples to apples test with the cpu disparity. It's a difficult one. I've done scoring before and get accused of being unfair..
OWNorDISOWN that's the worst part of CZcams, everyone is an "expert"
it's a great video either way and something that so few people are doing.
keep up the great work :)
Also your one of my few channels i watch . Have you done a review in the Msi gt83vr?
MIKE CERRETA cheers Mike, that means a lot to me ☺️ I would love to try a GT83vr. I guess I would have bought one by now if they would slap a 120hz panel on it...
This would have been a great video if you could have showed the laptops GPU as well you did and one slide but that was it
Thanks for the suggestion. This video was a long time ago and I have changed many things on how I present data since then.
Really great video - was looking forward to this for a while. I really do wonder if my setup with an external monitor and an AW15 R3 (7700HQ/1060) would yield much difference in results if I got an AGA and a 1080Ti.
jacejai sure, I can do that ☺️
jacejai I will be doing the same test using my AW13. I think that has the same cpu i7 7700hq..
Thanks for listening! I have to admit I can't decide between 1080/1080Ti and just want to ensure I don't buy something which is constrained by the four lane AGA or CPU. Besides I have to use an external screen since my AW15 R3 came with GSync (was not labelled as such so it was surprise for me).
jacejai I'll try and get to do a test this weekend for you mate.
how do u get those gpu stats in corner?
I download MSI Afterburner and configure the on Screen display in the settings.
too bad they didn't leave the internal gpu data = (
i have a AW 17 R2 with I7 4890Hq with a GA and a GTX 1080 , and I had complete different numbers! In Doom, for example, 130 fps avg in 1080p and High settings.
Make sure u are using a external monitor, because with the notebook screen, you will have a poor result in fps.
And make sure u are using high performance power settings.
That may be part of the issue. In Tomb Raider I did get more using the external display by 10% but it still lagged behind the desktop. But these differences are more than 10% so perhaps something else it at play. Is your CPU the 4980hq? That does turbo 500mhz faster too on a single core giving an extra 15% better performance than mine. I can't see that helping that much though. I still have the 1080 Ti, I can retest that using an external monitor to see if I still get 84 fps..
Tatiana Andrade my settings are ultra.. Can you retest?
I have an alpha R1 with Gtx 970 on a Egpu, had to get rid of the i3 4130-T and bought i7 4790-T runs so much better and thinking bout picking up a 1060 as prices are cheap
Major flaw i'm seeing is the clockrates though, and the way a laptop won't boost all cores to max turbo. Like my 6600hq is on par with my old 3570k due to the 3570k being at such a higher clockspeed. That being said, really don't see why anybody would buy a dock for their laptop since you have to buy a gpu for one, and one costs not much less than a pc build
bigbenisdaman I guess it's more for those folks that have the laptop already.. The dock only cost me $135 on ebay but I wanted to let people know it makes no sense buying a 1080 to go with it unless you hook up an external, high resolution monitor.. Just wasting your money and as you say might as well build a desktop..
Nice comparison but.. The frames at 4k seems too low compared to some other benchmarks I have seen of the amp with the same cpu i7 4710hq. Others shows a 5-15% drop in performance loss.. And here it's 18-21% are you using the right bios?
Rock GamingTV might be due to windows 7? My employer slapped Windows 7 on it, perhaps that's the reason. You mention 15 % difference. In GTA V I saw 18%...
OWNorDISOWN yeah might be cuz of windows 7
Hi Steve, its been a while since this video came out, and here now at 2021 with new generation of Alienware, currently Alienware M17 R3 with 10th intel Generation. Do you think that with this AMP, will bottleneck CPU still there? As what i have been through, both i7 8750H, 9760H and even my 10750H are at hot temperature (running games at 100*C). Also, although RTX mobile generation like 2070 and 2080 are very powerful, but with new RTX 3000 series are rolling out, will it keep good solution? thank you.
That's why it's good to get one with an i-7 HK and overclock it.
David Effiong I agree totally with you.
The benchmark seems very odd. It shouldn't be that bad actually (not that much of fps drop). It would be nice if you can test it in Windows 10 mode for Alienware laptop to be more fair comparison with desktop. Windows 10 is the new standard of gaming OS nowadays.
My Alienware 15R2 is now my work laptop and they put Windows 7 Professional on to comply with all our corporate systems. Unfortunately In won't be able to put windows 10 on it :( Others have reported similar findings with the 1080ti. I believe my CPU is holding it back..
I kinda upset when I saw the fact that CPU bottleneck new gen of GPU. Seems that this AGA thing wasn't a solid future prove solution for laptop gaming user like me. Since the integrated GPU disabled when AGA connected, you have extra heat and power budget to overclock the CPU in BIOS setting. Will it be helpful to relieve the bottleneck issue a little bit more?
Teng Wong I am hoping that a skylake or Kaby Lake CPU will help. I did have an AW13 OLED to test it but it broke so I have to get another one..
Unless you have the unlocked max spec CPU in your Alienware laptop, you will not see max gains with your Alienware Amplifier and a high end GPU inside of it. I speak from experience, have tested this many times. The unlocked i7's make a huge difference in overall FPS.
Daniel R. Yes indeed, although the main benefit should be with lower end laptops to extend their lives such as an i7 7700hq/gtx 1060. One viewer said his i7 7820hk paired with a 1080ti was still 15% off the mark. Do you find that is the case on your set up?
OWNorDISOWN Yes, 10% off the mark compared to desktop performance is very normal. Usually closer to 5% in most cases, not exceeding 10%. The limitation is simply due to the loss during the transfer through the cable. It doesn't have the same speed as a desktop setup, which is very normal. An average of 8%-10% loss compared to desktop is always expected. PCIe 3.0 x4 bandwidth is the only limiting factor.
Daniel R. That's good to know. I do have one if those PCIe ones to attach to my WiFi card slot. Will test that in my Alienware 15R2 and perhaps my Aorus x3 v7
Yes, I saw that. It was very good!
Do you have any issues with your graphics amplifier not properly working? I have the same setup with msi aero 1070 ti but it looks like it’s having a hard time switching graphics card
Did you run DDU first? That's a good idea , clean out all drivers then with it connected install the desktop GPU driver.
Great idea and video Tally Ho
Thanks mate!
Looks like the big daddy 🤪
I've watched another video cant remember which cpu but it actually showed similar fps to pc and sometimes even better. Is this cpu dependent? I think it was the i7 7700
sup3rskrull I think the cpu plays a big part. I will be testing my AW 13 soon, hopefully that does better!
Can't wait to see this. If possible can I suggest you also zoom out a bit more when filming so it's more obvious if you're recording internal screen or external?
By routing video signal back to embedded monitor, you lost some bandwidth that could have been used on communicating to eGPU. Try with a external monitor directly connected to eGPU.
周琰 I used an external monitor...that is how I compared it directly to a desktop
OWNorDisown ah, my bad. Thank you for the video.
I have a 17 r3 with 4k display as well as an external monitor with 4k, the graphics card is the GTX 970m and right now I get all kinds of stuttering and tearing with 4k video (games at native 4k are a no go). The processor is an i7 6700HQ, do you think that the graphics amplifier and a GTX 1080 would help? I am also limited to 4k 30Hz on the HDMI cable and was hoping that I could add the card to get 60Hz but after watching this I am not sure if it would be worth it.
Yes, I think that will really help you !
hey man, the CPU is literally crippling the GPU, its not the AGA , i run a 17 R3 with 6700HQ I7 @ 2.6GGHZ, and the results are double what you see on your laptop, so its for sure not the AGA, its only the CPU... Thanks!
Thanks for sharing the info ! Yes, I agree with you. Sucks really as its not really that bad a CPU.
OWNorDISOWN yea true , but i am really happy with the 6700hq , and planning on upgrading to R4 in the future , i really love the idea if the AGA..
But even with a 6700 still on 2.6 ghz vs the desktop 4.7+ ghz I suppose desktop still beat it hard?
César Leiva Yeh, the only mobile cpu that would keep up with that desktop cpu currently would be the i7 7820hk. That is until the Ryzen 6 and 8 core laptops start coming out...
Will you be testing this amplifier with the Kaby Lake and Pascal tech?
Robert Stitt I still have the amplifier so if I can get another Alienware I will do so
Not the most tech savy, but I have an Alienware 17 r3 with a i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.6 GHz somehow running at 3.2GHz(probably some tinkering I did but no idea what lol) and a GTX 970M. I want to be able to play certain newer game titles while streaming. I am not currently able to do it, does this amp and a new videocard provide a good solution for me? I use OBS and from what I understand the new encoding feature for NVIDIA cards is supposed to use mostly GPU and pretty efficiently. Or is my CPU probably just not going to be able to handle it and I should look at grabbing a PC? Thanks for any tips.
I think your CPU will be just fine. I did a lot of tests using my AW 13 R3 and that had the i7 7700HQ and that was fine - even with an RTX 2080. I think you will be able to do your streaming just fine.
@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks a lot! What would be your suggestion for the GPU to pair with the amp?
@@jdsilvestri I think up to an RTX 2080 you will be OK, but that is quite expensive. You can probably pick up some good cheap second hand Pascal cards like a GTX 1080 unless you need Ray Tracing for your streaming. What resolution monitor do you have? I have an 3840 x 1600 and my 2080 max Q still gets good frame rates in BF V , and that was about 5% behind my GTX 1080 notebook.
@@OWNORDISOWN I use a second monitor it is 1920 x 1080 60 hertz but I am also looking to upgrade that, looking for something that is 144 hertz and 1 ms response time but haven't thought much about my res yet.
Hi again! I was wondering I you knew of an external amplifying my that works well with the gt73vr Titan pro that we have? or at least if you hear if Msi will be providing a video card upgrade kit since the gpu uses the mxm slot? Cheers!
tchlin Hey there tchlin. You can use the Thunderbolt 3 port to either use the Razer Core or the new MSI GUS that is coming out. Alternatively you can use that GDC PCIe one I showed but you have to connect to your WiFi card which is a pain. I have one coming in to review.. You can buy mxm GPUs from some online sellers or eBay.. Cheers!
Thanks! I guess without an official msi mom gpu kit it probably won't work due to inefficient cooling right?
You should be able to just slot it in I think- I would do your research on line first, talk with MSI etc but the GT73VR is equipped to handle sli GTX 1070's so its pretty beefy..
I have asus rog strix 1080 ti card which i have put in my Alienware Graphic Amplifier which is connected to my Alienware 17 R3. I am playing Cod warzone but I cant run it at max setting. How do i fix it I have Low FPS
Did you run DDU in safe mode to uninstall the Nvidia driver? If not do that, and when the 1080Ti is attached install the drivers direct from the Nvidia website
@@OWNORDISOWN I have uninstalled using DDU and installed fresh drivers. Now on Normal settings i am getting average 80 FPS on my laptop screen set at 1080p 60 hz. After fresh install nvidea geforce experience optimized my game to higher settings but then i was gerting average of 60-65 FPS so lowered it. Getting a better gaming screen with 144 or 240 hz refresh rate will help?
Great Video!!!!
Thanks mate !
I7 6700HQ and up would be better. Personelly no bottleck with my 15 R2 6700HQ with GTX 1080 in AGA for 2560x1080p ultra settings and 50 fps at 1440p. regards.
Yes I agree. No bottleneck with my i7 7700hq AW13 R3 either :)
From your testing, it seems like the amplifier has a capacity of 3.5 to 4 TFlops performance.
Who tf uses teraflops to measure performance lol
Even if this was all sunshine and rainbows and worked flawlessly it is still bound by the proprietary connection, even if i don't use a amplifier (and probably never will, laptops especial now have plenty of juice for my needs, and if i needed some very high performance power i would make a new PC) i think something like the one from razer is the superior choice thanks to the USB-C Thunderbolt connection that you can find on a good number of laptops and will only become more common. Granted it dose not work consistently on other laptops some fair better then others but at least you are not bound to alienware.
DWolf Review worth noting though that the alienware amp is half the price of the razor. If it lasts 2 years, until you would need to change it, you've saved money.
Gareth Brown i don't find it significant considering it locks you into just Alienware laptops. I know it may seem shocking :)) but there are other brands out there. My point was the proprietary connection not the price.
DWolf Review I think price is important.
the alienware dock is £250 vs £500 for the razor core. when you add in the £400+ for the gpu, the razor starts looking expensive.
so if you have an alienware laptop, sure the razor core will also fit your next laptop, but that's 1-2 years away.
and in 1-2 years chances are that extra 250 saving buys you a newer dock, or is halfway to a newer gpu.
that's without Dell discounts. I get the proprietary connection isn't as flexible as a usbc one, but at half the price and with better stability for now I'd say it's a win.
you can get an alienware amp now and maybe in a year or so when the tech settles down get a cheaper usbc dock if you need one.
Gareth Brown ya sure all dandy if you are in some place in the US where you can get those discounts, and if you want to stay in that ecosystem. Even so I would not opt for one.
DWolf Review I totally understand. I just found that as I already had an alienware laptop it was madness to pay £500 for a razor core when the alienware amp was £250 and that's list price.
once you buy a gaming laptop you are already locked in to that make for say 2 years at least
so if, and only if, you have an alienware laptop and don't need the usbc flexibility until you change laptops then you would be mad to get the razor core.
if after two years my next laptop needs a new dock, I can just throw the old one out and buy a newer better one, probably for closer to the £250 I saved.
I'm not a fan of proprietary connections, but we are talking about a product with a lifespan of 2 years tops. in 2-3 years time there will be much h higher bandwidth systems.
What size graphics card can you use can you use a 3 fan card inside
this goes to show that thunderbolt 4 is needed.
GiveLove777 that would be nice!
Can you answer please simple question will this connect to my Alienware M18xr2?
I don't see the AMP port listed on its spec sheet. You need that for it to work.
@OWNORDISOWN ok ty very much! And 2nd question, is the razor version of this product is it the same as or will it connect? Sorry but had to ask ty again your the only person to answer a question I've had since 2012 lol 4 real.
Thank you for your time and effort
I have a small question
Im planning on buying the new Alienware laptop strictly for video and photo editing and im wondering what is the best configuration like GPU and CPU etc to go with and whay to concentrate on and also would an amplifier work in the future for improving edit timing
Aboodi OB Hi there, thanks for watching my video ☺️ strictly speaking a i7 7820hk model is your best choice as it overclocks well, and even though my model ran hot it maintained a high level of performance. Some people had the same cpu and it was fine. One even bought one from the outlet for $1700 and it was much cooler than mine. If your editing software is Cuda optimized then a higher powered GPu should help indeed.
I've reviewed the AW17 with QHD screen and also the AW15 1080p last year. I have the Alienware 13 OLED to look at after my Aorus x3 v7 so stay tuned!
Alright thanks for your reply you hit most of my concerns but lastly is the i7-HQ is a good choice and what screen should i go with .. and again thank you so much
Aboodi OB The 1080p and QHD displays tend to be bright but a tad cold. Still good though, the QHD being preferred for gaming because of its 120hz refresh rate and higher resolution. If you want good battery life the ips is the one you want as you can use integrated graphics whilst the QHD won't allow it. You go from 3.45 mins on the FHD to nearly 7 or so on the 1080p IPS. The 4k panel is supposed to be the nicest one out there for colour accuracy. I haven't seen it though.
Thank you for your response so the final thing i sorry for any inconvenience
Is there any chance for future upgrades in aw laptops for both CPU and GPU if I stick with a laptop for several years
Aboodi OB unfortunately not. Alienware had them soldered to the motherboard. With the MSI GT73VR you can switch out the GPu as they are mxm based. On many Clevo models you can use a desktop cpu so they can be switched and the GPu can be switched ad again that is mxm. Check out Hidevolution gentech Pc, Xoticpc, Eurocom.
one big error pointing out for everyone watching this video. Use an external monitor. In that case the bottleneck isnt there. You lose performance when you send the framebuffer back from the AGA to the internal screen. ALso it looks like you are using the wrong bios version (there was one on the AW15R1/17R2 that limited the AGA port to PCI express 1X instead of 4X. I strongly recommend rectifying the video.
If you look at the GTA V at 03:00 you will see the LG logo at the base of the monitor, this I was using an external monitor. I did a separate video showing the effects of internal v external monitor. I dont recall the BIOS version I used on the AW 15 R2, but I did flash it to the latest at the time.
I did do follow up video using DDU to clean out drivers and did help, might want to check that out.
I no longer have the laptop and have since done a video comparing the AMP to a Thunderbolt 3 eGPU and again I'm doing one now with an RTX 2080. All using an external monitor.
Hmm okay didnt catch that about the screen. Was going based on your table setup. But still something seems severely off. I have been using the AGA for the past 2 years until I just ditched it until the new cards would be released (started out with the AW15R2 980M and the AGA + 1070GTX and now have the AW15R3 with the 1070 already built in. Also have a desktop with the 1070GTX. And the 3Dmark, gaming benchmark scores have been pretty much identical with some variations ofcourse. Both with the AW15R3 and the AW15R2.
The performance shouldnt be that low really. The video itself is great but the performance is way off for some reason which is hard to catch if it wasnt compared to other results.
Dell mentioned it here by the way www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln302343/alienware-graphics-amplifier-working-at-pcie-1x?lang=en
@@zeronine-eightyfour Thanks for the link. At 04:30 I show Rainbow Six Siege with every setting maxed, not just Ultra, and this basically eliminates any CPU bottleneck even at 1080p. You can see that performance is very similar between the desktop and laptop, I would have thought if it was a pcie x 1 issue this would have equally been affected ?
The follow up video I referred to was actually the one comparing internal and external displays, I redid it after using DDU.
czcams.com/video/oJVnOJVSwWo/video.html
Perhaps something else was going on but once more onus was put on the GPU versus the CPU results did seem to even out more.
I had it once before running on 1X and it seems to appear affect every game differently. Assassins Creed Origins was unplayable with the AGA on 1X. But battlefield 1 was just mildly affected. I dont know exact why but i guess the bandwidth isnt always an issue? The AGA is nothing more than a PCI express 3.0 4X slot so it should behave like that as is.
It will be interesting to see how it gets on against and TB3 eGPU and my Ryzen desktop with the 1080ti and RTX 2080 smackdown. Using an AW13 R3 for that test. I did do a similar test using the Aw13 R3 but at 3840 x 1600, pitted against a GTX 1080 laptop. The AMP was only 5% behind on average .
czcams.com/video/G5yefTFu63w/video.html
But the video I am working on now also includes 1080p, 2560 x 1440 so it will be interesting to see the results.
OWNorDISOWN did you compare on the laptop the difference in performance using the built in 1080p and using an external 1080p LCD? I heard there is a performance hit to feed back the video to the internal lcd screen.
cpuchip2k I did indeed, there was like a 10% perfect hit in some games, others not. I'll look at my notes in the morning..
OWNorDISOWN thank you for the quick reply! I've been following your videos and that's really the reason I ended up buying an Alienware 17r4 1070. I love what you're doing!
cpuchip2k Thanks, glad you like my stuff ☺️ I only did two tests with the gtx 1080 at 1080p using both internal and external. Rainbow Six Siege was 91 fps internal and 95 external but Tomb Raider was 82 internal and 98 external. I think I used the internal in my results as I figured if you are playing 1080p you would just use your own laptop screen.. I will do a follow up video using my gtx 1080ti to test internal and external...
Hi, do you have an estimate of when you could upload the video comparing the results using the AGA and an external monitor?
Eviel Castro Azamar you know I could probably do it by the weekend. My AW13 just got bricked doing a bios flash so I might have to send it in for repair if I can't fix it tonight.
dell claims that their graphic amp port delivers better fps than, other external graphic enclosure thunderbolt 3. can you compare this amplifier with other external graphic docks
I can't afford to buy a $600 Razer core but I do have a GDC PCIe one coming in and will test that..
ok, so what do you think as per your experience, is dell graphics amp is really faster than thunderbolt 3 enclosures
I also watched a video mentioned that this amplifier is better and faster than the thunderbolt ones
where is that video i want to see
so i have the r4 17 with the i7 6700hq i want to run at 1440p and i am going to use a dell s2716dg monitor should i just leave the gpu alone and use the internal gtx 1070 or would you recommend i get the amplifier with a 1080 to get the extra fps?
i want to play gtav and pub g
please help i am new to pc world and i dont want to buy something that is not going to benefit my performance
Victor Pena hi Victor. Looking at my Gigabyte P57xv7 review, I tested BF1 at 1440p and that had a gtx 1070/ i7 7700hq and got 68 fps. A best case scenario with a gtx 1080 is 89 fps (that was by sager np 9873). Your AW17 R4 will perform less than that with a gtx 1080 in the amp, GTA V and BF1 both love fast cpu's and the i7 6700hq will slow it down a tad plus you will lose some fps because of the amp. Perhaps 80 fps..
In GTA V at near max settings with my gtx 1080 sager Np9873 I got 127 fps and my AW17 R4 with Gtx 1080 got 115 fps - both below the 144 hz monitor refresh rate.
The point I'm making is that unless you dial down some settings you won't be getting 144 fps on either game with either card.. Gsync will make it nice and smooth anyway so I would just stick with the 1070 in your notebook and play on your monitor. Buying the amp and a gtx 1080 won't really give you much benefit..
Do this for the new 3000 series please!!!
That's my plan :) Just have to find a 3080 in stock :(
Are you saying that outputting to a better monitor is easier on your CPU?
Outputting to an external monitor using an external GPU will mean the internal GPU will not be used - and as such the temperature of the CPU usually goes down as there are usually shared heat pipes between the two.
I'm curious. Will an external GPU help reduce the internal temps of my AW 17 R4? I have the 1070 one with an i7-7700HQ processor. Manufacturing date is January 2017.
Adeptus Odren you know, I never thought of that. I think it will help as the internal GPu is deactivated. Good question!
I hope you do a video about it soon! :)
Adeptus Odren I'll check that test when I do my AW13 review. It's a very good point you raised ☺️
Thanks! Looking forward to it.
I just test my alienware 17 r2 (i7 4890 hq) with the graphic amplifier and a gtx 1080 , and It runs Doom 140fps in 1080p at high settings. I think there is something wrong. Try the fire strike. I had 16000 with the graphics amplifier and gtx 1080.
I still have the 1080ti, I will retest that, making sure to use an external monitor at 1080p and let you know if I get a better result.
Thanks for uploading this. Your settings are different..Here are mine:
AA: TSSAA (8x), Motion Blur HIGH, Chromatic Aberation-yes, FOV 90 (these are the same as yours) , Light Quality: Ultra, Shaders Ultra, Directional Occlusion Quality HIGH, Decal Quality ULTRA, Decal Filtering Anistropic 4x, Virtual Text size - ULTRA, Reflections HIGH, Particles ULTRA, Compute Shaders- YES, Motion Blur ULTRA, Everything else probably same as you. Can you try that?
I also play the exact same sequence in my tests. For example, before I go into the room to fight the FPS is 10 more...so you also get some fluctuation within the game
You get even more FPS, like 170 ! I'm at a loss. Tomorrow I will try the 1080ti in Doom, external monitor 1080p, I returned the 1080...Could it be my laptop has windows 7? Shouldn't make that much difference...Thanks for posting. I'm using the 220W PSU as well, I'll have to see if the CPU is throttling or something.
I have the R4 7700hq 3.4 Ghz with DDR4 2666 and it bottleneck my RTX 2080 TI ... at 1440p the higher the graphic settings the better it runs so I set everything on ultra to get smooth, crazy :)) but I want to play games not fpss
Thanks for sharing. I tried my 2080 in my AmP and the AW13 R3 with i7 7700 hq and compared it against my desktop with a Ryzen 7 1700x at 3.9 GHz and the difference was quite small. So it looks like the 2080 is the limit then. Good to know.
Why wouldn't you have tested this with the new i7 7820hk that you just reviewed? The newer cpus would surely give better results.
Dylan Stovall I tried too. I mentioned in the review of the AW17 R4 that it deleted my boot manager twice..
OWNorDISOWN I see, I must have misunderstood the issue there. Was only the 1080ti attempted on the machine or another variety as well?
Dylan Stovall only the 1080ti as I saw no benefit stepping down in video card class...
I see. I am just curious to see if the new chipset better utilized the amplifier's GPU. The 6700hq performance with egpu's via alienware amplifier has been dissapointing, so I was hoping to find the new chipset possibly improve utilization of the egpu's.
Dylan Stovall I do have am i7 7700hq Alienware 13 to review so I will be testing that with the Amplifier ☺️
Hello Steve! I am planning to use the AGA to run multiple displays(projectors) and also different content on each. As in, not as extended or duplicated screen. Since my gpu on the AGA will have 2hdmi, 2dp, i am hoping i will be able to achieve this. Is this possible? Will there be a lag in the refresh rate and sync?
Thanks...
Surfaraz hi Surfaraz, I havent used more than two monitors before but I found this software that let's you have each monitor have it's own taskbar so you can run independent stuff on each
www.actualtools.com/multiplemonitors/
Dear Steve..Thank you for the quick response and for the link. You see, I am actually trying to figure out if I can have different videos playing on 4different projectors via a single gpu in the AGA.. I am hoping to replicate what media servers do in a projection mapping setup.
Surfaraz Doesn't that software solve your problem? You have 4 projectors hooked up to your video card and using that software each video output is treated as a separate PC as far as I can see. You can open up a video on each and let it play on each projector ? Or am I missing something ?
I'm sure you laptop can handle it.
I guess it should solve this..unless the mapping software outputs get independant taskbars. Nothing for sure until i try it. :)
Perhaps they have a free trial? Let me know how it works out, I might have to review it :)
So is the desktop better or are they more even?
I have the new 17 R5 i9 with GTX 1080.
if I got the AGA with a 1080ti, how much performance will I gain over the internal gtx1080, using an external 2k 144hz monitor
thanks
ali alkhunayn you will lose about 10% due to the amp so that will be a net 20% improvement.
that's awesome .. I only wanna do it so the CPU can enjoy the heatsink alone as I need it to be overclocked at 5ghz all time
@@akhn7188 how did this go in the end? I want to use the AGA to keep the laptop CPU cooler.
I never understood when people compared locked mobile chips to unlocked overclocked desktop ones. Both laptop processors and desktop ones have locked and unlocked versions, so why would you compare the slowest mobile version to the fastest desktop one? This unfair comparison honestly makes zero sense to me.
Well 443 people don't seem to agree with you...The premise of the Amplifier, and indeed, any eGPU is to allow a less powerful notebook to play games close to what a desktop can do This isn't a video about what the laptop CPU can do versus the desktop CPU.
The AMP is thus expected to prolong the life of what can be an aging laptop and as time goes on the CPU will become increasingly LESS comparable to the desktop CPU.
That is the premise of this video
OWNorDisown did you ask every person who clicked a like to this video about this matter? I don't think so. I gave a like to it, by your logic I disagree with myself, so I think most people ignored this because they either don't know how important it is or just don't care.
and even though in time the difference between 2 cpus will be less and less, this doesn't change that in your tests CPU played a huge role. Heck, you even mentioned the CPU bottleneck in case of the laptop yourself. Again - comparing the slowest mobile CPU and the fastest desktop one(within normal consumer market, not counting productivity workstations now) is plain wrong. You either compare a locked mobile chip with the same desktop locked one, or overclocked mobile chip with overclocked desktop one.
It's like comparing a cheap small car to a huge, expensive truck in horsepower.
I know what you are saying, however there are many people with
R2 generation Alienware laptops and they may be wondering whether to buy a new
laptop or use an AMP and desktop GPU to extend the life of their laptop. Alienware
touts that you will desktop like performance, and indeed with the R3 generation
with i7 7700hq , this bottleneck is less.
However, with the R2, the bottleneck means that they don’t
need to spend say $600 on the most expensive GPU and can save hundreds of
dollars on a graphics card a few tiers down as you will get similar
performance. Thus this video is VERY useful for those people and I fail to see
why you think that information is not relevant to those people.
OWNorDisown I never said that information from this video is useless. I just said that comparing a low tier mobile chip to a high tier overclocked one is wrong. If you don't have a locked processor you could have just lowered it's clockspeed to the locked desktop counterpart speed, like i7 4770 level, because there are also alienware laptops with unlocked CPU-s, no? It was a still a useful and informative video, I just think comparing processors in this way and then saying that mobile CPU is bottlenecking the GPU is wrong.
@@TabalugaDragon I get you. I could have done that but my way of thinking was that if that person decided to build a desktop instead they may but a CPU that was unlocked and run it at it's max. Perhaps I should have done it both ways. As it was it took ages to do.
Indeed, I think there was one unlocked mobile CPU available in laptops during that period but of course I didn't have one on hand. The i7 4710hq was very popular, much like the i7 6700hq after it.
Can you PLEASE use the 7820HK or 7700HQ? Using an old CPU like this isn't that helpful...
Brobotjox well, like I said in my introduction the whole purpose of an external dock is to give extra gaming umph to what would be an aging laptop.. If you were to buy a new laptop every year to use with your dock it wouldn't really make much sense.. I do have an AW13 OLED, which I am sure has an i7 7700hq in it. I will do the same tests on it as part of my full review as that will help users of the current generation of laptop users ☺️
Oh I know, and I appreciate that -- but much has changed since the 4710HQ -- and many of us are new to the AW series. Could you maybe run superposition (pure GPU test)? That might help solidify the answer. Thanks for all you do!
Brobotjox thanks! I did run Firestrike but silly me didn't record the graphics score.. My desktop has now been switched to Ryzen. Been wanting to do a video on that so will do a follow up on that and do the graphics score in Firestrike. I will also test that AW 13. Sorry these things take so long to do.. I work full time too. You can't believe how long it took to these tests.. Carrying my desktop upstairs and hooking it up to my TV, lol.
Steve it would have been interesting to run these test using an 17 R4 with a 7820HK or 7700HQ comparing the laptop GTX 1070 or 1080 vs the Amplifier with a desktop GTX 980ti, GTX 1070 and 1080 cards.
I did tr y with the i7 7820hk AW17R4 but it wiped by boot manager twice and I had to do two full system resets..don't know what was going on there. It was when it was just released..
I have the alienware 17 r4 with 2gb of ram will I get more ram if I buy the aga and a better graphics card?
Hi, so you have the model with the GTX 1050ti ? Yes, that only has 2GB vRAM and if you attach the AGA and say include a GTX 1070 in it you will have 8GB vRAM to play with which will help if you play at higher resolution and details - so 2560 x 1440 for example.
Hi,
Did you use the stock power supply with all these graphics cards?
I've had my amplifier for a while but only now I decided to get the 980ti for it.
The recommended power is 600w while the stock ps only makes 460.
Was it running fine?
Michael Lurie yes, I used the stock power supply with the amp. I don't believe that is an issue. The power supply that ships with a gtx 1080 laptop is 330W and that powers the cpu, screen etc and it doesn't get to that level under load. 400W is fine.
Thanks for the reply
By the way, were any of the gpus you tried factory overclocked? I want to get one that is but on the official dell website they say that it might be a problem.
Oh and I also wanted to mention that there is actually an option to overclock your cpu in bios when you connect the graphics amplifier
My 980Ti was. Had no problems at all :)
even the i7 4710hq ? I thought its multipliers are locked..
I got an amplifier for a bargin price
and thinking of hooking it up with a rx 580
any gpu suggestions from your side
I've tried it with upto an RTX 2080 and it works great. Same performance as a desktop if your CPU is decent enough.
@@OWNORDISOWN nope, its the age old 4710hq
@@akarshadithya5479 ah, that's what I had. The RX 580 should be OK. It's about the same as a GTX 1070.
@@OWNORDISOWN so should i expect the performance around the points shown in your graph huh, and in you testing method
did you hook up external monitor?
@@akarshadithya5479 yes, I used an external monitor. I remember doing a video around the same time showing the difference. My performance numbers should provide a good indication for you 👍 make sure to use DDU to clean out drivers first.
hey man I was wondering if I can use this egpu with my alienware with a broken gpu is it possible?
Steven Nguyen I don't see why not Steven.. Good idea!
So does it require anything else other than a graphics card
Nope, just a Alienware laptop and the graphics card
@@OWNORDISOWN ok thanks
same test with alienware 15 r3 (kaby lake) and 17 r4(kaby)
Manu Saraswat I have the Alienware 13 OLED so I was going to test that. I think it has the i7 7700hq in it..
OWNorDISOWN Hi let me know the results with the 13 R3 OLED model, would be interesting to see the results from modern mobile cpu.
Matthew Nash will do Matt. I will have it as part of my full review on that laptop ☺️
Awesome
could you not have done this is a later spec laptop.. 7820hk would provide currrent
Billy Buff when I get a new model I would try it again. I did try it on the i7 7820hk AW17 R4 but it messed up my boot manager.
Of course, the purpose of the amplifier is to extend the gaming life of your notebook so using an older notebook is actually more relevant. But of course it's nice to know how the new ones perform say outputting to a higher resolution display.
OWNorDISOWN I think it'd be beneficial to see how far exactly laptops have one with the 7830hk with a 1080/1080ti and how it would fair against a desktop.. No one's done it yet
Btw thanks for answering. A lot of your ideas don't even bother.
Billy Buff and what do you mean by that?
Billy Buff like I said, I tried to do it with that model. Mentioned it in my review of the AW17 R4 i7 7820hk / gtx 1080 and twice my boot manager got messed up. I'm hoping to get an AW13 OLED at some point to review and I will definitely hook that up to the amplifier and my 1080ti.
Wouldn't the new 7820hk make a huge difference mine clocks to 4.4 with no issues I'm getting my 1080ti so I guess I can test
MIKE CERRETA yes I have Alienware 17 r4 with i7 7820hk and gtx 1080 inbuilt. It's a monster.
MIKE CERRETA hi Mike, yes that should perform just like a desktop cpu. I would hope so anyway!
OWNorDISOWN will make a big difference with the amp ?
MIKE CERRETA I would ha e thought so Mike. I think the main issue is that for older laptops with non-overclockable cpu's they don't reach a high enough turbo boost and some cpu overhead is used to run the dock. As long as your i7 7820hk maintains a high frequency it should be good. In my test on that cpu it performs fast even when hot..
OWNorDISOWN thanks for the info I did a LM repaste so it stays very cool :)
hi there buddy, am sure you'll reply once more as I see my new Alienware 15 r3 kabylake running at an average frequency of 3.4 all the time when it's just browsing that I do and nothing intensive... is this normal???
Idrees Mohad is it plugged in to a power source? If so then yes that's normal. I would expect if you are running on battery you would dip down to about 800mhz.
OWNorDISOWN thanks mate, you at times have saved me from a heart attack, I don't know how to thank you, yes it's plugged in!! so that's what the reason is!! thanks a tonne!!! you made my day mate....
by the way the new windows creators update crashed my video card , so had to revert back
Idrees Mohad people are having endless problems with that update. I don't think I've done it yet.. Dreading it!
OWNorDISOWN I was wondering to downgrade to windows 7 given the stability it has, would I miss out on something big if I do that given that I've an Alienware 15 r3, or does it mean no difference??
I wonder how this'd run with a I5 instread. Probably poorly
Goob_16 Yeh, I think poorly. I'm already CPU limited with the i7 4710hq..
Which sucks cuz now I have to shell out 160 for the amp, 400 for a good card, and 500 for a low range i7 for my AW 13 r2 to even run at more than 20 fps on BF1, i swear for 1,900 $$ this computer has been a disappointment
Goob_16 I hear your pain. Like my AW15 R2, only about 18 months old and can't use high end graphics cards now.. I think it pays to get the best cpu you can unfortunately.
yup. figures those BGA CPU's are weak.
Haha been looking for a video like this
sdauz great! Hope it helps you or you find it useful ☺️
OWNorDISOWN well I ahve 6700 hq 15 r3 and just bought a gaming x 1080 ti so I hope I can do 4k60 well
sdauz I think 4k will be fine mate, that makes so much sense. Good choice. Let me know how you get on ☺️
Its works a treat, unfortunately the MSI gaming x 1080ti is too big to the cover of the AGA close.
That sucks, well at least it will have good airflow ! Question: I have had some difficuty getting decent framerates in say Rise Of the Tomb Raider using the laptop monitor - I was getting like 18 fps. Its like Optimus was screwing with me. Are you using an external monitor ?
Amplifier would be cool I don't play sick ass games need 5 video cards
You are attributing all of the lower results of the laptop down to CPU bottleneck whilst not acknowledging the desktop is running PCI-e x16 and the laptop is x4....
marcuscooke I mentioned the amp has 4 PCIe lanes early on in the video, other people have tested using the i7 7820hk and reported better results, still slightly behind the desktop so cpu overhead and those restricted number of lanes no doubt do have an effect. The purpose of this video was to see whether a previous gen Alienware laptop could hold its own with today's top cards and I think it shows that well, regardless of the cause.
When the CPU utilisation is very low, you are still attributing the bottleneck to the CPU which seems incorrect to me, that is all...
I understand, but the thing that swayed me in that direction was Rainbow Six Siege. At absolute max settings the GPU is working the most and if there was any major limitation due to the x4 PCie lane then the % difference in frame rate would be replicated here - but instead we only see 5 fps difference on the GTX 1080. To me, this suggests something else is at play in games that are affected more by the CPU.
you video very usefull thank for your share about tips, review.....
I have a problem with my alienware 17r3 Spec (6820HK 980m) and my friend have it too (15r1 4710HQ 17r4 6700HQ) all have problem with CPU and frequency drop when i play some game in normal it my cpu speed is 3.30 mhz but when i playing game it drop into 800mhz and GPU not load max it only load about 50 60% and fps drop so much Dota2 normal 120FPS when it drop all way 20 30FPS.... and my friend have the same problem too.... Plz help me.......
What are your CPU temps like? You can see thermal throttling if it gets too hot - perhaps around 93/95 deg C ...That is what I think is the main cause could be. Can you check and report back?
no it not this is my stresstest
imgur.com/EInEEns
and my friend playing game temp look good
imgur.com/a/XTyFl
i try change another adapter 240W change OS change bios and overclock CPU too but after 15 minute stresstest it going to drop 800 mhz :'( It's so weird right ?
Xuân Nông Thanh let me think on it.. Off to bed now, what power is going to the cpu? Hwinfo64 will tell you the package power.
Wow finally !!!
ThorVeras that's what I shouted when it was done ☺️ Took me ages!
Hahahah i imagine. I would love if u include some performance test on witcher 3 he is very gpu demanding.
Gpu demanding games and cpu demanding games, and some bench test with futuremark heaven etc... ;)
I think what is bottlonecking there is the ddr3 ram.
I will do those tests using the AW13 then..
Please !
My aw13 will arrive at 11 or 12 i will make some stuff. Like underclock the cpu, repaste cpu and gpu and put 32gb ddr4 3000mhz ram.
I already got the evga 1080ti waiting for the laptop and the dock haha.
I will play on a 3440x1440 monitor from acer. x34 with 100hz.
Nice, that looks like a great set up !
You totally looks like Indian actor hritik Roshan
Wish I was earning his salary :)
4980HQ or 6820HK will be better!
Артем Загребая 6820hk because it can be overclocked to about 4.1 or 4.2 ghz the 4980hq only turbos upto 4ghz on one core.
Omg you look like Gordon Ramsay :D
make a giveaway
Kurt Angelo Tarlit coming up to my 4000 sub game give away ☺️
yey i hope i can win😀
Kurt Angelo Tarlit I hide something in the video for you to find. First person to find it gets a $50 game of their choice!
Get a better damn CPU lol. If you're dropping $600-1000 for the external amplifier, make sure your CPU and handle the load or overclock. I'm going for the I7-7820hk at at least 4.2Ghz in my laptop with this config and a 1080 ti so I'll be able to give you some results from a person actually utilizing it.
Pewpiepiepewper yes please do. I was thinking about getting their Max-Q one to test and would try it but I'm a bit skint after all these laptops, lol
lol go for a "k" cpu version if you'd like to unlock the full cpu and gpu potential. I currently have a 7700hq but I'm stuck at 3.6ghz boost. I should have the 7820hk and test it next week. I'll be repasting with liquid metal too shortly after for even better temps and performance so it should be dramatically better than the results you're getting.
Pewpiepiepewper what results did you see with the i7 7700hq? I did try it on the AW17 R4 i7 7820hk but it wiped my boot manager twice so I gave up. Yes, you should see better performance but the whole point of the amplifier is to extend the life of your notebook gaming wise and I feel, perhaps the cpu's cannot keep up with the graphic cards..
I haven't gotten the amplifier yet but I can test it next week when it arrives, although I do have this repasted to liquid metal so it would differ from stock. lol I'm sure more people have FPS and gaming in mind rather than longevity. The cpu's can keep up, you'll just have to get the higher end in the laptops.
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Mazin Shabibi I haven't even watched it yet, lol ☺️
So is the desktop better or are they more even?
Tyler Crebs well, I bricked my aw13 r3 doing a bios update. I don't have another alienware to test.. I'm doing a comparison between external and internal monitor at the moment. Without a doubt the external monitor is best with the 1080ti and the desktop cpu is better than the i7 4710hq notebook cpu at 1080p