Hermitcraft vs Main Storage Item Sorter
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- It's finally here, the 8gt encoded multi item sorter. This brand new piece of storage tech can tear through the toughest of sorting jobs. But how much of a match is it against the rampant chest monsters of the Hermitcraft server? In this video we will discover unique ways to analyse the game we play and optimise our item sorting to the extreme.
I should also point out that the demi-bolt I attributed to Carbsna was in fact originally concieved by Inspector Talon, his video on the design can be found here:
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The fact that potatoes are the 15th most commonly stored item is hilarious 😂 Mumbo really went hard with his production he wasnt lying
To be fair mumbo has nothing on technoblades potatoes farming but I'll agree mumbos production amount is still insane
@@evasiveupgradeYou know, Mumbo got like on average 3 potatoes per farmland, while Techno got 30. Still the amount he managed was insane.
I love the smart systems you add so that the machines can self diagnose and shut themselves down before too much damage is done. I think those elements are what makes your contraptions truly intelligent.
Most big servers: players competing for the best item sorter & storage
Grian and Scar on Hermitcraft:
*_Makin' the mother of all chest monsters here, Jack. Can't fret over every shulker._*
A metal gear revengence reference on a minecraft video. Never thought I'd see that
We heard you like boxes, so we put boxes of boxes in your boxes. Next week we'll be building a piston door that sorts your inventory while it opens, for mumbo of course
The joke is that Mumbo actually ever opens his piston doors after he's finished building him
@@your_sweetpeanever or ever?
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja ever
Bruv
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja how could it grammatically correct to say ever
Chest monster chandeliers-a truly forbidden building technique
Hermitcraft is a place more magical and mysterious than disney's fairy tales
I didn't even know you could deactivate hopper minecarts
you and me both
Haha, same here!
Same
26:30 MATLAB for "academic use", yes...
Will you make a download of the wavetech storage system available so we could theoretically build it ourselves? Also it would be cool to see more wavetech content in general!
I have been holding out on building my storage system for ages waiting for this upcoming wavetech system. cubic always comes up with great innovations that i dont want to regret not including into my system.
Really keen for a full break down by the legend himself
@@pixzil im also in your exact position. im thinking of going huge with the storage system for my world but i want the complete one. its probably never a finished version since all the big brain people keeps coming up with new tech. but as you said, building the "version" they build on wavetech server is probably the one im building too. eager to see the final version!
@@pixzil same
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@cubicmetre when respond
12+2 = 14 yes
8+4+1 = 15 uhm i think it should be 13 but still only 1 item difference
The method is clear just the result wrong :P
Just realised you used the octal numbers than its correct
quick math KEKW
Oh crap, did I actually do that? Damit.
12+2 is 13
@@shahnawazazam LMAO
My favourite octal number is 8! How funny!
Hermitcraft: Next level Survival Multiplayer
Scicraft: Next level Minecraft Tech
Wavetech: Next level *bending reality*
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Combine scicraft with wave tech and what you got
Engineers
@@warpedmine9682 We get an AI dominating the world from its being as a Minecraft flying machine
@@axelle0144Do you think that you're funny? You ain't.
@@warpedmine9682Enough engineers to design and manage a nuclear reactor. I wish Olkiluoto 3 was built by Sci-Craft and Wavetech players and not the French.
To be honest, in terms of redstone you lost me three episodes ago, but the algorithm design is really quite fascinating. It's been years since I heard the term Bin Packing.
As for why you didn't notice a particularly big difference with the Bin Packed encoder, I have two theories:
1. That your small demonstration has large resolution (ie. each item in question has a larger effect overall due to the smaller size of the whole thing.
2. You used an exponential number of items for the demonstration, which while allowing you to cover several orders of magnitude, may give an extra boost to such exponential item distributions. Statistical distributions don't usually scale linearly at the extremes
There's also another method that uses something called the Thue-Morse sequence. Basically, instead of just alternating back-and-forth, you alternate the alternating. So instead of ABABABAB, you can have ABBABAAB
It might be nore resilient to different distributions, but less optimized for each. What I'm wondering then is how to generalize this to more than 2 bins
main issue with the binpacking is we used the wrong statistic. we don't actually care about the number of items present in storage, what we want is statistics regarding how likely items are to be sorted together. For example, P(Stone | Cobblestone) = probability stone is being sorted given that cobblestone is being sorted.
We need this statistic for every item given every other item. This can then be represented as a markov chain, from which we can then find the stationary distribution by solving for the eigenvector. If we then run binpacking on this distribution, we would achieve much better results.
This was probably one of my favorite youtube videos of 2022 so far. I laughed, cried, was angry. You hit all the feels and did some very cool science!
several years ago when I saw a simple hopper sorter I thought that storage technology has reached its best, damn was I wrong.
Im sure the Hermicraft's chests monsters can prove the second law of thermodynamic (entropy grow over time) lol
I’ve got to say, using Hermitcraft as an example is very fitting as a Hermitcraft fan myself
Bruh ! This is Certified bonkers ! Making things faster . When he said it was per 4 seconds and still slow , I was shocked .
Awesome video cubic!! I love the funny bits during the part where you search for chestmonsters on hermitcraft ;) Also if you spawn some dolphins randomly throughout the storage, it scientifically boosts your sorting speed 69x ;)
You're not really playing Minecraft until you open MATLAB
“And of course collect their resources for scientific research” 🤣 Your humour is on point 😂
this is starting to sound like my data structure class, talking about speed, search, etc.
xD
CZcams Algorithm got you covered.
Your video comes up when I search hermitcraft
Other people might not see it though
I don't understand pretty much anything in this video but I do enjoy watching despite that. This is an incredibly impressive machine
Finally, somebody sorted all the Hermits' items for them 😅
Grian:I’m about to end this man’s whole career
cringe
This thing sorts faster than he can make chest monsters
He'll find a way to throw a potato into this thing and completely wreck it
@@yassinedownpourz Thank you
@@ilonachan My point is exactly
Finally someone who understands me
This is like Etho's nexus, except with Shulker boxes. Really cool
DANG IT CUBIC! I can't hear the phrase 'storage tech' without thinking "storage tech is my passion". CANNOT UNHEAR!
Pog Pog Pog Pog new epic storage time for me to tell my friend that I'm not going to do an overengineered storage system, then break the news that I found one that's even more overengineered.
I don't even know what to think about this crazy system
MasaGadget mod adds server side support for pasting inventories
my mind is melted
"only sort a shulker box every 4 second" wait that slow?
Yes, if you have hundreds of them.
Yes, that's one every 80 game ticks, and hopper speed is every 8 game ticks
you could optimize sorting speed even more if you considered shuffling item types around according to which items tend to cluster. for example: diorite, andesite, and granite are likely to all be mixed into the same shulker box, so it wouldn't make sense to have all three of those in different slots, since those other slots could be sorting other shulker boxes while your mixed stone box is being drained of one type. this concern is often nullified by the presence of several similar boxes (three mixed stone boxes can be sorted in three separate slices at once, achieving that parallelism), so it really is a tradeoff between being able to sort many identical boxes and many distinct boxes at once
Technically you want to do the opposite, if stone, granite, diorite and andesite are commonly input in the same sorting operation then you want them to be unloaded in different slices.
little idea: sorting shulkers randomly moves items but doesn't make duplicates in other shulkers.
The partitioning is great for load balancing, but have you considered randomizing the order of the items within each slice to optimize throughput? The analogy there is sifting grains of sand through a sieve. Shaking the sieve randomizes the distribution of the large and small grains to get better throughput characteristics.
That would need some sort of automated assignment feature for the MIS categories, which would likely be slower in practice due to the time it needs to re-assign items at random.
Damn, my guy has a self correcting storage
I honestly think Doc could be insane enough to build this one. He's crazy enough to do so
There are much better sorting methods for people who don't want to lose sanity over storage tech.
@@cubicmetre such as?
The issue of this system is that it has a static number of sorters for each item/category. In practice you would drop in a larger count of a few item types and most of the sorters would do absolutely nothing. The only way to optimize this approach even more is finding out which different item types are usually dropped in for sorting as a batch (so for example a caving category) and then making sure those arent on the same sorter. Regardless it would still be better to have dynamic assignment of sorters you can always use your full sorting capacity, regardless of the input (kind of mimicing a microservice infrastructure).
I had a look at partitions and manually made changes that made more sense, such as separating the terracottas and stone types, it might even be the case that the optimal item set is one built manually through player interpretation, but that would take a lot of time.
i dont understand a single thing about how tf this works but it looks cool
I understood every part of that and still don’t understand how it works………… like holy crap, that’s intense. Love it…. Haah
I feel like cubicmetre is an advanced animal vet agent he does for chest monsters
"We can only sort a shulker box every 4 seconds" -cubicmeter
I haven't fully explored your channel yet so I have no idea if you've made something like this before but I've been wondering if you could make a sorting system with a sort of panel interface hooked up to each item that allows for your items to be selected in values of let's say 8, 16, 24, and 32, for output into a single shulkerbox. So for example, you hit a button linked to the 16 value and then hit the buttons linked to the Stone , Redstone dust, and the Oak log storage boxes, the system will spit out 16 stone, Redstone dust, and Oak logs into the single shulker with the option to collect the shulker at any point.
This concept has appeared before but was mainly only useful for pre 1.8 storage tech before shulkerboxes. If you look at my ultimate bulk it has a similar call based interface which instead delivers shulker boxes of items in bulk. Delivering quantities such as a stack or less at a time is of course possible but not useful in any way, as it would always be faster to grab the stack out of a chest manually.
me whos already failing at a simple redstone 2x2 door: speechless
@cubicmeter is there a litematic or world download available? I didn't find it in the discord
I'm waiting for the day people are able to make something similar to an AE2 ME system in vanilla.
Thanks for reminding me, I've had an idea for making something like this however I have not yet had the time to do it. It would be a very hard project but I have an idea of what the final solution would look like which is a good start.
@@cubicmetre Wait wtf you have an idea of how to do it already? I'm scared of what people are able to do in minecraft but also rly impressed. Keep up the good content, half of it blows over my head but I love this stuff. Looking forward to it if/when you do it
Oh no. All chest monster hermits exposed D: Come on hermits
Is there a download link? Or are you going to make a tutorial when its finished?
Your mc skin is literally the tf2 mercenary
Where can i find the optimal item selection for Multiway number partitioning?
I'm gonna be honest, I'm just kinda thinking of ethoslab's shulker checker to search for a specific item and idk why
Hey @cubicmetre I wanted to ask on wich Minecraft Launcher u are playing
Cubic, who built the encoded hopper-speed parallel item sorter (with the update suppressed rail)?
Every hermit should see this video.
I hope you see this. What pack do you use to have your rails look that nice?
I’m chuffed to bits
Since when does litematica support pasting? Thats awesome
Hey uh, i'm planning on building this in my hardcore world, dont ask me why but i have tons of tnt, is it save to dump that into this?
« And this is extremely slow, we can only sort one shulker box every four seconds »! Omg, yeh that’s so so slow, how disappointed am I in u c3, u have nooooo idea lmfao. In all honesty tho y’all r crazy, making a four second unloaded faster is a real marker of ur ingenuity
Yo those French «»
well that is 10 times slower than a hopper speed box sorter (once you learn how they work, a hopper speed box sorter is surprisingly simple to make)
Did you compare this to the parallel unloader by glotz, boyenn, raff and raps? Theirs is definitely gonna do better in terms of lag
It's also faster in theory for real world use cases. That design won't have boxes queued up unless it realy needs to. This one might in some cases have boxes in the waitlist and unlaoders not being used.
You would think so, but in actual fact the encoded MIS at the start of the sorting operation was getting almost full unloader utilisation, the sorting speed skyrockets at the begginning to around 160Kph as it unloads lots of boxes with very few items. Then later on in the sorting operation it transitions to fewer boxes with very large amounts of items. These heavier boxes drag out the total sorting time significantly and I don't believe even perfect paralleisation could prevent this.
@@cubicmetre But the tests indicate otherwise...
Rail update order looks like it's been reversed in the latest snapshot. Don't know if it's deliberate, if it'll stay with the full release, or if you'll need to lodge a big report or anything, but for now I think it may break some of your sorting machines.
Yeah it will break most tech MC contraptions, I think it will likely be fixed and put back into the original update order, however the change mainly came about to prevent update suppression from being a thing.
I expected that might have been their intention. If they keep the changes, then hopefully the fixes for the storage array won't be too major.
This man pulled out MATLAB
My ape brain can't comprehend this tech
what texturepack are you using cubic?
Remember to leave no space for shulkercraft when the Wavetech storage is done. Make the block by block tutorial yourself;)
Oh god, no, anyone who makes a block by block tutorial on something like this is not human.
@@cubicmetre jk KEKW
:( almost did a binary storage! so close yet so far
Why isnt there a world download?
Fun fact, bin packing is a type of optimization problem, and those algorithm that solve this problem is called heuristic algorithm, which is then related to machine learning and AI.
I have a few questions:
1. Why is the dropper line instant?
2. Is it possible to make the piston bolt 6gt or 4gt?
3. Is it possible to make the slices 6gt or even 4gt?
8gt is usually the limit for storage tech due to the hoppers cooldown being 8gt. Because somewhere an item needs to be transfered every 8gt and as a result everything is limited by that.
@@cubicmetre Oke, thanks! Congratulations on 30k!
You probably knew this already, but I discovered that you can request items very fast by having two of those machines, because every stackable item can be (uniquely) assigned two symbols. If you sort for the first symbol and second symbol separately, you can differentiate between 30×30=900 different items in a little bit more than 30+30=60 gameticks
Does the HermitCraft sorting work by Huffman encoding?
14:30 scientific research😂
This is Crazy 🤣👍
When will Mohan will consider chest monster entities
I think the amount of an item in the world is the wrong metric to optimize by. You want to assign some sort of negative association between items commonly found in the same inventory as each other, and try to optimize by penalizing a total score based on how often you have to put those items in the same filter chest. If you have a bunch of shulkers come in from one of your farms, you want each item from that farm to be in a different input chest, but those items might have different drop rates and pretty much just be randomly dispersed throughout the filter chests
23:52 ew spider that’s gross
Vs code is where it’s at
Problem sorted!
Is there a world or litematic download?
4:24 Quick maths
10:36 now i subscribe
Fuck I literally have been poking with a similar design on and off for like 2 years... guess its bound to happen that someone beats you to it when you just let it sit for that long :(
cool shit tho
Idk man, it might be a crime to cover this up with decoration
Question, how do you get the item count list?
I demonstrate this in "How to Build the Ultimate Storage"
Is lagging on server? Or is it lag proof?
Go visit the discord. They share tons of info there. Especially stuff that doesn’t get shown in the videos here
so pretty much the nexus by etho but more advanced?
No, this is only an item sorting input, I did make a system like the nexus. Check out my Ultimate bulk storage.
Where can you find the WDL
Edit: it’s not in the storage tech archive I’ve searched all of it
Can someone smarter than me explain how this system has any advantages over the parallel sorter boyenn made (czcams.com/video/NpKJ5sPUCeo/video.html)? This encoded multi item sorter requires the multi item sorter slices to be optimized for the input. If two shulker boxes were to be sorted which had items that both belonged to the same slice, it would have unload them in series. Boyenn's doesn't seem to have this problem as it would just check that the shulker boxes had different items and unload both simultaneously. Maybe I'm overlooking something.
We have multiple sorting categories, if two items in the same category get queued in series in a 2xHS category they will still be unloaded in parallel because the other box will go into the adjacent slice.
Woow
world download?
cubic, I see you Might have messed up with litematica, If litematica does not already you should have turned off fill updates.
The problem was not filupdates that was breaking the machine, it was the fact that I couldn't paste the inventories and kept forgetting about ALL of the items that needed to go in places.
@@cubicmetre yes I see that now, was this with the setting to paste and modify on? Your pasting to another singleplayer world I presume so it should work fully, but even if it does not the setting should have made it work…. What version of litematica do You have?
Looked back, you issue is you took the litematic from a server it can’t know nbt, if you could establish downloading chunks from the server (not client side) you could paste in singleplayer and take the litematic, if not you can wait for survux.
@@cubicmetre to do that you can install plusl carpet addons on the server and MasaGadget on the client
Whats up
now you lost us all 😭
lol you know a minecraft video is good when they start talking about maths and write python scripts
it's vanilla or a bit modded ?
The sorter is vanilla, wawetech uses some mods like carpet, same as Scicraft.
Client side mods are used to help (carpet, litematica, etc. but they don't change anything)
you forgot the hax
in mods that I use
world download? :(
Where world download Mister.
Hmmm yes I understand 🤔🤔
i watched the whole video, I only understood 70%.
I feel smart despite that. Is that wrong?
Ham
Can you build a war machine?