HARLEY Iron vs INDIAN Scout vs YAMAHA Bolt DYNO BATTLE! (Pt 02)
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- Part 02 of the Harley-Davidson Iron vs Indian Scout vs Yamaha Bolt on the dyno for a Dyno battle at MMI! Which has the most power?
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This just in: Apparently we didn’t take the Indian Scout far enough into the revs to see the actual power. So we’ll be rerunning it on the dyno for a follow up. Thanks for watching, and stay tuned for more! 👍🏼
Looking forward to it! Also looking forward to hearing it wail out with some new pipes
It would be awesome to compare that dyno run to Sportster 1200, a dyna, or softail Low Rider S!
Blockhead, "That's it for dyno episode 1. Catch the numbers on episode 2."
Me, "Sum beach! 😟Ya killin me smalls... Ya killin me!" 😧
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Me, "YES! FINAL NUMBERS! WOOOHOOO.😂😁.......... Wait, what?.😨....... Sum beach.....😭. "
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Cool Blockhead, a good result and look forward to the follow up 8) keep up the great content. Basically if the graph hp line keeps going up, keeping rolling on 8) the second hit on my Octane at like 7k up is pretty gnarly 8)
@@serialk.2144 right, a fairer comparison 8)
The pipe isnt the problem at all on the yamaha bolt. I've seen lots of tuning done on them and the pipe is robbing 1 to maybe 2 wheel horsepower. The air filter is the culprit. I've seen open air filters net as much as 7-8 horsepower on bolts
I was sold on an Iron 883 but saw the scout bobber and took that for a ride and went home with it the same day.
Hey could you give me an opinion I was thinking about buying a scout I've always been a Harley fan Should I buy a older harley fat bob/boy or a 2018 scout?
Peak HP on a Scout is 8100 RPM, why did you stop at 6500?
To give the others a fighting chance 😅
Kinda sad he didn't actually rev the Scout all the way to redline. Must be used to testing Harleys
True...6k RPM is pushing a Harley REALLY hard and meanwhile that Scout will romp over 8k RPM
hes a bit of a indian hater
I would be interested to see a Iron 1200 vs a Scout since they're closer in specs.
Now that would be a fair comparison.
Shit I'll send mine out to Florida
I would send mine in too but I traded it for my low rider s....
@@hackrockstar I ain't got that kind of cash😂😂😂😂
The Iron 1200 has a better low end until it starts gasping around 5k RPM, then the Scout blows by it.
I'd bet that Scout dyno run is off by quite a bit. Redline is around 8300 and pulls pretty hard at the top end.
Yea. That was off. Almost all dynos on stock Scouts read 85 hp.
Put that Scout back on the Dyno and do a full pull to 8300rpm to get an accurate number. It's not a Harley tapping out at 6000...
they didn’t for safety reasons, the engine revs out higher but the stock wheel isn’t rated to handle 8300rpm in 6th gear. so basically, the scout being stock they did it accurately
@@Chris-pf4pk Fourth gear is to dyno these bikes and it's fine. Tons of other people have done it, including motorcycle magazines.
@@thabrownieviking they talked about why dynoing it in 4th gear wouldn’t be accurate. every bike is different, just because moto magazines have done it doesn’t mean they did it the most accurate way
Might be nice to see that scout with an upgraded exhaust, intake and a power commander. In all fairness, that Harley had upgrades too.
Blockhead always knows how to keep me up past my bedtime with new videos lmao
These most recent series have been great ! Love the content 👍
I swear I learn something new everytime I watch your videos!!!! Keep it up my good sir!
That's awesome man, happy to be able to spread the knowledge! Thanks for watching :)
Going to be interesting to see the final results. 🤙🏻
Great episode this time. That cliffhanger on pt. 1 was super unsatisfying, but this episode felt good. I definitely learned a good bit.
The only issue I ever have with these videos....is that now I want to see more bikes head to head. I wonder how the Kawasaki Vulcan S would stack up to these bikes.
I was thinking the same thing.
I moved from the Vulcan to the scout 60. Anecdotally the vulcan will build torque until 5k rpm, level off then die off starting around 7k. MUUUUUCH smoother engine though hahaha
@@Nickersont88 the scout has even more power than the 60
I got the smaller scout sixty. no regrets. though id say you aren't taking it nearly as high as it can go. I can ride that thing almost like a sportsbike taking it to 60 in 2nd (if i need to move quick) and the bike almost acts like it wants to do more. Anyways im glad i went indian.
Ride a sixty too. Got the power and looks.
FYI Scout Sixty's can Dyno around 88 wheel horsepower with an intake, slip ons and a tune.
They never redlined the scout in the vid, it actually makes 82 whp stock
I ride a scout bobber and just finished my rounds of final performance modifications. Threw on a PV3 tuner, Trask Intake and a Two Brothers Comp S 2-in-1 .... I haven't taken it to a dyno shop yet but it's on my list. But the tune I got from FuelMoto increased the rev limter and removed the speed limiter. She pulls the front wheel up easily now when I'm romping on it .... sooo bueno!
I have a 2017 scout and did the fuel moto deal for the s&s intake, pv3 and I already had my exhaust. The front wheel definitely comes up with that tune!
Btw in this vid they never took the scout to redline, it actually makes 82whp stock
I saw by the tq graph that Indian still has that little torque sag at the mid range. Did your mods get rid of that? Or was it something you never noticed on your Scout?
@@LARGO125 I got a scout and it is extremely linear power. I've never noticed a dip and as you roll on it makes pretty predictable power which is very nice when accelerating
@@LARGO125 yeah - that sag is the airbox. Stock it's very restrictive. Trask or an S&S brings it to life.
I think this test should have done with an HD Iron1200, not 883. The 1200 is both geared and powered much more similarly to the bolt/scout and think it would have been a more fair starting point.
Thanks for doing this video. Some much great information about performance 101.
The noise taking the bikes on and off...
Great information and looking forward to more.
Hooah
What exhaust and air filter do you suggest for the bolt? Thanks
Glad to be a patreon member.
That instructor guy is a great teacher - really helpful
I have a bolt and I agree i think the stock air box is very restrictive. I've heard on some forums of decent gains with a airbox slip on and a tune.
Great explanations
Absolutely luving the info mate makes me pleased that if I get a bike I won't mind having stock style exhaust system for the low pressure advantage just let it have a bit more air intake for learning on
My wife has the scout bobber, stage one. Intake exhaust and tune. It smokes the shit out of anything we ride with. Vrod, sportster, streetglide and even my 2020 challenger 😞 lol it redlines way over 8k rpm as well. The scout is a potent bike.
Weight is the biggest difference.
Thank you so much for this Block. It would seem that the stock Air - header needs to be ported or more holes drilled in to it, lol .... or just "yanked " and replaced with a K & N fast-flo unit !... Kudos to you and the Dyno Crew !!
Stay Safe
Keep on keeping on
I'd love to see a dyno comparison between a Scout and a Scout 60, just to see the real world difference.
I have a Scout 60 and ran it with two Harley VRods. They both took me, but not by as much as we predicted. I stayed right with them up to around 100 mph, then they pulled away.
I rode a Scout and a 60 back to back before I bought mine, and couldn't tell much of a difference until they got into the 6000+ rpm range, then of course the Scout pulled better.
I have the 2022 Scout classic, and it feels great in the switchbacks of hwy 191 north of Vernal Utah. I can definitely feel the instant torque at the twist of the throttle. It's even meaner after I had replaced the stock exhaust with the RCX rc220c-22 mufflers.
I would love to see the 2020 Harley 1200 48 sportster versus iron 883, That would be dope bro By the way great Info great video keep up the great work, i learned tons from you vids
Hey block, love the content, was wondering if since you have the ear of the dyno techs. Will you be testing different pipes and torque cones saving torque numbers on 2-2 setups?
Can’t wait to see what you do with the bolt, I just bought mine and going to use you for inspiration.
I have seen them with some wicked sounding exhaust setups.
Charts tell it all vs just the numbers!
We all knew the Scout would thrash them all. If only it had aftermarket pipes, filter and power commander. Then it would really get 100hp to the wheel.
Hell yeah!!! Scout baby!!! Can only go up from here!!!
Scout makes 82whp btw, they never took it to redline
Anyone know how the bonneville
Compares over all to the scout bobber?
Nice! Hey another channel I watch had a sponsor purchase them a Dyno...just throwing it out there. 😎
Long story short, my softail slim was too big for my wife so I traded it for a Scout for her....the Scout actually pushes me back in my seat, where the softail never did that.....
My Sportster pushes me back too. My Softail is heavier, definitely, but I guess it's just a matter of really twisting back the throttle.
yeah the first time I sat down in the seat of my Indian Scouts if it weren't for the backrest the bike would have left me behind!
Anyone that’s ever been on a scout knows it’s a special bike. Something very very fun about romping around on that SOB.
So to get more power from my '76 xlch I should go to a different exhaust rather than just the straight pipes I'm running on it!?
A 2-1 will net more power then 2-2 duals
I ride a Scout and predictable is exactly right! I love the torque! Oh and, yes, so much fun riding in the twisties!
Other dyno tests show the indian at 84 horsepower. Know why? Because they bother to rev the thing up to the factory rev limiter instead of calling it a day 1800 rpm early at 6500 rpm.
The toque reading was correct and other dynos indeed show that 73 hp at 6500 rpm is correct, but they also show that power climbs to 84 if you bother to go to redline.
You can go on about "if it was less warm or humid" but that wasn't the indians problem. Getting it's revrange cut by 1800 rpm was the problem.
The bike basically only got to use 75% of it's full range where the other two got 100% becauce they're lower revving machines
So your "actual data" is useless on the indian because you guys did not bother to verify it at all and thus did not notice that your dyno run was extremely flawed
Lol obviously sandbagging as hard as they can to not make the Indian look as good as it does power wise. The 883 was even helped with an exhaust and an intake lmao. I cannot believe they didn't bother hitting rev-limit on the scout.
Your post captured my attention. What is your personal knowledge on the subject? Do you work at a dealership, mechanic, own one and had it on the Dino or something else?
@@chrisb9960 I ride a scout. Revving it out to fuel cutoff is a really unique feeling. Every guy that rides a scout knew they weren't revving it out to redline in the last episode.
@@chrisb9960 I've had bikes tuned. Have worked on bikes myself. Ive got an educational background in engineering and research. I've also ridden one of these for a while but I do not own one
It doesnt take a mechanic to see that their dyno run goes to 6500 while every other dyno run on the internet goes past 8000. Blockhead zooms in on the screen in the video. You can see the run ending at 6500 rpm.
A quick google shows similar results to their dyno run up to 6500 rpm but their runs all continue on to 8300.
Logical reasoning says that if multiple sources do not agree with this dyno run, but do agree with eachother that this result is wrong.
Couple that with my own experience with this motorcycle and knowing that it keeps making power over 8000 rpm and I come to the simple conclusion that this test is flawed.
I dont know why they called it a day at 6500. It does make the other two bikes look better but I don't know if the dyno operator necessarily cares about that. It's effectively sandbagging but i dont know if it's intentional
@@youridv What makes you think he's sandbagging when he praises the motor and says a tuner that raised the rev limit to 8k would give it 80+ horsepower?
I have a Yamaha bolt c spec and i am exited to see what it makes in in power
Power is great but if you go long miles the extra power just drains your overall milage range. I say the Bolt is the way to go.
Almost was expecting a previously on DBZ intro lol
Yamaha seems to love using restricted flow intakes on their cruisers. I'm sure its for emissions regulations. I ride a Yamaha Stryker. One of the first upgrades i did was a better intake. Made a HUGE difference with the performance.
When i replaced my Bolt air filter to VH it feels like a total different bike
I think Yamaha assumes enthusiasts would put bolt-ons on their machines anyway so they put "regulations-friendly" stuff on their bikes by default.
So it had to be an unfair fight to get the HD ballpark. Modded filter and pipes, and that back wheel was accelerating pretty slowly on the runs. And not running the Scout to it's max HP revs.
When in doubt, dyno em out 🤜🏼🤛🏼💯
They ever brought the scout wrong so they didn’t even Dino it right
Eeey
This posted exactly at 10:00 for me :D
Morning XD
75hp damn,nice,my Dragstar 650 got only 40 :D
YES CLUBSTYLE BOLT
Now everyone wants the Scout.
Not me. I hate the looks, the sound and the ergo. I'm likely never going to need that HP or Torque, therefore not as fussed what the dyno numbers are. I'd have the Bolt, Iron 1200/'48 or any Dyna over the Scout.
so about ur iron, is stage 1 or up ?
This is interesting to watch, and it will be neat to see how the mods you do make a difference. In the end though any one of these bikes would be fun to ride and they are cruisers not racing bikes. Three people riding these for 100 miles and they will all get to the same place at the same time. I look like an elephant on a tricycle on any of these, so I would have to have something physically bigger any way.
Told some Harley club guys to switch to Indian and they cussed me out but then we had some beers and talked about beards.
Looking at the power difference between the two bikes, can you blame them for being so insecure?
I hope I win that Indian
I kinda THOUGHT that rev count on the Scout was a bit conservative... And it certainly did put up numbers lower than I called (check my comment on Part 1). I'll be looking forward to seeing the rerun on it, and I'm hoping to see it top 80 hp.
The scout makes 82whp stock, they never went to redline for some reason
I would have thought with the slightly bigger engine the Bolt would have pulled a few extra HP... So that was the only real surprising number to me so far
With a high flow air filter it would
@@markop0lp Ohh yea I know that but for it being fully stock like it is, it was a little surprising is all.. But with it being so choked up and restricted makes sense
They also never took the scout to redline, it actually makes 82whp when taken to redline
I have a 2020 bolt and I’m 350lbs lol. But I still walk all over 883’s. Maybe it’s the extra torque or something idk. Great video guys. I have my bolt over on my channel. Along with the best FPV you have ever seen 😂
Yeah bolt is def faster than 883 a stock 883 makes like 44hp on a good day but that one has air cleaner pipes and a tuner, so it’s a little better than stock. If you did the same for the bolt it would probably have like 10 more hp
I'm 275 and my wife is 200 and we ride the Bolt 2-up with no issues
Just bought my first bike and its a indian scout picking it up in a couple days so excited i cant sleep
Should be fun to see which bike gain the most out of their modifications %ish wise!. I think the most important is to let a machine/engine work at it’s best with the minimum of stress on the parts, yes when you rev it you put stress on the parts but that’s what it is to accelerate a vehicle. I want a wolf in a sheep’s skin. Quiet on idle and cruising and roaring (howling!?) when pulling the throttle. 😁
Indian is a great bike and great price. More modern take on naked bike cruiser
Bro yall are gonna mod them and give the new data too?! ughh this is the best for new buyers. thanks so much.
The only thing is the scout goes to like 8300
Legit trying as hard as they can to not make the Harley look bad lol
Yeah I heard it on the previous video before they even showed the numbers. They're showing low because they didn't rev it to the limiter
I own one and to be honest I have not taken the rpms that high. I don’t think I have even seen the redline published anywhere.
@@chrisb9960 i use to redline the hell out of mine. Only way to get true power from that thing
@@thabrownieviking There’s no allegiances here to any manufacturer, no manufacturer is helping me with the giveaways, I bought all these bikes myself to give away, and I don’t care what the results are. Take off the tinfoil hat, we’re gonna redo the dyno pull for the Indian 👍🏼
what s the name of that killer song at the start of the video ?
Just like said in the first video
1.scout
2.bolt.
3.hd
Indian being superior for the price and more bang for your hard earned dollar.
What be nice all to have exhaust and air just like the HD to test numbers 🤔
I am the most excited to see what the BOLT becomes, especially considering the price point. I ride a Dyna Low Rider, but I play a Yamaha electric bass and often ride to gigs on the Harley with the Yamaha strapped to my back hahah. If that bass is any indication of quality and durability, I think that BOLT will turn out to be a great bike for the duration. I don't ever plan to sell my FXDL but if I needed an affordable second bike I could pick up the Yamaha. Although Indian makes a really decent machine, they don't really stir my soul, no matter what stats and charts the paper wavers want to show off. Maybe would have been different if my first bike was an Indian, but they were still in the past-tense when I started out. Heck, if H-D wasn't around back then I might have been tempted by a Victory (but not one of their spaceship-baggers hahah). I always thought the Octane had potential, even though underwhelming in stock form. All things considered though, I would gladly ride ANY of these bikes, Indian included! Keep up the great work brother!
As a Yamaha fan I was hoping the Bolt would of done better. But that Iron sounds great!
nice to see this being done. the instructor was very good. technical guy for sure. also - is a dyno run hard on a bike. you are reving the hell out it? just curious.
It’s fine for the bike, not sure how smart the instructor is tho. He never even ran the scout to redline
I love how the dyno guy was even like “where is the key”... -.-
UTI what an unfortunate abbreviation
Hahahahahaha “....where is the key?”
I get what he means about predictable power based on the curves. But the scout sits really low and doesn't have good ground clearance. That's the limiting factor in twisties. Not that there's many roads like that in Florida anyway
So I never saw the whiteboard with all the numbers posted?
Compare Kawasaki Vulcan 900 classic and Suzuki Boulevard also
LOVED having the technician explain everything...granted I knew a lot of it...but having someone explain why EXACTLY you need it keep that back pressure by a professional is NICE! All those crying about the Indian...how we supposed to know if there isnt a redline on the tach?? Its Indians fault.... :D
Ignorance isn't an excuse...there's a tach in the odometer area of the speedo on the Scout...or, if you're ignorant of that as a dyno operator, you run it until it bangs the rev limiter.
@@mattshaggs2931 They were doing it in 6th gear brother....thats a LOT of wheel speed for that type of bike..LOL...literally a top speed run. I would be hesitant to do that also :-P I would have been doing it in 4th gear regardless of what the numbers were..but thats just me.
@@redrider0151 That's where he screwed up...the bike hit its speed limiter. I would have ran 4th as well.
Should of done a Harley 48 sportster to compare to the Scout !
Scout would beat it no problem. They never ran the scout to redline also, it actually makes 82whp
Still wouldn't compare considering it would be over 20hp short of the Scout
Damn, i go to school there wish i could have spotted this
A fan from China here, yaaaa, gonna save money for my Indian for the next five years lol
So no part 3?
You cant compare a modified bike to stock
They just did...
I want that Scout.
Damn that was my first guess lol
Looking at FortNine's recent video and thinking maybe the Revolution Max engine in one version of the Sportster, could be what they are thinking as an answer to Indian. Good content, learning a lot.
A stock comparison of these bikes, do not tell the whole story, nor does it offer potential buyers, the opportunity to know all the benefits to owning the sportster. Of the bikes in this comparison, the little sportster is the only bike, that can be easily modded to make 100 hp and almost 90 ft lb. Pick up a used buell engine , xb12 , for example. You can get one for about 1 thousand bucks. In a weekend you can easily tear down the sportster engine, take the case to a local machinery shop that works on Harley's. Get the case machined to accept the buell crank / bottom end ( it's cheap and a common mod. The next weekend, you drop in the buell crank, rods and pistons. You use the buell jugs, the heads, the cams, the pushrods and lifters, the rocker box components. You get the upgrade oil pump. Flash a tune to the ecu, after the weekend you have a 500 lb monster that has over 100hp and 90 ft lb, for under 2k bucks ( if your smart and do the work your self) you will never have those opportunity with the other 2 bikes. Or you could get a big bore kit, get a hammer performance 110 kit ( 110 hp) , and easily install it on a weekend. Look at all the other options. Custom frames, wheels, suspension, forks, seats, gas tanks, fenders, an incredible aftermarket, exhaust systems etc.
After owning any of these bikes for a time, eventually you'll need to service and replace parts. The Harley uses almost all Ford part numbers for the fuel injection. The air temperature sensor, o2 sensor, the throttle position sensor, the fuel pump etc. Is all ford. After years of ownership, if any of those parts fail or become worn and you need to replace them, you can go to any local parts store, they'll have what you need in stock, and cheap, no special ordering. For the other bikes, your going to barnies, or a dealer for those parts, they won't be in stock, you'll pay a Premium, and have to wait for special ordering. The little sportster 883 isn't impressive in a stock review, but of all these bikes, the sportster is a bike that can grow with you, it's like buying a crappy computer, knowing tho that it has an upgrade path, so as you grow and save some money, you can upgrade parts as you want, making it an amazing computer. As apososed to a computer that can't be upgraded. Your stuck with it. You will never be able to do these things with the other 2 bikes, as you can the Harley. Buy the bolt, after a few years when you outgrow it, you wont be able to just slap on a 1200 kit, you'll never make that bike anything more than it is beyond cosmetics. Then when you try to sell it, you'll loose your ass on its depreciation. You can pick up a beautiful sportster for about 2500 bucks. Mint. When you're ready for a big bike, get a 12 or 1300 kit for it, or use a buell engine. I've never listened to a review, where these things are talked about. I think its important tho, as the things I mentioned, can be very appealing to some people.
My bolt has stage 5 power comander and full vance and hines exhaust I wonder what my hp and torque is. I need to find a dyno
Is it easy to set up the PC based on what V and H stuff you installed?
@@HooDRidEWhiteY I bought it with the 2 into 2 slash staggered. I wish it was 2 into one but its a full exhaust. If any one has a two to one that wants to trade get at me
@@HooDRidEWhiteY also bought it with the power comander
@@californiapoontappa thanks for answering
@@HooDRidEWhiteY no worries do you have a bolt? I love mine great handling fun and love to wheelie
8:55 There's NO horseplay in the dyno!
NO!!! Only HORSEPOWER is allowed!!!
sounds like im getting an exhaust and intake for my bolt
Arachni get a Ivans flash also
Does the Ivan's flash get customized to the intake and pipe you buy? What's the best combo?
Cool to see! The Indian did really well!
They didn't even run it out to max power...they cut it off at 6k RPM when peak is at 8,300. At least the dyno dude is right...if he ran it out to actual redline, he would have seen around 83hp.
The HD tech is very knowledgeable.
Yay
hahahahaha !!! "Dyno'd in Canada".... yeah...because everyone knows we never get above freezing. Once you cross the 48th parallel, that's it.... perma winter....until you go farther north to hit Alaska...then it goes back to USA temps. We don't run tests outside in a blizzard, or in an industrial igloo. Controlled settings, man. lmao :P
Them shifty Canadians.
Lol, not sure if your from Canada but in the summers it commonly hits 34c
@@rohinhans7819 Yeah...I was being sarcastic.
This guy knows his shit! Not like the Harley guys where you turned your bike... just sain' 🤫
I’d like to see a stock HD 1200 on the Dino.
Poor performer when stock. At least it would need a high flow air filter and high flow exhaust to show some of its potential.
@@omarsalgado9715 I would still like to see it so I know how it measures up to the Scout. It might be more of an even match.
Dyno... yea autocorrect strikes again.
@@chrisb9960 I would like to see that too. But, for what I've learned, top hp number is produced under a specific condition: having the engine revved up or stressed. It is not that we buy a bike and that sold number is constant throughout all the ride/rpm. And there lies the question: in a racing environment, having the engine revved up is not a not option, but a must; for cruising, an engine that pulls hard from the low end rpm range would be more pleasurable. So in my view comparing hp numbers in cruiser bikes has no sense, since cruiser aren't built for racing, and since streets or freeways or highways do not present the best or optimum conditions for ultra high speeds (other drivers, bad roads and multiple hazards), what's the point in owning a high hp bike for street use? People lose their heads over a well marketed number.
So the scout isn’t only the best looking motorcycle but also a better performer than the rest! If I’ll ever ride a motorcycle, that motorcycle is gonna be an Indian Scout Bobber.
Thanks fir the video guys, so informative, It makes me finally understand those graphs.
The scout actually makes 82whp, they never redlined it for some reason
the dyno run power curve should show a peak. The very top of this peak shows the maximum power at a certain rev. The curve at the Yamaha is just right, both graphs have a summit. The power curves of the Harley and of the Indian have NO summit on the graph in sight. So the bikes should be raving much, much further. So stopping the Scout on the dyno run at 6000 rpm (there is no summit on the graph i sight) shows only that this bike has 75 hp at 6000 rpm. BUT the engine runs up to 8300 rpm, where a summit on the power graph should be visible. And here at 8300 rpm the Scout should have 102 hp - like as my 2016 Scout has. It goes like hell!
should have dynod a honda rebel 500 too
So conclusion is base vulcan s has more horse power than both the 883 and bolt but less torque than both
the bolt is begging for a club style look...it also needs to be modded for performance...those numbers are kinda sad....
Dyno said my stock 1133cc scout has 103hp you must have let off throttle WAY prematurely it raps out to 9k rpm... thats the red line... you SHOULD have opened up the throttle
@4200 rpm, IN THE POWER BAND. 🤦🏽 this is why i went to San Juan and NOT UTI 😂
to elaborate on what the guy was getting at you lose horse power from the primary chain the belt sprockets the wheel and wind resistance. all that combined you lose about 30-40 horse power average on harley's. so yes that big fat 240 rear tire on the break out will take away horse power