Sad part is he never needed to go down the PED path. He was great without it. It was his pride and ego that drove him down that path when he saw the accolades other PED players were receiving.
He has said himself it was seeing all the attention on Mark and Sammy while he was putting up Natural MVP numbers while being way overlooked. So you're absolutely correct💯
This is what I always say. The guy was easily a Hall of Famer before any of the PEDs. Unfortunately, the allegations will always overshadow the many amazing season he had before them.
@@rbbrbb4715 He was a great player that soiled his reputation by turning to PEDs. The HR chase between McGwire and Sosa was in 1998. "Assuming" Bonds was clean through 1998 and he started the PEDs the following season, he was averaging 31.6 HRs per season up until that point. In 1999, he turned 34 years old and players start to decline in their mid 30's. At best, if he plays the same length of time and his performance doesn't decline (which is unlikely because no one beats father time naturally) he probably gets near 690 HR's. Adjusting for natural decline, he probably doesn't get near 690 but is still probably top 6 all-time and just ahead of GriffeyJr.
For those old enough to remember watching Bonds during his steroid era, the video can’t truly capture how incredible he was to watch. During this period if you threw Bonds a strike that caught any decent part of the plate, the ball was leaving the yard, period. He was walked once a game of not more, and on at least one occasion intentionally walked with the bases loaded. It was a surreal scene to watch his at bats.
I remember he played against the Mets and they intentionally walked him while the bases were loaded lol never saw anything like that ever, dude was hacking irl
I'll never forget seeing Bonds during the 1998 Home Run derby. Watching Mark McGwire launch moon shot after moon shot. I think Sosa ended up winning. Anyway Bonds is watching McGwire like a kid who just saw the greatest toy any kid could ever hope to get from Santa under the Christmas tree. More excited than the fans almost. It was the next year in 99 he showed up 20 pounds heavier, head shaved, forehead popping out like a cro magnon and his HR % jumped from 5.3% to 7.8% and of course only went up from there. His stolen bases went from 28 to 15 as he lost speed. less doubles and triples as well he was just swinging for the fences. It didn't take a genius to figure out what he did.
@@teejay3698No one worked harder than Bonds during Offseason ... While most of the players beggan training and regular season out of shape Bonds always put good April numbers.
You can see a distinct difference in Barry Bonds’ build from his days as a Pirate to his days as a Giant. Plus, the homers he hit went a whole lot further when he was a Giant than they ever did while he was a Pirate.
Crazy thing is he was going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer with his Pittsburgh Pirates pre-steroids build. Then again steroids do help you with recovery so who knows he might’ve gotten hurt if he never take them so
I saw Bonds hit 2 in Kansas City. When the dude came to bat, you couldn't hear a peep in a sold out stadium crowd. The ball coming off his bat made a sound I have never heard from any other hitter, ever. The ball jumped to every field with such a scary pace, no matter if he had gone to the opposite field or pulled it. Sad thing is, as some mentioned, he was doing that before he was juicing.
There are some players who really showed great improvement with PED. McGuire, Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro and Juan Gonzales to name a few. However, it's Bond's post prime numbers that are simply not believable. No human athlete ever got better after his prime. Bond's was really juicing! He wanted to be the King of Baseball... He wanted to replace the Babe. No way. No one talks about Bonds when they talked about GREAT hitters. He ruined his image.
@@anti-apathy9715 KUDOS! "No human athlete ever got BETTER after their prime." What in Jehovahs business more do have to realize. And it has since STOPPED. Man we are pathetic to let these irrtional thoughta paralyze us in hero worship. SAD.
The thing with Bonds is that he was a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer if he had never touched 'roids/PED. He was on a pace to be a top 15 player All-time had he never touched 'roids/PED.
Years ago I worked out 7 days a week with three other guys. Two of the four decided on the juice and one guy and myself decided to not. The growth of the other two (after two years of being neck and neck in workouts) was unbelievable. I am not saying that it was the steroids alone but one guy lost his mind and house and cars and marriage and the other guy, once he stopped juicing, stopped working out and disappeared. Haven't seen or heard of him in years. Does it work? You bet your ass it works! Overnight! But Boys, let me tell you this one very isolated story ... these two guys were "all kinds of f*cked up after getting on the juice"! Gains? You betcha! Temporary? Definitely? Did it F them up? I am not a doctor but I saw what I saw and it was bad.
Yeah but I would guess that recreational drug users probably are more impulsive and reckless in the first place, even while sober, than non-drug users.
During his freak years everyone just focused on the hr totals, but equally impressive to me was that Dbacks game in the video, he stroked his 40th hr while posting a .341 avg, and his obp was even more gaudy. Literal video game numbers
Right! I think that he would have gotten close to 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases if he didn’t do steroids. That would be an incredible record to have, but he wanted more.
Bonds talent clearly didnt fall off a cliff as he aged though! Was still great ages 40-43 His stats were still good to great Didnt he led the majors in on base percent his final season??
@@lmcc0072 He would probably have 140 WAR and retire at 40 if he did not do steroids. He had a 180 OPS+ from 1990-2000 for 11 straight years. His worst hitting season in those 11 seasons were 156 OPS+. For comparison, Judge already has 5 seasons worse than that. Bonds is arguably the greatest defender in left field. Without steroids, he would have reached 600 stolen bases instead of 514 because he would got slower using roids and 600 Home Runs (he already have 494 HRs before the steroids). 600/600 club, 140 WAR, best defender for his position. Bonds BEFORE HE TOOK STEROIDS was Judge with steroids lol but he is also much quicker and much better defender. He would still be one of the GOATS without steroids.
@Lionel Clay how then did he hit .370 ? Because he was getting around on pitches he couldn't have gotten around on before. His bat speed definitely increased
@@Cincinnatus1869 Actually, the bad speed didn’t change much from BONDS 206 lbs (Pirates) of 67.34mph to BONDS 230 lbs (Giants) of 68.81. He used the same 32oz bat throughout his career. Mph difference was 1.48mph which is not a ridiculous change for your conclusion. He was a low and high middle in hitter for the most part. However, he had no problem going opposite field and dead center. He had the eye for it just like some good players do is all. He was the best LF of the 90s hands down. It sucks that he got caught up with the roids era honestly. He still deserves to go to the hall of fame like the rocket, aroid, palmeiro, Big Mac. Do you agree? I’m 45 years old so.... Question, during your lifetime, who is the best 5 tool talent baseball player you’ve ever seen played? Mine is the kid Griffey Jr
Yeah, as far as you know. Would you put your hands in the fire for any of them? Griffey kind of blew up a bit too, except his body broke down on him, he didn't become this super monster cyborg like Bonds
@@trevor5904 yup, fact of the matter is, no one is safe. It wasnt just about bulking up. It was also about stamina and recovery time. They also had masking agents to avoid any positive tests. Every now and then someone still tests positive.
The reason the STEROID LOSERS don't like talking about their STEROIDS: The STEROID LOSERS want us to believe their "size" & "strength" came from lifting weights! The STEROID LOSERS want us to buy their BOGUS supplements & "training programs"! FAKES & CROOKS! Stay natural buddy!
The most amazing thing about Bonds was his plate discipline. Forget all the home runs for a minute. His walks and on base were inhuman. #7 all time. Steroids or not, this is pure talent.
@@dantedlane2 no he had the best plate discipline since Ted Williams and he drew 2,558 walks and only 688 were intentional, and he still had to square up the ball to hit it that far
We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind! ROIDERS are FAKES! Stay natural buddy!
@@dantedlane2 nope. most sources say he started taking roids in 1998 due to envy over the sosa/mcgwire hr race. he lead the league in walks multiple times in his career before 1998. an incredibly disciplined hitter, but adding steroids to the mix in the last half of his career truly made him a pitchers worst nightmare
@@mattievans6023 after the 98 season, be clear. the jealousy was because of the RESULTS of the 98 season where mcgwire and sosa both passed maris. roids started in 99 for him and it is a big difference statistically
Regardless of steroid use, hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things to do in sport and at his peak he was a threat at the plate like no other player that has ever played the game. It was amazing to watch him hit. I can't imagine another player getting to that level of play again.
He was a fraud. His pop ups were going 450-ft. The shift started for the first time since Ted Williams because of him. He ballooned to 230-lbs in one off -season.
@@ibuprofenPill lots. I personally watched him at then Pac Bell Park routinely hit pop homer after pop homer in '03, '04. It was a joke. The body language of the pitchers he faced, after such a HR, said it all. In the early days of PacBell Park, they used to have a HR count board in right field there that kept track of how many HRs that were hit over the right field wall made it, in the air, into SF Bay (pretty close behind the r. field wall there). They had people in small craft who'd miss the game just to be in position to retrieve a homer. I was told repeatedly that Bonds was personally responsible for over half of balls that hit the water on the fly. In '04, at 42, I gave up my lifetime passion for MLB. I did this because of that d-head destroying the history of the game with his "clear" and "gold" pharmaceuticals. Of course, there were others. They all got away with it and baseball just moved on. Not good enough.
He was barely making it over fence then in old age knocking them OUT! Bobble head Barry bonds is a joke. Great player before a joke afterwards they knew all these guys where on roids just put one in hof not long ago Ortiz
The book 'Game of Shadows', which chronicled Bonds' steroid use, was on point in its assessment of steroid use: if you were an ok player, steroids made you good, if you were good, steroids made you great, if you were great, steroids made you a legend. Bonds was great without the steroids.
Jury did not convict Bonds of lying in sworn testimony about his drug use. But they did convict him of obstructing justice with evasive and misleading testimony.
Three of us were workout partners and we would hit the gym every morning and every evening 6 days a week, we worked out like animals. At the same time, 3 individuals joined the gym approximately our age. They were fit, in good shape but after a period of time started injection steroids. Within 7 months they left us in the dust, they grew and gained so much muscle and size in such a short period of time that it frustrated us. We were working out 3 hours per day and they surpassed us in no time. Years later I run into one of them and he has lost 90% of the size he gained and later I ran into another one of his training partners and he was overweight. Steroids allowed them to make incredible gains but it is fleeting. Look at before and after pictures of former Mr. Olympias. If you want gains that last go natural, it is slower, more difficult but healthy and long lasting!
Size doesn't matter like it does in football. Until the 90s lifting was generally considered counterproductive by limiting ROM and flexibility. The average player now is stacked compared to the players of the 80s and before, as weights are used properly. But, roids were there as the weights increased (as was creatine and all the other cocktails meant to improve a workout and gains, to a much lesser degree). You still have to see and hit the ball. Other than his belt and hat size, Bonds showed a-typical general roid behavior, becoming almost Zen like.
@@nigabastard1268 Ok, thanks for the advice Jack A$$$$$! Of course benching 405, squat 450 and 1,200 leg press 45 degree angle for 12 reps and curling 220 Natural was the result. 52" chest 18" arms and 32 inch waist! Have you done better you clown? Would I advice 3 hour workouts per day now, No, but this was a different time period and the results we achieved with NO HGH, Steriods, etc was good enough for us!
Regardless of steroids, Bonds is one of the most dominant players to ever play the game. Also, steroids don't help you hit the ball. The hand-eye coordination, reflexes, and intelligence are the most important things to a player. That's why he was dominant even before steroids.
I remember he was a dangerous hitter with the Pirates. He never needed steroids. He would have made the HOF without them. He would have gotten 500 homeruns 3000 hits or both. I remember he played in the first MLB game I saw in person. He went 3-4 with a single double and a HR. He was awesome even without the steroids!
An obvious steroid situation was Buddy Bell's son, who played for Seattle and Cincy. He had one great year and his shoulders were huge. Two years after, he had a bad year and the next injuries and poof never seen anything about him ever again.
@@rickrobitaille8809 it's not at all semantics. Some players did it just to keep their jobs or earn a higher level of income. Bonds was already a superstar bound for the hall of fame. He did it to put himself above even the best hall of famers.
I know alot of people don't like Barry Bonds I'm one myself but you absolutely can't take away the fact that he was by far the best Baseball Player in his Era possibly ever... Hand eye coordination has nothing to do with Steroids.. You couldn't fool Barry at the plate its like he knew what pitch was coming next
Yea but bat speed and strength are enhanced by Steroids and that makes all the difference. Base hits and flyballs become homeruns once you are on the juice!
Pre-steroid Bonds (age 21 - 34) averaged 32 HRs per year. Steroid Bonds (age 35-39) averaged 52 HRs per year. ALL the steroid users, both hitters and pitchers (like Clemens) put up huge numbers during their mid- to late-30s and later, years when all normal athletes endure a natural decline in performance. Looked at another way, four of the five best HR years for non-steroid Bonds immediately preceded the year when he began to use steroids. But even those excellent years, from age 31 - 34, showed consistent decline in power: 42, 40, 37 and 34 HRs respectively. Then at age 35... BOOM: 49 HRs. There is absolutely no question that all his HR records are tainted by steroid use. Which is a shame, because he was a legitimate 5-tool player, one of the best in history, and would easily have been a first-ballot Hall of Fame inductee were it not for the steroids.
A lot of guys are either still dominant or even improve in their late-30's and early 40's, but they just choose to retire because they have already been playing for 20 years and opponents have figured them out. Nolan Ryan, Tony Gwynn, David Ortiz, Randy Johnson, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, and many other players had dominant seasons in their early 40's, although Mays declined when he was 42. One big factor for the decline doesn't seem to be related to biological aging at all, but rather pitchers' strategies improving against the players because they have a lot more data and film to study. Look at how Ichiro declined: pitchers and catchers just figured him out and he was too stubborn to adapt. Pitchers' cut-fastballs improving a lot is what hurt Ichiro, not age.
Stats mean little till you provide all the stats….like the % of HR’s during your time frame to compare his in ease vs the leagues increases too. Also, where you are in the line up means something. BB was a lead off hitter at times.
Bonds age thirty-four-year would be a steroid year. The years before age twenty-five would be his early years when hitters hit less HR as a rule. Then you have expansion, the last one taking place in 1998. If you look at records after expansion, you will see that power hitting increased. Testing for steroids started in 2003. Bonds still hit a lot of homers after that, even in his last two years after the injury year at age 40. There are some hitters that clocked a lot of homers at a later age. The most pronounced case is that of Cy Williams in the 1920s. Hank Aaron also had a surge in HR production in his later years. So, your numbers are somewhat skewed because of the way you divide the years. Also, started right after 1998, Bonds went into serious training, something that he didn't do before. He was known as a laid-back player, but when he saw all the adulations that McGwire and Sosa were receiving, he took it upon himself to go into training. And last, he only admitted to taking the cream. There is no proof that he ever did steroids. And how is it that steroids improved his performance but had a deleterious impact on Canseco's?
@@steviesevieria1868 all your favorite players before steroid dra will still taking performance enhancements also pitchers were taking forms of meth like adderall from the 1950s on
F it, its entertainment and if I can pay to see that 500 ft yard hit thats great. You still have to have been a great hitter to do this. Also if a pro athlete can be around an extra 5 seasons on Andro or whatever it was at the time, so be it.
I’ll also add a question for you all, why are the PEDs in baseball such a cheat that both fans and esp writers ostracize plays even suspected of using them but in the NFL it’s a few games suspension and fans and the rest just lament the loss of the player for a few games, then put them in the Hall of Fame if they were good enough, even on PEDs?
I remember Bonds when he first came into the league and he used to be known as a big time threat to steal. He and KG Jr. were probably the greatest pure hitters of all time. Bonds would have been in the HOF even without juicing.
Ted Williams was before most of our time but you’re probably right. Even in Bonds’ own generation there was Tony Gwynn who was also a good hitter. Ichiro was, too, but lacked power.
@@chamuuemura5314 In this day and age he's just about before EVERYONE'S time. :) His numbers are pretty mindblowing when you consider that he was the last hitter to average over .400 for a season, finished with a career batting average over.340, yet slammed 521 home runs along the way and finished with a slugging percentage second only to that of Babe Ruth. Add to that the fact he essentially lost five prime years to military service and his case is pretty solid - and I say all that as a Yankees fan! :)
I was talking to my dad today and he was telling me how he met up with an old friend he hadn’t seen in 30 years and it brought up all these memories he forgot about. I told him I can’t remember my teenage years at all. He told me I will whenever something triggers those memories. Not even 24 hours later a random Barry Bonds montage pops up on my CZcams feed and BAM.
This is what sucks about losing your friends to life or death :/ You truly do lose a part of yourself, because they hold memories you don’t have, and you hold one’s they don’t The best is when a 3rd party shows up and remembers things both of you forgot I used to have impeccable memory up to a couple years ago, and it just turned into blocks missing :/ sucks
It’s actually quite sad that a 40/40 guy, a multiple gold glover, a guy with a decade of splits at .300+/.400+/.1000+, a literal top ten player ALL TIME felt he HAD to do steroids to get the recognition he deserved. You ever hear the story of the dinner he had with Griffey after the Sosa McGuire home run season? They had been a friends since Griffey was like 17. They had a lot in common. Both raised with fathers in the league, both phenoms, both black. Apparently they related to each other and were good friends. Anyway, after the 98 season Bonds takes Griffey out for dinner. Bonds tells him how he feels. That he’s basically tired of McGuire and Sosa and the other steroids home run hitters getting all the recognition and never getting punished for taking steroids. He’s better than they are. He’s decided. If that’s what the league wants. If they are simply going to encourage these cheaters, than he’s going to do it as well. Griffey should consider doing the same... Griffey said that he had kids and he didn’t want his kids to even think he was a cheater. Their careers diverged from there. Bonds went in to have the greatest hitting seasons in the history of baseball. The rest of Hriffeys career was downhill from there. Plagued by injury. And he was like 5 years younger than Bonds. Then again Griffey is in the Hall and Bonds isn’t. But you can’t help sympathize with Bonds. He had seen steroid use and steroid users not only countenanced and not punished but glorified by the league and press during his decade in the league. Every one knew about steroids and no cared. So if that’s the way people felt than he would do them too. After years of not doing them and getting no credit at all. Then he does then and everyone collectively changes their minds and now he’s a cheater. Shit sucks...
I don't agree that "nobody cared". It turned a LOT of fans off when they found out about all the juicing. I no longer care about McGwire, Sosa, Bonds and their accomplishments, they're tainted. I'm excited to see how many homers Judge will get this year, and if Pujols can get to 700.
That's why I blame the MLB. They failed to protect the sanctity of the game and their legendary homerun records. I remember when that reporter found that androstene or whatever in McGwires locker and nobody cared, it wasn't a secret though us fans didnt know the extent across the league. What I find sad is that now those homerun records will never come close to being broken unless the player is also cheating. Bonds was always a superstar and a great player though I think Griffey was better until injuries and Bonds taking steroids. Bonds in roids was probably the best offensive force in baseball history. I'm also assuming alot of pitchers were juiced up also but I'm not sure how it was compared to alot of hitters. Baseball really screwed up not protecting their game and forever losing alot of luster for the recorded.
@@DoubleJHas2ManyDoodles And it helps warning track fly balls go over the fence instead of being caught in front of it. Had to have added dozens to his homer total.
@@DoubleJHas2ManyDoodles I used to have this argument with my buddy who was a Bonds fan, "roids don't help you hit the ball" , , but they do, your body on juice is a totally different animal, you recover faster, your muscles react faster, stronger, ....and a once pop up to left turns into a upper deck home run, every pro can hit the ball, they are pros after all, , on steroids, they are pros with super powers.
Bonds is a hall of famer, period. He was on a hall of Fame career path prior to PEDs, and he was going up against pitchers on steroids and competing against contemporaries on steroids. Others were able to stay under the radar on peds while he ascended to being the greatest and most terrifying batter of all time
It’d be good if you added some context and wrote his age or the season he was in when he hit each home run to better understand where he was in his career at that point.
The same people complaining about the steroid era in baseball were the same ones praising Mcguire and Sosa for bringing baseball back from the dead. Also, steroids do NOT make you hit home runs. They do help you hit them further. You still have to have natural hand eye coordination.
Actually they do help you hit hr’s. Bat speed is the key. If you already have bat speed..bigger and stronger means more bat speed. And it doesn’t increase into your upper 30’s unless….
Great no nonsense batting stance. Full body swing. I don’t condone steroids, but a homer that barely clears the wall or goes to the upper deck is the same earned run. No matter what, he started with a great stance and swing.
‘Full Body’ swings typically result in top spin - Bonds was a freak bc of how quick his hands were through the zone. Short Swing w/ bat speed generated by leading with your hands creates back spin, which is why Bonds HR’s seemed to keep rising.. all backspin.
I’m 43 yrs old, born in 1978, been following baseball and going to games since the mid ‘80’s and steroids or no steroids, he’s still the best ball player I have ever seen in person.
I've been watching baseball since late 70's. Bonds was always a great player, with or without steroids or PED's. I personally have no issue with the PED's. I mean I'd rather they not be a part of any professional sport, but during the end of Bonds career I'd say a huge percentage of players were taking PED's, and I would imagine if I was in any of their positions I probably would have taken them too. It became part of the culture. They make you stronger and recover quicker, but they don't exactly make you a better baseball player. The ones that were great and rose to legendary status were great ballplayers to begin with. They were all on the juice, why are people trying to condemn only the few? Regardless of steroids Bonds was one of the best hitters of all-time. Go Cubs!!!
In 1997 Barry Bonds was clean, a five tool player, the best in the game and he knew it. Suddenly juiced up McGwire and Sosa come along and become the heroes of the nation in 1998, and Bonds becomes barely a footnote. I'm not saying it's right what he did, but I can understand why he did it.
@@BXGUY73 facts...that homerun record was arguably the most sacred record in sports and took that by cheating...I can't stand Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire and ESPECIALLY Sammy Sosa
@@damianbegley I'm from Baltimore, George Herman Ruth's birthplace. He played in a different era against different opponents, none of whom were African American. In every category, he has been bested by Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds.
Bonds didn't have more home runs because some teams essentially refused to pitch to him during his PED era. The combination of power, average and good eye was ridiculous. He was going to hit 550 to 600 home runs easily with PEDs and go the HOF.
@@jefferyschroeder5245 I don't know about that... but even if true anyone could have used it, and many were on roids - but Bonds was the only one launching balls into the cove consistently. He was a hated player, but his talent and baseball IQ were off the charts. A polarizing figure for sure, but love him or hate him the world stopped when he stepped into the box, during a game or batting practice.
@@Alundrahs I've thought about that a lot... I read the book Game Of Shadows written by a reporter that hated Bonds. Even that book admitted that he only began using PEDs in 98 or 99 (I can't remember off hand) after Mcguire and Sosa got all that love for their home run chase, Bonds felt he was the better and more complete player then both of them. He was jealous that they got all the attention. At this point, Bonds was already 400HR/400SB, he could have retired that day and been first ballot HOF, no debate there. Bonds had a rough relationship with the fans but especially the media. He often was not kind or outwardly engaging - he played with a chip on his shoulder. He grew up as a kid in the SFGs dugout with Mays/McCovey, he was never impressed by the fact that he was a baseball player, this was expected of him. So he was never in awe of the reporters, he was grumpy from the start! His father also had a tumultuous relationship with the media so Bonds learned from that as well... it's a complicated case, and Bonds has rarely done himself any PR favors. Admittedly, he's easy to hate. He was arrogant, but knew he was the best. Whatever the case, I am a Giants fan and the early 2000s and the feats he performed with a bat, wow! I've just never seen that kind of domination so consistently. It was an interesting time to be a SFGs fan, that for sure...
@Jason Rodriguez dude you haven't done shit research. There is evidence that he communicated daily with a man who was known as the kingpin of hgh. All over bonds transformations are signs. I don't give a shit about court. Did Michael Jackson sexually abuse those boys? I could go on an on. You haven't done any research, nobody in the whole planet is arguing as you do. What do you suspect that means? Sigh.
Conte showed the BALCO files Bonds was on The CLEAR HGH and EPO he testified under congress and Bonds never disputed it .He thought it was flaxseed oil In the beginning till the medical records were made public.Please the testing was a JOKE then
I will say the way that bat looked in his hand post steroids was crazy. I miss that swing the way he got thru the zone and turned on a ball was beautiful. Was lucky enough to see him play a lot in S. F.
i remember going to a Mets game he hit one homer his first at bat, so they tried to intentionally walk him and he hit a homer off a intentional walk guy was just different.
He should be in the hall of fame. One of the greatest baseball players ever. MLB turned a blind eye because of revenue and then get mad at the players for doing something they encouraged.
Bonds was a lock for the Hall of Fame before the steroids. The jealousy of the attention Sosa and McGwire were getting in that Homerun Derby of a season in 1998 is what set him off. Narcissism is what ruined Barry Bonds.
No it was the will to be the best which we should all strive for. Bonds did it the right way. You do whatever, by any means necessary to be thr best. Anything
@@nonyabizz3533 except ken griffey jr was just as good as him and bonds and sosa and never touched PED's or steroids and is now in the hall of fame. Griffey could have done WAYYY more in his career if he would have just avoided that jump into the outfield wall that fuked up both of his knees and basically derailed his career from that point on
I agree. I lived through it and remember it well. I think the biggest key was McGwire who was juiced up probably doing basic roids. Bonds was likely doing HGH which caused his head/neck to swell. Jealousy definitely played some part in it along with the fact that it was open season for roid use back then- never thinking that they'd get caught. And honestly, if it wasn't for Canseco, this era might've gotten swept under the rug.
I think Tony Gwynn probably had the best wrist snap I’ve seen from a hitter this side of Hank Aaron, Barry bonds is by far the greatest dead red hitter during an at bat I’ve ever seen, easily
@@dicktracy5066 he had a very short, compact swing with tremendous speed on it. he'd actually be waiting on a 100 mph fastball. The man had incredibly quick reflex as well. Saw him many times jerk a 100 mph ball foul and out of the stadium.. right field, btw. insane. nobody did it like Bonds. I remember an interview with Yellich when Bonds was coaching Miami as their hitting coach. Yellich stated that Bonds taught him a LOT about hitting.
@@jimtaylor6447 you think his career in SF is a lil tainted??!?! Cause I can't sit here and say he didn't cheat the game and the sad part is I'm a dodgers fan and still respected his game play. We talk about this topic a lot In my Barbershop...
V6ix I personally don’t view it as tainted per se, even though by the rules regarding federal regulation on PED use (off the top of my head) probably establishes that he did break rules. Granted, MLB did a poor job enforcing them too, and since so many players used at the time, it makes me care even less to try dropping the whole “tainted” label on him (which by the way would apply to 1999-2007). So many players used and still sucked. I’m honestly so happy that he used because McGwire and Sosa, while they were using were still not better players than him, and so when he hopped on the bandwagon and used, it was so unfair to everyone else because he was already the best. Dude literally broke baseball, and that stretch from 2001-2004 is the single greatest highlight reel in the history of the sport. Whether people like it or not, this man is the best player of all-time.
@@eugenemotes9921 Did I strike a nerve Eugene??? Math and credibility isn’t your fucking forte is it? And change that wimpy name too if you want to be taken seriously. Eugene Motes and Ill Suck You is the same thing in YT here
Bonds knew he was the best of his generation before taking roids but when he saw not only Sosa but guys like Brady Anderson and Greg Vaughn jacking more homers than he ever did in his career around 1998 I think that pissed off him. He had to set the bar once again.
No way. Before he started juicing, no one would have taken him over Griffey. For most, probably not over Frank Thomas either. Steroids inflated Bonds' place in history by a lot.
@@dominickmilano4858 rings to prove he was the best of his generation? Like Mike Trout? Griffey doenst have any rings either, no MVPs etc. If you hate Bonds because of the steroid stuff, that’s legitimate. But you gotta hate other players just as much as well.
look at eric davis stats from 1986 to 1990 especially awesome for how many games he missed then check out barry bonds stats from 86 to 90 when you add defense and arm eric davis was better than barry bonds very similar builds tall and wirey and a few years later look at bonds physique from steroids
When you hit a third of your career home runs after turning THIRTY-SEVEN, you have no room to be mad when people label you a steroid user. He hit his 500th HR in the middle of that insane 2001 season, and he hit another 262 in only 6+ seasons after that..
The only issue I have with it. is the same guys that voted him MVP while on the roids are the same ones that punished him and not let him in the HOF because of roids....
It has nothing to do with steroids this is the The big misconception it is called a GABA globulin it is a blood proteins comes from fetuses they use this stuff on soldiers that go overseas in the heck of hell were you need tolerance immunity quick healing you have no idea I’m 61 years old and 20 years younger and I still do it like a demon you have to pay attention to the lies to the misconception misconception and non-reality I don’t care one way or the other there’s nothing right or wrong about it but I do not put the veil over Sedy‘s eye and not tell the truth that’s why they get away with it they don’t lie they just do not tell the truth so go figure but after the figurines are all gone now’s going to figure nothing
Stopped watching baseball after bonds retired. He was the greatest hitter I’d ever seen. Teams would walk him and allow runs rather than face him. He was amazing
Has there ever been a 5 year stretch in baseball where a player put up the numbers Bonds did from 2000-2004? Dude went from being arguable the best player in the game to a 5 year stretch of perhaps being the most feared hitter of all time. Steroids or not, you have to have the ability to hit/lay off pitches. He didn't just become marginally better, be became a fucking machine.
The 90s were unreal. The home run chase between Sosa & McGwire was insane. I remember every day checking Sportscenter and it seemed like every single day one of them had hit a home run. The other thing was Arizona Diamondbacks pitching. Schilling and Johnson regularly were throwing complete game shutouts or 8 IN 1 R 12 Ks. On a daily basis. Ken Griffey Jr and Barry Bonds were killing the ball. When Bonds finally decided to take over, it wasn't about the power alone. His batting average became insane. .340 .370 & then he mastered the strike zone on a godly level. If you threw it in the zone. GONE. If you missed he wouldn't even flinch. He calmly watched the ball pass by as if it was in slow motion. Ive never seen someone so locked in for so long. Not Judge, not Pujols, not Soto, not Griffey Jr, Sosa, McGwire, etc. Bonds was better than Ted Williams on roids. Even when he retired his last season was amazingly efficient. He couldn't run for squat but he probably could have DH'd for 3-4 more years but the league shut that down. I have no doubt that he had 75 more HRs in him. Maybe more.
@@patrickfoley6215Barry Bonds is probably the greatest hitter who ever lived, steroids or not. I was a big fan of Aaron growing up, I absorbed documentaries and books about the guy, but I’ve never seen a hitter like Bonds ever. He’s better than Aaron, might be the greatest player who ever lived
First 14 years of his career, before Steroids, 8 Gold Gloves, 3 MVPs, 2,000 Games, 445 HRS, 1,299 RBIs, 460 SBs, 1,430 BBs, .288 Ave, .409 OBP, .556 SLG, .968 OPS. From 1990 to 1999 before PEDs he hit Less than 30 HRs once (25). He was a first ballot Hall of Fame candidate at that time. PED numbers were great but all fluff as far as his credentials. Only player in history with 500 HR and 500 SB.
He cheated the game. His steroid use allowed him to wait back on every pitch since a fastball wasn't getting by him with his increased bat speed. Steroids make a difference. If he would've been a Hall of Famer anyway then he himself should've never taken steroids. Bonds didn't need it to keep his job, he wanted to get the attention just like McGuire and Sosa and fell into that trap. I agree he would've been in the Hall if he would've just kept on training like normal but he had to get the best of the best designer steroid for some crazy reason.
@@maverickcheston8874 if steroids helped bat speed as much as you think it does why didn’t it increase any other players bat speed? He seems like the only player that benefited during this time with contact rate , walks, not just free passes and hard contact rate. The owners needed this and I think encouraged players after the strike because attendance was way down. The Marlins averaged about 7,000 a game but when the Giants came to town, 40,000 showed up. This isn’t anything new. Steroids and HGH have been around a long time. I’m 71 and we had guys in my high school that “Roided out” in the late 60’s. Not saying it was right, just a lot more prevalent than the league is telling us. Big Papi tested positive and Bonds never did. Perhaps he had better distributors or product.
@@willdelarosa9440 pitching was about recovery not pitching speed so even though they were not looking huge with muscles it still helped your body recovers and is fresher and more healthy making your pitching more likely to be on point
I'm glad someone finally said it. But no one wants to talk about that. Emphasis on "US". Everyone wants to talk about Steroid use (never proven) or his attitude with the media (justified)...but we all know what the REAL issue is.
@@erichvonmanstein6876 lmao. You can't prove he didn't. He obviously did, but you're apparently blinded af. I can't believe I even wasted my time replying to you're dumbass. Have a nice life
I’ll never accept Bonds as the title holder. Hank Aaron is the home run king and the Bambino is the best baseball player in my book. Unfortunately, my book isn’t the one that matters.
@@calebklingerman7902 saying babe Ruth is the best baseball player of all time is a complete fucking joke. Any stud from the Dominican Republic is better than Babe Ruth lmfao.
Bonds was a better hitter than Griffey. Sorry. Bonds is 1 of 8 players with an OPS+ over 180 over a 9 year period. And before you cry steroids, this was the 9 years BEFORE he started taking roids. After, it was above 200. There were 30 players over 160. Griffey did not even make this list. His best stretch was an 8 year stretch with an OPS+ OF 157.
He was an unbelievably skilled player, but the roids took him to Super Saiyan levels that nobody had ever seen, or ever will again. The guy wasn’t just hitting HRs, he was at or near the top of the league in batting average, and he was drawing around a walk a game if I recall. I don’t remember pitchers ever showing anyone else the respect he was getting, you simply could not throw the man a strike.
@@joshclark2109 Because Sosa was a good player before them. Bonds was already a top three in the NL. Sosa was far from that. Before roids Sosa had one AS game only. Shoot if roids stayed out of baseball Bonds already was the best player in baseball (and this coming from a Braves fan). Oh and of course Sosa was a strikeout machine as well.
If you think he EXCLUSIVELY had an advantage with the PEDs, you're forgetting that everyone was on PEDs, including current hall of famers and future hall of famers. Pitchers, fielders, other hitters, etc. And the pitchers were also connoisseurs of foreign substances
@@julianfrost4827 Barry was hitting from day one peds can't make you do what Barry can do your born with those genetics and God given talent he's a rare breed , that's like saying if you go on a juice cycle of anavar,test and tren your gonna end up looking like Chris Bumstead and hitting balls like Barry bonds lmfao you need a reality check
It's interesting pitchers don't quite receive the same PED stigma as sluggers. I guess because homeruns are flashy and more marketable. I would think PEDs would have a bigger impact on pitchers than they do for hitters. If anything, just being able to better and stay fresh would give an enhanced pitcher a big advantage.
@@Keranu pitchers have a funny place in baseball so that's to be expected, but Roger Clemens is a good example of publicized criticism of HGH usage in pitchers. Fielders too though. Imagine a guy being able to throw you out at home from deep center from roid usage. You gonna roid up to get faster and hit it harder. That's why i always say that the game DID change because of steroids, but it was still competitively equalized. Eric gagne admitted to PED usage and he put up record era numbers with 100mph speeds that stand to this day
I think the biggest difference was that early in his career he stole bases while late in his career they just gave them to him for free. Forget about pitching to that guy.
Barry never needed steroids. He was as good of a baseball player as I've ever seen. I seriously believe he would've been the all-time HR king without them.
People don't realize! This was a HOF! Walking around before steroids! With the Pirates was a 3 time MVP! 40-40 club! With Giants! Dude even hit like 47-48 hrs in 1993! And batted 330! And a gold glover! Say what you want! Generational! All time! Talent! 5 tool player! And then some!
100% agree. Not to mention most pitchers he faced were on steroids as well. Steroids doesn’t make you a 7 time MVP. Skill does. Bonds had an abundance of it
Absolutely was, that's what makes his story much more heartbreaking than McGwire or Canseco. Those guys were always known for it, Barry didn't need it.
He certainly did not need steroids, but with the home-run derby happening year after year during the regular season it certainly helps solidify which of the juicers benefited the most.
There's a guy you can get in All Star Baseball from back in the day, like 2003 or 2005 that was essentially Barry Bonds as he was not licensed for the game. Plays left field but he's a right hander that crushes everything and has amazing speed on the bases.
Back in college I was in class with a guy who took steroids in high school so he could play football. He was out of football and was having knee surgeries. Massive muscle growth puts a lot of strain on other parts of your body
That's true, but doesn't tell the whole story. Bonds suffered a serious knee injury in 2005; his career never quite recovered thereafter. Prior to 2005, he had six seasons of reported steroid use. During that period, he hit at least 45 home runs EVERY single full season he played (he missed 60 games in 1999, and even then he was on pace for more than 45 home runs). He only had one 45 home run season in the previous 13 years.
@@davidstewart1757 Weightlifting took on big weight in the 90s. NFL o linemen went from benching 300 to 400+, tailbacks went from benching 250 to 350, etc. Bonds wanted to be stronger. He pounded the weights and at some point, asked what else he could take, presumably legal, to help. In those days, nobody knew what was allowed and what wasn't. It was constantly changing. And the vendors probably were lying.
@@thomascatification I have sympathy for much of what you say here. The only potential disagreement I can see might relate to whether the "vendors were lying." I don't know what you mean. Are you saying that Bonds may have been unaware of something he was taking? If so, I don't buy that at all. As for the rest of what you said, look, I have no dog in this fight, aside from the conviction that cheating is wrong and shouldn't be rewarded with the game's highest honor. I can't remember the evidence against him. If there's good reason to think he's innocent, he should be let in. If allegations are true, however, he shouldn't be. Yes, I understand the desire to win (although granted, I can't of course imagine the specific pressures Bonds was facing), and yes, I understand the burning desire to gain an advantage -- any advantage -- over opponents, but we've seen in recent years what a difference it makes when players don't use performance-enhancing substances. It changes the game dramatically.
It's not the raw totals you have to look at, but the HR per at bat. Before 2000, bonds hit a home run about every 15 at bats, and from 2000-2004 he hit one about every 8 at bats...in his mid-late 30s no less.
@@willshad Fair. But his batting average also improved -- he was seeing the ball better, improved his swing mechanics, and used his head better. He also changed lineup spots. A lot of moving parts to consider. There was a change generally among athletes as the 80s passed into the 90s -- and i remember it: guys hit the weights harder in the 90s than they did in the 80s. Strong NFL players in the 80s could bench like 300-350... and in the 90s guys, same size and body type, were putting up 50-100 pounds more. PEDs can't add 100 pounds to anyone's bench press. You need to be in the gym to do that.
Sad part is he never needed to go down the PED path. He was great without it. It was his pride and ego that drove him down that path when he saw the accolades other PED players were receiving.
He has said himself it was seeing all the attention on Mark and Sammy while he was putting up Natural MVP numbers while being way overlooked. So you're absolutely correct💯
@LEROY JENKINS he was already a HOF in the pirate years
This is what I always say. The guy was easily a Hall of Famer before any of the PEDs. Unfortunately, the allegations will always overshadow the many amazing season he had before them.
could have still been a great player, never would have touched the HR record though
@@rbbrbb4715 He was a great player that soiled his reputation by turning to PEDs. The HR chase between McGwire and Sosa was in 1998. "Assuming" Bonds was clean through 1998 and he started the PEDs the following season, he was averaging 31.6 HRs per season up until that point. In 1999, he turned 34 years old and players start to decline in their mid 30's. At best, if he plays the same length of time and his performance doesn't decline (which is unlikely because no one beats father time naturally) he probably gets near 690 HR's. Adjusting for natural decline, he probably doesn't get near 690 but is still probably top 6 all-time and just ahead of GriffeyJr.
For those old enough to remember watching Bonds during his steroid era, the video can’t truly capture how incredible he was to watch. During this period if you threw Bonds a strike that caught any decent part of the plate, the ball was leaving the yard, period. He was walked once a game of not more, and on at least one occasion intentionally walked with the bases loaded. It was a surreal scene to watch his at bats.
I am so glad this was my childhood. I got to watch the Greatest Era in sports period.
I remember watching him in both candlestick and the new stadium
I remember he played against the Mets and they intentionally walked him while the bases were loaded lol never saw anything like that ever, dude was hacking irl
So happy I got to see him hit one in mcovy cove. We saw the best to ever swing a baseball bat period!
4 straight years with an .OBP above .500 peaking that 4th year at above .600 ... absolutely crazy
I'll never forget seeing Bonds during the 1998 Home Run derby. Watching Mark McGwire launch moon shot after moon shot. I think Sosa ended up winning. Anyway Bonds is watching McGwire like a kid who just saw the greatest toy any kid could ever hope to get from Santa under the Christmas tree. More excited than the fans almost. It was the next year in 99 he showed up 20 pounds heavier, head shaved, forehead popping out like a cro magnon and his HR % jumped from 5.3% to 7.8% and of course only went up from there. His stolen bases went from 28 to 15 as he lost speed. less doubles and triples as well he was just swinging for the fences. It didn't take a genius to figure out what he did.
Steroids or no steroids, it's inspiring huh? He worked his ass off clearly
@@teejay3698😂 Whatever you say.
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You re wrong...Griffey Jr won 1998 and 1999 home run derby...Sosa won 2000 home run derby.
@@teejay3698No one worked harder than Bonds during Offseason ... While most of the players beggan training and regular season out of shape Bonds always put good April numbers.
You can see a distinct difference in Barry Bonds’ build from his days as a Pirate to his days as a Giant. Plus, the homers he hit went a whole lot further when he was a Giant than they ever did while he was a Pirate.
He didn’t start juicing immediately with the giants, 99 is when he got on the juice
Crazy thing is he was going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer with his Pittsburgh Pirates pre-steroids build. Then again steroids do help you with recovery so who knows he might’ve gotten hurt if he never take them so
Yeah… he was a bit then a man
Do you people have any idea how hard it is to play baseball…
Steroids or not. You still need skill to do what the guy did
Bonds: What time is puberty?
Aragorn: Barry, you're in your 30s. You've already had puberty
Bonds: I had first puberty, what about second puberty?
Second puberty was called "Test".
What time is STEROIDS!
Stay natural buddy!
Omg lolll
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Every place is a good place for some Tolkien.
When he joined the Giants he took the name literally.
Except he was on the Giants for 6 years before he started using PED’s.
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He didn’t use until 2003. He was the same size for years. 73 HRs that year probably was using.
The ROIDERS might as well put pillows under their clothes and walk around.
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
@@therealbrillshow2984 he started in 1998
I saw Bonds hit 2 in Kansas City. When the dude came to bat, you couldn't hear a peep in a sold out stadium crowd. The ball coming off his bat made a sound I have never heard from any other hitter, ever. The ball jumped to every field with such a scary pace, no matter if he had gone to the opposite field or pulled it. Sad thing is, as some mentioned, he was doing that before he was juicing.
There are some players who really showed great improvement with PED. McGuire, Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro and Juan Gonzales to name a few. However, it's Bond's post prime numbers that are simply not believable. No human athlete ever got better after his prime. Bond's was really juicing!
He wanted to be the King of Baseball... He wanted to replace the Babe. No way. No one talks about Bonds when they talked about GREAT hitters. He ruined his image.
Aaron Judge has that same pop off the bat.
Sad ending for an angry, talented man.
NO, actually he wasn't.
@@anti-apathy9715 KUDOS! "No human athlete ever got BETTER after their prime." What in Jehovahs business more do have to realize. And it has since STOPPED. Man we are pathetic to let these irrtional thoughta paralyze us in hero worship. SAD.
The thing with Bonds is that he was a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer if he had never touched 'roids/PED. He was on a pace to be a top 15 player All-time had he never touched 'roids/PED.
Bonds before steroids: "You don't want me to get angry." After steroids: "Hulk smash puny baseball."
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Bonds after steroids: “Me angry? Roid rage all the time!”
Gold gloves...please! Barry is baseball.
After steroids? What steroids are you referring to? Where are the positive test results?
GEORGE!!!
Years ago I worked out 7 days a week with three other guys. Two of the four decided on the juice and one guy and myself decided to not. The growth of the other two (after two years of being neck and neck in workouts) was unbelievable. I am not saying that it was the steroids alone but one guy lost his mind and house and cars and marriage and the other guy, once he stopped juicing, stopped working out and disappeared. Haven't seen or heard of him in years. Does it work? You bet your ass it works! Overnight! But Boys, let me tell you this one very isolated story ... these two guys were "all kinds of f*cked up after getting on the juice"! Gains? You betcha! Temporary? Definitely? Did it F them up? I am not a doctor but I saw what I saw and it was bad.
Wow, thanks for the story. Jesus loves you (John 3:16)
Good story bro
Yes, He does, Brother! You too! Thank you for the reminder!
They couldn't handle the gains 💪
Yeah but I would guess that recreational drug users probably are more impulsive and reckless in the first place, even while sober, than non-drug users.
During his freak years everyone just focused on the hr totals, but equally impressive to me was that Dbacks game in the video, he stroked his 40th hr while posting a .341 avg, and his obp was even more gaudy. Literal video game numbers
His walk vs strikeout numbers is also insane
Ted Williams numbers
@thirdlegstalliano Ted didn't need steroids.
Bonds was great with or without roids. Ted was the same way, if he would have chosen to take roids. @@photocrafting6068
ARM-Pittsburgh BUTT Pirates
Without steroids, he probably would've retired about 6-7 years sooner with about 300 less HR, but he would definitely be in the Hall of Fame.
Right! I think that he would have gotten close to 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases if he didn’t do steroids. That would be an incredible record to have, but he wanted more.
Get the fuck outta here. He was. 2 time MVP and since when does steroids make you’re body more durable. Stfu!!
Bonds talent clearly didnt fall off a cliff as he aged though!
Was still great ages 40-43
His stats were still good to great
Didnt he led the majors in on base percent his final season??
Well yeah he did steroids. If he stayed clean probably would have had 650ish, and he would have been considered the best ever
@@lmcc0072 He would probably have 140 WAR and retire at 40 if he did not do steroids. He had a 180 OPS+ from 1990-2000 for 11 straight years. His worst hitting season in those 11 seasons were 156 OPS+. For comparison, Judge already has 5 seasons worse than that. Bonds is arguably the greatest defender in left field. Without steroids, he would have reached 600 stolen bases instead of 514 because he would got slower using roids and 600 Home Runs (he already have 494 HRs before the steroids).
600/600 club, 140 WAR, best defender for his position. Bonds BEFORE HE TOOK STEROIDS was Judge with steroids lol but he is also much quicker and much better defender. He would still be one of the GOATS without steroids.
I remember some commentator or former player saying,"players usually lose bat speed as they age, Bonds' bat speed is getting faster."
...and we all know why.
As a Cubs fan I remember hearing stories about how every year Sammy Sosa’s helmet size kept getting bigger because of HGH
@Lionel Clay how then did he hit .370 ? Because he was getting around on pitches he couldn't have gotten around on before. His bat speed definitely increased
Roids will do that
@@Cincinnatus1869 Actually, the bad speed didn’t change much from BONDS 206 lbs (Pirates) of 67.34mph to BONDS 230 lbs (Giants) of 68.81. He used the same 32oz bat throughout his career. Mph difference was 1.48mph which is not a ridiculous change for your conclusion. He was a low and high middle in hitter for the most part. However, he had no problem going opposite field and dead center. He had the eye for it just like some good players do is all. He was the best LF of the 90s hands down. It sucks that he got caught up with the roids era honestly. He still deserves to go to the hall of fame like the rocket, aroid, palmeiro, Big Mac. Do you agree? I’m 45 years old so.... Question, during your lifetime, who is the best 5 tool talent baseball player you’ve ever seen played? Mine is the kid Griffey Jr
3:18 “This one is headed for New Jersey!” Easily my favorite Jonny Miller call
He’s had a lot to love!
Never really understood that since the ball would have really had to boomerang to get there. LOL
Wonder what the exit velocity was on that one?
@@oldatarigamer he should of said all the way to Shea stadium.
Does anyone rememberhis dad Bobby bonds one of the best all around d players I've ever seen
Bonds and Griffey jr have the smoothest swings in the history of the game
@greenlion2890David. The wife beater. Justice.
Griffey Jr. Hands down, greatest hitter ever
I like Griffey better
Shoehei and Ichiro have the sweetest swings
I always include Daryl strawberry too.
Ken Griffey Jr. the true legend of this era for not roiding.
Stop it!! He was roided too!!
Yeah, as far as you know. Would you put your hands in the fire for any of them? Griffey kind of blew up a bit too, except his body broke down on him, he didn't become this super monster cyborg like Bonds
Another good guy was Jim Thome.
@reesejabs1895 thome juiced too.. thome blew up top go look.at him in like 1991.. some guys juiced to get over or prevent injury.
@@trevor5904 yup, fact of the matter is, no one is safe. It wasnt just about bulking up. It was also about stamina and recovery time. They also had masking agents to avoid any positive tests. Every now and then someone still tests positive.
He went from looking like Michael Phelps to looking like Bill Goldberg
Over a ten year period
Lol. So true
The ROIDERS might as well put pillows under their clothes and walk around.
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
@@steroidsR4losers , agree
The reason the STEROID LOSERS don't like talking about their STEROIDS:
The STEROID LOSERS want us to believe their "size" & "strength" came from lifting weights!
The STEROID LOSERS want us to buy their BOGUS supplements & "training programs"!
FAKES & CROOKS!
Stay natural buddy!
The most amazing thing about Bonds was his plate discipline. Forget all the home runs for a minute. His walks and on base were inhuman. #7 all time. Steroids or not, this is pure talent.
Most are intentional walks thou so...
@@dantedlane2 no he had the best plate discipline since Ted Williams and he drew 2,558 walks and only 688 were intentional, and he still had to square up the ball to hit it that far
We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind!
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
@@dantedlane2 nope. most sources say he started taking roids in 1998 due to envy over the sosa/mcgwire hr race. he lead the league in walks multiple times in his career before 1998. an incredibly disciplined hitter, but adding steroids to the mix in the last half of his career truly made him a pitchers worst nightmare
@@mattievans6023 after the 98 season, be clear. the jealousy was because of the RESULTS of the 98 season where mcgwire and sosa both passed maris. roids started in 99 for him and it is a big difference statistically
Regardless of steroid use, hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things to do in sport and at his peak he was a threat at the plate like no other player that has ever played the game. It was amazing to watch him hit. I can't imagine another player getting to that level of play again.
He was a fraud. His pop ups were going 450-ft. The shift started for the first time since Ted Williams because of him. He ballooned to 230-lbs in one off -season.
True, but how many of those home runs would have been pop-flys had he not been juicing?
@@ibuprofenPill lots. I personally watched him at then Pac Bell Park routinely hit pop homer after pop homer in '03, '04. It was a joke. The body language of the pitchers he faced, after such a HR, said it all.
In the early days of PacBell Park, they used to have a HR count board in right field there that kept track of how many HRs that were hit over the right field wall made it, in the air, into SF Bay (pretty close behind the r. field wall there). They had people in small craft who'd miss the game just to be in position to retrieve a homer.
I was told repeatedly that Bonds was personally responsible for over half of balls that hit the water on the fly. In '04, at 42, I gave up my lifetime passion for MLB. I did this because of that d-head destroying the history of the game with his "clear" and "gold" pharmaceuticals. Of course, there were others. They all got away with it and baseball just moved on. Not good enough.
He was barely making it over fence then in old age knocking them OUT! Bobble head Barry bonds is a joke. Great player before a joke afterwards they knew all these guys where on roids just put one in hof not long ago Ortiz
Huge difference in making contact and going yard. He was always great at making contact which helped him go yard after the roids
I've been watching since the 80s, he's the best hitter I ever saw. His peak years were absolutely ridiculous, rarely struck out
The book 'Game of Shadows', which chronicled Bonds' steroid use, was on point in its assessment of steroid use: if you were an ok player, steroids made you good, if you were good, steroids made you great, if you were great, steroids made you a legend.
Bonds was great without the steroids.
He was a top 10 position player even without steroids. Steroids made him OP
@Dark Lord Samoht there was a lot of evidence. Read the book.
Jury did not convict Bonds of lying in sworn testimony about his drug use. But they did convict him of obstructing justice with evasive and misleading testimony.
@Dark Lord Samoht doesn't mean he didn't either. Oj committed murder and got away with it.
@Dark Lord Samoht haha
Three of us were workout partners and we would hit the gym every morning and every evening 6 days a week, we worked out like animals. At the same time, 3 individuals joined the gym approximately our age. They were fit, in good shape but after a period of time started injection steroids. Within 7 months they left us in the dust, they grew and gained so much muscle and size in such a short period of time that it frustrated us. We were working out 3 hours per day and they surpassed us in no time.
Years later I run into one of them and he has lost 90% of the size he gained and later I ran into another one of his training partners and he was overweight. Steroids allowed them to make incredible gains but it is fleeting. Look at before and after pictures of former Mr. Olympias. If you want gains that last go natural, it is slower, more difficult but healthy and long lasting!
I once did 650 lbs bench RAW. How do you like that, DALE?!?
Size doesn't matter like it does in football. Until the 90s lifting was generally considered counterproductive by limiting ROM and flexibility. The average player now is stacked compared to the players of the 80s and before, as weights are used properly. But, roids were there as the weights increased (as was creatine and all the other cocktails meant to improve a workout and gains, to a much lesser degree). You still have to see and hit the ball. Other than his belt and hat size, Bonds showed a-typical general roid behavior, becoming almost Zen like.
you were probably working out way too much. over training is a real thing. 1.5-2 hours at most. 3 hours sounds nuts.
Lifting 6 days a week for 3 hours everyday is stupid..less is more dummy
@@nigabastard1268 Ok, thanks for the advice Jack A$$$$$!
Of course benching 405, squat 450 and 1,200 leg press 45 degree angle for 12 reps and curling 220 Natural was the result.
52" chest 18" arms and 32 inch waist!
Have you done better you clown?
Would I advice 3 hour workouts per day now, No, but this was a different time period and the results we achieved with NO HGH, Steriods, etc was good enough for us!
I remember telling people that MLB wouldn`t do anything about steroids until they improve a pitchers fastball.
Regardless of steroids, Bonds is one of the most dominant players to ever play the game. Also, steroids don't help you hit the ball. The hand-eye coordination, reflexes, and intelligence are the most important things to a player. That's why he was dominant even before steroids.
I remember he was a dangerous hitter with the Pirates. He never needed steroids. He would have made the HOF without them. He would have gotten 500 homeruns 3000 hits or both. I remember he played in the first MLB game I saw in person. He went 3-4 with a single double and a HR. He was awesome even without the steroids!
What did Pittsburgh receive from SF for the trade?
@@neon920 it was free agency, I believe
Barry was pure talent.
Definitely didnt need them, but sure was fun to watch those bombs.
Absolutely ! He became jealous of McGwire and Sosa grabbing headlines in the 1998 season .
An obvious steroid situation was Buddy Bell's son, who played for Seattle and Cincy. He had one great year and his shoulders were huge. Two years after, he had a bad year and the next injuries and poof never seen anything about him ever again.
When you're great enough but still need PEDs that's the tragedy in this...
Want not need. He wanted immortality which he would probably not have without them.
@@gato7908
Semantics..you're reading very deep on this one...lol..
@@rickrobitaille8809 it's not at all semantics. Some players did it just to keep their jobs or earn a higher level of income. Bonds was already a superstar bound for the hall of fame. He did it to put himself above even the best hall of famers.
@LEROY JENKINS
True..
his performance allowed him to make tens of millions of extra dollars, hardly a tragedy.
I know alot of people don't like Barry Bonds I'm one myself but you absolutely can't take away the fact that he was by far the best Baseball Player in his Era possibly ever... Hand eye coordination has nothing to do with Steroids.. You couldn't fool Barry at the plate its like he knew what pitch was coming next
True ..his plate discipline was top-tier and would usually know exactly when & what pitches to wait for.
Yea but bat speed and strength are enhanced by Steroids and that makes all the difference. Base hits and flyballs become homeruns once you are on the juice!
Barry just wanted to make sure the little kids in the triple deck got a souvenoir. What a guy
Pre-steroid Bonds (age 21 - 34) averaged 32 HRs per year.
Steroid Bonds (age 35-39) averaged 52 HRs per year.
ALL the steroid users, both hitters and pitchers (like Clemens) put up huge numbers during their mid- to late-30s and later, years when all normal athletes endure a natural decline in performance.
Looked at another way, four of the five best HR years for non-steroid Bonds immediately preceded the year when he began to use steroids. But even those excellent years, from age 31 - 34, showed consistent decline in power: 42, 40, 37 and 34 HRs respectively. Then at age 35... BOOM: 49 HRs. There is absolutely no question that all his HR records are tainted by steroid use.
Which is a shame, because he was a legitimate 5-tool player, one of the best in history, and would easily have been a first-ballot Hall of Fame inductee were it not for the steroids.
A lot of guys are either still dominant or even improve in their late-30's and early 40's, but they just choose to retire because they have already been playing for 20 years and opponents have figured them out. Nolan Ryan, Tony Gwynn, David Ortiz, Randy Johnson, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, and many other players had dominant seasons in their early 40's, although Mays declined when he was 42. One big factor for the decline doesn't seem to be related to biological aging at all, but rather pitchers' strategies improving against the players because they have a lot more data and film to study. Look at how Ichiro declined: pitchers and catchers just figured him out and he was too stubborn to adapt. Pitchers' cut-fastballs improving a lot is what hurt Ichiro, not age.
Stats mean little till you provide all the stats….like the % of HR’s during your time frame to compare his in ease vs the leagues increases too. Also, where you are in the line up means something. BB was a lead off hitter at times.
Aww cone on Clemens never used steroids....you must have misremembered that
Who really cares u would have done the same thing
Bonds age thirty-four-year would be a steroid year. The years before age twenty-five would be his early years when hitters hit less HR as a rule. Then you have expansion, the last one taking place in 1998. If you look at records after expansion, you will see that power hitting increased. Testing for steroids started in 2003. Bonds still hit a lot of homers after that, even in his last two years after the injury year at age 40. There are some hitters that clocked a lot of homers at a later age. The most pronounced case is that of Cy Williams in the 1920s. Hank Aaron also had a surge in HR production in his later years. So, your numbers are somewhat skewed because of the way you divide the years. Also, started right after 1998, Bonds went into serious training, something that he didn't do before. He was known as a laid-back player, but when he saw all the adulations that McGwire and Sosa were receiving, he took it upon himself to go into training. And last, he only admitted to taking the cream. There is no proof that he ever did steroids. And how is it that steroids improved his performance but had a deleterious impact on Canseco's?
And MLB was complicit in the entire steroid era!
Yup, used to be a big baseball fan until the steroid era, now I wouldn’t watch a baseball game if you paid me. Permanent taint that can’t be removed.
That’s what ppl never say . I agree
@@steviesevieria1868 all your favorite players before steroid dra will still taking performance enhancements also pitchers were taking forms of meth like adderall from the 1950s on
F it, its entertainment and if I can pay to see that 500 ft yard hit thats great. You still have to have been a great hitter to do this. Also if a pro athlete can be around an extra 5 seasons on Andro or whatever it was at the time, so be it.
I’ll also add a question for you all, why are the PEDs in baseball such a cheat that both fans and esp writers ostracize plays even suspected of using them but in the NFL it’s a few games suspension and fans and the rest just lament the loss of the player for a few games, then put them in the Hall of Fame if they were good enough, even on PEDs?
Bonds deserves to be in the Hall of Fame I don't care what anyone says. 💯
I remember Bonds when he first came into the league and he used to be known as a big time threat to steal. He and KG Jr. were probably the greatest pure hitters of all time. Bonds would have been in the HOF even without juicing.
Yup he didn't even need to take them, could of stayed pure like KG
He would still be a legendary baseball player if hadn’t juiced
Best pure hitter? I think many people would give that nod to Ted Williams, not forgetting the prime years he lost to giving service to his country.
Ted Williams was before most of our time but you’re probably right. Even in Bonds’ own generation there was Tony Gwynn who was also a good hitter. Ichiro was, too, but lacked power.
@@chamuuemura5314 In this day and age he's just about before EVERYONE'S time. :) His numbers are pretty mindblowing when you consider that he was the last hitter to average over .400 for a season, finished with a career batting average over.340, yet slammed 521 home runs along the way and finished with a slugging percentage second only to that of Babe Ruth. Add to that the fact he essentially lost five prime years to military service and his case is pretty solid - and I say all that as a Yankees fan! :)
I was talking to my dad today and he was telling me how he met up with an old friend he hadn’t seen in 30 years and it brought up all these memories he forgot about. I told him I can’t remember my teenage years at all. He told me I will whenever something triggers those memories. Not even 24 hours later a random Barry Bonds montage pops up on my CZcams feed and BAM.
This is what sucks about losing your friends to life or death :/
You truly do lose a part of yourself, because they hold memories you don’t have, and you hold one’s they don’t
The best is when a 3rd party shows up and remembers things both of you forgot
I used to have impeccable memory up to a couple years ago, and it just turned into blocks missing :/ sucks
It’s actually quite sad that a 40/40 guy, a multiple gold glover, a guy with a decade of splits at .300+/.400+/.1000+, a literal top ten player ALL TIME felt he HAD to do steroids to get the recognition he deserved. You ever hear the story of the dinner he had with Griffey after the Sosa McGuire home run season? They had been a friends since Griffey was like 17. They had a lot in common. Both raised with fathers in the league, both phenoms, both black. Apparently they related to each other and were good friends. Anyway, after the 98 season Bonds takes Griffey out for dinner. Bonds tells him how he feels. That he’s basically tired of McGuire and Sosa and the other steroids home run hitters getting all the recognition and never getting punished for taking steroids. He’s better than they are. He’s decided. If that’s what the league wants. If they are simply going to encourage these cheaters, than he’s going to do it as well. Griffey should consider doing the same... Griffey said that he had kids and he didn’t want his kids to even think he was a cheater. Their careers diverged from there. Bonds went in to have the greatest hitting seasons in the history of baseball. The rest of Hriffeys career was downhill from there. Plagued by injury. And he was like 5 years younger than Bonds. Then again Griffey is in the Hall and Bonds isn’t. But you can’t help sympathize with Bonds. He had seen steroid use and steroid users not only countenanced and not punished but glorified by the league and press during his decade in the league. Every one knew about steroids and no cared. So if that’s the way people felt than he would do them too. After years of not doing them and getting no credit at all. Then he does then and everyone collectively changes their minds and now he’s a cheater. Shit sucks...
I don't agree that "nobody cared". It turned a LOT of fans off when they found out about all the juicing. I no longer care about McGwire, Sosa, Bonds and their accomplishments, they're tainted. I'm excited to see how many homers Judge will get this year, and if Pujols can get to 700.
That's why I blame the MLB. They failed to protect the sanctity of the game and their legendary homerun records. I remember when that reporter found that androstene or whatever in McGwires locker and nobody cared, it wasn't a secret though us fans didnt know the extent across the league. What I find sad is that now those homerun records will never come close to being broken unless the player is also cheating. Bonds was always a superstar and a great player though I think Griffey was better until injuries and Bonds taking steroids. Bonds in roids was probably the best offensive force in baseball history. I'm also assuming alot of pitchers were juiced up also but I'm not sure how it was compared to alot of hitters. Baseball really screwed up not protecting their game and forever losing alot of luster for the recorded.
Point proven that roids doesn’t help you hit baseballs. It helps you stay healthy enough and strong enough to do it past your prime.
@@DoubleJHas2ManyDoodles And it helps warning track fly balls go over the fence instead of being caught in front of it. Had to have added dozens to his homer total.
@@DoubleJHas2ManyDoodles I used to have this argument with my buddy who was a Bonds fan, "roids don't help you hit the ball" , , but they do, your body on juice is a totally different animal, you recover faster, your muscles react faster, stronger, ....and a once pop up to left turns into a upper deck home run, every pro can hit the ball, they are pros after all, , on steroids, they are pros with super powers.
Bonds is a hall of famer, period. He was on a hall of Fame career path prior to PEDs, and he was going up against pitchers on steroids and competing against contemporaries on steroids. Others were able to stay under the radar on peds while he ascended to being the greatest and most terrifying batter of all time
Steroids or no steroids, that swing was buttery smooth, fast as lightning and full of power
Andros helps you recoup faster after workouts
Too bad the ROIDERS can't lift weights for size and strength!
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
Actually, fast as lightning and full of power BECAUSE of the steroids.
It’d be good if you added some context and wrote his age or the season he was in when he hit each home run to better understand where he was in his career at that point.
I thought there would be some dialog and comparisons and actual data to provide what we all know. This is just another home run compilation.
Others have commented to fill us in.
@@mikepastor.k6233 no it isnt, there is this thing called nuance. Look at his homeruns. Then he is 40 years old and slamming them 600ft!!!!!
Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa too, their builds changed drastically.
The same people complaining about the steroid era in baseball were the same ones praising Mcguire and Sosa for bringing baseball back from the dead. Also, steroids do NOT make you hit home runs. They do help you hit them further. You still have to have natural hand eye coordination.
Actually they do help you hit hr’s. Bat speed is the key. If you already have bat speed..bigger and stronger means more bat speed. And it doesn’t increase into your upper 30’s unless….
Great no nonsense batting stance. Full body swing. I don’t condone steroids, but a homer that barely clears the wall or goes to the upper deck is the same earned run. No matter what, he started with a great stance and swing.
‘Full Body’ swings typically result in top spin - Bonds was a freak bc of how quick his hands were through the zone. Short Swing w/ bat speed generated by leading with your hands creates back spin, which is why Bonds HR’s seemed to keep rising.. all backspin.
I’m 43 yrs old, born in 1978, been following baseball and going to games since the mid ‘80’s and steroids or no steroids, he’s still the best ball player I have ever seen in person.
I disagree. The best player ever is Pete Rose. And he didn’t cheat playing baseball like Bonds did.
@@victorguzman2302 Your last sentence wasn't necessary.
Bonds was great but he cheated, if all the pitchers cheated was he that great. The only answer is to not watch anymore, good bye
Ted Williams hit .400! .. that seems like a big deal.
@@victorguzman2302 maybe he didnt see pete rose in person, did you consider that?
Still a first ballot hall of famer before the summer of 1998. All he had to do was stop before he reached Hank.
Yep that’s what pissed people off! He should have stopped at 700
I've been watching baseball since late 70's. Bonds was always a great player, with or without steroids or PED's. I personally have no issue with the PED's. I mean I'd rather they not be a part of any professional sport, but during the end of Bonds career I'd say a huge percentage of players were taking PED's, and I would imagine if I was in any of their positions I probably would have taken them too. It became part of the culture. They make you stronger and recover quicker, but they don't exactly make you a better baseball player. The ones that were great and rose to legendary status were great ballplayers to begin with. They were all on the juice, why are people trying to condemn only the few? Regardless of steroids Bonds was one of the best hitters of all-time. Go Cubs!!!
A lot of players were'nt, which makes the cheaters worse.
Go Cubs!!!
@@Ferbes47 yep...that's all that matters here
@@NosEL34 Yes Sir!! 💯
The mustache was holding him back.
Underrated comment
I hate Bonds but this was the greatest comment in CZcams history
Lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The ROIDERS might as well put pillows under their clothes and walk around.
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
In 1997 Barry Bonds was clean, a five tool player, the best in the game and he knew it. Suddenly juiced up McGwire and Sosa come along and become the heroes of the nation in 1998, and Bonds becomes barely a footnote. I'm not saying it's right what he did, but I can understand why he did it.
Better than Ken Griffey Jr?
@@voiceofreezn8018 yes Bonds was slightly better hitter, also Bonds was great stealing bases unlike Jr.
@@SaltoDaKid glove in the outfield?
So you understood his jealousy? Still not an excuse as far as I am concerned.
@@BXGUY73 facts...that homerun record was arguably the most sacred record in sports and took that by cheating...I can't stand Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire and ESPECIALLY Sammy Sosa
Greatest power hitter in the history of the game, no doubt.
lol No he's not.
@@ChessMarine310quiet down millennial
Lol millennial? Uhh not exactly.
Too bad you don't know about George Herman Ruth.
@@damianbegley I'm from Baltimore, George Herman Ruth's birthplace. He played in a different era against different opponents, none of whom were African American. In every category, he has been bested by Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds.
Bonds didn't have more home runs because some teams essentially refused to pitch to him during his PED era. The combination of power, average and good eye was ridiculous. He was going to hit 550 to 600 home runs easily with PEDs and go the HOF.
That sweet, devastating swing never changed tho
@@jefferyschroeder5245 I don't know about that... but even if true anyone could have used it, and many were on roids - but Bonds was the only one launching balls into the cove consistently. He was a hated player, but his talent and baseball IQ were off the charts. A polarizing figure for sure, but love him or hate him the world stopped when he stepped into the box, during a game or batting practice.
If it was so “devastating” then why did he need to cheat and bring shame to the sport he’s “supposed” to care about?
@@Alundrahs I've thought about that a lot... I read the book Game Of Shadows written by a reporter that hated Bonds. Even that book admitted that he only began using PEDs in 98 or 99 (I can't remember off hand) after Mcguire and Sosa got all that love for their home run chase, Bonds felt he was the better and more complete player then both of them. He was jealous that they got all the attention. At this point, Bonds was already 400HR/400SB, he could have retired that day and been first ballot HOF, no debate there. Bonds had a rough relationship with the fans but especially the media. He often was not kind or outwardly engaging - he played with a chip on his shoulder. He grew up as a kid in the SFGs dugout with Mays/McCovey, he was never impressed by the fact that he was a baseball player, this was expected of him. So he was never in awe of the reporters, he was grumpy from the start! His father also had a tumultuous relationship with the media so Bonds learned from that as well... it's a complicated case, and Bonds has rarely done himself any PR favors. Admittedly, he's easy to hate. He was arrogant, but knew he was the best. Whatever the case, I am a Giants fan and the early 2000s and the feats he performed with a bat, wow! I've just never seen that kind of domination so consistently. It was an interesting time to be a SFGs fan, that for sure...
@Jason Rodriguez dude you haven't done shit research. There is evidence that he communicated daily with a man who was known as the kingpin of hgh. All over bonds transformations are signs. I don't give a shit about court. Did Michael Jackson sexually abuse those boys? I could go on an on. You haven't done any research, nobody in the whole planet is arguing as you do. What do you suspect that means? Sigh.
@@jefferyschroeder5245 if you think steroids made bonds better at baseball than he already was, youre dumb
Maybe he was just hitting the weight room . . . doing skull squats.
Yeah those head workouts are something else.
Skull squats...🤣🤣🤣...you win.
😅🤣🤣 and his shoe size grew 3 sizes I think
Lol perfect
Balanced breakfasts
Bonds has never failed a drug test.
Conte showed the BALCO files Bonds was on The CLEAR HGH and EPO he testified under congress and Bonds never disputed it .He thought it was flaxseed oil In the beginning till the medical records were made public.Please the testing was a JOKE then
His head grew 10 sizes
Bonds took performing enhancing steroids. He cheated.
I feel bad for people who were too young to watch this man destroy the league.
He kept the same sweet swing, but gained tons of power behind it. He became the best hitter I’ve ever seen. Truly amazing to watch.
Cheater
@@nickajk1 cry about it bitch 🤣🤡
i agree, he was locked in
@@_1ben I agree
@@Deuce-2x get mad he is a cheater😂😂😂😂
Wow. Before steroids he actually looks like his dad, Bobby Bonds.
Bobby didn't have Barry's bat control, but boy could he fly!
I will say the way that bat looked in his hand post steroids was crazy. I miss that swing the way he got thru the zone and turned on a ball was beautiful. Was lucky enough to see him play a lot in S. F.
i remember going to a Mets game he hit one homer his first at bat, so they tried to intentionally walk him and he hit a homer off a intentional walk guy was just different.
He should be in the hall of fame. One of the greatest baseball players ever. MLB turned a blind eye because of revenue and then get mad at the players for doing something they encouraged.
That's the arrogance of MLB, thinking that the fans either wouldn't notice or wouldn't care.
MLB also turned a blind eye because of the strike in 1994.
Probably because he was using steroids. Lol
@@Glockxilla hank aaron admitted to using amphetamines so he should not be in hof because that is a performance enhancing drug
It’s the Hall of Fame. Not the Hall of Morally Correct
Bonds was a lock for the Hall of Fame before the steroids. The jealousy of the attention Sosa and McGwire were getting in that Homerun Derby of a season in 1998 is what set him off. Narcissism is what ruined Barry Bonds.
No it was the will to be the best which we should all strive for. Bonds did it the right way. You do whatever, by any means necessary to be thr best. Anything
@@nonyabizz3533 except ken griffey jr was just as good as him and bonds and sosa and never touched PED's or steroids and is now in the hall of fame. Griffey could have done WAYYY more in his career if he would have just avoided that jump into the outfield wall that fuked up both of his knees and basically derailed his career from that point on
@@nonyabizz3533 No. Not by any means necessary, unless you're a psycho.
I agree. I lived through it and remember it well. I think the biggest key was McGwire who was juiced up probably doing basic roids. Bonds was likely doing HGH which caused his head/neck to swell. Jealousy definitely played some part in it along with the fact that it was open season for roid use back then- never thinking that they'd get caught. And honestly, if it wasn't for Canseco, this era might've gotten swept under the rug.
You're absolutely right I saw the interview, Bonds was great before but his achievements are bifurcated by his steroid CHEATING .
I not a Bonds fan but going by the 80s/90s, Steroids or not, Bonds is still the best player Ive ever seen.
This guy was really good man. He hits them off with ease.
You didn't notice that every pitch in the video looked like something you would see at batting practice?
Bonds had one, if not the fastest wrist snaps in baseball and that is what made him a great and feared hitter..
Choked up on the bat
I think Tony Gwynn probably had the best wrist snap I’ve seen from a hitter this side of Hank Aaron, Barry bonds is by far the greatest dead red hitter during an at bat I’ve ever seen, easily
because he used a shortened bat
@@dicktracy5066 he had a very short, compact swing with tremendous speed on it. he'd actually be waiting on a 100 mph fastball. The man had incredibly quick reflex as well. Saw him many times jerk a 100 mph ball foul and out of the stadium.. right field, btw. insane. nobody did it like Bonds. I remember an interview with Yellich when Bonds was coaching Miami as their hitting coach. Yellich stated that Bonds taught him a LOT about hitting.
The steroids, also adds quickness and speed, which is part of the by-product from the added strength 💪
He was a great player without the roids. With them he was a monster.
Bonds is a nobody in history without roids. Instead, he's the greatest power hitter of all time.
He made the right decision
Didn't even need the roids
V6ix was already the best player in the game prior to it
Big facts
V6ix and get was on trajectory to end up in the top 5-10 all time position player category as well regardless.
@@jimtaylor6447 you think his career in SF is a lil tainted??!?! Cause I can't sit here and say he didn't cheat the game and the sad part is I'm a dodgers fan and still respected his game play. We talk about this topic a lot In my Barbershop...
V6ix I personally don’t view it as tainted per se, even though by the rules regarding federal regulation on PED use (off the top of my head) probably establishes that he did break rules. Granted, MLB did a poor job enforcing them too, and since so many players used at the time, it makes me care even less to try dropping the whole “tainted” label on him (which by the way would apply to 1999-2007). So many players used and still sucked. I’m honestly so happy that he used because McGwire and Sosa, while they were using were still not better players than him, and so when he hopped on the bandwagon and used, it was so unfair to everyone else because he was already the best. Dude literally broke baseball, and that stretch from 2001-2004 is the single
greatest highlight reel in the history of the sport. Whether people like it or not, this man is the best player of all-time.
Hammerin' Hank is still the HR king! RIP Hank Aaron
No he’s not. He had 4000 more at bats than Ruth to break his record for christ sake.
@@1guitar12 SHUT FUCKKKKKKK UP
@@eugenemotes9921 Did I strike a nerve Eugene??? Math and credibility isn’t your fucking forte is it? And change that wimpy name too if you want to be taken seriously. Eugene Motes and Ill Suck You is the same thing in YT here
@@1guitar12 Ruth only played against one race of people. I mean.. come on! haha
The ROIDERS might as well put pillows under their clothes and walk around.
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
HE WAS ALWAYS A TRUE HITTING MACHINE
I wish Barry did not engage in steriod use, but he did. It doesnt change the fact he is on of the best pure hitters in the history of the game.
If they put Bonds into the HOF then Pete Rose should be there too!
And Shoeless Joe Jackson.
Absolutely 💯💯💯!!!
Rose and Jackson should be in. Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, and other steroid users should never be allowed in.
There not going to !!
Pete willing signed the lifetime ban
Bonds knew he was the best of his generation before taking roids but when he saw not only Sosa but guys like Brady Anderson and Greg Vaughn jacking more homers than he ever did in his career around 1998 I think that pissed off him. He had to set the bar once again.
Yeah he has a lot of World series rings to prove it
I would say Griffey jr
No way. Before he started juicing, no one would have taken him over Griffey. For most, probably not over Frank Thomas either. Steroids inflated Bonds' place in history by a lot.
@@elliotmyers625 Junior is still the better 5 tool player than Bonds of that generation. Junior is 7th all time.
@@dominickmilano4858 rings to prove he was the best of his generation? Like Mike Trout? Griffey doenst have any rings either, no MVPs etc. If you hate Bonds because of the steroid stuff, that’s legitimate. But you gotta hate other players just as much as well.
Wrong or right, most guys in an instant would chose the path Barry took to live their life.
*I can argue that Bonds was a much better all-around player before the juice than after it.*
look at eric davis stats from 1986 to 1990 especially awesome for how many games he missed then check out barry bonds stats from 86 to 90 when you add defense and arm eric davis was better than barry bonds very similar builds tall and wirey and a few years later look at bonds physique from steroids
When you hit a third of your career home runs after turning THIRTY-SEVEN, you have no room to be mad when people label you a steroid user. He hit his 500th HR in the middle of that insane 2001 season, and he hit another 262 in only 6+ seasons after that..
The only issue I have with it. is the same guys that voted him MVP while on the roids are the same ones that punished him and not let him in the HOF because of roids....
roids dont help improve hand eye coordination.
Roids will help the ball go over the fence instead of being caught at the track. PEDd also help in recovering from injury
Do we hate Mike Trout? Ralph Kiner? Ryan Howard?
It has nothing to do with steroids this is the The big misconception it is called a GABA globulin it is a blood proteins comes from fetuses they use this stuff on soldiers that go overseas in the heck of hell were you need tolerance immunity quick healing you have no idea I’m 61 years old and 20 years younger and I still do it like a demon you have to pay attention to the lies to the misconception misconception and non-reality I don’t care one way or the other there’s nothing right or wrong about it but I do not put the veil over Sedy‘s eye and not tell the truth that’s why they get away with it they don’t lie they just do not tell the truth so go figure but after the figurines are all gone now’s going to figure nothing
Stopped watching baseball after bonds retired. He was the greatest hitter I’d ever seen. Teams would walk him and allow runs rather than face him. He was amazing
Better watch again, Ohtani, Judge, plenty of great young talent.
Knew how to drive a baseball, regardless of steroids
I agree with this statement. Berry was just a great hitter and had an eye
Exactly. Why didn’t any of the other steroid players hit over 700. Hitting home runs takes talent
As well as see it
Has there ever been a 5 year stretch in baseball where a player put up the numbers Bonds did from 2000-2004? Dude went from being arguable the best player in the game to a 5 year stretch of perhaps being the most feared hitter of all time. Steroids or not, you have to have the ability to hit/lay off pitches. He didn't just become marginally better, be became a fucking machine.
Pete Rose "drove" a baseball 4256 times. But without PEDs, only 160 home runs. Imagine how much driving Rose could have done juiced.
The 90s were unreal.
The home run chase between Sosa & McGwire was insane. I remember every day checking Sportscenter and it seemed like every single day one of them had hit a home run.
The other thing was Arizona Diamondbacks pitching. Schilling and Johnson regularly were throwing complete game shutouts or 8 IN 1 R 12 Ks. On a daily basis.
Ken Griffey Jr and Barry Bonds were killing the ball.
When Bonds finally decided to take over, it wasn't about the power alone. His batting average became insane. .340 .370 & then he mastered the strike zone on a godly level. If you threw it in the zone. GONE. If you missed he wouldn't even flinch. He calmly watched the ball pass by as if it was in slow motion. Ive never seen someone so locked in for so long.
Not Judge, not Pujols, not Soto, not Griffey Jr, Sosa, McGwire, etc. Bonds was better than Ted Williams on roids.
Even when he retired his last season was amazingly efficient. He couldn't run for squat but he probably could have DH'd for 3-4 more years but the league shut that down. I have no doubt that he had 75 more HRs in him. Maybe more.
His command of the strike zone might never be seen again.
Not better than Hank Aaron...who had no roids.
Wasn't better than Ted Williams dummy
@@patrickfoley6215Barry Bonds is probably the greatest hitter who ever lived, steroids or not. I was a big fan of Aaron growing up, I absorbed documentaries and books about the guy, but I’ve never seen a hitter like Bonds ever. He’s better than Aaron, might be the greatest player who ever lived
Bonds was potential Hall of famer without the roids. The man could put the bat on the ball. Like no other.
First 14 years of his career, before Steroids, 8 Gold Gloves, 3 MVPs, 2,000 Games, 445 HRS, 1,299 RBIs, 460 SBs, 1,430 BBs, .288 Ave, .409 OBP, .556 SLG, .968 OPS. From 1990 to 1999 before PEDs he hit Less than 30 HRs once (25). He was a first ballot Hall of Fame candidate at that time. PED numbers were great but all fluff as far as his credentials. Only player in history with 500 HR and 500 SB.
He cheated the game. His steroid use allowed him to wait back on every pitch since a fastball wasn't getting by him with his increased bat speed. Steroids make a difference. If he would've been a Hall of Famer anyway then he himself should've never taken steroids. Bonds didn't need it to keep his job, he wanted to get the attention just like McGuire and Sosa and fell into that trap. I agree he would've been in the Hall if he would've just kept on training like normal but he had to get the best of the best designer steroid for some crazy reason.
@@maverickcheston8874 if steroids helped bat speed as much as you think it does why didn’t it increase any other players bat speed? He seems like the only player that benefited during this time with contact rate , walks, not just free passes and hard contact rate. The owners needed this and I think encouraged players after the strike because attendance was way down. The Marlins averaged about 7,000 a game but when the Giants came to town, 40,000 showed up. This isn’t anything new. Steroids and HGH have been around a long time. I’m 71 and we had guys in my high school that “Roided out” in the late 60’s. Not saying it was right, just a lot more prevalent than the league is telling us. Big Papi tested positive and Bonds never did. Perhaps he had better distributors or product.
Don’t kid yourself. He was on the steroids way before 445!
@@MrGeorgieffx27 He was still a great player even without steroids
We don't know when he started doing steroids
Hank Aaron
Babe Ruth
Roger Maris...still the home run champs.
He never would have beaten Ruth w/ o roids!!!
Aaron Judge has the single season home run record, and Hank Aaron holds the all-time record. You can't convince me otherwise.
Judge's record was with a short porch and juiced baseballs. He doesn't have the record either and Hank Aaron admitted to cheating.
Damn man! Even his head doubled in size...
That was from the HGH
Remember pitcher on steroids at the time also...not about strength it's about bat speed...
Too bad the ROIDERS can't lift weights for size and strength!
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
Was about to say that looks like a different guy
@@willdelarosa9440 pitching was about recovery not pitching speed so even though they were not looking huge with muscles it still helped
your body recovers and is fresher and more healthy making your pitching more likely to be on point
His dad (Bobby Bonds) was thin when he was a young ballplayer as well but then he grew a lot thicker as he aged...like most of us
I'm glad someone finally said it. But no one wants to talk about that. Emphasis on "US". Everyone wants to talk about Steroid use (never proven) or his attitude with the media (justified)...but we all know what the REAL issue is.
hah. his head didnt get bigger. funny how it happened only after mcgwire n sosa got attention. cheater. liar. no hof u til he admits it
Are you really suggesting that he didn't use steroids? How native can a person be?
@@mikemckenzie3488 why got proof he did? Huh? Then shut your mouth.
@@erichvonmanstein6876 lmao. You can't prove he didn't. He obviously did, but you're apparently blinded af. I can't believe I even wasted my time replying to you're dumbass. Have a nice life
I loved watching bonds as a kid he is one of my all time heros.
Barry did steroids because Mark Maguire was having great success. So Barry says I'm better than Mark imagine me on steroids.
Hank Aaron is the home run king. He did it legally
No he isn’t Bonds is. It technically wasn’t even illegal when he did it. And it may be obvious, but he never failed a test. He’s the home run king.
Well according to some people the babe is still the home run king...I'm leaning a little towards Dave (Kong) Kingman boy he hit some tape measures...
I’ll never accept Bonds as the title holder. Hank Aaron is the home run king and the Bambino is the best baseball player in my book. Unfortunately, my book isn’t the one that matters.
@@calebklingerman7902 saying babe Ruth is the best baseball player of all time is a complete fucking joke. Any stud from the Dominican Republic is better than Babe Ruth lmfao.
Too bad the ROIDERS can't lift weights for size and strength!
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
If you thought steroids enhanced Barry's career, imagine what it would have done for KGJr 24.
Griffey was the greatest player of the 90s
Griffey would have hit about 900 home runs.
Greatest hitter no doubt
Bonds was a better hitter than Griffey. Sorry. Bonds is 1 of 8 players with an OPS+ over 180 over a 9 year period. And before you cry steroids, this was the 9 years BEFORE he started taking roids. After, it was above 200. There were 30 players over 160. Griffey did not even make this list. His best stretch was an 8 year stretch with an OPS+ OF 157.
@@thegritzmayne4412 800 easy
He was an unbelievably skilled player, but the roids took him to Super Saiyan levels that nobody had ever seen, or ever will again. The guy wasn’t just hitting HRs, he was at or near the top of the league in batting average, and he was drawing around a walk a game if I recall. I don’t remember pitchers ever showing anyone else the respect he was getting, you simply could not throw the man a strike.
He never would have broken Aaron’s record without PEDs, but he was no doubt a hall of famer
The juice ain’t no joke. He was already a badass hitter, just made him even better
Y does he get love but Sosa's doesn't
Cuz nobody likes Dominicans
@@joshclark2109 Because Sosa was a good player before them. Bonds was already a top three in the NL. Sosa was far from that. Before roids Sosa had one AS game only. Shoot if roids stayed out of baseball Bonds already was the best player in baseball (and this coming from a Braves fan). Oh and of course Sosa was a strikeout machine as well.
If you think he EXCLUSIVELY had an advantage with the PEDs, you're forgetting that everyone was on PEDs, including current hall of famers and future hall of famers.
Pitchers, fielders, other hitters, etc.
And the pitchers were also connoisseurs of foreign substances
That's what makes guys like Frank Thomas, Ken Griffey Jr., Larkin and Jeter look even better than they were.
@@julianfrost4827 Barry was hitting from day one peds can't make you do what Barry can do your born with those genetics and God given talent he's a rare breed , that's like saying if you go on a juice cycle of anavar,test and tren your gonna end up looking like Chris Bumstead and hitting balls like Barry bonds lmfao you need a reality check
It's interesting pitchers don't quite receive the same PED stigma as sluggers. I guess because homeruns are flashy and more marketable.
I would think PEDs would have a bigger impact on pitchers than they do for hitters. If anything, just being able to better and stay fresh would give an enhanced pitcher a big advantage.
@@Keranu pitchers have a funny place in baseball so that's to be expected, but Roger Clemens is a good example of publicized criticism of HGH usage in pitchers. Fielders too though. Imagine a guy being able to throw you out at home from deep center from roid usage. You gonna roid up to get faster and hit it harder. That's why i always say that the game DID change because of steroids, but it was still competitively equalized. Eric gagne admitted to PED usage and he put up record era numbers with 100mph speeds that stand to this day
" everyone was on Peds " no they were not. Not even half them.
I think the biggest difference was that early in his career he stole bases while late in his career they just gave them to him for free.
Forget about pitching to that guy.
Barry never needed steroids. He was as good of a baseball player as I've ever seen. I seriously believe he would've been the all-time HR king without them.
NO, just no.
People don't realize! This was a HOF! Walking around before steroids! With the Pirates was a 3 time MVP! 40-40 club! With Giants! Dude even hit like 47-48 hrs in 1993! And batted 330! And a gold glover! Say what you want! Generational! All time! Talent! 5 tool player! And then some!
100% agree. Not to mention most pitchers he faced were on steroids as well. Steroids doesn’t make you a 7 time MVP. Skill does. Bonds had an abundance of it
I like your enthusiasm a lot more than the snide, bitchy stuff
That’s such bullshit!
by "and then some" you mean "biggest cheater in MLB history".
Absolutely was, that's what makes his story much more heartbreaking than McGwire or Canseco. Those guys were always known for it, Barry didn't need it.
Steroids or no steroids, I love to watch that swing
Too bad the ROIDERS can't lift weights for size and strength!
ROIDERS are FAKES!
Stay natural buddy!
I'll take Griffey ,smooooth !
There's a reason that steroids are strictly forbidden in the Olympics. Because they absolutely will give the person taking them the advantage.
He certainly did not need steroids, but with the home-run derby happening year after year during the regular season it certainly helps solidify which of the juicers benefited the most.
One of the most beautiful swings ever, just so smooth. I hope one day we get a Bonds card in The Show.
There's a guy you can get in All Star Baseball from back in the day, like 2003 or 2005 that was essentially Barry Bonds as he was not licensed for the game. Plays left field but he's a right hander that crushes everything and has amazing speed on the bases.
@@Rockyinlp fun fact Barry bonds is the only player ever to not sign with the mlbpa licensing agreement
Imagine scoring so many home runs people barely even cheer when it happens because it's SO normal and routine. What a lad
Back in college I was in class with a guy who took steroids in high school so he could play football. He was out of football and was having knee surgeries. Massive muscle growth puts a lot of strain on other parts of your body
@asc00pamanuka Steroids also enhance bat speed!
Aside from the one year when he hit 73, he hit 30s and 40s of HR most years of his career. He always had power...
That's true, but doesn't tell the whole story. Bonds suffered a serious knee injury in 2005; his career never quite recovered thereafter. Prior to 2005, he had six seasons of reported steroid use. During that period, he hit at least 45 home runs EVERY single full season he played (he missed 60 games in 1999, and even then he was on pace for more than 45 home runs). He only had one 45 home run season in the previous 13 years.
@@davidstewart1757 Weightlifting took on big weight in the 90s. NFL o linemen went from benching 300 to 400+, tailbacks went from benching 250 to 350, etc. Bonds wanted to be stronger. He pounded the weights and at some point, asked what else he could take, presumably legal, to help. In those days, nobody knew what was allowed and what wasn't. It was constantly changing. And the vendors probably were lying.
@@thomascatification I have sympathy for much of what you say here. The only potential disagreement I can see might relate to whether the "vendors were lying." I don't know what you mean. Are you saying that Bonds may have been unaware of something he was taking? If so, I don't buy that at all. As for the rest of what you said, look, I have no dog in this fight, aside from the conviction that cheating is wrong and shouldn't be rewarded with the game's highest honor. I can't remember the evidence against him. If there's good reason to think he's innocent, he should be let in. If allegations are true, however, he shouldn't be. Yes, I understand the desire to win (although granted, I can't of course imagine the specific pressures Bonds was facing), and yes, I understand the burning desire to gain an advantage -- any advantage -- over opponents, but we've seen in recent years what a difference it makes when players don't use performance-enhancing substances. It changes the game dramatically.
It's not the raw totals you have to look at, but the HR per at bat. Before 2000, bonds hit a home run about every 15 at bats, and from 2000-2004 he hit one about every 8 at bats...in his mid-late 30s no less.
@@willshad Fair. But his batting average also improved -- he was seeing the ball better, improved his swing mechanics, and used his head better. He also changed lineup spots. A lot of moving parts to consider.
There was a change generally among athletes as the 80s passed into the 90s -- and i remember it: guys hit the weights harder in the 90s than they did in the 80s. Strong NFL players in the 80s could bench like 300-350... and in the 90s guys, same size and body type, were putting up 50-100 pounds more. PEDs can't add 100 pounds to anyone's bench press. You need to be in the gym to do that.
He went through 4 helmet sizes.....