The 10th Planet - Bethesda’s first Space IP

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  • čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
  • "25 Years in the Making"
    Jump into the zero-g rabbit hole of the proto-Starfield Bethesda Softworks were developing in the late 90s.
    A story of ambition, betrayal, millions of dollars and an inability to properly manage expectations.
    In this video, find out about The 10th Planet - Bethesda's cancelled Space-simulator / 4x Strategy / Lite-RPG hybrid.
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    Essay: docs.google.com/document/d/1M...
    Sources: docs.google.com/document/d/1K...
    Introduction 0:00
    What was the 10th Planet 4:10
    The Plot 34:15
    Death by a Thousand Lazer 44:08
    Influence 48:38
    Conclusion 51:59
    #jwlar #starfield #10thplanet
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Komentáře • 105

  • @Jwlar
    @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +69

    The audio quality drops in the final minute due to a copyright claim, apologies for this inconvenience.
    Also, screw CZcams for not telling me of this claim until the video went live.
    This video was uploaded and waiting to premiere for 2 days, and they didn’t say a thing until an hour after being posted.
    I could’ve fixed this issue without damaging the quality of the outro, but oh well.

    • @jonahfalcon1970
      @jonahfalcon1970 Před 10 měsíci +10

      LOL I thought something was wrong with my cellphone.

    • @OhMeGaGS
      @OhMeGaGS Před 10 měsíci

      CZcams systems not working properly and screwing over creators? Say it ain't so!

    • @Gitshiver
      @Gitshiver Před 9 měsíci

      I've had that happen before, really annoying that they list uploads as "cleared" even though Content ID hasn't fully processed yet. Glad it was just at the end and not an intro like what happened on mine!

  • @mewmasterjash
    @mewmasterjash Před 11 měsíci +90

    When I first saw the title I thought you were doing a 25 year long video until my brain started thinking logically, but then again if anybody could do it, it would be you.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +17

      🤣

    • @daudiochero
      @daudiochero Před 10 měsíci +3

      now you've done it.....got me thinking....we need a vid like this

    • @mewmasterjash
      @mewmasterjash Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@daudiochero Damn right we do.

    • @scatered1
      @scatered1 Před 10 měsíci +6

      Or PatricianTV 🤣

    • @daudiochero
      @daudiochero Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@scatered1 *culture intensifies*

  • @Indigo_Gaming
    @Indigo_Gaming Před 10 měsíci +44

    I cannot *FATHOM* how much work it was to come up with fresh, interesting visuals and discussion about a game with so little tangible coverage. Another one hit out of the park, Jwlar. Great work!

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +10

      Thank you so much!
      It wasn’t easy, but it is by far the production I’m most proud of, simply by the research and production values/effort put in.

    • @Indigo_Gaming
      @Indigo_Gaming Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@Jwlar Your presentation keeps getting better. Very impressive work!

  • @dieyng
    @dieyng Před 10 měsíci +13

    What Bruce Nesmith so conveniently leaves out in his example about meeting expectations, is that, as is often the case, he was the one raising these expectations in the first place.
    Like with CDPR and Cyberpunk2077 devs and publishers tend to claim that the fans had expectations which couldn't be met, when they are directly responsible for creating these expectations.

  • @TheShowerofSlime
    @TheShowerofSlime Před 10 měsíci +31

    This kind of retrospective is chef's kiss perfect. I have never heard of 10th planet till now, then again it harkens me back to a time of limited internet and some of the best gaming journalists. Thank you for this video!

  • @chugg159
    @chugg159 Před 9 měsíci +5

    The dream games of the original 90s Bethesda Softworks were truly groundbreaking. So groundbreaking in fact that the ideas seem to have slipped between the cracks, and too few have rediscovered them.

  • @sentimentalmariner590
    @sentimentalmariner590 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Glad I caught it live thanks again for the months of work, this was really interesting.

  • @brigo1744
    @brigo1744 Před 10 měsíci +18

    Dude since I heard about the 10th planet I’ve been so interested, this video was perfect! The 10th planet and Notch’s unreleased space game 0x10^c really shows how difficult it was to make ambitious space games back then

    • @HanakoSeishin
      @HanakoSeishin Před 10 měsíci +5

      I don't know if you can put them both together in the same "back then". 0x10^c is still closer to present day than to 10th planet.
      Also in 1995 was released the third installation of Elite series. So ambitious open world space games were definitely possible and already done before 10th planet.

    • @brigo1744
      @brigo1744 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@HanakoSeishin yup you’re right! Definitely possible, although still quite difficult y’know

    • @jonahfalcon1970
      @jonahfalcon1970 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Notch isn't much of a developer. We're finding out he had less to do with Minecraft. He's gone full alt-right now and doesn't bother with development anymore.

  • @HerohammerStudios
    @HerohammerStudios Před 5 měsíci +4

    This really makes me yearn for the days when game journalists weren't literally the worst people on the planet

  • @Sharpevil
    @Sharpevil Před 10 měsíci +6

    34:45 - That Xenocrussy got me acting unwise

  • @jwlarina
    @jwlarina Před 10 měsíci +9

    Wow! The production value is so high! Thank you for all your hard work on this! 🎉

  • @donatematchacookie
    @donatematchacookie Před 9 měsíci +2

    Beautifully done, subscribed.

  • @thepinkythepink
    @thepinkythepink Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thanks for putting this together, it's a story about something I'd never heard of before, and makes so much sense where it all went forward into today.

  • @benjaminharmon6541
    @benjaminharmon6541 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Fantastic video! Your channel quality continues to improve and I'm glad to be following along.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thank you!

  • @jonahfalcon1970
    @jonahfalcon1970 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I remember The 10th Planet. I was more into HOMM and other strategy games at the time, though I did play Freelancer and X-Wing vs TIE Fighter.

  • @kungalexander829
    @kungalexander829 Před 10 měsíci +3

    This video was probably 25 years in the making lol

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +1

      It felt like it!

  • @Nephritesword
    @Nephritesword Před 10 měsíci +7

    Wonderfully informative! Ever since Starfield's announcement I couldn't shake my confusion over its existence since it felt like it was out of nowhere, but now it all makes sense. I'm not much of a sci-fi fan so I'm still on the fence about buying Starfield, but it's nice to know that the game Bethesda spent much of the 1990's trying to make is finally coming out.

    • @Grogeous_Maximus
      @Grogeous_Maximus Před 10 měsíci

      My biggest takeaway is the reminder that Bethesda actually used to be ambitious.
      Imagine if they plan to be ambitious about their next game, Starfield.

    • @Nephritesword
      @Nephritesword Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@Grogeous_Maximus They never really stopped being ambitious. You're just thinking that ambition always results in great games.

    • @smolpp585
      @smolpp585 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@Grogeous_Maximus used to be? they still are ambitious, the Starfield deep dive should of told you that much.

    • @kungalexander829
      @kungalexander829 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@Grogeous_Maximusi disagree, elder scrolls 6 hasnt come out for reason. And that is because that long anticipated game will be also highly ambitious

    • @whenisdinner2137
      @whenisdinner2137 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Grogeous_Maximus what the hell are you talkin about? When did they stop being ambitious?

  • @88mphtim
    @88mphtim Před 5 měsíci +1

    Terrific video. I have the originals of those screenshots that "can't be found anywhere else" along with a few more bits of concept art. I'll put it together and get it up on internet archive at some point.

  • @scatered1
    @scatered1 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Awww yeah caught the premier and didn't even have to buy a ticket 😎

  • @jimster1111
    @jimster1111 Před 10 měsíci +2

    how do you have a 5 million view video and only 40k subs. lets get this man to 50k!

  • @pluxauag7555
    @pluxauag7555 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Skullzi TV channel was first to report this many years ago, thank you Skullzi! Great video by the way, I heard about this game in the late 1990's during a chat with Julian Rignall of C&VG

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci

      Yep, he covered the 1998 trailer 5 years ago.
      However, I believe Moritz Ernst Jacob may be the first channel on CZcams to document the game, realising footage of the 1996 self-running demo over 9 years ago.
      Still, Skullzi was the first to make any kind of commentary video regarding the subject, so credit to him for breaking the story back then :)

  • @timur72299
    @timur72299 Před 10 měsíci +2

    great video man! :D

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci

      Thank you!

  • @taxalot
    @taxalot Před 10 měsíci +1

    I had _never_ heard about this.Thanks a lot for this video.

  • @WK-47
    @WK-47 Před 10 měsíci +1

    He's only gone and done it! Thanks for putting in the effort with something as relatively obscure as this - research can't have been easy.
    As a Stargate fan, it's fascinating to learn that not only was Dean Devlin on the project, but he also wanted to bring some of that SG weirdness with the mix of military sci fi and ancient astronauts. Gotta love it.
    Anyway, great job and props for using Starfield as an excuse to talk about TTP and not the other way around. Keep it real.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci

      Thank you!
      It was quite exciting as I jumped down the rabbit hole of the Centropolis partnership, being a fan of the Stargate series (and the film by proxy).
      Certainly a lot more details out there in magazines than I would've thought when I started, it really makes me wonder how much of Nesmith's original design docs laid the foundation for Starfield. Seeing as he still worked there until 2021, I believe he must've had some say in it.

  • @WK-47
    @WK-47 Před 10 měsíci +1

    He's only gone and done it! Been looking forward to this. Thanks for putting in the effort with something as relatively obscure as this - research can't have been easy.

  • @smolpp585
    @smolpp585 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Excellent video! this was very informative and interesting. Can clearly see this game being the base for what Starfield became.

  • @madridista6862
    @madridista6862 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Your videos are such high quality, amazes me how you don't have 100k+ views, but I am sure you will reach that level quickly! Keep doing what you are doing!

  • @AKA-Liam
    @AKA-Liam Před 10 měsíci +2

    Fantastic research man, always impressed with your videos

  • @StarsAndSticks
    @StarsAndSticks Před 10 měsíci +2

    Keep going brother, you're doing such a great job with these videos Bravo.

  • @teh1archon
    @teh1archon Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great video, never even heard of this game nor this chapter in history of Bathesda.

  • @jasonrabeiro2009
    @jasonrabeiro2009 Před 9 měsíci

    Your research, citation, and production skills are amazing. I only recently discovered your channel, but I can already fully appreciate that you embody precisely what journalism is supposed to be.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 9 měsíci

      Thank you!

  • @emil7336
    @emil7336 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Loved your input and incredible research for this video, also very chill personality that’s helping me relax this weekend after a stressful week. Will be checking back in your channel and binging your other vids 🤙🏻

  • @jaytwokay3265
    @jaytwokay3265 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Always top notch stuff man!

  • @evprince
    @evprince Před 10 měsíci +2

    fantastic and informative.

  • @scbtripwire
    @scbtripwire Před 10 měsíci +1

    Just a correction, the Who villain was the Grinch. The cybermen are one of the villains in Dr. Who. 😊

  • @lordfizzz
    @lordfizzz Před 10 měsíci +3

    Let's goooo

  • @Drakeziel
    @Drakeziel Před 7 měsíci

    Truly I do not understand how they put so much time and story into Starfield.. yet it feels like Fallout 4 DLC. Missing the days of Quality over Quantity.

  • @Mephilis78
    @Mephilis78 Před 9 měsíci +1

    A reference to Nibiru

  • @zavi1919
    @zavi1919 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Jwlar My Hero

  • @thatoneguyyouseearound7112
    @thatoneguyyouseearound7112 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I don’t know why, but I have some emotional connection to Bethesda now. I hope this story has a happy ending

  • @razorbackroar
    @razorbackroar Před 10 měsíci +2

    Masterpiece

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci

      Thank you so much :)

  • @jasperfox6821
    @jasperfox6821 Před 9 měsíci

    Interesting to see what Bethesda were wanting for their original space game, but I'm glad they finally got to make one, I've been really enjoying starfield, despite all it's flaws and issues, you can see alot of good thing within it too. People see mainly the bad, and others see mainly to good. But i see both the posatives and negatives, and i see the ambition Bethesda has for starfield 😊

  • @finnlass2565
    @finnlass2565 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Thanks dad ❤

  • @charleschamp9826
    @charleschamp9826 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Starfield looks like it'll be a great game to pick up on sale 5-10+ years after its release.

    • @jonahfalcon1970
      @jonahfalcon1970 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Well, it's the #1 pre-ordered non-free game on Steam and the $300 Constellation Edition is sold out, so I doubt anyone cares at Microsoft or Bethesda.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci

      Doomed to the fate of No Man's Sky by proxy.
      It will still perform well, maybe even better if it's actually good - but I'm not sold on it having the mainstream appeal of TES and Fallout purely due to the genre it has chosen.
      But then again, with Gamepass, who's to say. I'm sure Bethesda's accountants will be very happy regardless.
      Fingers crossed it doesn't feel as flaccid as Outer Worlds (personal opinion, that game has many divided opinions).

  • @Matchaddict82
    @Matchaddict82 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I can’t believe you did the tell me lies song the second Todd comes on …

  • @timthetoolpool
    @timthetoolpool Před 10 měsíci

    I think people fail to appreciate just how rough things were at Bethesda after these post-Daggerfall flops. People also fail to appreciate just how many people Todd Howard saved from unemployment and a possibly tainted reputation. Big Todd's methods irk me at times as well, but many of his methods are likely things he learned from these hard times.

  • @theguytoby1362
    @theguytoby1362 Před 10 měsíci

    Everytime I see a video about projects that were grand and genre changing, that never came to fruition or took to long and fell of the wagon, the first thing that comes to mind for me is a quote from the Ancestor of Darkest Dungeon: "Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."
    Sadly it rings true way to often.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Great quote! and very true when it comes to ambitious gaming projects.

    • @theguytoby1362
      @theguytoby1362 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Jwlar Even better if you hear it in the narrators voice.
      By the way I love your videos, I watched the Daggerfall analysis more often when I would like to admit and it drove me to the point where I said f*** it, I'm trying it myself and I loved every second of it.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci

      @@theguytoby1362 That's great to hear man! Glad you're enjoying it :)

  • @okokokok1457
    @okokokok1457 Před 6 měsíci

    I wanted to like Starfield so much

  • @iciousvid
    @iciousvid Před 10 měsíci +1

    80 planets is a lot... Elite frontier II would like to have a word with you.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +2

      *a lot more than just our Solar System I should’ve said haha

    • @iciousvid
      @iciousvid Před 10 měsíci

      @@Jwlar lol

  • @Mephilis78
    @Mephilis78 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Didn't Bethesda make a Star Trek game too?

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Bethesda published a few games: Star Trek: Tactical Assault, Star Trek: Legacy and Star Trek: Conquest when they had the license, but BGS never touched it (they were making Oblivion at the time).
      There was also Star Trek: Bridge Commader.
      It was made on the same engine (Gamebryo) and looks very similar to Morrowind as a result, but it was made by Totally Games under Activision.

  • @Sickliff
    @Sickliff Před 10 měsíci

    Really interesting tale of development hell! Probably good that they ended up cancelling the project in the end, if things went differently the whole company could have gone under.

  • @gamehosegarden
    @gamehosegarden Před 9 měsíci +1

    "Xeno-crossy" lol

  • @HolyBlowhole
    @HolyBlowhole Před 10 měsíci +1

    Delta Five? 🧐🤔

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Apparently pronounced Delta Vee - it's a measurement used in space flight calucations. I called it Delta 5 by mistake in a previous video also haha

  • @ToTheNines87368
    @ToTheNines87368 Před 6 měsíci

    Bethasda needs to go back and make terminator games 😊

  • @silentobserver4425
    @silentobserver4425 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Better than midfield

  • @Trispefear
    @Trispefear Před 10 měsíci +1

    Really hoping you do starfield content

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci +3

      Will do ;)

  • @soulsmith4787
    @soulsmith4787 Před 10 měsíci

    We should get Bethesda to release every major iteration of the Xngine and all unfinished projects because of their historical significance. We could frame it as a gesture of good will that may increase sales of Starfield.

    • @Jwlar
      @Jwlar  Před 10 měsíci

      It’ll never happen, but we can hope.
      I believe Todd has mentioned at some point about a lot of the old data at Bethesda being lost, so it’s possible they no longer have access to all the cancelled projects.

    • @soulsmith4787
      @soulsmith4787 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Jwlar It would be an absolute shame if the Xngine itself was lost as well, the engine was among the first to have truly 3d environments and it did that while also having the largest game world for quite some time.

  • @Krondon-SSR
    @Krondon-SSR Před 10 měsíci +2

    Upvote for INFINITE WARFARE YEAAAAAH

  • @Esoteric-ns2tz
    @Esoteric-ns2tz Před 10 měsíci +1

    This was awesome!!!

  • @C4rrEternal
    @C4rrEternal Před 5 měsíci

    The book trilogy is one of the best scifi stories I've ever read, and it's barely even scifi!
    My assumption is that it was to be a prequel setting up the game taking place in 4023

  • @aaronlaughter6471
    @aaronlaughter6471 Před 10 měsíci +2

    *Talks about saving Earth and killing aliens well it shows him playing as the empire* Based