Ben Shapiro and the Politics of Imagination | Big Joel
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In this video, I talk about Ben Shapiro and his reaction to the John Lennon song, "Imagine."
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The song "Imagine": • IMAGINE. (Ultimate Mix...
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Anyhow, here's the footnote. There is no doubt that regardless of what you think of private property, property law is an innovation that happened in many societies (though clearly not the modern idea of private property as a right that the government has no grounds to violate, as Ben seems to suggest occurred at the very beginning of civilization). And if Shapiro had simply said that, there would be no problem. *Neither what I said in this footnote nor what I said in the video amounts to an argument for or against Lennon’s perspective on possessions.* But it’s safe to say that civilization did not wait for the “discovery” of property to get started, and it certainly did not occur only in the West. After all, it seems far more likely that property law would be created as a response to the surpluses of emerging civilizations, not the other way around. And to say “property law is something that emerged across many civilizations because it’s one reasonable result of societies having surplus resources” is a radically different, less ridiculous, and less persuasive claim than “we would all be nomads if some dude thousands of years ago hadn’t thought about property” is.
Hey, I want to help you with that lawsuit. I'm not a lawyer and I don't really have any money, but I can make funny quips on twitter and stuff and at the end of the day that's all any of us can really hope for.
Also, additionally, Shapiro either in this argument or if he ever defends this point is essentially trying to usurp the default as his point. He's going to say "You need land to grow food and that is property rights." Of course it's not though. That, again, is silly. Like expecting stoneage hunters to get a permit to hunt mammoths silly. It's just what happened. Shapiro makes it sound like the Founding Fathers were there too, going "You need a deed for this land!" when the reality is "This is close to water and no one else is living on it, so I'm going to make a house and I'm only going to stop if someone who can actually kill me tells me to."
Of course Ben Shapiro is against imagination, he doesn't have one and doesn't want one. He's scared of it because his guardians were scared of it, his sponsors are against it, his target audience is against it. All because having an abundance of imagination brings them an almost physical discomfort, for having an abundance of imagination doesn't bring certainty, easy to buy growth, and easy to mantain but abusive connections and love, it doesn't delude itself in its self-importance. However, minimal imagination could
😂 did you get an email or a call telling you that you had to be more enthusiastic in the ad for skillshare and that's your revenge or what?
just an fyi hunter gatherers had more free time than people living in early agricultural societies, gathering doesn’t require as much labor. i’d say the main thing with agriculture and civilization was being able to support a larger, more dense population that would stay in one place. it caused an explosion of complex social organization, but it’s also good to note that there are still hunter-gatherer societies today and they also developed complicated cultures so agriculture can’t take all the credit for culture.
i know it’s not important for the point but thought you might like to know just cause
How are people so for war but against property damage. Property gets damaged in war, peoples private property. How can someone be for private property with seeing this. Never mind the lives lost and destroyed.
Ben Shapiro trashing "Imagine" by taking every line literally sounds like something someone would do as a parody
Three Arrows! Now it's a party!
Three Arrows Yeah, but did you know his wife is a doctor?
Checkmate, atheists. 😎👌🤙✌️
@@cosmojenkins3020 true LUL
Someone should parody Shapiro's video by responding to Old MacDonald had a farm, or even better There Was an Old Lady that swallowed a fly. ha.
Thats because That song pictures a fucking communistic utopian which would never happen
"Hello darkness my old friend, I've come to talk with you again."
Ben Shapiro: "Okay, first off, darkness isn't sentient. By definition, darkness is the absence of light. He is literally saying that he wants to have a conversation with nothing here. You know who else talks to nothing? Crazy people."
Woah I could literally hear him saying this in my head as I read it.
You really nailed the way he talks.
All "facts" and no feelings makes Ben a dull boy.
thats tripy
yeah, I had this kind of realisation through the video. Shapiro simply doesn't understand poetry or any of its figurative language, like metaphores or hyperboles, which happen a lot in "Imagine". It's really frustrating, he's reading the lyrics and taking them by their literal meaning and trying to DEBUNK THEM. For someone claiming to be so smart, he doesn't seem quite knowledgeable about literature (or anything else for that matter) lol
“It is literally impossible for everybody to be king fu fighting”
To say that the kicks were as fast as lightning just shows how liberals will just completely throw the entirety of science of the window and say things that completely go against physics and fulminology just to fit their agenda.
💀💀💀
Peak
Even if that were true, we would also somehow have to believe that those kicks were INDEED fast as lightning, which is just absurd
@@boabuin1151 left wing media wants us to believe that it was a little bit frightening and that they fought with expert timing, which beyond any reasonable doubt is logistically impossible
"Imagine people don't care about their kids future. What a world would that be?"
*proceeds to deny climate change and to discriminate Muslims and Trans Kids*
Yeah Ben, IMAGINE.
Ben dosent have the ability to imagine , thats why he cant put him self in the place of trans people !
Yea as long as only his kids are ok. Not tHeM daMn tRaNS kIDs
@@meowcat280 his kids start drowning because he told them to just move if the rising sea levels destroy their house but they cant buy a new house at these rates 🥺🥺
Trans kids shouldn’t be a thing, but I agree with the rest
@@forbiddenedits u really just HAD to get your two cents in like what do u want a cookie
no clue how u found this channel in the first place, if you want to spew anti trans stuff go somewhere else cause this isnt it
Ironic that John Lennon said "imagine no possessions", yet he then proceeded to own Ben Shapiro
this is the best thing
aaayoooo
He got that EDITH treatment
Bam!😂
ZING
Ben Shapiro is the kid to say “gun beats everything” in rock paper sizers.
He's the kid who was told to sit in the hallway because he kept correcting the teacher on minute details.
He's the kid who had a force field when you play fought in elementary.
*sizzlers
RodianDude good one
@RodianDude i agree his dishonesty is really damaging to public discourse, it's pretty serious
"The idea of owning what you produce..." - Ben Shapiro, literally describing a facet of Communism while also trying to debunk the ideology of Communism.
Yeah I did a double take, definitely caught me of guard haha
Hm, kind of. I feel like liberalism was a reaction to feudalism, when people wanted to own what they produced. Then some people employed other people to produce things and Marxism was like 'yeah, the way that plays out isn't fair' and communism built on that. So owning what you produce is a liberalist idea I think, but it didn't work that way
Communism doesn't need debunking. It's been debunked at the cost of tens of millions of lives everywhere it's been tried. The slaves in Soviet Russia or Moaist China didn't get to own what they produced.
@@Roozyj Liberalism is the basis of the enlightenment (Rousseau), causing the feodalist system to end in the Revolution by the bourgeoisie of the time. After that, the bourgeoisie becomes the dominant class in society, and the oppressor of the lower classes via a capitalist system. Marxism is developed in the 1840s, and is a form of liberalism. It is against the idea of being exploited by hierarchy in the mode of production, even if it doesn't really go against hierarchy (anarchism does go against it, Marxism does not). It is owning the product of your labor, and avoiding that product being stolen by capitalistic exploitation. It is a form of liberalism in the philosophical sense, that just means emancipation of the individual. In capitalism the bourgeoisie that occupies the managing positions in private companies STEAL from the worker what is produced in his work, that is called the "plus-value". This is how the boss gets richer.
Is it? It's an aspect of socialism, for sure. But of course if communism has no possessions, then you wouldn't own what you produce.
Maybe it's just an aspect of some forms of communism? Idk
"Imagine Dragons is stupid! You can't just imagine a mythical creature!"
- Ben Shapiro (Probably)
"Imagine Dragons is stupid! You can't just imagine a mythical creature!"
- Ben Shapiro (Probably): while also believing in a mythical sky daddy.
@@mni2421 a sky daddy💀
I guess they all are
Imagine what would happen if he met a fantasy author.
@@charlieandhisantics9954 I wonder if I can.
Ben Shapiro: how to argue with a dead man and still lose.
And a dead man being a hippie singer
@@justynawisniewska1213 he really can't set the bar much lower for his own failures and short comings 😂😂
@@justynawisniewska1213 esp after his Wap take 😂😂
Shapiro definitely is the type to pick fights with the dearly departed.
EZ CLAP
Imagine being in an argument with a dead man and losing
Imagine going into an interview with a person who’s on your side and still losing.
Well if anyone can do it it's Ben. My expectations for him are so low seeing this is exactly what I expect from him.
It's easy if you try.
You know, the only thing good about Ben is that he's kinda hot. Still an asshole, still a moron and still a big whiny baby, but compared to other reactionaries he won at least a small prize in the genetic lottery.
Good God this is evil 😤😖😖
@@jonathanschweiss316 haha my faveorite so far
Ben: “The people shouting ‘shame’ are the bad guys.”
Me: they are the poor people she neglected…
Hmm, it's almost like Kings Landing has a hierarchical society that Ben is just forgetting what country it's parodying
That part is insane to me too lol. Like, are they? Is Cersei the 'good guy' to Ben Shabeebo? The RELIGIOUS FANATICS that manipulate the Martells, the Lannisters, and the public are the bad guys. But what he's obviously talking about is the mob of poor, indoctranated, opressed civillians chanting along, who he completely fails to consider as anything but a mindless hivemind, cancelling Cersei Lannister lol. Literally one of the most insane takes ever.
Also, just the childish belligerence of insisting simplicity here. “Shame” is a concept, that I’d argue is subjective. Should you have shame about exploiting others under capitalism? Yep! If you argued a LGBTQAI+ person should have shame for existing, you can bet Ben here would snap that “shame” up and hold it as a glorious banner to what is right in an instant, with zero acknowledgement of any double standard.
Not to mention Cersei is clearly one of the most evil characters on the show lol
Yeah 3very time I watch this video the wildest part is when he thinks Cersei is the protagonist of GoT
That part where Ben Shapiro keeps musically interjecting his objections to the lyrics while they play... That's gold. It sounds like it could be it's own song in a musical, with the antagonist desperately trying to undermine the protagonist.
lmao xD
It sounds like harry potter owning voldemort at the end of order of phoenix
It's like he's been hired as the ad lib guy but disagrees with the message and voices it throughout.
real the lorax let it die moment
I like when he criticizes it for being childish-- I heard an interview where Lennon said he wrote it that way deliberately, so that a child could understand it. I guess Shapiro just isn't on that level.
A master of their craft is one who is able to explain very complicated topics using words simple enough that a child in elementary can understand it.
No becuase he is a "Reasonable" & "MATURE" 'adult'. ;p
John Lennon: "Imagine if we did better as a society"
Ben Shapiro: "NO! Do NOT use your imagination! STOP THINKING YOU ARE GOING TO DISRUPT ALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION!!!!"
Curious Soul That’s not how arguments work, walnut.
@@curioussoul6059 It's not a misquote, it's summing up what he's saying in a humorous fictional dialogue. And to show direct speech, you use quotation marks. Are you new to the internet? Or writing? Or speech?
@@curioussoul6059 Conservatives have no sense of humor because they have no imagination funnily enough.
"green is not a creative color!"
Curious Soul
That’s not how misquotes work
The juxtaposition of Shapiro and Lennon couldn’t be more stark. Shapiro came from a very wealthy Hollywood elite family and originally wanted to follow in his parent’s footsteps in Hollywood, but after his career in Hollywood never materialized, he has been relegated to doing niche social commentary in the right-wing media bubble. Contrast this with Lennon, who came from a working class family and on 100% his own merits rose to fame and has made an impact on music has endured for half a century after his death and who’s influence will, no doubt, be felt until the end of human civilization.
Ben Shapiro wishes he could be as remembered and influential as Lennon. In a few decades I bet you more people will rememebr lennon than Shapiro's scrawny ass
my god jeff
John Lennon is not the greatest human being, but you're right
Idk about the last sentence lol
It's very telling that Ben instantlyconflates "living for today" with hedonism and then goes to say that that would lead to screwing everything in sight and killing all your enemies. Like, it feels like he just shared his own personal desires
so true. if the entire world was told it would end tomorrow, i imagine a lot of people would make a nice big family dinner or listen to their favorite song one last time. maybe they would take a nice walk on their favorite trail or play a fun video game. he jumped straight to the darkest possible reality.
@@gigiquinn5468 I would literally just play some volleyball with my dad and then go hang out at the beach with my friends
Every accusation is a confession
literally, i think the majority of people would choose to spend more time with family, visit their friends, eat their favorite meals, etc. most people don't regularly think about committing murder or assault
Shapiro: "This is so childish. Why can't he write an adult song about free market economics, private property rights, and the influence of Judeo Christian thought on the development of Western Civilization?"
Doubt that'd be a bop
Daniel Norbut Almost like he’s mad at artists and musicians usually leaning left because they aren’t heartless, boring, and unable to imagine a world that places human beings first. 🤔
**cue evil nazi marching song**
@@Dante3214 so The Imperial March
Lemon was the father of these later rap about finances.
It ends in zombies. Both of genres. Hint hint.
Ben: liberals are so sensitive
Also Ben: rages about a John Lennon song
*rages about John Lennon song that is literally about people being nice to each other for once
@@juliusbeutler7090 Being nice doesnt mean you are forced to be nice. Worlds is full of bad people I get that but fixing it by removing country borders and national indentities (religions, culture etc) and, striping down modern society to era of troglodytes wont help that. Communism has failed how many times it needs to be re-tried so thick-skulled like you get this. ?
@@normaaliihminen722
That is the typical argument you get from right wingers when you suggest borders are not so cool: It destroys national identity and culture. That's bullshit. Local cultures will not be forgotten because of a unified Gouvernement. If you look at any country you can see that the local cultures and accents vary alot.
@@normaaliihminen722 Most communist states fall because capitalists pose a constant military threat and immediately put them under economic siege (when they are not just outright couping them). It is not the communist's fault that capitalists wants to destroy the planet and everything good along with it.
@@juliusbeutler7090 Can you elaborate? I couldn't understand beneath that bullshit.
incredibly ironic, ben shapiro is widely known as the guy that says "hypothetically" before going on wild rants, yet he is unable to understand imagine's hypotheticals.
His wife is a doctor!
@@kolinkomita2975 okay...?
@pastadeadman4594 he says that a lot, like it offers him some sort of credibility. It's a joke
@@kolinkomita2975 ohhhh my dumbass thought you were trying it as a genuine arguement lmao
@pastadeadman4594 no, it's just like the real ben shapiro, no actual argument. Just pretend he's saying it fast and loud.
i genuinely come back to this video once every six months to hear ben shapiro snark "god this is so childish" right before lennon sings "you may say im a dreamer but im not the only one". poetic and healing.
oh good I’m right on time
@@theafterparty2264 good to see you again
@@DanzelGlovingtonI love you both
@@ryleighs9575 aw that’s nice
@@theafterparty2264what’s a month too early for a good video
I can't stop imagining a shot of John Lennon playing Imagine in that big beautiful house, then the camera shifting focus to reveal Ben Shapiro just standing outside the window pacing back and forth making his snide comments on the song, and the image is making me lose my shit
I think the image is even funnier if you imagine Ben Shapiro tapping on the window trying to get John Lennon's attention
"you are destroying the word, you hear me? you fucking commi, YOU ARE DESTROYING THE WEST"
John would have a field day with him haha he'd love using his sarcasm against Ben
Just imagining John and the rest of the Beatles being as sarcastic with Benny boy as they were in their interviews brings a smile on my face.
"let me in let me innnnnnn"
"God, that is so childish"
"You may say i'm a dreamer"
These two lines feel like they're part of a conversation, somehow. and the fact that the song itself is so calm and not asking anything of the audience, and Shapiro is so brash and angry, makes it seem as though Lennon is "winning" the argument.
I was thinking that too. Upon hearing that clip of him, he inadvertently made the song sound like a duet.
What do you expect, Shapiro wrote a novel, a place that he controls the narrative, and still made his heroes come out as horrible human beings.
His whole grift is aggravating critics by smug affectation, then belittling anyone who responds with hostility. Arguing with a contemplative, peaceful song (with lyrics full of imperatives and encouragement to think, no less) makes his Gish-galloping moral outrage into the very thing he tries to manipulate opponents into doing. He's ducking into his own punch.
Ben Shapiro Realpolitiks
John Lennon CALMLY DESTROYS Boomer Ben Shapiro with DREAMS and FEELINGS
Ben Shapiro is the only man to lose a debate to a literal dead man
Lamo 😂
You should watch Michael Knowles “debunks” Hitchens. Another daily wire goon that lost to a dead man. 😂
I just can't get over the petty little "that's so childish", immediately followed by a much louder "you may say I'm a dreamer". Genuine comedic gold.
Ben is so weird. He'll mock a song for imagining stuff, yet he loves to start his arguments with "Let's say, hypothetically..."
Ben Shapiro: “Let’s say, hypothetically... “
John Lennon: “Imagine... “
Kool Evro Mashups lets say hypothetically my wife’s a doctor...
cos a lot of people he argues with, don't really think things out
Let’s say, hypothetically, you’ve been a bad girl
@@EXTENDEDWARRANT oh no
Shapiro saying, "This is so childish." might be the most ironic statement ever uttered.
Do you hear the "most selfish" line?
Made me think of that sponge Bob song F U N he was like plankton the whole part lmao
YEET F is for fascists ruining the whole town
@@dinospumoni5611 U is for unhanded tactics in the culture war. N is for the people we want to re-enslave.
That's when I officially lost it and started laughing out loud at work.
I've been a bitter musician. Someone you think is terrible gets popular while your talent is ignored, and it hurts. Ben can play the classical violin pretty well and he hates the fact an untrained musician is celebrated, but it's something you have to grow out of.
The idea that someone like Jimi Hendrix was a terrible musician because he couldn't read the little dots on the lines is just idiotic.
This is pretty funny how true it actually is. I'd say even being able to play isn't even the mark of a musician but the ability to create. Playing other people's songs on an instrument is just monkey see monkey do.
ben when he finds out music is one of the oldest forms of human expression and literally anyone can make it
Exactly. Besides, John Lennon (according to his own words) was not a celebrated guitarist or pianist, but a celebrated COMPOSER. He was great at COMING UP with ideas. Talents in music vary in that way. So it's not even worth it to be jealous about it if you don't even attempt to compose.
@@albums8825 Specially John's Lyrics, I Just listen to" In my life" , that's maybe my favorite song by the Beatles or any artist
John Lennon: "Let's say, hypothetically, for the sake of the argument, that there are no countries or religion"
Ben Shapiro: "you lost me there, buddy"
Only Ben Shapiro could listen to a song called “Imagine” and go “None of these things exist!”
“Let’s say, hypothetically, that’s there’s a brotherhood of man”
“No, that’d never happen”
I'm convinced Shapiro is autistic, but I don't want to imagine that, because then we're just making fun of a small handicapped man.
@@BeenSauce autistic people can be horrible too. That said I’m hoping he’s not because we don’t want him
“no greed or hunger”
ben shapiro: *scoffs*
The Ben Shapiro video reminded me of when I (autistic) answer people’s rhetorical or joke questions literally, and it takes me way too long to realize I’m rambling and they weren’t even serious…… and that’s not a good thing, it makes me cringe so hard. Basically, I’m insulting Ben Shapiro for acting autistic and I’m very autistic lol. (Idr think he’s actually autistic, just a disingenuous propaganda artist lol)
“Man in his room yells at anti-war song by dead man for ten straight minutes”
Witch Flowers i love the picture of him under the covers with candles lit next to a picture of AOC
*in his mother's basement
This is the best comment here yet.
Not “yells”, instead he “debates” it.
And loses.
Lord Saurgoth Lord knows if I was his mom I sure would've, LOL
its almost as if Ben Shapiro cannot wrap his mind around the fact that the song is not a manifesto on how to get a better world, but is instead a dream of what that better world will look like.
In fact, its almost as if, hypothetically, Ben Shapiro is unable to imagine things.
Love this quote, and it’s quite pertinent: “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” John Kenneth Galbraith
👏👏👏
Usually Ben is pretty good at employing the rhetoric and aesthetics of someone winning an argument, but this clip just makes you realize how crucial a timid college student is to that little song and dance. When there's no actual "SJW" for him to humiliate, no one to interrupt triumphantly, no way to trip Lennon up and strike when he fumbles... When it's just Ben vs a concept, it really illuminates how terrible Ben is at constructing a real intellectual argument.
*YES*
So true. He loves picking on inexperienced college students. He knows what kinds of questions they'll ask and prepares very well for them. That's like any grown adult debating a high school student on how best to manage money.
Its funny cuz he's feeling superior over a dead musician.... A dead.... Musician.
He literally has nothing against John, like.... At all, compared to him.
So the trick to debating him would be to pose these big conceptual questions. Like for Medicare for all you could say “Should your life depend on how much money you make?” You can’t really argue with morality.
This CZcams comment could be the most thorough explanation of Ben Shapiro that I’ve heard.
Ben Shapiro is the living embodiment of the phrase "Sir, this is a Wendys."
Fake news, the phrase an only be “sir, this is an Arby’s”
@@Zaccheus4 no one goes to Arby's
HellecticMojo E X A C T LY
"Welcome to Arby's, we have the meat."
"Let's say, hypothetically, that you DO have the meat."
"Please don't do this again, sir."
@Humphrey Hogan Are you sure OP is the snowflake here? You seem pretty upset over the phrase "Sir, this is a Wendy's."
listening to ben being drowned out by the music was so strangely comforting. you’re right, ben, he’s not the only one and im so glad we are your problem.
Ben Shapiro: “I find it quite unrealistic that every person in the club was looking at her simply because she was wearing apple bottom jeans and boots with fur”
Ben Shapiro's the type of kid who said "No we can't" to the Bob the Builder theme song
you just unearthed the memory of me doing that when I was like 6 and thinking I was hilarious
@@miserabelle sameee 😭
miserabelle well when I did that I thought I was rebellious and cool
"Well first off, Bob the Builder is absolutely ridiculous as he aims to teach kids about the fantasy world of building for no incentive. Hypothetically let's say, there was a show teaching your kids a giant lie and false idea of reality? Would you really be okay with that? Would this benefit the western society? Does Bob the Builder have judeo Christian values that actively help and progress the west? I think not."
@@Vic-tz3gl ASASIAWJEIOAWJELFKSDJLF
It feels like watching that scene of the Lorax where everyone is singing “Let it grow” and out of the nowhere Ben Shapiro starts singing “Let it die let it die”
Big Joel: *YOU GREEDY DIRTBAG*
Let it shrivel up and Come on, whos with me?
I was just thinking this!
Ben Shapiro: You know, most saplings die anyways. That sapling is probably going to die, so there's no point in trying to keep it alive.
He is the right height.
"IMAGINE there's nothing to kill or die for." Ben, "oh so you think there's nothing worth dying for?"
As someone who is deeply invested in music theory, the elitist arguments about music theory almost always come from people who don't make music. Music theory is an ATEMPT for people to map and explain why music works. Music theory is incredibly incomplete. Its a great tool don't get me wrong but no one needs to understand music to write it. Music is created and ALWAYS the theory of why it works follows. The existence of jazz defied what we previously understood about music. So then music theory had to update it's understanding and definition so jazz could be music. Ben Shapiro doesn't understand anything about music.
John Lennon: "Let's *pretend* for a moment that everything we do that causes our own suffering is gone instantly."
Ben Shapiro: "That's unrealistic."
I remember one time I was having a hypothetical discussion with my dad about black holes, I don't remember what the hypothetical scenario was, but it was an impossible one. I was asking "what if," and my dad basically kept saying "that's impossible." I repeatedly said that's not the point, and what if it COULD happen, and he just.. wouldn't go along with it. God I hate conversations like that.
Conservatism is a mind prison.
@cats zo yup
@@catpoke9557 people that cannot entertain the -idea- of a hypothetical situation are braindead and have peaked in their own intelligence.
I love hypothetical situation just because it's so fun and honestly really fun brainfood but it fucking crushes me when someone replies with "that's impossible" like congrats hypothetical situation is impossoble i am so proud of you
If you're nitpicking an old song like it's an argument to be won it's like yelling at a painting
Um... yelling "Dry Faster! Damn it!" doesn't make the painting dry faster? ... My life is crushed.
It's obviously just made to be CZcams clickbait and 10 minutes long so he can put ads on it. Not really a big deal.
Hey wait a minute, that's what this video is too! Crap I've been bamboozled.
you mean I shouldn't have screamed back at the scream that one time?
I enjoy screaming at the Mona Lisa.
I can imagine Ben Shapiro yelling at a painting of Lenin for 40 minutes
Here's the thing about the "living for today" bit, it tells you that the only thing standing between little Ben and mass murder is the existence of consequences.
that clip of his video is genuinely some of the most moving art. it accomplishes the exact opposite of what he wants, and it’s incredible
yessss it's like a perfect encapsulation of what i love about art. the way ben plays it in complete sincerity & never realises what he's doing. just beautiful
John Lennon: "We should improve society somewhat."
Benny Sharpie: "And yet you participate in society. Curious!
I am very intelligent."
To be fair, Lennon is not talking about improving it _somewhat._ He's talking about a revolution in how we organize our economy and frame our identity. A thing that we have to do or slide yet again into fascism btw.
@@somedudeok1451 No, Lennon is talking about IMAGINING if it was different. He's provoking thought here, not action.
Not that I disagree about the validity of the conclusion. Just that that's putting words in Lennon's mouth.
@@sterlingdragon123 When Mlk said he had a dream, he was also calling to action.
John Lennon: This says alot about our society
Ben Shapiro: And yet we live in one
Is that truly your take on John Lennon's Imagine? It's an appeal to a utopian vision. The problem is when we seek to plenty Utopia we have always come out with the exact opposite. This is true irrespective of which side of the political isle you stand on.
An An-Caps view of Utopia is something I find quite fear inducing. Same with a Socialist/Communist take on it.
“Welcome to Olive Garden, would you like to try our Unlimited Breadsticks?”
That is absolutely impossible. Let’s say you had 50 breadsticks. Sure, that would be a lot, but no where near unlimited. The supply of breadsticks couldn’t possibly be infinite, as this store is not. I’m utterly disappointed, and I hope you don’t come near me ever again.
I can’t help but read this in Shapiro’s annoying voice
2/10, didn't waffle nearly enough about how unlimited breadsticks are communist and out to destroy the West before getting to the point.
Offering what you call Unlimited breadsticks is the most immoral thing possible.
Don't even get him started on Applebee's bottomless fries..
On a side note, I worked at an Applebee's. about 15 years ago and the kitchen manager was super stingey with the fries. He was totally the kind of guy who'd get his info from ben Shapiro. Conservative dude bro douche nozzle.
bro the fact i read this in ben's voice...UGHHHH
My high school chorus teacher sung Imagine at one of our concerts a couple years ago, and then got in trouble because some parents complained and said that the song was "against Christianity" and therefore it was discrimination to sing it
Nothing ever really came of it, but it was just very frustrating and dumb
Bestie really said “I’m pro greed and pro hunger” with his whole chest
Using "the idea of owning what you produce" to argue FOR capitalism is truly ridiculous
Ben Shapiro is a closeted commie! lol
I had to do an enormous double take when he said that
It was a breathtaking choice of wording for our friend Ben to use.
Makes sense if the people who sell you their labor are mechanical and not human.
@@commbir5148 For our "Comrade". Checked that spelling for you.
Lenon: "Imagine if we could like, end world hunger and never have to kill anyone."
Ben Shapiro: "THAT'S THE MOST IMMORAL DISGUSTING THING ANY HUMAN HAS EVER SAID."
But that is the problem with liberals. Its all about an unattainable utopia. There is no basis in reality. Then they try to apply it to reality and are surprised by the unintended consequences. The end result is worse than just dealing with reality in the first place.
@@en5788
*Idealists
Liberals are not idealists.
@@en5788 Who says "liberals" do that? It's just an idea - there's not really any political sentiment to it - it's anti-political.
@Gannon Rice None of those are liberal ideas.
Their social democrat ideas, otherwise known as centrist ideas.
Neo-libs and neo-cons are wacky levels of right wing.
@Gannon Rice Tiny bit of both.
It's a thing called the Overton window. Essentially most us politician's are actually pretty right wing compared to the rest of the western world and so are their ideas.
To the point of the Democracts and the Republicans being both extreme right wing party's in other countrys. Bernie Sanders is an example of someone who's actually centrist in your country for example and mainly just wants to bring things to the level they are in europe.
Lmao the fact that Shapiro somehow pushed me into liking this song and finding it inspirational in a way I haven’t
The “I wonder if you can” immediately following Shapiro demonstrating that he can’t is hilarious timing that I couldn’t write if I wanted to
the part when ben shapiro said, "its the anniversary of his *_death_* , so we're gonna make fun of the worst song ever!" REALLY made him sound like a cartoon villain
Also he clearly doesn't like the Beatles and makes fun of their musical abilities but STILL has to talk shit on Yoko. I wonder why, Ben. Could it be racist misogyny?
ben shapiro and billy mitchell are my top cartoonish villains that somehow exist in real life
Nice Epithet.
@@joysomepossum to be fair, Yoko Ono is a garbage human being who deserves scorn
Ben always acts and sounds like a cartoon villain
“There was no civilization for thousands of years then BOOM western civilization”
???
*???*
Has this man taken one history lesson?? ONE??!
Why, isn't the USA the beginning of history and the end of it?
(Its a joke, please take it as a joke)
@@mshaqed2538 it is, dumbass. Pick up a book for once 🙄🙄🙄 Goddamn lefties tryna indoctrinate us with their communist ideals. Trump 2024, 28, 32, 36. God bless America 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Like Mesopotamia? Indus River Valley Civilization? Fucking EGYPT?
@@EllyFLuft Its a joke, but you are right, this man is quit stupid (though not as stupid as the man who claimed that bleach cures Covid and windmills cause cancer)
@@mshaqed2538 I was more responding to OP's comment, so it's all good my dude.
I like how Ben is like "well isn't child abuse something to kill for?" but Lennon said that there is nothing to kill for, meaning there wouldn't be child abuse!!!!
This video gets to the core of why I'm politically on the left. I disagree with the practicality of a lot of what socialists propose, but ultimately their version of utopia is so much better than the right's. I don't think we'll ever achieve a utopia, either right or left, but to see the world that each side views as ideal and is working towards forces me to be on the left. Lennon wrote a beautiful song about a utopian vision of humanity, loving and caring for each other. Shapiro, on the other hand, proposes his vision of utopia - a harsh, cruel world where artists burn in Hell for eternity and small gremlin men like him can dictate that none of the Beatles or Jimi Hendrix were good musicians.
I think the difference in many popular people on both sides of what we in America considered the only aisle--basically top level members of both of our currently allowed political parties--is pretty stark.
There are universal problems everywhere, and almost nobody is living a great life, with the very few who have unlimited possibilities at that better life (whether or not they achieve it) being the rich at the top. And the best way to earn money under our current worldwide society is to exploit other people for your own selfish betterment.
In America, the right-wing pundits, talking heads, and public figures, all say that this is good, that's how it should be, it's really not as bad as it looks, it's probably your fault that you're poor, and we can't and won't change anything about it.
The people on the left tend to think there are things we could do about it, it's just that the rich people don't want to do it.
Lennon "Imagine a better world."
Shapiro "I will not, sir! I refuse! You cannot make me!"
That's not all .His imagination of 'no religion' is horrifying.
No BAD religion we can get.
@Serene Haze You're right that is how rightwingers like Shapiro use globalist just not Shapiro as he's an orthodox Jew. Just thought I'd mention that before one of his fans stumble on your comment and say it a far more rude fashion.
@@KaceyRepublic No, Shapiro instead uses the...weirdass term of "ethnic jews" all the time.
-Imagine a better world-
Nah more like imagine a utopia. We have learned that when we attempt to create a utopia we end up with the opposite.
The imperfection of the human self is the case of this, but we are stuck being human. So there's not much we can do about that aspect.
@Serene Haze
"Like using globalist instead of Jew"
Some may well do, but a Globalist is simply someone who supports Globalism. Many a non-Jewish person does so. Many a right winger also supports Jews, many a left winger are anti-Semitic & vice versa.
Hatred of Jews is not a particularly partisan ideal. You should probably look at the recent violence against Jewish people & look at who is more likely to be the perpetrators of such violence.
So according to Shapiro, human history goes “nothing, nothing, nothing,
W E S T E R N
C I V I L I Z A T I O N “
Josciety as if the ancient Egyptians weren’t a thing
In the beginning, the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Then England, or something.
Mesopotamia also wasn’t a thing.
Wow he really knows how to undermind his own god lmfao ya Jesus I believe in!! You didn't do shit!!
Who does he think built the Taj mahal?
Monkies?
Another funny thing about this is that Shapiro himself constantly uses suspention of disbelief and imaginary constructs as the basis for his own arguments. Yet he is utterly incapable of participating in a flight of imagination, as painted by someone else.
How to have the same amount of knowledge as Ben Shapiro:
1. Go on Google and search about the world's problems
2. Go to your junk drawer
3. Look and find a toothpick
4. Directly place one of the sharp ends wedged under your big toe
5. Repeatedly kick a wall as hard as you can and then try to explain what you just did as if it's any use to anyone.
When John Lennon was shot, the world cried. Ben knows deep down that very few will miss or remember him.
He also knows that more people will cheer his death than mourn it.
Both of them were/are garbage people. One was a deadbeat who ran out on his family and cheated on his first wife, the other is a bigot who hates anything that isnt Judeo Christian according to him.
Even outside of the context of the song who hears “imagine [] nothing to kill or die for” and immediately think “so if someone hurts a child I’m not supposed to care.” Like, no sir, we are asking you to imagine a world where no one hurts them in the first place. Thanks for playing.
Also, there's a big fucking difference between "caring about the children being hurt" and "I'm gonna fucking be a psychopath and go MURDER the person who hurt the kid". You CAN care about the kid and NOT murder someone, you don't have to be a violent barbarian to prove that you give a shit.
@@TheSefirosu200x nah it can't be, that'd mean life isn't childishly clear and all the options only extremely right or extremely wrong
John Lennon.- Imagine no posesions, I wonder if you can.
Ben Shapiro.- But possesions are what made us strive in the far distant past. How the hell are we suppossed to be better if we all just have to need something and people will help us with it, huh? What incentive does humanity have to become better if we all have the moral duty to be better for each other? We can't. Western civilization.
Big Joel.- Huh. I guess you really can't.
@@TheSefirosu200x
What? No, it's about killing the person, before they can do something.
@@SirEriol
Not even quite extreme communists advocate against all possessions. That's a completely bonkers idea. It's like mandatory orgies in which everyone has to participate.
"... and this is the stupidest line of the whole song. Walking a whole five hundred miles after already having walked five hundred is ludicrous. It would take years of training to be able to do this. Have you thought about how long it would take to walk 1000 miles? You wouldn't... "
- Ben Shapiro, at some point, probably
ahahahahahahahahah
"yeah, we already know you have your little pony, you have repeated it several times. You don't need to say it anymore..."
He just doesn’t understand what it’s like to walk a thousand miles and fall down at your door, doo doo doo (doo doo doo)
Love this
"....thanks to WESTERN CIVILIZATION, we have cars and trains and airplanes and you don't have to walk 500 miles. That's right, and this is because of PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTY".
"Posthumously owned Ben Shapiro"
A fine addition to any epitaph
It makes perfect sense that Ben Shapiro hates Imagine. Coz that song asks Ben to imagine a utopic world that's completely devoid of people who are just like Ben. Poor Ben can't be expected to imagine "not existing", none of us can imagine not existing
Ben Shapiro is the type of person that thinks CinemaSins is legitimate and intellectual criticism, rather than a series of nit-picks and one-liners for the purpose of comedy alone.
@Nobody You Know That's your opinion. Don't state it as if it was a fact.
Remember, there are people that think Shapiro is funny. Absolutely subjective.
Btw, I hate it too. But that's us.
@Nobody You Know sounds like CinemaSins talked shit about one of your fav films so now you're mad at them
@@tarielkaroldan4106 Check out one of Shaun's videos about CinemaSins, maybe you'll see where they're coming from.
Ben Shapiro basically is Cinema Sins. In the worst ways only.
@@littlemonztergaming8665 or Th3 Birdman.
Fun Fact: Stevie Wonder isn’t a great musician because he can’t read sheet music
Yiiiiiiikes
Neither was Ray Charles
Brilliant!
Ben Shapiro is so full of himself he thinks he is the ultimate judge of what makes a great musician. Yeah, ok. I can read piano music, so with ben’s logic, Stevie wonder is less of a musician than I am. Which is the furthest thing from the truth! Great logic there, Ben
That's odd, I can read sheet music but I'm a sheetty musician.
Paul McCartney can’t either! So by his whacky logic, I’m a better musician because I can read music?
Ben Shapiro is so addicted to this idea of western superiority that he has time and time again not only ignored, but belittled the IMMENSE contributions to the world that the east has made. Literally nothing the westerners and the Europeans have done is something that was completely independent of Asian or African influence. The middle east and south and east Asia are the literal pioneers of civilization. Where the west fell into dark ages, the east endured. This guysm has no base of efficient evidence to prove half of the points he has made about "the west". He is just really good at talking fast with big words in groups of conservatives who treat his worda like gospel and debating 1st year college students. Vile human. Not worthy of the title of journalist or free speech advocate.
well of course.Ben is an amrican conservative. its what they DO. Its what they're all about.
I think maybe the funniest part of this is Lennon saying something to the effect “be nice to people and don’t be anxious” and Ben is like “no”
Ben: people are not inherently good. Also ben: unfettered capitalism will work because the capitalists will do what is good for everyone
It's that in capitalism everyone can do what is good for them and those they care about. Any form of centrally controlled economy is exactly that, centrally controlled. Meaning the people in central power will do what is good for them and they're the only ones who get to choose.
@@gavinriley5232 Until the snowball effect of accumulating wealth and gaming the system undermines everything and you have an oligarchy. Unfettered capitalism is not immune from power and wealth consolidation and becoming centralized- it'd just be a powerful group of private corporations as opposed to government control.
NixIsia BOOM.
@@Slasha00
Ah yes because when large corporations amass large portions of the market and then charge people unfair amounts of money no competitors ever step up. No-one can ever start a business if they're poor.
@@Slasha00 Oh, so when it becomes a Socialist State.
Ben Sharpie: Imagine is dumb
Also Ben Snickeroo in every argument: Let’s say, let’s imagine for a moment, hypothetically
That was actually what I thought this video was going to be about originally.
Joseph Noonan
Same, honestly.
Nice one mate 😉
at least he actually tackles those kinds of arguments when he's presented like them.
@@michaelmitchell6089 he's usually tackling absurd absolute worst scenarios that he just assumes the opposing side is advocating for.
5:30 we all just gonna gloss over the fact that Ben says here that you should “own what you produce” and why it’s important to society, as a defense of modern capitalism? That’s pretty interesting imo
He would have been more open to the song if Lennon had said " let's say" instead of "imagine"
"the idea of labor, the idea of owning what you produce."
Are you saying the workers should own the fruits of their labor as opposed to giving it to the lazy capitalists, Comrade Shapiro?
A capitalist making communist statements....
Wait doesn't he hate communism?
Lol,, I was thinking the exact thing. If only he knew Marxist view of labour and possession of said labour🤭
Plot Twist: Ben Shapiro is secretly a communist, but he keeps appealing to his stupid fanbase because he needs money.
Well the owners own the laborers in his mind
That’s hilarious. Ben sounds like he’s advocating for democratization of the means of production... a general socialist tenet. Ben, great idea! Amazon employees should be shareholders in the corporation that they work for!
Shapiro was asked to "imagine if you will" for the sake of argument by John Lennon and goes into a snowflake tantrum lol
Ironic that Ben "hypothetically speaking" Shapiro has a hard time imagining hypothetical situations
Ironic that this is the same Ben Shapiro who calls trans people and Gen Zs snowflakes after self-proclaiming that he completely destroyed transgenderism and owned every single college student
Lmfao this comment 💯
Love that Ben identifies with Cersei Lannister, explains so much
Ben is the perfect example of someone who has never struggled in their life.
“Sweet Caroline, good times never seemed so good!”
Ben Shapiro: “Firstly, I have no idea who Caroline is. Next, saying that a good time seems good implies that it truly isn’t and that it is actually really bad now. Creating this false sense of happiness is immoral. Let say, hypothetically, I was eating a hamburger and I said ‘this hamburger seems so good’ you would be confused since that implies that it isn’t. This song is a monstrosity that should not be played.”
SOMETHING ABOUT THE PHRASE “Let’s say, hypothetically, I was eating a burger” IN BEN SHAPIROS VOICE HAS ME ON THE FLOOR-
This
To be fair to imaginary Ben here, Sweet Caroline does make my ears hurt.
Boston Faithfuls are with you! Fenway will never die!
BUH BUH BUH.......Ok that is the most immoral thing ever
"Let's say, hypothetically, that the ocean levels rise, what, five feet? You don't think that people will just sell their houses and move?"
-Ben Shapiro, real quote.
"Just one small problem! Sell their houses to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?!"
-Harris Bomberguy.
I'm sorry.
I doubt he'd think it'd be significant since the sea levels will only rise up about his height, (which isn't very much)
Fucking Aquaman
@edgar allan hoe I couldn't resist saying it.
SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO BEN
*FUCKING A Q U A M A N*
Ben Shapiro when a song called "Imagine" isn't realistic:😭
Paired with Ben's commentary, the song plays out like one of those quarreling male - female duets.
Listening to Shapiro flip out about the song and try to "debate it" really shows how he's just kind of pathetic lmao
“This is so childish” Says the man arguing with a song
He literally calls a dead man from the 70's "a commie with a big house"
@Crystal Nelson he doesn't really debate them though he just overwhelms them with words until they panic and give up, watch Andrew Neil vs Ben if you wanna see how it looks when it doesnt work
shapiro reminds me of the edge lord kid in music class when "imagine" plays and he tries show them how "woke" he is that tHe wOrLd iS cRuEl u sHeEp
ben reminds me of the guy in your politics class who just shouts at you and talks and talks and talks at you when he disagrees with you untill the bell goes and hes like "huh yeah i knew id win"
Ben was the kid in school who reminded the teacher that there was homework
Ily Void he would totally do like that 😒
Ben was the kid in school who never did his homework, and then blamed the teacher for being an elitist liberal for failing him.
I know it’s a dead meme, but Ben Shapiro is the real life version of that Yellow Shirt Kid from the Polar Express.
Or you could say that Ben is a guy who has been told how smart he is his entire life, to the point where he has come to believe that any thought that comes to his mind must be a really smart one. Because otherwise, he wouldn't have thought it.
@@inconvenientfacts58 "I didn't fail to learn, you failed to educate *SNIVEL*"
Has anyone ever seen Joel and 60s-era Stanley Kubrick in the same room? Like, ever?
Wow, he is actually doing to the song exactly what John Lennon posits in the lyrics. Lennon wrote a song asking us to imagine a world where we have taken down the barriers we've erected between us, and Shapiro is listening to the song while actively doing exactly what the song gently criticizes.
"Ben Shapiro heckling an absent John Lennon while Imagine continues in the background" is genuinely the kind of premise I'd expect from a shitpost. This is amazing.
How does one shitpost themselves? How did Ben Shapiro unironically achieve such a thing? And achieve it to such quality to his own detriment?
@@kingcole5977
Truly, Ben Shapiro's lack of self reflection causes shitpost interactions I would not have thought possible. The extent of his ability must be studied further, that we might unlock the true nature of the shitpost.
@@kingcole5977 people do t all the time? you seem to be confused
This video changed my perspective on Imagine, honestly. I thought it was preachy and had little more to say than "religion, possessions, and countries bad." I never picked up on the message that humans created many of the things that give us problems. The song still isn't my cup of tea, but I appreciate it a lot more, so thank you.
John Lennon DESTROYS Ben Shapiro with FACTS & LOGIC
Lennon isn't saying, "Don't kill someone who kills 1 million people." He's saying "In an ideal world, 1 million people wouldn't have been killed in the first place, so you wouldn't need to kill them back." It's willful ignorance, which is the guiding ethos of the modern right.
But, also, you still shouldn't kill that person. You definitely don't "need" to.
We don't live in an ideal world, we never will.
@@zinjanthropus322 it's a song, sunshine. Cynicism doesn't equal intelligence.
@@absolutless over 130 million deaths in the pursuit of utopia in a century. But of course, it's just a song.
@@zinjanthropus322 what? oh you're regurgitating some anti-social blather you were told to think by a corporation that wants to keep you docile and depressed. Cool cool, good luck with that. Throwing giant numbers out there arbitrarily is a great argument technique, now everyone thinks you know what you're talking about. (slowly backs away)
The fact that Ben Shapiro got owned by an audio recording of a dead man is honestly impressive.
You meant a dead legend
the power of ignorance ngl
Ben needa therapy. Lots of it
Dead Musician Destroys Lawyer's Argument with Facts and Logic
Imagine what his reaction would be if he heard kurt cobain or Chris Cornell or Bob Dylans opinions lol he would explode kurt was a far left anarchist chris was a liberal who was in a band with mostly socialists (I'm talking about Audioslave not soundgarden Audioslave was a chris cornell and ratm supergroup that was basically just soundgarden2.0 with the ratm members and chris) and I actually don't know what Bob Dylan aligned with but he was also pretty left leaning
I actually had to scream when Ben said we own what we produce. It's so blatantly out of touch. So you're telling me factory workers own the cars they make? Get real
5:30 it is fucking hilarious that Ben Shapiro says "the idea of owning what you produce" while bashing communism
it gets me every time
I love how Ben so casually mischaracterizes the entirety of human history as "nothing, then Western Civilization happened."
Nothing like that good old christian racism.
He's Jewish actually. So idk if that's worse or what
@@darthrevan454 Not sure either but it does feel ironic.
@@segara04 either way he's pathetic
@@darthrevan454 Yeah it's more just western ignorance than Christian. But for a good portion of the west's golden age, jewish people were put down, persecuted, on the fringes of society etc. Christianity (or Western Christianity) used to be synonymous with the west. So although today there's this praise of "judeo-Christian values", a lot of what supposedly defines the west was interwoven with Christianity specifically.
@@connormurphy683 ill never understand how people can be ignorant. It legitimately bothers me not knowing something much less talking about something i have no knowledge about.
Shapiro’s voiceover of the song genuinely sounds like a middle schooler trying to be edgy and bash something positive and uplifting. Like yeah, it’s a clichéd song now, but I can’t think of anything more stereotypically childish than endlessly insulting something that you think is mainstream.
And it's funny too because that's, like.. exactly what his audience is and does.
They're edgy shitlords in middle or high school pretending like they're winning, they're owning people, that they're real big and important and dominant, by whining about different ideas and acting as if they've already won. It's almost sad how many kids get swindled by it because they're feeling small in their lives and turn to being an asshole instead of a whole human being.
And he talks over it as much as he can because he doesn't want anyone else to actually listen to it and form a different opinion.
I also find it incredibly tasteless and tacky. Like if you hate the song, fine. But going out of your way to trash a song made by a dead man for its positivity
The whole idea forcibly makes me imagine (heh) some edgy 13 year old who think they know all about nihilism because they managed to read Nietzsche once. All I can think is, wow stay classy, Ben!
Someone random Giving them Nietzche is generous, watched a few episodes of Rick and Morty and thought it was a superior mindset is more likely
Nicholas Kalas-Hernandez Ha! Too true!
God, words cannot describe the *chills* I still get when Ben lets the song play. Keeps me coming back here every few months. Amazin’
Man I love this video I rewatch this over and over again.
10 minutes of Ben Shapiro not understanding the word imagine
I choose to live in an alternate reality where Ben Shapiro is completely capping and is just doing all of this for money. This man graduated from Harvard at 18 and Harvard Law at 21 (I may be wrong on these but it was when he was very young). He’s a top-tier academic for his field and I’d expect for someone like him to be debating with the likes of those in his level of intelligence. Meanwhile, his typical debaters are 19 year old college students or pop stars who were high school drop-outs. Does he honestly feel a high when he’s “winning” arguments with these people? No shame on either of them but with his skill sets that’d be like arguing with a toddler.
Something just isn’t clicking. However, it clicks if you think he’s cap.
@@Alexis-wg5nx From a purely business perspective, he made a great call. He gets to be far more intellectually lazy in his messaging to the complete Neanderthals that unironically consume his content as news. Why stay in academia when he can make millions selling conservative propaganda, which requires a slim fraction of the amount of effort, compared to actual peer-reviewed intellectual discourse? Sometimes it is difficult to discern whether he seriously believes in what he’s saying when you take his educational background into account. Then you remember he makes a buttload of money - don’t look too deep into it.
@@Alexis-wg5nx He can't even stand up to Joe Rogan in a conversation.
The idea that humans were just farting around until Aristotle invented the west is... something.
I mean, humans are still just farting around, really.
I’m farting right now!
We all fart around
I fart, therefore I am.
i be poobing and fartin
The way Ben nitpicks while the song is playing is literally heckling
Ben's reaction to being told to "live for the day" makes me think he has crippling anxiety and cannot exist in a moment.