No Gay Marriage Here: The Northern Ireland Story | BBC Newsbeat
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- Declan Harvey investigates why Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK to not allow same-sex couples to marry. With the recent 'yes' vote in the Republic of Ireland in favour of gay marriage and many other countries across Europe changing their laws to allow it, why is Northern Ireland different? We meet young gay people who say they're embarrassed and frustrated at their country's lack of progress and hear the strongly held arguments against change from the governing Democratic Unionist Party.
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Don't forget about the tens of thousands of people here who don't support green OR orange and who don't care for religion whatsoever. There are thousands of us and more and more are leaving religion behind every day. We're pulling our hair out having to live under this joke of a government. Equality for all!
Eoin O'Callaghan I think it would have been a LOVELY contrast to involve the people you've mentioned in your post Eoin. I agree, there are thousands of us.
"I don't understand same sex marriage." AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND JAPANESE BUT I AIN'T ILLEGALISING IT, LINDA
@@reinerbraun9103 same sex marriage is not a disorder and its offensive to insinuate so.
Jacah Smith it is a disorder if being truthful is offensive well I guess I’m a very offensive person
Thanos Yeah, Japanese must be out in the diagnostic criteria now.
@@reinerbraun9103 how do i explain Japanese people to my children?
@PatchesRips that isn't racist
“Clicks on a video about Irish people, immediately checks if there are subtitles available”
I'm Irish and there is some Irish sounding like Japanese lol
@@johngibson6177
Haha I'm Pakistani and I absolutely love the Irish accent, but I can barely understand it when Irish people speak too fast.
@@Stale_Buns it’s northern irish accent not irish accent👍🏼they are very different nations
@@johngibson6177 I'm from the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪 and I sometimes can't understand the Northern Irish accent.
@@cj9403 yes the Northern Ireland accent is very thick!
homophobia is a lifestyle choice
@@pth6060 it is, wonder why people choose to be homophobic?
Homophobia is a natural law.
What is homophobic about telling the truth? Marriage is and always will be between a man and a woman. No man made law will ever alter the truth.
Northern Ireland is generally stuck in the 50s
Haha, when the hell were you born that the 50s is so good? Thanks, but I'd much rather live in the modern world with modern medicine, technology and rights. But hey, if you're a straight white guy then I'm sure the 50s were awesome.
Glenn Murray sorry that is untrue the majority here want same sex marriage but the DUP and alot of loyalists stop it.
We didn't have a 50s, as some idiots decided to turn into terrorists.
That's because Nationalists won't move on
I live there and I can guarantee you that’s wrong
they believe in a union but won;t implement gay marriage
Michael Hickland thats the DUP for you btw NI only half believe in the uniom the other half soon to be majority do not believe in the union.
What nonsense.The DUP believe in a union with the UK,Irish Nationalists believe in a union with the Republic of Ireland.
@@TheEaglestar1 ah, the joys of dual-citizenship
GMan Baz Do you follow The Church my guy?
Folks, listen I'm straight and I live in the republic of Ireland. I consider myself a though lad but we legalized gay marriage and frankly it almost brings me to tears how proud I am of my country for doing so. I don't feel threatened by the gay community and nor do I think their marriage will in any way affects me. To those who are fearful, I get it, its new and unusual and hard to comprehend but you don't need to be fearful. There is loving, caring and contributing members of your society that are restricted in their ability to love their partners. How would you feel if you couldn't marry the person you loved? Being fearful of change is natural, we all do it, but please believe me as person who knows that you have nothing to fear and everything to gain =)
Chemical Burns Ur amazing!
Chemical Burns but you miss the point entirely, marriage was created by religion and is purely a religious and the exact secular equivalent is civil partnership. It is like atheists demanding to be allowed to undertake mass/communion - the logical question is.....but why do you want to when mass is a religious ceremony and you are not religious? Even when a marriage is conducted outside of any religious building or does not contain any religious symbolism it doesn't change its roots and why it was established.
@@coopermarcukaitis2688 Try to fight someone who can turn it against you. I'm just saying having a attraction towards the same sex doesn't automatically make you weak.
I hate LGBTQs
gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Proves once again that the country which I call home is backward. As much as it hurts to see my country shown in this light, I'm glad the BBC are doing this
Conor Patton just because it does not allow gay marriage it doesnt mean the country is backwards
It will be great when Goverments learn not to mix Religion and State.
northern Ireland are way behind the republic of Ireland in terms of this issue which is crazy
Mr gatsby Ward Behind on abortion to it legal in Ireland .
wrong totally the laws are nearly the same
stoney71 Abortion is Legal in the republic.
Robert Kelly sorry mate have to agree with stoney71 abortion isn't legal in Ireland I'm from here it's not allowed it's only legal in extreme cases if the women's life is at risk but for cases of rape or something not legal
i am irish definitely not legal here
NO SAME SEX MARRIAGE 🇺🇸
Same sex marriage doesn’t mean YOU have to get married to someone of the same sex, it just gives same sex couples more equality. If you’re already married to someone of the opposite sex, then same-sex marriage doesn’t change anything about your marriage.
Really interesting- important discussion to have
That's the Loyalist ideology for you. Fascism, sectarianism & extreme hatred of anybody different.
+wks107tdv123 Says the guy with a Klashnikov CZcams icon.
TheEaglestar1 To defend of Loyalists & British invaders.
wks107tdv123 And displaying your own Irish Fascism,sectarianism and extreme hatred of anyone of a differing political viewpoint.
TheEaglestar1 No, The vast majority are in favor of gay marriage we had a vote on it a few months ago & it passed by a landslide.you. I don't hate people with a different view of politics I don't hate Liberals, Conservatives, Labor, Lib Dens, Social Democrats, Socialists, Democrats but I hate your hateful bigoted brand of Orange Fascism with those orange fucking sashes you fucking moron Another example of Loyalist inbred ignorance.
+wks107tdv123 The vast majority of who? And according to what data? You spell "favor" in American spelling,here in Northern Ireland we spell as "favour". Are you speaking for the vast majority of Americans??? You do not speak for the people of Northern Ireland.There was no vote on homosexual marriage a few months ago that "passed by a landslide" in Northern Ireland.You are simply spouting propaganda.
"I hate your hateful bigoted brand of Orange Fascism with those orange fucking sashes you fucking moron" I have nothing to do with Orangeism or Fascism or orange sashes.I am a political liberal with conservative social values.This is probably extremely difficult for you to comprehend but I am not a "fucking moron", I am celibate with an iq of 148.
"Another example of Loyalist inbred ignorance" I am neither a loyalist nor am I inbred nor am I ignorant about this subject or on how it relates to Northern Ireland.
You,on the other hand support violence,spout propaganda using false information and are a hypocrite.
Interesting this young gay man will vote for the unionists side despite their homophobia. It just shows the deep divide. Sinn Fein support gay marriage yey this gay man still supports the homophobia of the unionists.
Yeah I thought that was fascinating. But then he did make a valid point - other political issues may be seen by many gay people as being at least as important and maybe more so than gay rights. Like for me, I vote Conservative in the UK. Happily, they also support equal rights for gay people, but if they did not, I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour or one of the other left wing parties, as I'd be disagreeing with them on almost every other issue. I'd far sooner vote UKIP than Labour, Lib Dem or Green, despite their lack of support for gay people. Thankfully, I don't face that choice and I think Cameron is to be hugely applauded for shifting the Tory position on gay rights from either ignoring them or being against them to being active supporters and driving it forward by passing gay marriage. I'm not Cameron's biggest fan in other areas, but that was a great and noble move.
JordanjamesX To oppose homosexual marriage legislation does not make one a "homophobe".An analogy would be to vote for Irish Nationalism does not make one a bigot.
To oppose homosexual marriage is to conserve the definition of marriage as being between two people of differing sexualities and differing physical bodies and emotional make-up.This is what marriage is about-to compromise with someone very different from oneself.
Homosexual marriage is not the same as heterosexual marriage.
+TheEaglestar1 yes but this party is discriminating against this man who is gay. He seems to feel a cultural tie to the homophobic unionists despite being gay. Even Sinn Fein supports gay marriage. Gay marriage is legal on Ireland by the way.
JordanjamesX Discriminating against happens all the time in life.You discriminate between your friends and those who are not your friends,your relatives and those who are not your relatives.When you buy something from one shop and not another you discriminate.When you vote for one party or candidate you discriminate.
When someone marries another person,they are dicriminating against very many people.
Healthy marriage requires strict discrimination ie one remains faithful to their marriage partner for all of their life.
Heterosexual marriage is not the same as homosexual partnership and they should not be labelled under the same category.If homosexuals wish to have sexual intercourse,they can do so.If they wish to have civil partnerships they can do so.They have no less civil rights than anyone else.
Homosexual marriage is NOT a civil rights issue it is a social and political issue.If it was a civil rights issue,the UK Westminster parliament would impose legislation to make it legal in Northern Ireland.Since it is a political and social issue and Northern Ieland has a representative democracy involving devolved power sharing,it is left to the people of Northern Ireland to decide on this political and social issue.
When you say,"Gay marriage is legal on Ireland by the way" I do know this.I would point out to you that this is irrelevant as the video above is on Northern Ireland where homosexual marriage is NOT legal and also point out to you that the Republic of Ireland is a different state from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.Therefore different laws apply to different jurisdictions.
+TheEaglestar1 this is different this gay man human rights are being infringed.
I think God had better things to do than worry about the definition of marriage....I hate organized religion because of the hate filled "worshipers" who probably don't even go to church spreading hateful tripe! Love your fellow man and get on with making the world a better place.
Saddens me you match the bigotry of the hate-filled worshipers in believing every religious person is like that, and denounce 'organized' religion (wtf is this???) subsequently.
***** maybe I was not clear in my opinion....I grew up in a warring bigoted family who seemed to think that the Holy Book was open to their own convenient interpretation. I have nothing against Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs for that matter. To each their own. I do however have a serious problem with those of ANY faith who think their religious freedom somehow trumps human rights and decency. I think the Good Lord wanted all of us to love each other...no matter what
***** if anyone has truly found the spirit of Our Lord or whomever they pray to, a road map to salvation should be unnecessary. Ta for the chance to speak my opinion.
glen atkinson You'll find gay marriage is not involving of human rights, courtesy of the European Court of Human Rights. The concept of rights is to enforce them against the state. If no right exists, the state is free to legitimately legislate over it. The state should be goverened according to the wishes of the majority. So, if the democratic process of the Assembly determines there should not be gay marriage, that is perfectly legitimate and should be respected. This is a legal positivism argument, but since rights are absent here, this should be the only conclusion one can come to.
***** studying law your level of intelligence is far above my pay scale...I don't know enough about constitutional politics or the law to even attempt to debate without making myself look like an arse....I'm a reasonable working class man who believes that the state has no place in the bedrooms of the world. My life experience has taught me that people are usually terrified of what they don't understand, often to the point of hostility. Just look around you. The world will not end if marriage equality is enacted. Did Belfast cease to exist when they allowed Sunday opening of the pub? It's still about. ..
The biggest reason northern Ireland is this way is because of the British we need to be s untied Ireland and until it is that way we will always be behind
Katala Just one problem with your plan-democracy and the power-sharing Executive so many have worked so hard to bring about.North Korea probably has more of your style of government.
TheEaglestar1 NI hate ROI that Their loss.
Robert Kelly Rubbish Robert ROI is a sovereign democratic republic, Northern Ireland is a democratic integral part of the UK.
Live and let live Robert. Your vote is as valid as anyone else's. And anyone else's vote is as valid as yours.
TheEaglestar1 NI hates ROI because it majority Catholic NI is Presbyterian.
I am a proud Irish person still that the republic by popular vote said yes , I try and hope to understand religious concerns,,but when it goes to outright hatred and discrimination no.
Martha Murphy no going by a made up story in a book to justify having hatred towards any group of people.
But tell me, why is "Look after each other" graffitied on a wall?
It will pass. People are slowly waking up & realising that people deserve equal treatment. You can't choose how you are born. Gay people are just being honest about who they are and they should, for them & their own families have equal standing in the law.
One day we will look back and frown at all this bigotry about love and wonder why the hell we were not focussing on eradicating hate!
Dude they choose to be gay not their hormones
ALL of Ireland should have equal marriage
They do this is the North
*P R E A C H.*
Why does absolutely every video about an issue in N.Ireland that's aimed at people not from N.Ireland hav to bring the Troubles into it?
So support Northern Ireland with all our hearts.
I hear one of my favourite songs from 10:23 :D
If you guys are wondering what the song is, it's called Euphoria by Loreen.
She represented Sweden and won Eurovision back in 2012.
Just throwing a random fact in there just in case you guys are wondering. :)
I love iiiittttt, I'm so glad it won Eurovision 2012!
I completely agree with same sex marriage people who disagree are disgusting it's a human right to marry who you love
Human right? Its a right for Normal people having a normal relationship you ignorant idiot
To become a homosexual you first have to be a product of a heterosexual couple
Everyone live happily together
Just remember your roots
I wonder why straights keep making so many gay people
@@darthmix because they turn out funnier, stylish ,visionary, achievers, make great parents, usually richer, and more for filled . Don't delay, make a gay!!!!
Bisexuals and pansexuals proving you wrong daily
I am gay and I was married to a man. My husband died last year and that was the most horrible thing ever. I was kicked out of our house, lost everything. My love, our pets, house, my life. THINK!
I believe maraige is between man and woman if man and man or woman and woman were supposed to be with each other u think the would be able to have kids naturally that's because there not supposed to be with eachother
Yes but a man can still donate sperm and a women can still get pregnant and become a mother or serogate through A.I or even just using a turkey baster. Being LGBTQ does not make one sterile. As they can still have kids.
A lot of heterosexual couples decide not to or can't have children. Therefore is we are restricting marriage or relationships soley to the purpose of producing offspring then laws would/should be placed to take said couples rights away.
Along with encouraging fertile spouses to leave the other if proven infertile, so that they may find a 'proper' mate.
And that acts such as oral sex, masturbation, wearing a condom/birth control and anal should be discouraged, as they hinder what is 'natural' and are merely lust based.
No matter what your beliefs are, gay people have every right to get married and every right to be as fecking miserable as the rest of us.
Well I'm never going to Northern Ireland anymore..
Why would you want to go there in the first place?
Good to hear they have these laws❤️
Changed in 2019. Gay marriage is now leagl
Its legal noooowwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!
Yay
Ew
Mazen Ibrahim We found another homophobe~
@@l-3832 homosexual 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Much respect to Northern Ireland.
Northern Ireland is my fav country from now i wish all best for this country Respect
@@MrLordBear what a shame
It's not about love, it's about lust and sinful practices. If it's just about love then they should not have sex.
Then nobody should have sex 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️bruh you dumb
Sex is such a small part of a relationship/marriage.
People who are against same sex marriage often make it about sex as if it's the only thing important in theirs.
The main complaint being that the couple can't have children, therefore it's just about lust. Meanwhile they have nothing against sexual acts like oral, masturbation, use of condoms or anal for some heterosexual couples. Nor do they promote or demand divorce or celabisy between straight couples who decide not to or can't have children. I mean, if they aren't going to have offspring, why should they be married or have sex? Even yet if one spouse proves to be infertile should the other not find a new suitable mate, so that they can procreate?
Unless we agree that sex is just another form of affection which we share with our consenting partner. Helping to create stronger bonds and from a medical standpoint, decrease health risks.
How do you purport to know better than the couple themselves what they feel towards each other?
Now is legal! We progress!
WOOO
🤮🤢🤮🤮🤮
Homosex......
mr. max Ok, boomer.
@@l-3832 your disgusting
Declan Harvey does a remarkable job here. Very personable, excellent reporting and fair coverage. This issue has a lot of nuance in NI -- and until one understands how the political structure works, it isn't possible to really understand the issue. I wish there were more journalists with Harvey's skill set and networks that promoted this kind of coverage. Kudos to BBC too.
***** Thanks for watching and really appreciate your comments. We'll pass it on to Declan too. Thanks again.
BBC Newsbeat Please pass on to Declan that his sectarian viewpoint that the Roman Catholic Church doesn't need to be consulted on their position yet Protestants do is very narrow minded.
Also please inform him of the large number of devout Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland who recognise that marriage between a man and a woman is NOT equal to homosexual marriage.How can it be? The whole nature of marriage is of two dissimilar people becoming as one.The nature of a man and woman coming together is radically different from that of a man and a man and a woman and a woman.Perhaps someday the BBC can make a documentary on the large number of former homosexual people who have been able to travel to a place of being happily married heterosexuals with the blessing of their own children.
gay is not a choice
wrong
the act on the impulse is a choice
so yes it is
So heterosexual people never act on impulse? Make it make sense.
Why did you not seek the views of the nationalist community, and interview Sinn Fein, the second largest party in the North, who were part instrumental in securing a yes vote in the referendum in the south and who are actively campaigning for same sex marriage in the north? Its not all doom and gloom and run by backward religious zealots. There is a progressive alternative emerging but I don't think your programme got that across
fearghal connolly Hi, thanks for the feedback. We were limited with time for this documentary, so we couldn't cover everything. You're right Sinn Fein are in favour of same-sex marriage and our reporter did say during the piece. We tried to cover each side of the argument fairly. Thanks again for getting in touch.
fearghal connolly Mr.Connolly,I agree with you,the BBC should have interviewed Sinn Fein and also the Roman Catholic Church who oppose homosexual marriage.The fact is clear that "equality" only exists in manifestos and unbiased media coverage does not exist.Perhaps we should inform the BBC that the Ulster Unionist Party and the SDLP and Alliance all have members in the power sharing Executive?
P.S. opposing homosexual marriage is a legitimate political and socially conservative viewpoint.Or perhaps some political viewpoints are more "equal" than others?
BBC Newsbeat then don't fucking make it, made us all look bad due too these loyalists muppets.
None of you gay people are never really married your just playing house don't here many gay people going through the divorce courts
A lot of what I hear from the traditionalists is that, "marriage as we know it will be changed and it won't be the same any more". No it won't, that will still be there but there will be the extra part of gay people being able to get married too.
on two issues i would support the dup,for the unborn babies and for mariage for man and women only. i mostly thank them for unborn babies lives.......unborn babies lives matter.
If you don’t like gay marriage, then don’t marry someone of the same sex. Easy fix.
Oh boy “i want to control women’s bodies”
i love how the people who are Anti-equality give little to no reason as to why they feel that way and those that do are incredibility ignorant through both their personal views and their justifications such as the bible which is contradictory within itself
Today same sex marriage is approved everywhere in the united states!!🎉🎉🎉
Sad Panda k
Good for ya
What the hell does "equality" have to do with one man buggerizing another man and marriage? Are you serious? You want to equate buggery with marriage?? There is nothing equal about any of that behavior.
When was sexual intercourse ever brought up? This discussion is about marriage and marriage only, as far as I can tell.
Chemtrails over Northern Ireland too...naturally.
Ireland rocks
+Jesus Vazquez Yes, it's done something right for a change!
+Patrick Walsh ah sure I never was as proud as casting that yes vote down here
+MrRobynLover You can't vote in both jurisdictions-did you know that? Do you understand what democracy means? If you are a ROI citizen then do not imperialistically impose your views on another nation's citizens.
TheEaglestar1 Same Ulster Unionists like Carson tried force Britishness and Protestantism in ROI 100 years ago and failed.
Don't worry, now Ireland became another globalised progressive degenerate sh1thole!
The DUP has young earth creationists in it's ranks. Disqualifying from any rational debate imho.
It's about time the BBC got some treatment for its obsession with all things LGBT. Creating awareness and encouraging equality is one thing but for the BBC it literally is turning into OCD and an unhealthy infatuation.
If I had a girlfriend, I would wait outside Stormount for Arlene to walk out and then start making out with my girlfriend just to annoy Arlene.
I am wondering is the reporter Declan Harvey gay or straight? He is a handsome man.
JordanjamesX Agreed haha
I was thinking the same...Damn.....
Not gonna lie, it's weird to hear my accent online... really weird... so weird...
Ikr 😂 I’m so used to hearing American and English accents lol.
Brilliant stuff guys! You delved right into the historical and cultural aspects of Northern Irish society and correlated that well with the campaign for Equal Marriage and LGBTQ Liberation here. I am Chair of the Queer Greens which is the LGBTQ caucus of the Green Party in NI and we have been campaigning for years on these issues, attracting support from right across the perceived political divide here. It can be said that these issues are largely #1 in importance for young people in NI, the current political establishment is not representative of young people and is only held in place through sectarian division, but this is changing. We will have marriage equality, and we will have LGBTQ liberation in Northern Ireland, but we need young people to keep making their voices heard and vote for and support parties which accurately represent their views and opinions, otherwise we are destined to an ever increasingly segregated society. Again, brilliant work!
Anthony Flynn Thanks Anthony. We really appreciate the reply and thanks for watching. Keep us posted and up to date on all your efforts.
7777electric good argument ! (sarcasm)
BBC Newsbeat Are you interested in keeping up to date with the efforts made to oppose homosexual marriage legislation in Northern Ireland? If not,why not?
Are you journalists or political activists?
TheEaglestar1 there's no such thing as "homosexual marriage", only Marriage
Anthony Flynn Hello Mr.Flynn.Why do you appear to think that marriage between a man and a man is the same as marriage between a man and a woman? Are men and women different or are they the same? Do you think your father and mother's relationship is of the same nature as homosexual partnerships you know of?
Same sex couple is wrong, i'm not reject the the one of them, but I'm reject what they are do. I agree with the rules North Ireland goverment. Just go on and keep strong with your Constitution, Law and principle. 👊
Kun Sudrajat why is same sex marriage wrong cus it’s different .your different to me I’m a white woman and your not doesn’t make that wrong nothing wrong with you from being a person of colour or me for being white so why is it wrong to be gay
(Creation Timeline)
4,500,000,000 > Age of Planet Earth
0,000,200,000 > Age of human race
0,000,004,350 > Age of marriage
0,000,002,015 > Age of Christian Jesus fairytale.
Religion is a con to keep you subservient. The pagan Romans learned that fast. It can also be a good source of humour (Samuel 18 verse 25).
+Jason Wilson Unfortunately, the government in Northern Ireland have no concept of science, they think the earth is flat and that it was created in 7 days!
+Jason Wilson
Look around you, look, God's fingerprint is in everything. The Fibonacci numbers, the patterns, the detailed and intelligent life all around. Complexity had to be created. don't go with the crowd that has been brainwashed by the school system.
No I disagree with that, I think that things took billions of years to get to where they are now, but that's easy for me to say as I'm an atheist.
+Saying it direct Created? Sure. Designed by a deity? Fuck no.
if this theory u keep in mind, so you dont need to follow the country's law because country's law created just a few years after independence day. am i wrong?
IT'S NOT FUCKING PEACEFUL AT ALL
6:01 "Unionist before being gay, even though being gay isn't a choice"
About 3/4 of the people here on this video will be embarrassed (or at least their children embarrassed of them) in a few decades. "We're a different society" - *offers no rationality about that difference*
well northern Ireland can just GOODBYE to TOURISM MOney!
"It's people in yer face kissin eugh" #spottheswine
Yup I'm northen irish,I blame the goverment!
PennyPandaGaming /mylittlepony your just irish no need for the northern shite, and no blame the DUP, sinn fien are pushing for same sex marriage nmw you may think of them.
I was there. IT WAS AWESOME!
Don’t let your traditions be ousted by those from the outside Ireland.
Well thanks Westminster for once.
Just like the EU referendum, you people cant stomach Democracy when the result doesn't go your way. Marriage is not a human right- therefore 'equal marriage' is not about human rights. It is therefore up for the legislature to decide. The NI Assembly has said NO to gay marriage too many times. DEAL WITH IT AND FIND AN ALTERNATIVE. May I suggest closing the inequality gaps between civil partnerships and married couples? From a young bisexual lad :)
Tyler Quandt bisexual people are homophobic and disguesting and you think you have a right to be homophobic beacuse u are bisexual poor boy see u when ni legalise gay marrige bye be disguesting bisexual most of you are
santanu bera I couldn't give two shits what you have to say- I'm talking about my own country NORTHERN IRELAND- It is up to the Northern Irish people how to decide :)
And excellent insult- ironic since most of you gay lads get jealous when the hot bisexual boy is taken by the girl ;) xxx
Well, it’s been legal for over a year now. Read it and weep.
@@stevenmcalister826 Did you honestly just reply to a 4yr old comment? How pathetic
@@user-qi5jw2hg1c Oh sorry I didn’t realise there was a time limit on replies.
it will happen work on it
I fear for the wellbeing of my country. After the Asher's incident, I really can't trust gay marriage
The DUP want to be british until it comes to abortion, gay rights and other social issues. Hypocrital much.
jamaica says no gay watch dis 4 real @
theres many gays living here in jamaica. its a fact jamaica has the most gays
@@kiyanalatoyapersaud944 That's a fucki. Lie....stfu
Being from England, I would hope better for NI, unfortunately they have to put up with this crap. Thankfully, the people are more forward-thinking in the ROI. Put a vote to the "normal folk" in Northern Ireland and let's see the result. The Dinosaur Ian Paisley!
Maybe then your analysis could lend itself to a study on the difference between the part of Ireland that was free to go, and the other bit kept under British control? 'Being from England', this may be a more relevant study for you, because regarding the marriage question, that is a matter for US to decide alone.
G@Z That one of reasons we do not want NI.
Irish reunification maybe the only way forward for left-leaning unionists, whether they like it or not. I would urge all progressive unionists in Northern Ireland to vote for Irish Republican politicians. Don't waste your vote on minority parties or bigoted religious zealots.
It's people like you trying to wrap a completely irrelevant thing such as gay marriage into the constitutional question which keeps your fellow Irishmen such as myself from wanting a united Ireland. Decide which is more important for you.
***** What keeps you from wanting a united Ireland? Gay marriage? Well, unfortunately for you, gay marriage is supported by most Irish people. north and south. So no, I don't have to decide which is more important, as support for gay marriage will forever gain more support in an increasingly socially liberal society. Social conservatism is dying I'm afraid, a long with other forms of stupid primitive ignorance like religion.
Seán Quinn The working class loyalist can be united alongside the middle and upper class moderate unionist when needs be because differences are not drawn between them when it comes to the constitutional question. This is something nationalism will never do: THERE lies your failure in wishing for a united Ireland.
It's not unfortunate for me at all, Séan. Quite the contrary: unfortunately for You, the south's legalization (nor the rest of the UK's) of gay marriage has no bearing on The North's. The North has decided through its legislature: We will have NO gay marriage. If there IS an inequality between the current civil partnerships and hetrosexual marriage, campaign for that change. I'll support it. The change doesn't have to be through this gay marriage farce. Slán agat from a bisexual Irish lad.
*The working class loyalist can be united alongside the middle and upper class moderate unionist when needs be because differences are not drawn between them when it comes to the constitutional question.*
You're making very little sense. The "constitutional question" is a non-sequitur. Most young people. working class or not, loyalist or not, are generally more supportive of gay marriage. A lot of young people are also indifferent toward identity politics.
*This is something nationalism will never do: THERE lies your failure in wishing for a united Ireland.*
I don't think you understand nationalism. Obviously those with no connection to Irish history or identity, will not care about Irish nationalism. But again, you missed the point entirely.
*It's not unfortunate for me at all, Séan. Quite the contrary: unfortunately for You, the south's legalization (nor the rest of the UK's) of gay marriage has no bearing on The North's.*
Except that it does. Not legally, that is true. However, the increasingly socially liberal and civic libertarian views of the Republic of Ireland and Great Britain, do mirror the views of Northern Ireland. It's just a matter of time at this point. The DUP can't keep vetoing a democratic proposal forever. The majority of people, from both sides of the cultural divide, now support gay marriage, and the DUP know it.
*The North has decided through its legislature: We will have NO gay marriage.*
No, the DUP did, by blocking a democratic mandate. If a referendum were held tomorrow (they're shouldn't be, as some rights are just a given, and democracy is not always relevant) you can be sure that gay marriage would be supported by the vast majority of Northern Ireland's population.
*If there IS an inequality between the current civil partnerships and hetrosexual marriage, campaign for that change. I'll support it.*
So if there isn't a difference, why not support gay marriage? Christians do not own marriage; a character in old irrelevant fictional book does not define marriage.
*The change doesn't have to be through this gay marriage farce. Slán agat from a bisexual Irish lad.*
What change? Way to contradict yourself in space of two sentences. What would it change though? Also, farce? In what way is supporting gay marriage absurd or disorganised?
Seán Quinn The way you dealt with the last point proved to me there is no point in concentrating on each of your neat little GCSE-style responses. Let's just say, I guarantee I've a deeper understanding of Irish nationalism than you'll ever have. I'd be willing to lay bets that you haven't the time of day for even the most moderate Orangeman despite their members in the past being the most ardent of nationalist Irishmen.
Regarding the constitutional question, it is you who have failed to grasp the point. Unionism can unite as a front when it comes to maintaining the union. Nationalism cannot do that (as in the nationalists parties, just to clarify that for you); they are too different. Left wing Irish Republicans divide themselves from their middle-class Irish nationalists neighbours, driving the latter into supporting a moderate unionism for economic reasons. This is a political reality.
The legislature is there for a reason. You do not live in an anarchy- what 'young people' go on and on about in politics only proves the point that they should be learning about more important political matters than gay marriage. The petition of concern has a democratic rationale behind it- as do the other mechanisms such as parallel consent. A simple majority vote isn't enough in this country to achieve a democratic consensus. The majority of unionist MLAs have voted against gay marriage. They represent their constituents. If you have not the unionist vote (or part of it) on board, you do NOT have democracy in NI. The NI Act 1998 stipulates this very clearly.
Onto the last section. I did not contradict myself at all. It is possible to substantively amend the civil partnership legislation to give the same substantive legal rights as those afforded to those in marriage. You talk about 'equality'; this method would give gays marriage rights in all but name. This is very simple Séan and if you still fail to understand what I'm trying to say, you're not open to other ideas.
Total support for n. Ireland...no gay/lesbian marriage.
Thank god...
Yay look a dipshit
funthingstodo yay look someone lacking their depression on others
hatter00 Fuck you and your fake beliefs. Go to hell hatter.
brightEmnotz ## uhmm so what?? Well nobody asked nor wanted your opinion. You know this video is about same sex marriage that is not allowed in Northern Ireland and they want to allow that but yet you agree with them -_- even if I’m straight (just saying even if you’re not asking) how would you feel if your crush or if you have a crush and your parents don’t allow it and everyone doubts you. YOU LOVE THAT PERSON why would they care anyway?! It’s your life NOTHING BAD WILL AFFECT THEM IF YOU LOVE AND WANT TO MARRY WHO YOU LOVE if it’s true that that’s against God THEN LET THEM BE!! It’s their choice, if you want to be a sinner or not but how would they know that same sex love is God isnt ok with? That’s love don’t know it? Maybe you never felt loved so sorry for you so tell me. Why doesn’t God like same sex marriage? Because of what you hear from others? **sigh**
(by the way it's "God" not "god")
brightEmnotz ## god wasn’t crucified for no reason. He was a treasonous bastard. Stop hating your neighbour and worshipping your paedo
"Daniel does not look or sound like a religious fanatic. At university, he was friendly with gay students and says his family have homosexual acquaintances. ‘We have gay customers. We are happy to serve them,’ he says.
This week, the family made me very welcome, knowing I’m gay and in a civil partnership. ‘I have no problem in you coming into our home,’ Daniel told me. ‘We are just unwilling to endorse gay marriage."
Interview with Daniel McArthur by homosexual interviewer as regards the set-up inflicted upon his business,Asher's Bakery, and family by Gay Activist Gareth Lee.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698005/Half-baked-bigotry-These-family-bakers-persecuted-refusing-make-cake-celebrating-gay-marriage-Here-insist-s-bullies-intolerant-not-us
“I’m happy to take their money but I didn’t respect them as equals”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:24-27 (NKJV)
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Jude 1:7 (NKJV)
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
That's a religious argument, therefore invalid.
Now you cannot argue with scripture. This is on point !
You have to use evidence that everyone accepts as fact but as long as there is other views then that will always be one sided argument therefore invalid
hatter00 go to hell
hatter00 says the one who thinks homosexuality is ok. I feel sorry for you.
if the church dosnt agree there should be a name instead of mariage that allow people of the same sex to live together legally. they should be accepted as long term couples. there are a lot of couples who live together for years and when one dies the other isnt able to claim the others pension how unfair when they have given the same if not more time with their partners as married couples. how fair is that.why are we so narrow minded in n. ireland !!!
C'mon Northern Ireland do the right thing and let love win the day for once..
It's a shame seeing my family crest contained by the north.
sodom and gomorrah now !!! apocalypse time
Well fabulous, thank you for putting a negative shake-up on the equality debate. The perspective of this documentary is narrow minded, right up to the closing dialogue! It leaves me wondering, didn't you have the time to find a healthy contrast or cross section of views? Tut tut Mr Harvey...
S R Docherty Hi, thanks for watching. In what way did you think it was narrow minded? We'd be interested to know which views you felt weren't adequately represented, as we did our very best to hear from every side of the debate. Please let us know.
BBC Newsbeat Well lets see where to begin; the documentary begins with a voice over of negative dialogue which we hear again at 8.24 seeing then the people who have spoke the words. Mr Harvey walks among the other people at the rally but not once does he speak to ANY people at the Equality rally - just slightly illogical in my mind - I was attending the rally and I noticed another journalist specifically pick out of the crowd a man and woman with their two sons who walked 2 feet in front of me. He was curious to know why this rally was important to them. There were MANY people from all walks of life out on Saturday diverse in age, gender, sexuality etc. Why then does Mr Harvey not take the opportunity to engage the crowd. In fact he only uses the rally as back drop, in the closing scene we see him skirt the the edge of the crowd with folded arms. Not to mention his balcony antics, begging the question was Mr Harvey not comfortable, do large crowds intimidate him or is it simply the topic that makes him uncomfortable?
The composition of the piece has been thrown together like a big mac meal, boke, you use some beautiful camera shots but perhaps something went a miss - with substance - in the edit??
There is no promotion of positive thought, Mr Harvey doesn't play devils advocate with his questioning, poor Steve is left appearing a little silly regarding his voting loyalty verses his sexuality. However Peter Lynas walks away appearing like an educated, well balanced man [the 'good guy' audience applause please].
You haven't engaged the audience with openness, you haven't presented all variables in this debate, you reinforce repressed negativity, this is archaic journalism in action. Tut tut Mr Harvey
The BBC seems to think that the Roman Catholic Church does not exist in Northern Ireland.The BBC's sectarian bigotry seeks to divide along sectarian lines and make this a sectarian political issue.
The Roman Catholic Church is totally in agreement with the Evangelical Alliance on the issue of conserving the integrity of the definition of marriage.Why does the BBC ignore this?
TheEaglestar1 Anti Catholicism of Ulster Presbyterians will be the undoing of NI.
Thats true. But its also true that the vote in the Republic seems to have affected NI Catholic opinion, which is now two thirds in favour of marriage equality. Its much closer among Protestants maybe 48 for 44 against.
They have a gay prime minister now!
If there was a United Ireland this wouldn't ever be a problem
Ron bat What? The six counties are in the UK, but the bigoted unionists only want to be connected to England when it suits them
Ron bat And we have another direct rule situation? No thank you.
I wish this wasn't so Belfast centric
+Jim Keddy
Are you even religious? Do you know about your own faith? The God in the OT is complete different from the God we find in the NT. Jesus taught love and acceptance and the NT makes absolutely no reference to same sex couples being abominable. In the OT where same sex couples are referenced it's because it was the man's job to "go forth and multiply" so same sex relations were seen as a waste of sperm basically.
Non-religious people should not have to live under religious laws and same sex marriage has now passed in the ROI and in the USA and I have not seen your God make ANY objections. The majority of people of Northern Ireland want same sex marriage but the DUP say they will never let it pass. It is only a matter of time before Britain step in, take over, and pass marriage equality law and abolish the anti-abortion law.
If you want to be with the union then be a part of it and accept same sex marriage. And always remember Jimmy, if you don't agree with same sex marriage then by all means don't marry a man. And if you don't believe in abortion then don't have an abortion.
Good day!
The Northern Irish accent is the closest British accent to American , they sound really similar to American
The Northern Irish accent is not a British accent because Northern Ireland is not on the island of Britain. It is an Ulster accent. Too, some people in county Tyrone speak with a southern accent; people in county Donegal speak with what seems like a Northern irish accent. They are Ulster accents. Not British.
It is a British accent I know that for a fact
Rebecca Allan Speak to any English person and they'll say you have an Irish accent. You're not on the island of Britain- you're on the island of Ireland. THAT is fact :)
Y'all used to be vikings.. now this butterfly shit.
You're right about most things but it doesn't take days for the bonfires to burn out, by the next day they're all burnt away (it's fun whilst it lasts though)
It's finally changing
unionists remind me a lot of israeli settlers or ultra right wing americans. Their mentality, mannerisms and point of view of the world.
It's odd that nationalists are so pro lgbt but yet religiously catholic at the same time; maybe it's more to do with loyalty to Ireland? Then again Catholics tend to be very liberal on certain things
The orange order is not the british unionist most taigs and prod hate them.
I am catholic and I think gays are alright
Simple, because they are mostly religious.
Oppose the trojan horse of equality.
+Tyler Quandt best of luck and I hope you use your gift to help the people of the world.
Me Westin my time to watch people that are not in control of themselves 😢
while i think this is a good and fair documentary on same sex marriage in NI, it kind of ticked me off that people, and even the presenter, refer to LGBTQIA+ people as "gay people" or "the gays". it's called that for a reason, and leaving it as "gay marriage" erases the identities of bi, pan, ace, poly etc people and makes it a whole "gay or straight" sort of thing. you can say "same sex marriage" or "equality for queer people" as a sort of umbrella term for anyone who isn't cisgendered and heterosexual.
I disagree. I think the whole LGBT thing sounds completely impersonal and clumsy and so many letters are being added to it, we'll have the whole alphabet soon! We need to either just use "gay" as a catch all term or find some other word for it in my opinion. In a way, we are trying to market the movement and nobody would name a company or other campaign group with a random jumble of letters like that haha!
What the hell is 'LGBTQIA'??
***** i'm surprised that you don't know how to google
Alexander Anderson
...so sorry, had wished to of seen a Foreign Place - but after watching *This Video* is both Disturbing / Eye Opening.
Look if these people want to live a sordid lifestyle that their choice, but please do not expect normal decent moral people to have to approve of what has been accepted by mankind since he set foot on the planet as unnaturally sordid. .
Homosexuality and bisexuality is normal in over a thousand species. You nice heteros start holy wars over your morals
I don't understand why people are against its not there lives to be telling people what they can and can't do. Let people be happy for F##k sake. I'm straight but I Don't have people telling me what I can and can't do. 🌈🌈
people gts slated for having a opinion