Remember the jet fighter that went missing in the desert in the 1950’s? The pilot swore he crashed it in the desert and walked to safety. Our government never believed him because the wreckage could never be found. The Air Force thought he had landed the jet and sold it to the Russians so they dishonorably discharged him and the pilot died trying to clear his name. A couple years ago a couple hikers stumbled onto the wreckage. My point is that the desert is vast and mysteriously hides things. This ship could surely be out there.
If it isn’t the ship then there’s definitely something else out there waiting to be found, they still find ancient cities buried in the sand that are over a thousand years old so
@@shipsandsymbols yeah I’ve read about them but never seen any pics. If you’ve seen them then you must have pics, right? Lemme guess… Batteries were dead, broke your camera, dog ate your homework. 😂
This incident is interesting, involving Lt. David Steeves. He walked out 52 days later, after being declared dead! His ankles were hurt when he punched out. Steeves crawled 20 miles in 15 days until he found a Forest Service cabin with some supplies and fishing line. He lived off fish and some canned food while he recovered, plus shot a deer. He then walked until he found a horse riding tour group. He was a national hero until the media started spreading baseless rumours he'd sold his plane (the wreckage was never found) to Russia and had it shipped to Mexico in parts or somehow flew it to Russia. The USAF did not believe he did this as his T-33 trainer jet was so basic it would be of no use to the Soviets. But they did accuse him of some unspecified "hoax". However, he was not dishonourably discharged. Instead Steeves resigned his commission as his reputation had been unfairly tarnished. He became a civilian test pilot and died in a crash in 1965. Some Boy Scouts found his plane's canopy in 1977 but the crash site itself is still unknown.
I live in the Joshua Tree area of the California desert and have for majority of my life. My mom and I have found seashells in our backyard. I’ve had other people tell me they’ve found some as well in the area. I think it’s quite possible the desert was an ocean once upon a time!
Born and raised in So Cal, I have camped in the Mojave many times. On one occasion, I stepped into some quicksand. In the middle of the desert, I was sinking in quicksand. I threw my rifle to my brother, and I crawled my way out. I was lucky, because I escaped. Yes, quicksand happens in the middle of the desert.
Somewhat of the same story here. When I was young, my dad took us kids gold mining (no shitting you) somewhere in the Cajon Pass. While walking along this dirt trail in the San Andreas Mountains my brother was leading the trail when he took a step down on the path when just suddenly he ended up knee deep in quick sand. Dad thought he was doing his usual little bro behavior. He had/has this trait of hilariously overtly dramatizing the most mundane of things. My dad realized this was a very serious situation that he wasn't joking about this time when by the time he caught up to him, my brother had sunk in to his thighs. Thank god my dad was able to pluck him out, which only happened after several very forceful and hard yanks before he was pulled free. Little brother ended up walking back barefoot since the quicksand claimed his shoes that day, and thankfully not his life. We never got to go mining in that area after that scary ordeal. To think also this happened in the days before cell phones and I believe even before those call boxes were installed along CA freeways.
And all through this tale, nobody mentions the fact that the ship's Captain's log is on display at a museum in Los Angeles. The captain reported what had happened (an earthquake) and the subsidence of the water. They'd waited for the tide to come back, but after a few days the crew decided to go to Pueblo de Los Angeles. A friend of mine told me about having seen the log. I bet the captain took a position before they left the ship and the government knows exactly where it is. Many people have reported seeing it over the decades, but it gets covered in shifting sand dunes for months or years, so remains "lost" until it's uncovered again.
Thank you so much for the info, up to now I couldn't even begin to believe the story as it was told by Charlie and the other narrators...( Bunch of FUCKING IDIOTS) but your mention of the captain's log being in a museum and your explanation of the earthquake is far more credible than the entire 50 minute waste of time video.
If you're talking about a Spanish-era ship as the legend goes, LA did not exist. Capt Iturbi is one captain mentioned but his log indicates he did NOT sail up a water channel to the then Lake Cahuilla and what left of accounts of his voyages are in the Spanish archives. You must be referring to a more modern ship as there are no spanish-era ship logs exhibited anywhere in Calif that I'm aware of.
I live in the desert, actually in the town of Mojave, and I've found several seashells and shark teeth out here in the antelope valley which is just north of where the supposed ship is. So I know ocean waters filled this area at some point.
i am 68 and I will tell you ,even though this is probably BS, there are things that have happened and are happening now that we will never understand and cannot imagine. Things that will be never figured out no matter how much we try.
Prime example is the death valley race track. While there's a good idea what's happening no one has seen it to document it. I do believe there is something out therein the desert like a ship (not saying it is a ship) cause I've heard stories about it since I was a kid going to the desert here in Southern ca.
I have seen ships in sand dunes on the coast. Only to be covered up by the next day. I have also heard of this particular ship between Sea of Cortez and the Salton Sea, that is now seen in the sand dunes when the winds uncover it.
Seeing a ship in coastal sand dunes is a bit different than seeing one 200+ miles inland in the sand dunes. But where I think you're going sand moves and it moves fast. One storm In the case of the ocean or good wind storm for the desert its amazing what gets dug up or buried
I think somebody was exaggerating about the size of the ship. It's been many years. The one I saw wasn't more than 55 or 60 feet at the most, actually a tight little 3-master. She had a few of the old-fashioned ballast stones remaining down below decks. What was left of the sails , rigging and anchor rode (line) were only threadbare rags. The mahogany and teak were still good, but they had been sandblasted and bleached by the desert wind and sun. The pine masts and spars were cracked to flinders, dried, twisted and bowed from many decades in the wind without stays. The anchor remained stowed on deck, which could be why the danmed thing keeps moving around. I had 2 witnesses from that first trip, but when I back, only one of them could be found to come along. We found it that time, but I never went back. One of them died not long after that. I haven't been able to find his diary or the ship's log that he brought home from the second trip. But I have a good map for sale ... if anybody's interested. The only thing I really have is the dried out dead parrot, recovered from the first expedition, that I had stuffed. The story of that bird is still told, though not often to outsiders. I was given to understand he was a profane old bird, liable as not to take off a finger or the top of one's ear with his crook'd beak. An old African Grey, scruffy as can be and just as mean as HeII. That was many years ago. We were young then, full of piss and vinegar. We always expected to go back again, but life moves on. Now, I'm the only one left, and I'm too old to even consider making the trip again. But I don't need to; the images are seared into my memory as clearly as if they were yesterday. Just stop at the Prospect Bar, and ask the oldest coot in the place, for the Mad Irishman. He should still be alive, and if he is, he'll tell you where to find me.
It is a historical fact that the Spanish had a failed expedition at the same time as Coronado(16th Century). The Ship reached maybe as far as Parker Arizona and then went West towards what is now the Coachella Valley. The archives in Mexico City say that the ship 'ran aground' and the sailors walked back to Mexico. The Mojave Indians have shared this Oral History for quite some time.
*Yes he did. He saw every blade of grass in the field, and every single leaf on the tree as it waved in the breeze. He wrapped his mind around his natural surroundings and he felt like ONE with God and nature. He knew Truth, He walked with Wisdom, discussing Knowledge with both; when his trip was done he was holding the Metaphoric hand of Understanding. From that day forward, his life turned out to be a search and seek adventure, in his lone wanderings, having a great revelation to reveal the moral to this story ... Never try Peyote, for whatever it is that you are looking for, the only thing you will find is that somewhere in that vast landscape, you simply lost your mind!!!* ☺
Ironically, miners didn't get rich in California. The ones that got rich were shop keepers and anyone selling goods to them - you could get rich selling eggs to the miners.
Plenty of miners got rich in california. Plenty didn't. 750,000 plus lbs. of gold didn't get pulled out of the ground without ALOT of miners getting filthy rich. Research your history. What a weird, unfounded statement to make.
@@travishinshaw7404 Try naming a single placer miner that got rich mining gold. Studebaker got rich selling them wheelbarrows, Levi sold them pants. At "Pinch'em Tight" the miners bought eggs for a pinch of gold dust for each egg. The name comes from enjoing the store owner to take tight pinches of gold dust. Even when hard rock mining takes off, consortiums funding the mine, not miners, got rich.
@@travishinshaw7404 I have no stance on whether miners did or did not get rich, however it is theoretically possible that 750,000 lbs of gold was mined by enough people that each person did not make all that much money. Then there is the tendency for these types of booms to create a lot of gambling and other sorts of waste to where people would lose their wealth as soon as they were making it etc.
a rather fascinating video... yet crucially omitting any mention or disclaimer of the fact that every aspect, every facet, either in its then initial reaction or in our present looking back, all turns upon the single premise that Charley Clusker had properly interpreted the old indian tale. A tale, I may be wrong and this is just a conscientious stab, a tale I feel to be much older. During the last Ice Age glacial depth was 2-4km (1.9-2.5mi) thick. That is a lot of ice that needs to drain off the continential shelf. Often as this happens, runoff floods and inundates river systems forming new and temporary rivers, lakes, etc. Often as the ice melts, not all at once of course, glaciers fracture and icebergs block estuaries, damming up rivers, lakes form behind, until the icebergs blocking exit melt or fracture under building pressure, a vast flood ensues, a lake disappears. even as I heard the indian tale the white eagle that flowed down then stopped, wasnt a european ship, but one of the many icebergs that flooded one of the ancient rivers in a much older America. This may not be what the tale was about yet what I have described has happened again and again in nearly every single flood plain as the last Ice Age receded. This is a highly documented and well proven geological occurance
LONG BEFORE i saw anything about the legend i had a dream about a ship in the calif desert but i will tell you its a GALLIEON ship like a spanish or french one --this is weird because as a kid i once lived in san bernadino as charlie reads the newspaper from san bernadino -upon seeing some of this show i feel the area is exactly the same what i saw also was in the middle of the road yes it was sitting on aspahlt road like a mirage and a compelling note -in my dream i was trying to get back to los angeles ..never been there in my life and 12 years later i still remember dream vividly ..im freakin out cuz this is uncanny never heard of charlie till now
There is alot of ships out there in the southern desert and in the mountains of julia ca . There was a great movement of earth that caused the colorada and the salton sea to break free from the ocean and at the time there were vast amounts of ships collect there dues for a war between several countrys including spain over this here new world . When the waters stopped feeding from each other the water receded fast land docking the ships ladened in treasures even of the biblical proportions. There is a ship of these days rumored to be in the mountains of julia ca full of treasure from this same movement of earth . It was found and that night there was a earthquake and it was lost again .. thats why there are sooo many government and military facility in the area . Theres one on the back roads thru glamis to brawley that is definitely a mystery that we will never know about . U can even stop on that side of road signs say penalty is death ...
legend says it was gathering pearls from tribes along the Sea of Cortez..as for other valuables aboard mere wishing. Iturbe's alleged ship has been seen and lost several times, and there are several stories about it having been looted. A mule driver traveling with the de Anza expeditions through Alta California was said to have removed the pearls in 1774. Around 1917, an El Centro farmer named Jacobsen was said to have found a very small chest of jewels, which he quietly sold in Los Angeles, and to have used timber from the pearl ship to build his pig pens
Iturbi's ship never made it to Lake Cahuilla. We have Iturbi's log and he wasn't there. Iturbi's involvement in this story is based on a factional book that came out in 1933. He was a real pearler but never got close to Lake Cahuilla.
The Cahuilla tribe and other related tribes lived and many of them still live in the mountains along the west side of the Salton Sink. There is plenty of evidence that the sink has been connected to the Gulf of California a number of times in the past. Clusker was already in California when he met the tribe. They were not hostile, working for the Spanish and Mexican ranchers over the years. El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora de los Angeles was not even a town by present standards when Clusker was there the first time. However, the tale of the Spanish ship that had sailed into the upper reaches of the Gulf of California and been cut off by a storm, washing up sand banks, was common. There is one story that a member of the crew made it south to Spanish settlements in Mexico, carrying the ship's log with him and it is in the archives in Spain. It is probably out there under the sand dunes on the east side.
Modern technology should be able to detect it these days. Actually they found it years ago. How do you think all those Indians were able to get the successful casinos going!!!???!!!
I lived in Lake Havasu City, AZ, one of the hottest cities in the Mohave Desert. The temperatures during the summers was 115 to 117 everyday. Sometimes during the second half of June, the hottest temperatures occur. That when the temperatures reach 120 to 128, but not every year does that happen. Of course, during the time I lived in the Mohave Desert, the newspapers reported the death of individuals, who drove out of the city; and were found dead from the heat. They would fall asleep under trees or were walking about without water, sightseeing. The irony of the hot desert surrounding Lake Havasu City is the fact that the water in the middle of the lake was so cold (about 42 degrees) that swimming for more then a few minutes was difficult. Some people would jump into the water and get out as soon as possible. What a contrast in temperatures. You could either die from over-heating on land or from the cold water dropping your body temperature with the coldness of the water.
hope this helps, a book on California shipwrecks lists the remains of 2 ships in the dessert. one was owned by the federal government and was supposed to chart the Colorado river. it was abandoned due to poor performance, broke free of its moorings and drifted to the delta. a survey team stumbled across it in the 1930s. the other was a passenger ferry built in LosAngeles. the owners tried to transport it overland to the Colorado, but it bogged down in the sand and was also abandoned.
The ship supposedly found in 1933 was found in some canyons far west of where that pearl ship was reportedly located. There was a couple who were exploring some canyons and saw a ship with shields on its sides, but they couldn't reach it. Soon after they went home, there was a large earthquake. When they returned with others, they could no longer find it.
@Dezert Magazine..thanks for this. I lived in the upper Mojave for over 10 yrs....had five acres out there..a TRUE tiny town. The hottest day I remember was 118 in the shade, but there is Truth to the " dry heat " thing. I can take 110 at 6 percent humidity better than 80at 56 percent humidity. The desert WILL kill you for a single error...especially water. You can DIE in less than five hours without water..IF you are moving. BEEN THERE ...almost DIED. Now...in Forest desert< drought >..I do not cross the road without water. It's a Beautiful, mysterious place...Very near my house was what we called " the dry lake "..usually a huge wet spot...but it ATE a city slickers jeep once..couple motorbikes..I NEVER ever went too close. Good show
great salt lake southern shoreline we encountered same quicksand. and the atv jiggled funny and started to sink ..usually we had enough momentum to u turn it and get back to land. i think that some guys who left work without telling anyone and had no known ( to the company)relatives actually are down in the quicksand.which moves around and hardens.
I found this Ship on google earth in 2009 , when i found it the date was at the modern day since then they have added sevral new images so now you have to back up date to see it at the bottom of Calico mountain
Are we to believe that a ship, loaded with jewels and gold, got stuck in a lake at low tide and the pirates just walked away? I think I'd hauled it off and buried it somewhere else. Just doesn't make sense to me. But, great video and thanks for posting.
I believe Charlie saw the ship and when he finally got some more funding he was more relaxed and not in such a hurry.He also enjoyed looking around for more gold and why not.Charlie was in no hurry.He found the ship.Mission complete.
Btw, I just recently published a new website with all the info I could find on the Lost Ship, along with some of my own stories. The site is www.lostshipofthedesert.com, and later today I will be adding the article about the Come-From-Afar-Men of Tiburon Island. Legend has it they were Vikings.... Enjoy!
You would think it would be in the most eastern part of the lake where it would meet the river entrance. I bet the river was still there, but the ship ran a ground trying to connect to it. Edit: I just looked at google map at you can see where the two channel rivers split a log time ago at Tortuga. If you use the "Layers" option and pick Terrain I saw the only embankment there along the lefts side of Ted Kipf Rd/Niland-Glamis rd. I would drive along that rode and look fo the spot that is the highest and look there first. Anyone else down for a road trip??? lol
Sad to say but this part of Southern California is so populated and explored that if this ship was anywhere within reach of people it would have been found by now. Likely if it exists its probably below the current Salton Sea level or it was found, plundered and burned and destroyed long ago by its finders to keep the source of their plunder secret.
I was to the Salton Sea this spring, I'd describe the lower reaches as still pretty desolate. They find all kinds of things right under busy city streets.. as long as it's covered by soil it's in a time capsule of it's own. Above ground? I'd agree with you completely.
@@RaidenWard depends on where you are. Here in the US, if you find something valuable the gov't takes it away from you, so people keep finds secret. Can you blame them? In England they have a 'treasure trove' law where the finder gets to keep something like 70% of the find, I think. So there finds are reported and the archaeologists get to recover and document them, museums get to bid on the artifacts found, and the finder gets to keep the lion's share of the auction proceeds.. That's a much more civilized system than ours.
Today I watched an episode of the old 'Death Valley Days'. It was called 'The Ship of No Return'. It was about a guy that way shanghied on a pearl ship. After a storm they found the ship was now in a lake with land all around. The guy that was shanghied got out with a few friends. The show did not give any details and probably was just a fake story.
Part of the story is that one of the members of the crew managed to get back to Mexico and took the log book with him. It is supposed to still be in the archives of the Spanish government in Madrid.
Satilite came out in 1958 with 1 satilite in 1961 they add 115 more so having 3 images in time last one i put at 1961 so i found out that Calico Ghost Town till 1966 was owned from 1950's by Walter Knott after that Knott moved and opened Knott's Berry Farm and spent a lot of money so i started checking and found a little peace of info about Aug. 1964 that Ship was found in Desert
The Indian tale of a bird flying down with white wings and evaporating the water sounds more like a comet or something of the like to me than a ship. JS
I live in the Mojave and old timer told me he had seen the ship when he was wondering around in the wilderness, He drove home to get some tools, but couldn't find the location again There are no sign posts in the desert and its really hard to find things, but he still keeps looking in the general area
I remember a story of a man who had grown up on ships in the 1800s and upon retiring decided to go west. While crossing the desert he lost his horses, don't remember why. So he used his sailing skills to construct a mast and sail and was able to make it to civilization. Many people reported seeing a sailing ship crossing the desert at a distance. Who knows.
I heard a story about a second desert ship. It was during the Arizona gold rush to La Paz. A schooner was built in San Francisco, sailed to San Pedro, pulled out of the water and wheels mounted on it. The plan was to haul it overland to the port at Yuma. On the way it became hopelessly bogged down in the desert sand and was abandoned. Since this story made the rounds in the newspapers a few years before Charlie's expeditions, some said this was the ship Charlie found. As I recall this one was less than 100 ft. long. Charlie said his ship was 200 ft. It would be interesting to ask your friend how long the ship he saw was.
Not that story is real Lucky. There were three shipbuilding companies who built ships and attempted to deliver them to the Colorado river by hauling them across the desert. We know that at least one of them bogged down and that it could be responsible for some lost ship sightings. @@LuckyBaldwin777
There’s some great legends of the Mojave desert! Hav Mosuv. Or the Silver Disk people who flew them in the Panamint mountains! Probably ancient mariners who plundered Egypt and hid their stuff in the Grand Canyon! Confiscated by the Smithsonian!
I know it’s been 2 years but by chance would you have any good links to some more info on that I’ve always been interested in the hidden Egyptian artifact caves in the Grand Canyon , thanks !
The Mojave was under the ocean 245 million years ago. Homo erectus first walked the earth 1.9 million years ago. The oldest discovered sea faring hulled boat is the Late Bronze Age Uluburun shipwreck off the coast of Turkey, dating back to 1300 BC. Tall tales, oral and written, and one of America's oldest and most popular narrative forms, flourished in the nineteenth century, especially on the frontier. A combination of reality and fantasy, usually told in the first person as a true story and frequently disguised as a personal narrative or anecdote, the tall tale typically depends on the storyteller assuming a straight-faced pose, purporting to be relating fact but enlarging the plot with fictive and outlandish details, which cumulatively create an incredible and fanciful yarn.
Charley was behaving very strangely, especially on his 3rd trip, after supposedly seeing the ship on his 2nd trip. With all those supplies, he should have retraced the 2nd route and been able to reach it. Unless he was looking at rock samples, he clearly wasn't looking for gold either. And that was not mentioned by the newspaper reporter. Maybe Charley was just suffering from a bad sense of direction?
It wasn't the prospectors that made their fortune during the gold rush, it was the merchants. They supplied miners and prospectors with food, equipment, and comfort at a premium price, preferably measured in gold. The next to get rich were the prostitutes and bankers, though one might argue then as now, they are one in the same. Conrad Hilton learned this lesson and started a hospitality empire during the Texas oil boom in 1919. He saw that the real wealth to be made was in gouging productive people, kind of like how we do taxes today. He hot bunked roughnecks in his hotel, sleeping them in shifts, and that was how Hilton Hotels started. Poor Charley Clusker. He should have opened a saloon/brothel at Sutter's mill. At least then he could have gotten laid regularly, which is saying a lot at a place and time during which there were 100 men to every woman, not counting Indians and Chinese of course. Just saying that was a taboo thing back then.
This story, and many more like it, can be read about in the books of W.C.Jameson... they are his "Lost treasures" series.... Really good....Highly recommended if you like TRUE stories about lost gold mines etc...
Jameson's books are just a repeat of stories. The original lost ship stories are found in the books and oral statements of Harold Weight, O. J. Fisk, Chief Cabezon, Phillip Bailey, and others. These stories pre-date Jameson by 80 years or more.
I found something VERY interesting on google earth using the terain layer instead of satellite. It's hard to explain this phenomenon. I wanna screen shot it and show someone interested in this shipwreck. I found an ancient reef I think and using satellite it's just sand......but if you change the view to Terrain, you can see the terrain better, and there's this mile long perfect straight line. That's unexplainable. It literally looks like a ship ran across it and left a mark. If anyone is interested I would like to show someone what they think.
this was very entertaining! some of the people commenting have to remember - that was 150 years ago. there was not the type of economy and lifestyle that most of us enjoy in our slothful over-pampered way. Clusker should be commended for having determination and fortitude, at least! I felt sad hearing the horse bellow in fear when it was sinking to its death. :(
Charley made it to the ship without water yet was able to turn around and make it back without water? How does that work? The water fairy doesn't come down when you choose to turn back.
Thanks for posting the story it was very well done and who knows with the shifting of sand and time there could be a ship or more than one ship as the earth has reclame many cites in all parts of the world. And maps found that puzzle even the most harden debunker from the past. If one never ask or never looks then one will never find the answer's
If this is there to be found it will most likely be found from aerial based ground penetrating radar as it evolves. Magnetometers in the sky are resolving (improving) their resolution, but it's a game for deep pockets, not guys with shovels. Also there should be a grid search made via IR. Metal, even under the ground several inches heats up during the day and irradiates a signature as night falls.
I found the ship, but I am holding out for a Lost Ship Series on the History Channel. However, for a small fee, I will guide a select number of you to the ship site. CAsh only, please.
If he was near death, having had no water for days when he saw the ship, how did he survive making it back to water? He would have had to travel at least more days without water. Something doesn't add up.
Bob Bob Bob, you should know that there was several water holes spread out through the Coachella Valley back then. Including the hand dug one called Indian Well which is where that city got it's name. Say Bob, do you remember that time at your golf classic in Bermuda Dunes CC and you where riding around in a golf cart with Henry Kissinger? I shook your hand for some reason. Anyway just wanted to let ya know if i knew then what i know today about him,,,And you to,,, lets just say millennial would of never had to see his hook nosed face.... Maybe i would of taken you fellas for a ride into the desert , idk...
This is pretty hard to believe as the oceans were a lot lower in the 1800's which according to the Curse of Oak Island the oceanic levels being roughly fifty five feet lower back in the days of the Knight's Templars. According to Wikipedia the Mojave area is between 235- 2000 ft above sea level, today. Now, the Sultan Sea of lower CA was once covered in water and a ship has been buried over time as many have actually seen exposed wreckage of a ship in that area. I think the stories are crossed between two area's. As the video says it was open to Colorado flood water around 765 AD not 1600-1700. Though, it is quite possible the Egyptians sailed up, then hiked to Marble Canyon, Grand Canyon.
The man says that the daytime temps can be in the 120 to 125 F, and that's in the shade. Here we say " there's no shade", not anywhere that gets to 120+ anyhow. Temps above 110 do feel a bit hot. On days above 104, I make sure I keep shade over my tools so I can stand to handle them. I work as a field mechanic on heavy equipment which means I fix them where they break.
There's no legend of any lost ship in the Mojave Desert. And Charley didn't look for it in the Mojave. He was looking in the Colorado Desert, which is where, of course, all the legends of lost ships can be found. Nobody's going to find any lost ships if they're looking in the wrong desert!
I know where the ship is! It's right next to Black Rock Candy Mountain! Oh the buzzin' of the bees In the cigarette trees Near the soda water fountain At the lemonade springs Where the bluebird sings On the big rock candy mountain 2. There's a lake of gin We can both jump in And the handouts grow on bushes In the new-mown hay We can sleep all day And the bars all have free lunches Where the mail train stops etc.
From my understanding the Cahuilla are only located in Southern CA. So at 6:50, it say's he puts the story in the back of his mind and heads to California. How can he meet the Cahuilla who are native to California, learn the story, and not actually be in California? This seems odd to me.
You have to understand that this show was for entertainment purposes, so sometimes things change specifically for entertainment. Here is a link to a presentation I did at the Mousley Museum in Yucaipa exploring the possibility of the Lost Ship of the Viking... czcams.com/video/I7PR5PE3SEI/video.html
The Mojave is the high desert, at least 1000 m elevation, north and east of Los Angeles: think Lancaster, 29 Palms, Las Vegas. The Cahuilla lived in the Sonoran Desert near Palm Springs and what is now the Salton Sea, where the elevation is below sea level. Good luck getting a ship up to Joshua Tree.
Here is the problem. There were multiple stories of what was on the ship. Generally, few knew the specifics of such a cargo. I am guessing it had already been looted by the crew. If anyone could get the manifest from that ship, I am sure that some of the crew had spent quite an unusual amount of money in the years following, before their deaths
Desert has many illusions,some we know might some not,shifting sand can add up around leaf less tree can look a poal of ship,especially in dehydration with compromised visions &other perceptions most likely story r legend will continue
Remember in fallout new Vegas when you started collecting bottles caps and you found special ones and then a guy came out of no where telling you the treasures hidden in the dessert if you found enough of them
Too far inland and those ancient shores too far in the past. Why take a different route when he "knew" where it was and had only been foiled by the lack of supplies? There may be no ship but it's a very fishy story.
The fact that Charley found sea shells in the desert is not at all surprising. The word "Coachella" in "Coachella Valley" is a bad transliteration of a Spanish word that means "little shells."
Should have placed this in quotes. It was written by Dante Aligeri in the first installment of "The Divine Comedy." "Dante's Inferno." Cato 4 I believe.
I have lived in the desert near the Salton sea for close to fifty years. I have traveled it extensively. Anyone who says that some of the landmarks had disappeared is a bold faced liar.
I forgot to mention that Lake Cahuilla last disappeared around 1580 and the Spanish didn’t first arrive to California till 1542 so, while plausible that a ship could have explored the Sea of Cortez to the Colorado River area, it seems to me that the likelihood of ships getting there in those 38 years, before it was completely dried up, would be somewhat limited at best. Someone wrote that they saw it on Google Earth at Calico Mountain but that would be something else since Calico Mountain is near Barstow, up in the Mojave, far away from Lake Cahuilla in the Colorado Desert.
Not true. There are around a dozen geological studies that examine the history of Lake Cahuilla and the consensus is that the most modern appearance of the great lake was around 1700, which certainly overlapped the European exploration period.
Remember the jet fighter that went missing in the desert in the 1950’s? The pilot swore he crashed it in the desert and walked to safety. Our government never believed him because the wreckage could never be found. The Air Force thought he had landed the jet and sold it to the Russians so they dishonorably discharged him and the pilot died trying to clear his name. A couple years ago a couple hikers stumbled onto the wreckage. My point is that the desert is vast and mysteriously hides things. This ship could surely be out there.
If it isn’t the ship then there’s definitely something else out there waiting to be found, they still find ancient cities buried in the sand that are over a thousand years old so
I found ships in the desert of utah
@@shipsandsymbols yeah I’ve read about them but never seen any pics. If you’ve seen them then you must have pics, right? Lemme guess… Batteries were dead, broke your camera, dog ate your homework. 😂
@@u.s.militia7682 They do exist
This incident is interesting, involving Lt. David Steeves. He walked out 52 days later, after being declared dead! His ankles were hurt when he punched out. Steeves crawled 20 miles in 15 days until he found a Forest Service cabin with some supplies and fishing line. He lived off fish and some canned food while he recovered, plus shot a deer. He then walked until he found a horse riding tour group. He was a national hero until the media started spreading baseless rumours he'd sold his plane (the wreckage was never found) to Russia and had it shipped to Mexico in parts or somehow flew it to Russia. The USAF did not believe he did this as his T-33 trainer jet was so basic it would be of no use to the Soviets. But they did accuse him of some unspecified "hoax". However, he was not dishonourably discharged. Instead Steeves resigned his commission as his reputation had been unfairly tarnished. He became a civilian test pilot and died in a crash in 1965. Some Boy Scouts found his plane's canopy in 1977 but the crash site itself is still unknown.
I live in the Joshua Tree area of the California desert and have for majority of my life. My mom and I have found seashells in our backyard. I’ve had other people tell me they’ve found some as well in the area. I think it’s quite possible the desert was an ocean once upon a time!
Deep Time Maps show the mojave as beach property.
Ancient Lake Cahuilla. Google is your friend.
Born and raised in So Cal, I have camped in the Mojave many times. On one occasion, I stepped into some quicksand. In the middle of the desert, I was sinking in quicksand. I threw my rifle to my brother, and I crawled my way out. I was lucky, because I escaped. Yes, quicksand happens in the middle of the desert.
Somewhat of the same story here. When I was young, my dad took us kids gold mining (no shitting you) somewhere in the Cajon Pass. While walking along this dirt trail in the San Andreas Mountains my brother was leading the trail when he took a step down on the path when just suddenly he ended up knee deep in quick sand. Dad thought he was doing his usual little bro behavior. He had/has this trait of hilariously overtly dramatizing the most mundane of things. My dad realized this was a very serious situation that he wasn't joking about this time when by the time he caught up to him, my brother had sunk in to his thighs. Thank god my dad was able to pluck him out, which only happened after several very forceful and hard yanks before he was pulled free. Little brother ended up walking back barefoot since the quicksand claimed his shoes that day, and thankfully not his life. We never got to go mining in that area after that scary ordeal.
To think also this happened in the days before cell phones and I believe even before those call boxes were installed along CA freeways.
You would have to weigh more than sand to sink in sand. You dont.
@@mobregonjr You're right, look up dry quicksand though
Different kind of quicksand! Not a swamp kind of quick sand!
And all through this tale, nobody mentions the fact that the ship's Captain's log is on display at a museum in Los Angeles. The captain reported what had happened (an earthquake) and the subsidence of the water. They'd waited for the tide to come back, but after a few days the crew decided to go to Pueblo de Los Angeles. A friend of mine told me about having seen the log. I bet the captain took a position before they left the ship and the government knows exactly where it is. Many people have reported seeing it over the decades, but it gets covered in shifting sand dunes for months or years, so remains "lost" until it's uncovered again.
Thank you so much for the info, up to now I couldn't even begin to believe the story as it was told by Charlie and the other narrators...( Bunch of FUCKING IDIOTS) but your mention of the captain's log being in a museum and your explanation of the earthquake is far more credible than the entire 50 minute waste of time video.
What was the name of the ship?
If you're talking about a Spanish-era ship as the legend goes, LA did not exist. Capt Iturbi is one captain mentioned but his log indicates he did NOT sail up a water channel to the then Lake Cahuilla and what left of accounts of his voyages are in the Spanish archives. You must be referring to a more modern ship as there are no spanish-era ship logs exhibited anywhere in Calif that I'm aware of.
I live in the desert, actually in the town of Mojave, and I've found several seashells and shark teeth out here in the antelope valley which is just north of where the supposed ship is. So I know ocean waters filled this area at some point.
I have found shells in Death Valley too.
I have actually found them at the highest point in wv, senica rock.
Oh my gosh!! I just left a comment about the same thing, I’m in the Joshua Tree area!
i am 68 and I will tell you ,even though this is probably BS, there are things that have happened and are happening now that we will never understand and cannot imagine. Things that will be never figured out no matter how much we try.
Prime example is the death valley race track. While there's a good idea what's happening no one has seen it to document it. I do believe there is something out therein the desert like a ship (not saying it is a ship) cause I've heard stories about it since I was a kid going to the desert here in Southern ca.
I have seen ships in sand dunes on the coast. Only to be covered up by the next day. I have also heard of this particular ship between Sea of Cortez and the Salton Sea, that is now seen in the sand dunes when the winds uncover it.
Seeing a ship in coastal sand dunes is a bit different than seeing one 200+ miles inland in the sand dunes. But where I think you're going sand moves and it moves fast. One storm In the case of the ocean or good wind storm for the desert its amazing what gets dug up or buried
The ship does exist but because of the deserts behavior via sand build up it is going to get covered up and uncovered from time to time...
I think somebody was exaggerating about the size of the ship. It's been many years. The one I saw wasn't more than 55 or 60 feet at the most, actually a tight little 3-master. She had a few of the old-fashioned ballast stones remaining down below decks. What was left of the sails , rigging and anchor rode (line) were only threadbare rags. The mahogany and teak were still good, but they had been sandblasted and bleached by the desert wind and sun. The pine masts and spars were cracked to flinders, dried, twisted and bowed from many decades in the wind without stays. The anchor remained stowed on deck, which could be why the danmed thing keeps moving around. I had 2 witnesses from that first trip, but when I back, only one of them could be found to come along. We found it that time, but I never went back. One of them died not long after that. I haven't been able to find his diary or the ship's log that he brought home from the second trip. But I have a good map for sale ... if anybody's interested. The only thing I really have is the dried out dead parrot, recovered from the first expedition, that I had stuffed. The story of that bird is still told, though not often to outsiders. I was given to understand he was a profane old bird, liable as not to take off a finger or the top of one's ear with his crook'd beak. An old African Grey, scruffy as can be and just as mean as HeII.
That was many years ago. We were young then, full of piss and vinegar. We always expected to go back again, but life moves on. Now, I'm the only one left, and I'm too old to even consider making the trip again. But I don't need to; the images are seared into my memory as clearly as if they were yesterday.
Just stop at the Prospect Bar, and ask the oldest coot in the place, for the Mad Irishman. He should still be alive, and if he is, he'll tell you where to find me.
It is a historical fact that the Spanish had a failed expedition at the same time as Coronado(16th Century). The Ship reached maybe as far as Parker Arizona and then went West towards what is now the Coachella Valley. The archives in Mexico City say that the ship 'ran aground' and the sailors walked back to Mexico. The Mojave Indians have shared this Oral History for quite some time.
I happen to live in the coachella valley. I wonder why no one has found it!
I heard this story when I was a kid in the 70’s.
Peyote is a fantastic plant. Charlie clearly discovered it.
*Yes he did. He saw every blade of grass in the field, and every single leaf on the tree as it waved in the breeze. He wrapped his mind around his natural surroundings and he felt like ONE with God and nature. He knew Truth, He walked with Wisdom, discussing Knowledge with both; when his trip was done he was holding the Metaphoric hand of Understanding. From that day forward, his life turned out to be a search and seek adventure, in his lone wanderings, having a great revelation to reveal the moral to this story ... Never try Peyote, for whatever it is that you are looking for, the only thing you will find is that somewhere in that vast landscape, you simply lost your mind!!!* ☺
Ironically, miners didn't get rich in California. The ones that got rich were shop keepers and anyone selling goods to them - you could get rich selling eggs to the miners.
Plenty of miners got rich in california. Plenty didn't. 750,000 plus lbs. of gold didn't get pulled out of the ground without ALOT of miners getting filthy rich. Research your history. What a weird, unfounded statement to make.
@@travishinshaw7404 Try naming a single placer miner that got rich mining gold. Studebaker got rich selling them wheelbarrows, Levi sold them pants. At "Pinch'em Tight" the miners bought eggs for a pinch of gold dust for each egg. The name comes from enjoing the store owner to take tight pinches of gold dust. Even when hard rock mining takes off, consortiums funding the mine, not miners, got rich.
@@travishinshaw7404 I have no stance on whether miners did or did not get rich, however it is theoretically possible that 750,000 lbs of gold was mined by enough people that each person did not make all that much money. Then there is the tendency for these types of booms to create a lot of gambling and other sorts of waste to where people would lose their wealth as soon as they were making it etc.
I gave my eggs to a miner wife.
Wrong. Not saying shopkeepers didn't get rich, but lots of people got rich by mining. Lots didn't.
I like the Historians that gather the info for these docs. Great stuff.
a rather fascinating video... yet crucially omitting any mention or disclaimer of the fact that every aspect, every facet, either in its then initial reaction or in our present looking back, all turns upon the single premise that Charley Clusker had properly interpreted the old indian tale. A tale, I may be wrong and this is just a conscientious stab, a tale I feel to be much older. During the last Ice Age glacial depth was 2-4km (1.9-2.5mi) thick. That is a lot of ice that needs to drain off the continential shelf. Often as this happens, runoff floods and inundates river systems forming new and temporary rivers, lakes, etc. Often as the ice melts, not all at once of course, glaciers fracture and icebergs block estuaries, damming up rivers, lakes form behind, until the icebergs blocking exit melt or fracture under building pressure, a vast flood ensues, a lake disappears. even as I heard the indian tale the white eagle that flowed down then stopped, wasnt a european ship, but one of the many icebergs that flooded one of the ancient rivers in a much older America. This may not be what the tale was about yet what I have described has happened again and again in nearly every single flood plain as the last Ice Age receded. This is a highly documented and well proven geological occurance
LONG BEFORE i saw anything about the legend i had a dream about a ship in the calif desert but i will tell you its a GALLIEON ship like a spanish or french one --this is weird because as a kid i once lived in san bernadino as charlie reads the newspaper from san bernadino -upon seeing some of this show i feel the area is exactly the same what i saw also was in the middle of the road yes it was sitting on aspahlt road like a mirage and a compelling note -in my dream i was trying to get back to los angeles ..never been there in my life and 12 years later i still remember dream vividly ..im freakin out cuz this is uncanny never heard of charlie till now
There is alot of ships out there in the southern desert and in the mountains of julia ca . There was a great movement of earth that caused the colorada and the salton sea to break free from the ocean and at the time there were vast amounts of ships collect there dues for a war between several countrys including spain over this here new world . When the waters stopped feeding from each other the water receded fast land docking the ships ladened in treasures even of the biblical proportions. There is a ship of these days rumored to be in the mountains of julia ca full of treasure from this same movement of earth . It was found and that night there was a earthquake and it was lost again .. thats why there are sooo many government and military facility in the area . Theres one on the back roads thru glamis to brawley that is definitely a mystery that we will never know about . U can even stop on that side of road signs say penalty is death ...
legend says it was gathering pearls from tribes along the Sea of Cortez..as for other valuables aboard mere wishing. Iturbe's alleged ship has been seen and lost several times, and there are several stories about it having been looted. A mule driver traveling with the de Anza expeditions through Alta California was said to have removed the pearls in 1774. Around 1917, an El Centro farmer named Jacobsen was said to have found a very small chest of jewels, which he quietly sold in Los Angeles, and to have used timber from the pearl ship to build his pig pens
he used the cedar wood to build his closet in his house. I have seen the closet.
Iturbi's ship never made it to Lake Cahuilla. We have Iturbi's log and he wasn't there. Iturbi's involvement in this story is based on a factional book that came out in 1933. He was a real pearler but never got close to Lake Cahuilla.
if he had stuck to the route he'd taken the 2nd time, when he saw the ship, instead of taking another route, he might have found it
lol...it's all bullshit.
No its not
@@cheybotj3496 how do you know tho
The Cahuilla tribe and other related tribes lived and many of them still live in the mountains along the west side of the Salton Sink. There is plenty of evidence that the sink has been connected to the Gulf of California a number of times in the past. Clusker was already in California when he met the tribe. They were not hostile, working for the Spanish and Mexican ranchers over the years. El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora de los Angeles was not even a town by present standards when Clusker was there the first time. However, the tale of the Spanish ship that had sailed into the upper reaches of the Gulf of California and been cut off by a storm, washing up sand banks, was common. There is one story that a member of the crew made it south to Spanish settlements in Mexico, carrying the ship's log with him and it is in the archives in Spain. It is probably out there under the sand dunes on the east side.
Modern technology should be able to detect it these days. Actually they found it years ago. How do you think all those Indians were able to get the successful casinos going!!!???!!!
I lived in Lake Havasu City, AZ, one of the hottest cities in the Mohave Desert. The temperatures during the summers was 115 to 117 everyday. Sometimes during the second half of June, the hottest temperatures occur. That when the temperatures reach 120 to 128, but not every year does that happen. Of course, during the time I lived in the Mohave Desert, the newspapers reported the death of individuals, who drove out of the city; and were found dead from the heat. They would fall asleep under trees or were walking about without water, sightseeing. The irony of the hot desert surrounding Lake Havasu City is the fact that the water in the middle of the lake was so cold (about 42 degrees) that swimming for more then a few minutes was difficult. Some people would jump into the water and get out as soon as possible. What a contrast in temperatures. You could either die from over-heating on land or from the cold water dropping your body temperature with the coldness of the water.
"There's a sucker born every minute"........P.T Barnum
hope this helps, a book on California shipwrecks lists the remains of 2 ships in the dessert. one was owned by the federal government and was supposed to chart the Colorado river. it was abandoned due to poor performance, broke free of its moorings and drifted to the delta. a survey team stumbled across it in the 1930s. the other was a passenger ferry built in LosAngeles. the owners tried to transport it overland to the Colorado, but it bogged down in the sand and was also abandoned.
The ship supposedly found in 1933 was found in some canyons far west of where that pearl ship was reportedly located. There was a couple who were exploring some canyons and saw a ship with shields on its sides, but they couldn't reach it. Soon after they went home, there was a large earthquake. When they returned with others, they could no longer find it.
That was the Myrtle Botts story which just happen to coincide with the Long Beach Earthquake.
Interesting story. Charlie started looking for the ship in 1870 so how come he had a Colt Peacemaker 3 years too soon?
Cause this whole story is total Bull Shit, and Charlie is a dumb ass.
@Dezert Magazine..thanks for this. I lived in the upper Mojave for over 10 yrs....had five acres out there..a TRUE tiny town. The hottest day I remember was 118 in the shade, but there is Truth to the " dry heat " thing. I can take 110 at 6 percent humidity better than 80at 56 percent humidity.
The desert WILL kill you for a single error...especially water. You can DIE in less than five hours without water..IF you are moving. BEEN THERE ...almost DIED. Now...in Forest desert< drought >..I do not cross the road without water.
It's a Beautiful, mysterious place...Very near my house was what we called " the dry lake "..usually a huge wet spot...but it ATE a city slickers jeep once..couple motorbikes..I NEVER ever went too close.
Good show
great salt lake southern shoreline we encountered same quicksand. and the atv jiggled funny and started to sink ..usually we had enough momentum to u turn it and get back to land.
i think that some guys who left work without telling anyone and had no known ( to the company)relatives actually are down in the quicksand.which moves around and hardens.
The ship probably sunk in quick sand.
Back in the day people put clay on them while in the desert to protect them from the sun.
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I found this Ship on google earth in 2009 , when i found it the date was at the modern day since then they have added sevral new images so now you have to back up date to see it at the bottom of Calico mountain
send a link James Lindsay!!!
If you send me the ping my friend in the area can go check
1st of October best time to go out in the Mojave its beautiful that time of year seventies and eighties
The Sheeples Shepherd we started going out this week. Temperatures have finally dropped.
Hey DezertMag!!! I love this! Don't let the trolls get you down!
No need for trolls to let you down, the Truth will let you down with your childish B.S.
Are we to believe that a ship, loaded with jewels and gold, got stuck in a lake at low tide and the pirates just walked away? I think I'd hauled it off and buried it somewhere else. Just doesn't make sense to me. But, great video and thanks for posting.
I love out there. More than one story. More than one ship. Recorded in Spanish archives.
BS! No such documents!
The legend of the documentary purporting to be about something that ends up being about nothing!
I believe Charlie saw the ship and when he finally got some more funding he was more relaxed and not
in such a hurry.He also enjoyed looking around for more gold and why not.Charlie was in no hurry.He
found the ship.Mission complete.
It’s between the railroad tracks and the 15 freeway under the sand near baker ca.
wrong
He must of had an amazing horse. Believe in your dreams and follow them to your end.
Btw, I just recently published a new website with all the info I could find on the Lost Ship, along with some of my own stories. The site is www.lostshipofthedesert.com, and later today I will be adding the article about the Come-From-Afar-Men of Tiburon Island. Legend has it they were Vikings.... Enjoy!
You would think it would be in the most eastern part of the lake where it would meet the river entrance. I bet the river was still there, but the ship ran a ground trying to connect to it.
Edit: I just looked at google map at you can see where the two channel rivers split a log time ago at Tortuga. If you use the "Layers" option and pick Terrain I saw the only embankment there along the lefts side of Ted Kipf Rd/Niland-Glamis rd. I would drive along that rode and look fo the spot that is the highest and look there first. Anyone else down for a road trip??? lol
A GREAT INTERESTING CLIP!!!
That's it.
I'm packing my bags and I'm heading to the desert.
Gonna find that damn ship!
how did it go?
Maybe use Google earth first from the comfort of your home.
@@mattcolver1 Yes. I have been myself.
Did you find it?
@@mattcolver1 ha ha yeah right, it's that easy
Sad to say but this part of Southern California is so populated and explored that if this ship was anywhere within reach of people it would have been found by now. Likely if it exists its probably below the current Salton Sea level or it was found, plundered and burned and destroyed long ago by its finders to keep the source of their plunder secret.
I was to the Salton Sea this spring, I'd describe the lower reaches as still pretty desolate. They find all kinds of things right under busy city streets.. as long as it's covered by soil it's in a time capsule of it's own. Above ground? I'd agree with you completely.
Actually, in the 50’s an article in an LA newspaper covers an account of a mast sticking out of the sand near the west side of the imperial valley.
I wonder how many ancient sites and artifacts have been destroyed to hide where they came from or who disturbed it.
@@RaidenWard depends on where you are. Here in the US, if you find something valuable the gov't takes it away from you, so people keep finds secret. Can you blame them? In England they have a 'treasure trove' law where the finder gets to keep something like 70% of the find, I think. So there finds are reported and the archaeologists get to recover and document them, museums get to bid on the artifacts found, and the finder gets to keep the lion's share of the auction proceeds.. That's a much more civilized system than ours.
It is under water in the Salton sea, that is why you can not fly over that place in an aircraft, only certain military have clearance.
the real hard work is done by the film maker
Am so disappointed I wanted to see Charley uncovering the ⛵ out the ground. I still love the history thanks.
Today I watched an episode of the old 'Death Valley Days'. It was called 'The Ship of No Return'. It was about a guy that way shanghied on a pearl ship. After a storm they found the ship was now in a lake with land all around. The guy that was shanghied got out with a few friends. The show did not give any details and probably was just a fake story.
Part of the story is that one of the members of the crew managed to get back to Mexico and took the log book with him. It is supposed to still be in the archives of the Spanish government in Madrid.
Satilite came out in 1958 with 1 satilite in 1961 they add 115 more so having 3 images in time last one i put at 1961 so i found out that Calico Ghost Town till 1966 was owned from 1950's by Walter Knott after that Knott moved and opened Knott's Berry Farm and spent a lot of money so i started checking and found a little peace of info about Aug. 1964 that Ship was found in Desert
Finally a video not full of adds
Charlie never opened his mouth, nor smiled, legend has it, he never removed his hat either. Charlie went to LA and was immediately typecast.
The Indian tale of a bird flying down with white wings and evaporating the water sounds more like a comet or something of the like to me than a ship. JS
I live in the Mojave and old timer told me he had seen the ship when he was wondering around in the wilderness, He drove home to get some tools, but couldn't find the location again
There are no sign posts in the desert and its really hard to find things, but he still keeps looking in the general area
I remember a story of a man who had grown up on ships in the 1800s and upon retiring decided to go west.
While crossing the desert he lost his horses, don't remember why.
So he used his sailing skills to construct a mast and sail and was able to make it to civilization.
Many people reported seeing a sailing ship crossing the desert at a distance.
Who knows.
What? No iphone with a GPS app? There is an app for that.
I heard a story about a second desert ship. It was during the Arizona gold rush to La Paz. A schooner was built in San Francisco, sailed to San Pedro, pulled out of the water and wheels mounted on it. The plan was to haul it overland to the port at Yuma. On the way it became hopelessly bogged down in the desert sand and was abandoned. Since this story made the rounds in the newspapers a few years before Charlie's expeditions, some said this was the ship Charlie found.
As I recall this one was less than 100 ft. long. Charlie said his ship was 200 ft. It would be interesting to ask your friend how long the ship he saw was.
Not that story is real Lucky. There were three shipbuilding companies who built ships and attempted to deliver them to the Colorado river by hauling them across the desert. We know that at least one of them bogged down and that it could be responsible for some lost ship sightings. @@LuckyBaldwin777
There’s some great legends of the Mojave desert! Hav Mosuv. Or the Silver Disk people who flew them in the Panamint mountains! Probably ancient mariners who plundered Egypt and hid their stuff in the Grand Canyon! Confiscated by the Smithsonian!
I know it’s been 2 years but by chance would you have any good links to some more info on that I’ve always been interested in the hidden Egyptian artifact caves in the Grand Canyon , thanks !
The Mojave was under the ocean 245 million years ago. Homo erectus first walked the earth 1.9 million years ago. The oldest discovered sea faring hulled boat is the Late Bronze Age Uluburun shipwreck off the coast of Turkey, dating back to 1300 BC.
Tall tales, oral and written, and one of America's oldest and most popular narrative forms, flourished in the nineteenth century, especially on the frontier. A combination of reality and fantasy, usually told in the first person as a true story and frequently disguised as a personal narrative or anecdote, the tall tale typically depends on the storyteller assuming a straight-faced pose, purporting to be relating fact but enlarging the plot with fictive and outlandish details, which cumulatively create an incredible and fanciful yarn.
Charley was behaving very strangely, especially on his 3rd trip, after supposedly seeing the ship on his 2nd trip. With all those supplies, he should have retraced the 2nd route and been able to reach it. Unless he was looking at rock samples, he clearly wasn't looking for gold either. And that was not mentioned by the newspaper reporter. Maybe Charley was just suffering from a bad sense of direction?
It wasn't the prospectors that made their fortune during the gold rush, it was the merchants. They supplied miners and prospectors with food, equipment, and comfort at a premium price, preferably measured in gold. The next to get rich were the prostitutes and bankers, though one might argue then as now, they are one in the same. Conrad Hilton learned this lesson and started a hospitality empire during the Texas oil boom in 1919. He saw that the real wealth to be made was in gouging productive people, kind of like how we do taxes today. He hot bunked roughnecks in his hotel, sleeping them in shifts, and that was how Hilton Hotels started. Poor Charley Clusker. He should have opened a saloon/brothel at Sutter's mill. At least then he could have gotten laid regularly, which is saying a lot at a place and time during which there were 100 men to every woman, not counting Indians and Chinese of course. Just saying that was a taboo thing back then.
Good story it got me can u come up with another one!!
Love this video! I used to live out that way, actually where Lake Cahuilla was....but I never knew this history.
This story, and many more like it, can be read about in the books of W.C.Jameson... they are his "Lost treasures" series.... Really good....Highly recommended if you like TRUE stories about lost gold mines etc...
Jameson's books are just a repeat of stories. The original lost ship stories are found in the books and oral statements of Harold Weight, O. J. Fisk, Chief Cabezon, Phillip Bailey, and others. These stories pre-date Jameson by 80 years or more.
I found something VERY interesting on google earth using the terain layer instead of satellite. It's hard to explain this phenomenon. I wanna screen shot it and show someone interested in this shipwreck. I found an ancient reef I think and using satellite it's just sand......but if you change the view to Terrain, you can see the terrain better, and there's this mile long perfect straight line. That's unexplainable. It literally looks like a ship ran across it and left a mark. If anyone is interested I would like to show someone what they think.
I lived in the Salton Sea area it doesn't get 120° in November, but in June, July and August yes.
The sandy road next to the Ship was named Treasure ave.
this was very entertaining! some of the people commenting have to remember - that was 150 years ago. there was not the type of economy and lifestyle that most of us enjoy in our slothful over-pampered way. Clusker should be commended for having determination and fortitude, at least!
I felt sad hearing the horse bellow in fear when it was sinking to its death. :(
you suck as much as Charlie!
The"SHIP" he was searching for was Companionship and the treasures it has !
Cool story.
Charley made it to the ship without water yet was able to turn around and make it back without water? How does that work? The water fairy doesn't come down when you choose to turn back.
Come on man, there was still some bottled water in the ships hold, this ain't brain science!
Thanks for posting the story it was very well done and who knows with the shifting of sand
and time there could be a ship or more than one ship as the earth has reclame many cites
in all parts of the world.
And maps found that puzzle even the most harden debunker from the past.
If one never ask or never looks then one will never find the answer's
BULLSHIT, THERE WAS NO SHIP, YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER IDIOT LIKE CHARLIE!
If this is there to be found it will most likely be found from aerial based ground penetrating radar as it evolves. Magnetometers in the sky are resolving (improving) their resolution, but it's a game for deep pockets, not guys with shovels. Also there should be a grid search made via IR. Metal, even under the ground several inches heats up during the day and irradiates a signature as night falls.
I found the ship, but I am holding out for a Lost Ship Series on the History Channel. However, for a small fee, I will guide a select number of you to the ship site. CAsh only, please.
His poor horse.
Charlie would have taken better care of his horse then himself, his very survival would depend on that horse.
Why worry about a horse since it s total BS! Didn't happen!
Another grown man lost forever in a fairy tale he can't escape from,
like marrage..and women are honorable
I'm a Desert Rat and I've heard all the stories I hope it's true
He saw it with a telescope and couldn’t go just that one more mile?
MAYBE the ship IS interdimensional and pops in and out of time!
The only shifting sands that's near the area described that I can think of is further south down in Riverside County, Lake Cabazon.
If he was near death, having had no water for days when he saw the ship, how did he survive making it back to water? He would have had to travel at least more days without water. Something doesn't add up.
its all fake. bed time son
he traveled in the winter when it was in the 70s, not the summer when it's 100+
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Bob Bob Bob, you should know that there was several water holes spread out through the Coachella Valley back then. Including the hand dug one called Indian Well which is where that city got it's name.
Say Bob, do you remember that time at your golf classic in Bermuda Dunes CC and you where riding around in a golf cart with Henry Kissinger? I shook your hand for some reason. Anyway just wanted to let ya know if i knew then what i know today about him,,,And you to,,, lets just say millennial would of never had to see his hook nosed face.... Maybe i would of taken you fellas for a ride into the desert , idk...
This is pretty hard to believe as the oceans were a lot lower in the 1800's which according to the Curse of Oak Island the oceanic levels being roughly fifty five feet lower back in the days of the Knight's Templars. According to Wikipedia the Mojave area is between 235- 2000 ft above sea level, today. Now, the Sultan Sea of lower CA was once covered in water and a ship has been buried over time as many have actually seen exposed wreckage of a ship in that area. I think the stories are crossed between two area's. As the video says it was open to Colorado flood water around 765 AD not 1600-1700. Though, it is quite possible the Egyptians sailed up, then hiked to Marble Canyon, Grand Canyon.
Five minutes of story, fifty minutes of pontification. I bailed at forty minutes not caring whether he found the ship or not!
The man says that the daytime temps can be in the 120 to 125 F, and that's in the shade.
Here we say " there's no shade", not anywhere that gets to 120+ anyhow.
Temps above 110 do feel a bit hot. On days above 104, I make sure I keep shade over my tools so I can stand to handle them.
I work as a field mechanic on heavy equipment which means I fix them where they break.
This is awesome
There's no legend of any lost ship in the Mojave Desert. And Charley didn't look for it in the Mojave. He was looking in the Colorado Desert, which is where, of course, all the legends of lost ships can be found. Nobody's going to find any lost ships if they're looking in the wrong desert!
Agreed.... But this is the name the program selected, even after I told them exactly what you said...
This documentary managed to make lost desert ships seem boring
I know where the ship is! It's right next to Black Rock Candy Mountain!
Oh the buzzin' of the bees
In the cigarette trees
Near the soda water fountain
At the lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings
On the big rock candy mountain
2. There's a lake of gin
We can both jump in
And the handouts grow on bushes
In the new-mown hay
We can sleep all day
And the bars all have free lunches
Where the mail train stops
etc.
Interesting well done video.
Although the ship is a mirage
From my understanding the Cahuilla are only located in Southern CA. So at 6:50, it say's he puts the story in the back of his mind and heads to California. How can he meet the Cahuilla who are native to California, learn the story, and not actually be in California? This seems odd to me.
You have to understand that this show was for entertainment purposes, so sometimes things change specifically for entertainment. Here is a link to a presentation I did at the Mousley Museum in Yucaipa exploring the possibility of the Lost Ship of the Viking... czcams.com/video/I7PR5PE3SEI/video.html
The Mojave is the high desert, at least 1000 m elevation, north and east of Los Angeles: think Lancaster, 29 Palms, Las Vegas. The Cahuilla lived in the Sonoran Desert near Palm Springs and what is now the Salton Sea, where the elevation is below sea level. Good luck getting a ship up to Joshua Tree.
Ok, everyone stop what your doing, check out the desert on google maps and report back with the coordinates to the treasure ship. thank you :)
Here is the problem.
There were multiple stories of what was on the ship.
Generally, few knew the specifics of such a cargo.
I am guessing it had already been looted by the crew.
If anyone could get the manifest from that ship, I am sure that some of the crew had spent quite an unusual amount of money in the years following, before their deaths
Not sure viking longboats kept manifests, and Spanish ones weren't very reliable because they didn't want to pay taxes
Desert has many illusions,some we know might some not,shifting sand can add up around leaf less tree can look a poal of ship,especially in dehydration with compromised visions &other perceptions most likely story r legend will continue
Remember in fallout new Vegas when you started collecting bottles caps and you found special ones and then a guy came out of no where telling you the treasures hidden in the dessert if you found enough of them
Too far inland and those ancient shores too far in the past. Why take a different route when he "knew" where it was and had only been foiled by the lack of supplies? There may be no ship but it's a very fishy story.
The fact that Charley found sea shells in the desert is not at all surprising. The word "Coachella" in "Coachella Valley" is a bad transliteration of a Spanish word that means "little shells."
For all the gold that is beneath the moon, Or ever has been, of these weary souls. Could never make a single one repose.
Should have placed this in quotes. It was written by Dante Aligeri in the first installment of "The Divine Comedy." "Dante's Inferno." Cato 4 I believe.
Someone once found my stolen four wheeler in a Dirt Pit.
ive read that the ship was taken apart for wood for buildings just like the ships in san francisco bay at start of gold rush, plus for fires.
I've heard of the ship wreck of the Sultan Sea but never the Mojave Dessert.
I have lived in the desert near the Salton sea for close to fifty years.
I have traveled it extensively.
Anyone who says that some of the landmarks had disappeared is a bold faced liar.
The Salton Sea wasn't there when Charley was looking. A lot of landmarks are likely under water now, although not all.
I forgot to mention that Lake Cahuilla last disappeared around 1580 and the Spanish didn’t first arrive to California till 1542 so, while plausible that a ship could have explored the Sea of Cortez to the Colorado River area, it seems to me that the likelihood of ships getting there in those 38 years, before it was completely dried up, would be somewhat limited at best.
Someone wrote that they saw it on Google Earth at Calico Mountain but that would be something else since Calico Mountain is near Barstow, up in the Mojave, far away from Lake Cahuilla in the Colorado Desert.
Not true. There are around a dozen geological studies that examine the history of Lake Cahuilla and the consensus is that the most modern appearance of the great lake was around 1700, which certainly overlapped the European exploration period.
the real ship was charlies friendship, that he forged with his horse along the way.
How did he understand the language of the Indian story teller.
Wow, all of you have completely and clearly not thought this out, or read of the witnesses accounts from all of the wars. The ship is the Labelle.
The French ship "La Belle" was found in Matagorda Bay, Texas.
Many people got rich from Gold. Literally thousands of people in the 1800’s.
Michael Sandoval it has been millions since the dawn of time
Charlie was well supplied on his 3rd trip not forgetting to pack an extra 20 rolls of toilet paper