Revolvers As Self Defense Firearms In The Era Of Semi-Auto Handguns
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Look dude, if 5 rounds doesn't do it, then at least I tried.
Auto pistol advantage: Capacity / firepower
Revolver advantage:
(1)Can fire much more effective bullet designs due to no feeding issues; extremely deadly & destructive wide flat nosed bullet (80+% caliber meplats), capable of ripping large diameter tunnels completely thru large animals.
(2)firing single action, a revolver is capable of precision accuracy at long ranges that an auto pistol is mechanically incapable of.
(3) Simpler, more robust & reliable, less failure-prone mechanics. There are original Colt Single Action revolvers from the 1870's still firing will all original, never replaced parts. And that is in firing the original very powerful 45 Colt cartridge loading of 40 grains black powder, 255 gr bullet at 1000 fps.
(4) Round for round, especially considering Point 1, the revolver can be a more powerful, much deadlier weapon, effectively offsetting lower capacity.
(5) Round for round the revolver is a much more accurate handgun than the auto pistol; not an advantage at close range, but at longer range, the revolver's far greater precision accuracy can offset lower capacity.
(6) for many, the revolver has more intuitive, easy handling mechanics that aid first round hit capability, which can offset lower capacity.
(7) Revolver grips are not affected by magazine shape, so revolver grips are much more moldable to the individual, aiding first round hit capability, offsetting lower capacity.
(8)Considering Points 1, 4,5,6 & 7, the revolver has a major advantage in first round hit capability, offsetting low capacity. If you hit effectively and drop'em on the first shot, more capacity is no advantage.
(9)For military & police use, (especially military) the auto is a better choice due to having a magazine fed firepower advantage. For a civilian self defense shooter, usually alone with no backup, reliability, first round hit capability, and first round deadly effect, may be far more important than capacity / firepower.
(10) Firepower advantage for the auto is only with preloaded mags on hand; run the mags dry and the firepower advantage shifts to the revolver!
(Summation)Comparing both designs carefully, side by side the auto enjoys greater capacity / firepower. Otherwise, in practically all other categories, the revolver is totally superior in every way to the auto pistol!
I can't think of a reputable military, police force, intelligence organisation etc. who uses a revolver, but maybe my memory is slipping in my old age.
In the U.S. for military/police use, the revolver is typically used for backup, or as primary in certain special situations: example The S&W TRR8 8-shot 357 Mag revolver was developed especially for SWAT team point men to prevent close contact auto pistol malfunctions.
For military & police use, (especially military) the auto is preferred due to having a magazine fed firepower advantage. In mIlitary/police operations, backup is almost always on hand so a malfunction is tactically covered by backup.
However, for a citizen self defense shooter, the revolver may well be a better choice, because the citizen is usually alone with no backup, so reliability, accuracy, first round hit capability, and first round deadly effect, may be far more important than capacity / firepower. And in those particular areas the revolver performs superbly.
63DW89A wow, great points man, I agree with everything you said, I have both but am starting to move back to wheel guns
63DW89A about half your points are totally wrong and negated by the 1911 and are actually more true of single shot pistols like the tc contenders. They are more accurate than revolvers, has a much more costumizable grip, and your 500sw cant beat my 300winmag.
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Would you mind elaborating? I'm deciding between the TC Encore .308 & the Ruger Super Redhawk 9.5".
Every bit of information helps.
I love old revolvers, I collect old civil war black powder revolvers. The thing that made the revolvers so incredible was the first time it was used to save a group of Texas Rangers. They were fighting Indians, and the Indians saw that the Rangers had fired, and that meant that traditionally it would take a long time before they'd finish reloading and be able to fire again. But these Texas Rangers had Colt Paterson revolvers with them, and so when the Indians came charging in, the Rangers just kept on firing. This big time changed the face of combat in those instances. Having said that, guns progress over time and get better as time goes on. You grab a big revolver to go bear hunting or to shoot a spaghetti western these days. For concealed carry go with a standard gun, for defense of your home go for the AR-15 and if you some day find yourself out bear hunting, grab a 357 Magnum just in case lol
When I get in trouble I want to have the least things to worry about. Point at enemy. Pull trigger.
I don't need to worry about safeties, slides etc..
I can fire a revolver with a shrouded hammer from my pocket. If I am on a trail I want something reliable. No springs. No magazines to lose.
Self defence..it doesn't matter what I shoot if I can't hit my target.
Jason, love your gun videos. people don't really emphasize the need for personal self defense enough in my view
My favorite is ruger super red hawk 44 mag 9.5 inch barrel I get 1,648 FPS energy 1,447 ftlbs with 23 inches in gel
My 44 mag hunting rounds are bufflalo bore 44 mag 305 gr lfn velocity 1,325 FPS and 1,180 ft lbs energy the brown bear I shot took 2 rounds first round went clean thru chest and second went 34 inches penetration bear weight 538 lbs
Horse Rider haha yeah. I love my 300 gr. Garrets
I had a pair of Ruger .44mag. Super BlackHawks w/7.5" barrels and loved them. Sadly I lost them in a house fire and never got around to replacing them. With adjustable sights the accuracy was unbelievable, I could destroy a brick at 100 yards.
One thing people tend to forget about is people that don't have the strength to rack the slide on a semi auto. Some guns are better than others. My target 1911 my wife can't even move the slide.
Another very valid point for choosing the right pistol given MANY factors.
Exactly.
They do have a lot of revolvers from Smith from big to small that are light weight as well. They also have an 8 shot 44 mag snubby out there too. Even for a revolver, that's some heat.
HELLO RUBY!!!!!!!
I think their is something in this age old debate that we all fail to remember. Some people,for whatever reason, (lack of practice for a lot of different reasons, which would become a problem with any ftf,physical inability as far as racking etc.,but mainly the lack of training,not placing blame thee cold be a lot of reasons for the lack of practice and training). In those case the revolver would rein supreme. Just pick it up and shoot. Off hand busy in a struggle, still shoot.
If you have an issue with capacity you can use a revolver to get someone off you and out of the situation. You don't have to stand there and John Wick yourself out of the situation.
After shooting since I was 8 yrs old and grew up hating revolvers most of my life, once I hit about 35 I realized that I've never needed a gun in self defense, most likely I never will and more important than the type of gun or capacity is being aware of what's going on around you. If someone sneaks up on you and puts a gun to your spine and they intend to shoot you it doesn't matter if you have a 50 Rd gun. If you go for your gun, you're going to get shot. If you see something coming and get the drop on the person, if you have a 38 special Derringer you can come out of it just fine. I carry 2 S&W 5 shot old school 1971 38 specials. Between speedstrips and speedloaders and my 2 38's I have 46 rounds of ammo. I'm not worried about carrying that. Plus I have 2 guns and can fire in 2 directions and have 10 rnds on tap at any time. I just got to a point after carrying autos for so long that I realized I'm not going to get into a Hollywood shootout and if it's my time to die so be it. There are a lot worse things than death. When it's my time it's my time. No matter where I'm at or what I'm doing when my time is up, it's up. I won't be taking that trip to the afterlife alone. I think anyone should carry what they want. If someone likes autos, cool go for it. Revolvers did many people well for 130 years. A gun is better than no gun, but I just plan for the places I go. If I was going to crazy ass places, I'd have my Shotgun and my magnums too, but at the grocery store or Walgreens or the pet food store, not counting on some wild shit to go down. I also carry a gun to get myself out of trouble, not to engage in it.
It is preference here Jason. I have both but lean these days towards revolvers. :)
Please provide a link of a SD event with a concealed carry that required more than 6 rounds.
Can't argue any of that. But you can't argue against the fact that a 325g S&W 460 mag going 2400 fps does a lot more damage
Great video
Taurus judge is a great outdoor multi tool.
i have to settle for a 9mm for self defence because i cant find a compact .45acp that fits my hand :(
Is he comparing OWB pistol capacity with a pocket revolver? How about comparing a pocket pistol vs revolver.
Exactly, I'll take 5 shots of .357 mag over 8 of .380
Where did you go? Loved the videos.
Revolvers all the way. You do not need over 6 shots in self defense most of the time.
4:44 Eaa 10mm shoots without issue. S.W. 686 4 inch with 158 grain I feel considerably more recoil almost troublesome
Weight depends on the individual gun, not so much whether it is a revolver or semiauto. For example, the Smith & Wesson 642 is a pretty popular carry revolver expressly because it is so lightweight (aluminum alloy frame), but that makes it harder to shoot well than some semiautos that people carry. That's in addition to its double-action trigger pull.
Question: In a harsh environment situation, if each ( pistol & revolver) were accidentally dropped on their side onto a hard or rocky surface, would the delicate small parts that actually rotate and hold the cylinder be more likely to sustain damage that would put the wheel gun out of action? I can see the pistol sustaining cosmetic damage, but not sure what else. I am open to being educated. Thanks, Jason. Appreciate your even handed, level headed approach !!
I agree that in shtf of long enough duration, revolvers will regain supremacy. Reliable, no magazines to lose or damage. I had been looking at a 45-70 lever gun, but now I believe I will go 357 or 44 Magnum. You have changed my thinking.
What I like better than a revolver is 2 revolvers. If I go to war it’s. Autos all the way. Thanks
there are 8 shot revolvers there are 5 shot semis it depends
Watching countless media has deterred me from owning a revolver: security footage, cop drills, and Hollywood (fake, I know)... but it's always the same problem. Our hero spends all 5+ rounds, gets pinned down, struggles to get the wheel open and takes all day to reload... if he/she wasn't spilling bullets everywhere that is. They rarely think to ever use moon clips/speed loaders.
Too many movies and not enough real time experience. Either way Josey Wales was pretty cool.
After successfully defending himself with a firearm in a shootout with the criminal... the victim told police...
"I just wish I hadn't brought so much ammo."
OK - maybe not.
Jason, your videos are both well done and very informative. A little constructive criticism though. Don't wear shirts like that. It really makes the video seem a bit tawdry and will most likely push away potential subscribers. Best to you.
Well if the semi-auto carrier only have one magazine, doesn't a revolver load much faster though?
Spjutfisk 123 no it doesn't. Unless you're very talented
Put an empty revolver and an empty auto pistol side by side on the bench at the range, each with a 50 round box of ammunition. Guarantee you the revolver will put 50 rounds down range faster than the auto. The Auto firepower advantage is ONLY with pre loaded mags. Run the mags dry and firepower advantage shifts to the revolver.
@@dugweacr1 A revolver reload is way faster than reloading an entire magazine. The question was if you had only ONE magazine.
very honest
What if a 44 mag has only a 4" barrel? Loosing lots of power😞
Not really 4'' is average (that's what she said). I think the snubbies lose the most velocity. 4" is not bad.
Hey man, fact is, if the big did only that with the other bucket of bills and the holy hill front of the other side of where the guy came from. Huh, I’m just saying. Taking into the considering of the big dole dig and who’s to say it wasn’t that right? Ya know what I mean?
i can`t own but i would still use a .357 wheel gun. 686 preferible ohh colt python man
Maybe you should minimize your distractions while reloading. How many squib loads did you make without checking your powder charges.
None so far out of over 2,000 rounds shot I have loaded on camera.
Forty-four magnum is too much gun for a self defense encounter b/c there’s too much chance of over penetration regardless of ammo choice.
Would 44 Special have the same problem?
@@traumajock no not at all
whoa WHOA WHOA.... who says you'll get more than ONE SHOT OFF at a charging bear???
Maybe at 100 yards, but hiking down a trail and around the switch back you stumble onto an ornery bear within 20 yards just: one-shot is lucky then, want a 10mm or or 40ACP...not me. LOL
Whoa WHOA WHOA.... who says you'll get more than ONE SHOT OFF at a charging bear???
Maybe at 100 yards, but hiking down a trail and around the switch back you stumble
onto an ornery bear within 20 yards just: one-shot is lucky then, want a 10mm or or
40ACP...not me. What you really NEED is a 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, 45-70, 444 Marlin or
similar RIFLE, but those are slow to deploy and heavy to tote, a 44 Mag revolver is
quicker and less than half the weight... this is the MINIMUM you need for that rare
chance!!! Saw another video saying the best is BEAR-SPRAY, BUT there was reported an
incident where a mommy bear ran straight thru it to maul the hiker, and crawling back
to his truck she caught up and mauled him again... you need BOTH spray and GUN. LOL
with you bear-dance in the woods!!!
Today we are spoiled. Modern factory ammunition is as close to perfect as anything made by man could ever be. Given that is the case then semi-autos will be able to function with almost perfect reliability. But will that always be the case? What do you think you will need your pistol for?
If there is a serious long term SHTF situation the availability of good quality ammo may be limited. One may have to scrounge for any ammo they can get. Maybe it will be ammo that wasn't always stored properly. Maybe it will have been ammo that was reloaded by somebody who wasn't that skilled at it. In extreme situations, maybe it will be ammo that was reloaded with black powder because modern smokeless powders weren't available. A decent revolver can handle questionable ammo of spotty quality better than a semi-auto can. A decent revolver can handle black powder loads without serious problems (though you do have to be serious about cleaning them ASAP after use). A semi-auto wouldn't be able to function for more than a few rounds at most with black powder before it ceased to function, necessitating a full field strip and rigorous cleaning.
So, as I see it one's perceived need for the weapon will be an important factor. If you are mainly worried about having to deal with serious fire fights in a realitively short term then a semi-auto is going to be your best go to choice. If you are worried about SERE/ hunting during long duration SHTF scenarios then a revolver would be a better choice.
Two last points. In an extreme situation, your typical large heavy all steel revolver will make a much better club than any Glock ever made could. And if you're really serious about having to handle fire fights, you need a battle or assault rifle clone, not a pistol.
first every time no off and on switch. rate of fire does not improve accuracy, it degrades it. number of misses does not help. police shootings increase number shots, more unintended consequences..
I don't see how a Revolver is obsolete when people still carry knives, clubs, and baseball bats as weapons. I think that all of us could agree that a good Smith &Wesson, Ruger, or Colt would be a superior weapon compared with a non- gun for a life and death self defense situation.
Can the gun go boom hahaha then yes... and if u have like 3 or more gun with different calibers then 200 or 300 bullets of that caliber and you should be good happy surviveing !!!!
I choose semi auto anytime, nice try though 😏
If you prefer a Desoto over a Lexus, you're a revolver lover. If you think Harley Davidsons are high tech, you're a revolver lover. Revolvers don't have as much energy onboard without a reload. Most gunfights are not a fair fight and you will most likely be facing three people. In most gunfights the last person that runs out of ammo wins.
+BulletSpoung In most gunfights, the first person to hit center mass stops the fight. A small-frame 38 revolver will get into action much faster and hit center mass much more quickly than sub compact and compact autos. As far as engaging multiple assailants, I've run drills on "3 Assailant Targets", and two small frame 38/357 revolvers will "center-mass" 3 targets before a single auto can hit the 2nd target. This drill was run using a Taurus 85, a S&W 36, and a Taurus 605, all equipped with Crimson Trace Laser grips. The revolvers are carried on left and right hips, using in-waist-band holsters. The revolvers are drawn simultaneously, but fired sequentially, as laser dot hits center mass. Draw both revolvers at danger signal, hit right target with right-hand revolver, left target with left-hand revolver, then center target with right hand revolver, or left-right-center sequence if the left target is engaged first. It doesn't take long to improve weak-hand shooting skills dramatically, and by firing sequentially, it is easy to get center-mass hits lightning quick with two revolvers, especially with Laser sights. Also, two compact revolvers on each hip are easier to carry and conceal, than one "blocky" auto.
First!
Lmao!
Leave one round empty incase ur gun in a tussle get takin away u know u have a chance to get it back because the first shot is empty.
Carmine Mineo hahaha are you serious, are you trying to get someone killed?
Whenever I hear anyone say "wheel gun" I automatically lose respect for them