M4 iPad Pro RIP-OFF 9 Cores vs 10 Cores is this an Apple SCAM
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Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
So with the new Apple release of their M4 iPad Pro we are now seeing Apple binning their Apple Silicon chips and creating two lines of processors for the iPad Pro, a 9 CPU core version and a 10 core CPU version.
As far as I'm concerned, I think that Apple have gone too far with their greed and I think that all M4 iPad Pros should all have the same base processor specification.
I agree that there should be higher storage options, that obviously cost a lot more money, for those who need more internal storage. But having two different CPU specifications, for a device that even in its base configuration is very expensive, is just too much and unfair.
What do you think?
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So with the new Apple release of their M4 iPad Pro we are now seeing Apple binning their Apple Silicon chips and creating two lines of processors for the iPad Pro, a 9 CPU core version and a 10 core CPU version.
As far as I'm concerned, I think that Apple have gone too far with their greed and I think that all M4 iPad Pros should all have the same base processor specification.
I agree that there should be higher storage options, that obviously cost a lot more money, for those who need more internal storage. But having two different CPU specifications, for a device that even in its base configuration is very expensive, is just too much and unfair.
What do you think?
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OK higher storage options are SO MUCH overpriced but getting the M4 at 1000$ with the amoled screen and so on is a bit unfair
It’s an arm robbery…
ARM robbery 😆👍
😂
Apple products have jumped in price over the last couple? of years David, haven’t they?
I bought the latest Mini with Cellulara few months after release for £479 off Amazon ( it was discounted), but same thing today is £649 from Apple.
The 13” Air interested me……but with Cellular, base storage 128 we a talking nearly a grand, £949 . I would have to find a huge discount for that to go in my shopping basket
@@richardsracingmad Yes they have, Richard. Plus, it’s worse for us in the UK as we usually pay more than the dollar equivalent and not an adjusted exchange rate price. Although, this new iPad Pro is now the same sterling price to the dollar amount for the base the model, $1000 and £1000. That said, if we were paying in line with the exchange rate then it would be £800. Yes, I get that there’s import duties etc. But in the UK and most of mainland Europe, we are paying serious Apple TAX. I buy other tech items where the sterling price is appreciably less than the USD equivalent. After a while some of the major outlets will discount certain items. At the moment Costco are doing a great price on the M1 Max Apple Studio, but that is now an “old” computer and it’s taken a long time for that discount to kick in. Cheers, Dave.
Underrated comment 😂
I just cancelled my iPad order because it was not clear on the configurator that the 512GB model only had 9 cores and 8GB of RAM. That info is BURIED. I only found out when reading Mac Rumors after I ordered it.
Yes, they are not SUPER clear about these things. They really should have explained this properly in the release video as well. Cheers, Dave.
It’s in there under memory
When you see how ridiculously expensive the keyboard is, no wonder they put a better M4 behind a 500$ paywall. Personally, I will buy the entry model cause I just want a crisp display. And besides, I guess having one less performance core will help saving some battery life.
It's a $700 paywall.
Base 11": $999 + $600 for the 1tb eligibility minimum = $1,599
$1,599 + $100 for the 10-core = $1,699.
This is how you become a trillion dollar company. And this is also why they won't stay there while lacking innovation.
do you think buying the 9 cores version is a bad idea? i want the ipad so bad but the 1tb price is kinda crazy for me
It doesn't even need the 10 cores... they still lock it for the average user, though. fuck Apple.
Thank you. Did not realize this was a yield issue on the chip manufacturing side. You taught me something today :-). Makes total sense. I get the part about RAM. However loosing 25% performance? Now I am actually wondering if i should upgrade my 11" M1 iPad Pro 2021? Probably the most intense task I do is using Lumafusion for video editing and rendering. All my ipads in the past have been at 256Gb SSD. And I buy external drives, much cheaper. I guess the M4 iPad still has the OLED screen and the landscape camera. Is that enough to upgrade? Also want to find out if the USB C specs are better with higher transfer speeds? I understand the marketing gimmicks. However this is borderline from an ethics pow. May be I should stick with my old iPad. However might have to replace battery. Will see over the next 2-3 weeks.
Hi. Don't get me wrong, the RAM thing is also a factor and yes, we would all like more. However, on iOS and iPadOS, the whole point of their apps is to run as efficiently as possible with the minimum of RAM. It definitely isn't like on macOS where you are doing to be using very heavy apps/software that are designed to use as much RAM as possible. That's what I was basically getting at when I mentioned the RAM and it's not that the OS itself dictates the size of the RAM, it's the typical apps associated with the OS. What's really eating me is that Apple did not do this chip binning on M2 and M1 iPad Pro, they both had a fixed CPU core count which meant that every iPad Pro in their respective series, M2 or M1, was just as powerful with the CPU processing as every other one in its range. When you consider that Apple have always used binned chips but did not allow that to dictate and change the performance of the M1 and M2 iPad Pros. This is why I have a problem with them doing it to the M4 iPad Pro. As for upgrading from your current M1 iPad Pro, I would wait and see what the comparisons are like. I have the M1 and M2 iPad Pros and will be doing a number of comparisons with the M4, I also have Lumafusion and will try and do some comparisons. Cheers, Dave.
This is nothing new, they did the same thing with the 2018 iPad Pro. It might have a little to do with the yield, but also has to do with the SSD performance at higher storage space and transferring files over thunderbolt performance.More ships require more processing power and memory. If you are going after a 1TB version then most likely you will be using that extra processing and memory with storage and file transfers or the size of files you will be editing. You can’t have the version with more storage under performing to the one with less storage. Adding the core and memory *might end up outperforming the lower storage versions but it would look worse if the more expensive higher storage models under performed against the lower storage versions.
These Apple scams are getting ridiculous.
Yes, they just don't know where to stop.
@DavidHarry it's incredible how people defend and justify Apple actions. Imagine $600 for a 60hz, lcd with 128gb storage iPad air in 2024. That's a ripoff
@@agprimeApple has two types of users. The iSheeps who prefers watching Apple biased content creators and the normal Apple users who criticize Apple to be more reasonable and for them to improve better. I own Samsung and Apple devices and I am not a fanboi of either - both have their pros and cons.
@Gurenn83 I agree, I also use both products.
The flaw in your logic is the reality of business: they save a lot of money getting usable products out of the 9 core chips. If they threw those all away and only used the 10-cores they would lose more money and therefore every iPad would be more expensive since they’d have to pass that loss on to us. So in reality you should be thanking them for being more efficient with manufacturing losses which brings down price of all the iPads.
Your logic is totally flawed. They never done this with the CPU on the M1 or M2 iPad Pros, proving there’s no need to do it with M4.
@@DavidHarry I see what you're getting at, but then again maybe the new "3nm efficiency chip" is particularly difficult in terms of yield. Also, are there going to be any iPad apps that state the minimum requirements are the 10-core M4 & 16GB ram, and the 9-core M4 & 8GB ram is not good enough ? - I doubt it.
They will see the prices once the Snapdragon X Elite comes out, and they will understand.. (or do they think that chip will be cheap, when even the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 chip was $160.. and the X Elite chip have more cores so basically more raw materials, and +3 years of engineers payments in that chip..)
After that they.won't cry anymore about the Apple pricing..
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
@@DavidHarrylet them spend $ 3600 to buy a tablet 😂😂. That's what fans are for. Let them prolong the life of Apple a bit. Apple might not survive this decade. Their days are getting numbered. They're maximising profits on every purchase they will ever get from now on.
That’s just the nature of chip binning
Yes, it is. However, it's also Apple's choice as to how they implement the binned silicon. It didn't happen on the previous iPads. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry absolutely! That said, they have to put the binned ones somewhere. What would be an unforgivable offence of greed is if the chips are binned artificially only to upsell. But I don’t know how we consumers would find that out, given the nm scale and ip of the Apple silicon. In any case. It’s an extra 18-33% performance for those who need 16gb of ram. At least it the pros start at 256gb now so swap memory is enabled without needing to upgrade the storage.
@@MarkBoda Hi, Mark. I think you've just better said exactly what I was thinking, in that, Apple are using the binning to artificially up sell on a product line that shouldn't have variations in it's processing ability. Although, as you said, there's no way of proving that and maybe I sound a bit like a conspiracy nut 😆 The problem with having different processing abilities within something like an iPad, which has alway been a platform with set processing, is that you cant guarantee that they will all be able to handle specific processing tasks, if some are less powerful compared to others. With Macs these things don't really come into play, as you generally accept that you have to pay more for better processing for doing specific tasks etc. However, with a simple mobile device, such as any range of iPad, part of their appeal is that they all of them in any particular range will always do the same thing, as far as processing is concerned. If Apple are doing this with the iPad Pro, then they should just get it over and put macOS on them. Lastly, yes, that's good that base storage is now 256GB, that's the one I ordered. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry Assuming, let's say core number 10 (#10) is always addressed as the "faulty" one, then processing, addressing and priority time is used up "bypassing" #10 constantly. Do they have a version of the OS specifically for the "bypass" OS or just the same OS? Either way they become two different platforms and processor time consuming. Silly idea and my guess things will become messy with compatibility as this rolls out? 🤔🤥
@@KevinHallSurfing Hi, Kevin. I don’t know how they address the “faulty” core but I would imagine that whatever trickery they use to do it, will come at some kind of cost. Maybe it’s all done in hardware on the SoC and the OS is just presented with what it sees as a “standard” processor. The problem I have with this isn’t so much using binned chips, it’s having two different specifications and core counts for the same “fixed” platform. One of the best things about iPads is that you could guarantee what every one in a particular range/series could do and they would be identical as far as processing ability is concerned. Having two different CPU processors in the same range/series will take away the consistency. With different specifications within the same range/series, the iPad is becoming more like a Mac laptop. Which is all fine but if that’s where Apple are going then they should also have the option of a “proper” “computer” OS (macOS) as well as the mobile OS (iPadOS/OS). Cheers, Dave.
They should have just made CPU + RAM a customizable option for all storage configs.
Start at 9 core and sell 10 core at an upcharge.
Start at 8GB RAM and sell 16GB at an upcharge.
I don’t need more than 250GB, but the 10 core and 16GB of RAM would be nice.
Agreed but that would require the Apple marketing department to be honest, and the latest M4 (10 core) performance hype would immediately be exposed, I suspect the 9 core binned M4 chips that are in the base models and probably the base M4 mackbook Airs, will be yet another incremental upgrade.
As if we thought £200 per 512GB storage was outrageous Apple go and charge £400 per 512GB upgrade and go and throw in the 8GB Ram they were previously charging £200 for, for free, which just shows you how little RAM costs Apple.
This has been weighing heavily on me. I appreciate you raising the fact that memory isnt a factor, though I'd like to know what use cases more ram adds value. Same on the 3 verses 4 cores - when does this matter? Is it AR? Gaming? 3d design/redering? Video editing?if you could explain that, it would really help me out. Thanks.
Hi. Don't get me wrong. Yes, memory and storage are a factor to consider and certain apps will definitely use the higher memory. However, this is not a Mac where we get "proper" apps that will use a lot of memory. Or put it this way, if you are doing serious heavy processing, you don't use an iPad you use a traditional PC, Windows, Mac, Linux etc. Regardless of CZcamsrs and people in the comments say, very few people will use an iPad for a heavy processing task and there's loads of pro software that isn't even available on iPad anyway. Plus, if you're going to spend a couple of grand on a 1TB iPad, you really should have been looking at a laptop for that price and got something more capable. Anyway, aside from the argument of using am iPad pr traditional computer/laptop. Making a CPU that has one less core on the iPad Pro is something that Apple have not done before. The M1 and M2 iPad Pros all had their same CPU core counts even though the silicon yield was bad with both and Apple were binning chips. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry that makes sense. I did buy a ‘defective’ chip in my m1 MacBook Air to save money. I have never felt the pain, but I’m not a heavy user. I suspect that I don’t to anything that will tax the CPUs except possibly play PUBG, and I suspect that is more GPU heavy. I’m going to go with a lower end model, and I’m primarily doing so for the screen. I know I’m paying a premium over my m1 iPad given my m1 iPad is good (albeit could use a fresh battery), but I’m splurging.
But didn’t they double the base storage and upgraded to a really pricey OLED screen
And increase the price....
That's got nothing to do with reducing the core count. Plus you failed to mention that they also increased the price of the iPad Pro.
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
I think you overlooked something David, the iPad with “ TAMDEN OLED “ is 2 screens in order to handle that extra requirement plus keeping battery life at 10 hours required the Efficiency of the M4.👨💼
None of that has anything to do with why Apple are using two CPU variations on the same iPad product. Don't forget, they never did this for M1 or M2 iPad Pros and those things also suffered from bad yields for the silicon. Cheers, Dave.
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
This is the age-old ladder climb that Apole always use. It's frustrating.
They always make the entry level model totally restrictive so that you upgrade and then charge you insane amounts of money if you want more memory and storage etc. It's why their products are always initially attractive, but I quickly lose interest when I start to delve deeper and look at prices.
I still have an old 2017 iPad Pro which my wife uses for teams calls etc, but I'm keen to pick up a new tablet for myself. The iPad air is cheaper, but it's still twice the price of some decent android tablets from companies like Xiaomi, who are packing the tablet with a better display and more storage etc.
So if I get an iPad or iPad Pro, it will be a used model.
I'm still leaning towards a good android tablet at this time as it will do everything I need.
Which model is your iPad Dave? If I remember right, it does have an M chip?
Alright, Kevin.
Yes, this is Apple doing their usual thing and forcing an upsell in order to get what you “really” want. I’ve had this problem with my Macs and had to spend more to get what I needed.
However, this is the first time that Apple have done this trick with any of the iPads. In the past some of the Pros had more RAM and storage the more you pay but they all had the same processing capabilities. This is the first time that they’ve done this “trick” with the processing power on the iPads.
I’ve got both the M1 and M2 Pros in 11”. With all of the Pros I’ve ever had I’ve always got the base version and I use them with a dock to use external storage, wired internet, mouse, keyboard, monitor etc. I’ve just ordered the base M4 and am feeling really pissed off that I’ll be using the less powerful one. However, there’s no f##king way I was going to pay an extra £600 just to get an extra CPU core and RAM and storage that I definitely don’t need.
The big problem here is that Apple are using the same SoC systems on the iPad Pros as they do on their Macs. Which means all the BS that comes with the upselling but without a proper OS and professional apps/software.
Anyway, I’m off to sell my iPads, iPhone and Mac before I lose anymore f##king money on them as they devalue 🤣 Actually, saying that, at least the Apple sh1t holds their prices well second hand and with the M4 iPad Pro going up in price and being so expensive it may help with the second hand price of the M2 and M1 ones.
Actually, one last moan 😆 I’ve got some really nice magnetic desk stands for my iPad Pros and some awesome cases and none of them will work with this new one. So there’s more f##king money that should be going to my pension 😆😆😆😆
Cheers,
Dave.
@@DavidHarry Yeah I was surprised that the same chip was being throttled in this way. Wouldn't surprise me if in six months time, some hackers figure out a way to unlock the full potential of the chip on the lower end device (though you'd probably have to root the device).
The model you are getting is still a beast. Looks super powerful. Just a shame you lose out on the extra CPU, memory and storage etc.
Still, that's the one I'd go for too. Beyond the base model, it really is the law of diminishing returns. You're spending MacBook Pro money at that point.
Shame your old accessories won't all work... especially given the price of Apple accessories.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it when it arrives 👍
@@DavidHarry Hi Dave. I replied to this via my phone the other day but must not have went through. Could have been my signal.
I think you're making the right move.
The geek in me would love to buy the new iPad and if I did, I'd go for the base model as I just can't justify paying several hundred more for more storage (I use cloud storage and have a NAS) or more memory (Not sure I'd ever need more RAM).
I'm not sure I can even justify the base model though. Other than DaVinci Resolve, there aren't many pro features I'd really take advantage of. I think one of the affordable Xiaomi tablets does 90% of what I need at a quarter of the cost.
Definitely a case of want, not need, for me.
Of course, if I did have a good use case, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
Just a shame Apple still want customers to buy two devices, not one. If it was a laptop replacement, I'd happily buy one of the expensive models as it would do everything I needed.
@@KevinMuldoon Alright, Kevin. I think you’ve just explained the problem better than I have. The iPad Pro, even the base model, is far too expensive for what it is. At the end of the day it’s just a tablet that doesn’t have the advantages of a laptop but is more expensive than many laptops.
I’m the same as you, I use external storage etc. so don’t need a huge amount internally. And because of the nature of a tablet and the lack of “proper” OS and “pro” apps, I don’t really need much RAM.
Paying for large amounts of storage and RAM for something that was designed for simplicity and easy to use apps, is just a waste as far as I’m concerned. There are a handful of powerful apps for the iPad, Resolve being one of them, that will use more RAM and take advantage of powerful processing. However, the vast majority of iPad apps simply don’t require that much RAM or processing power.
On the point of Resolve on iPad, which is probably the most powerful app on iPad. You’d have to be mad if you spec up an iPad to run Resolve properly, when a similar priced MacBook or Windows laptop will run it better and get more from it. I mean, seriously, what’s the point in adding the Magic Keyboard thing to a 13” iPad with at least 1TB of RAM, which will cost you over £2000? For that money you are getting a great laptop that will have a better and more suited OS for productivity and the option for sh1t loads more “proper” software as opposed to mobile apps.
I’m only getting the M4 iPad Pro because I am an iPad FanBoy 😆 Although, I’m not an Apple or Mac FanBoy. But mainly because of my CZcams channel and for doing videos about it and making money. From an end users point of view, the M1 iPad Pro has been the best value one and you can pick one of those up for about £400 second hand, compared to £1000 for the cheapest new M4. Also, for day to day stuff, watching movies, listening to music, social media stuff, web browsing, emails, office documents, lite productivity work etc. There will be no difference between a base M1 iPad Pro and the most expensive M4 iPad Pro. Even the last of the A series iPad Pros, I think it had the A12Z, is still a great iPad Pro. However, the extra for the base M1 iPad Pro is a better spend and it’s likely that the M1 will have at least another 4 years or so worth of updates in it.
Actually, thinking about it. If I didn’t do CZcams and although I am a huge fan of iPads, I would definitely have stopped at the M1. I’ve tried Resolve and a few other “pro” apps on my iPad Pros and they are simply too much of a pain in the arse to use. I don’t care what anyone says, when you’re video editing with complicated software like Resolve or making music with complex software such as Cubase, with all of its plugins etc. You would be a fu*king idiot if you choose to struggle doing that kind of thing on something thats primarily a touch device with a relatively small screen. Even on a MacBook you’ve got the option for more screens for an extended desktop, which is something you defo need with the software I’ve just mentioned for extra windows and monitoring of plugins etc. And if you’re fully mobile doing these things, again, a 16” laptop screen is better than a 13” iPad one. Even if I use my MacBook on its own, no external monitors, I also use a mouse with it. Again, I don’t give a crap about what anyone says, a mouse is way more useful than a trackpad and there’s no comparison with the inflexibility and inaccuracy of the touch screen control of an iPad for “proper” work.
Anyway, I’m glad I’ve got that out of my system 😆😆😆😆
Cheers,
Dave.
@@DavidHarry Alright Dave
Yeah for the average consumer, it's hard to justify paying so much for features that you aren't going to use often. I'm all for buying pro features, but pointless if you don't use them.
I haven't used Davinci Resolve on the iPad yet, but I know it just won't be the same. Even with a keyboard and mouse attached, a lot of mainstream apps are frustrating to use on tablets because certain features are missing and/or you still need to touch the screen at times. Plus with an iPad, you'll always have to Frankenstein it a bit with external SSDs etc.
Like you, I can buy the iPad solely for CZcams videos and doing some reviews and accessory reviews etc. So I can justify it from that perspective.
To play devil's advocate a little, I guess it does get easier to justify if you only upgrade every three or four years. As then you can look at it as a yearly cost, not a one-off cost. So you could view the new iPad as £333.33 per year for three years or £250 per year for four years.
Another thing to consider is resale price. iPads hold their prices well so if you want the latest version, you could buy with the plan to sell it in two years time. In two years...I reckon you'd still get £650 or so for it. So now the yearly price is £175 😂😂😂
I think you're right though. An M1 iPad Pro will do 99% of what the new M4 iPad does.
Looks like Apple are selling the 2021 M1 IPad Pro 128GB model for £549 refurbished. Comes with a new battery, new outer shell and one year warranty. That's cheaper than what CEX are currently selling the unlocked version for. It's not a bad deal.
There's some good deals on M2 iPads on eBay now too as many Apple users are looking to upgrade. 👍
This is where Apple have now crossed the line and gone too far with their dubious practices. They pushed it hard with the M3 laptop fiasco with the memory chip upgrades scam and only giving 8gb memory. It’s not like they don’t make enough money already? It’s why I bought S24 ultra just now instead of waiting for Ip16. Shame it’s ended up like this
Hi. I totally agree. I get that they use binned chips and that they scale CPU and GPU performance but that has been for Macs. They have never done this before with the iPad Pro, as in, create two different CPU versions. The previous M2 and M1 iPad Pros did not do this and both M1 and M2 also had chip yield issues and variations on binning. It just feels like Apple have used the iPad Pro as "Guinea pig" to get rid of the bad yields in the M4 range. It will be interesting to see which Macs only get the 9 core CPU from the binned yields. Anyway, yes, they have definitely crossed the line. Cheers, Dave.
And if I run macos or windows on it for some task with virtual desk, will that make any difference in the election?
So then why do you need the extra core????
how are effeicency cores allowed to be full cores...
Just when everyone is fed up with Apple ridiculous Ram and SSD pricing of £200 per 8GB of Memory and £200 per 512GB of storage, Apple go full mental and start charging £200 per 256GB of storage ! I can only assume this is just their insane way of hiding the fact 10 cores is only available if you spend £1600 / £1900 and their sky high RAM pricing, because RAM is what people have complained about the most, they don't seem to understand that people are equally annoyed by the storage prices, they just use 8GB RAM as short hand for the whole issue.
They should have been more honest and given a clear 10 core and 16GB RAM option, and kept the storage size independent, but its all about marketing tricks and gouging their customers for as much as possible with Apple isn't it
Yes, exactly 👍 They should have been more honest when talking about the performance. Given that most of the M4 iPad Pros that are going to be sold are going to be the base versions or maybe the 512GB, in both the 11" and 13", with the 9 core CPU. Then giving the benchmarks for the 10 core version is at least disingenuous and at worst it's outright deception. As for their pricing of memory and storage, that is just truly horrific. Given that you can buy a 256GB NVMe SSD for less than £30/$30, it makes Apple's pricing a joke. Yes, their 256GB is going to be better and faster storage. However, the cheap 256GB SSD for £30/$30 is an end user price after manufacturing and various markups within the sale's chain. The Apple storage isn't packaged and sold on to other manufacturers, it's just another silicon option at the point of manufacture for the SoC. In any event, the mark up is simply offensive. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry Yes the "Leak" about the 10 core performance wasn't an accident, the usual suspect "reviewers' all gushing about the M4 performance with Zero mention of the 9 core base model issue.
With a price point of £1900 for the 13 inch 10 core ipad, its closer to the mackbook M3 pro price point, so thats what the performance should be compared to, not the Macbook air M3 that most of these people have been comparing it to.
In all likelihood they will play the same trick with the new mackbook air M4 when its released, with the base model getting the Binned 9 core chips. and the 10 core only available if you spend closer to 2K for a 1TB version.
@@DavidHarry It will be interesting to see what the 9 core performance will be, but I dare say it will be yet another incremental upgrade, people have been tricked into thinking each instalment of the M series chip, will have the same performance gains as the M1 did over Intel macbooks, but they've had their epoch ARM on laptops moment, they cant repeat that, and so the performance gains cant be repeated.
I wouldn't be so bothered if their RAM and SSD pricing wasn't so disgusting and backward.
As of 17th May we are now seeing some direct comparisons between the 9-core 8GB vs 10-core 16GB models (esp. by Max Tech). SSD read and write speeds are considerably faster with the 16GB model. Having said that, in the majority tests, the differences between the 9 vs. 10-core M4 iPad Pros are essentially negligible. In the most demanding tests, the 10-core is around 4 to 12% faster; this maybe significant to some users, but I’d say overall it’s no concern for the regular user. Both M4 models appear to be a significant step up compared to the M2 series.
Yes, and some of the tests are suggesting that for CPU only tasks there is less than 10% difference. However, that shows a problem as less than 10% for the loss of a performance core would mean that it was less powerful than an efficiency core, which can’t be correct.
Here’s a comment I made earlier to one of my friends in the comments, you may find this interesting. He had worked out that the overall CPU processing loss was only 8%. Again, suggesting the efficiency cores being more powerful than the performance cores, which definitely is not the case.
BTW, Mike. As far as the 9 core vs 10 core thing is concerned. If the difference is only 8% and that’s for one performance core out of a total of 10 mixed cores. Then that 8% difference is less than the 10% difference that would be the expected in a “liner” loss of the overall processing ability if all the cores were the same, but they’re not. As this is a performance core, you’d expect the difference to be noticeably beyond 10%.
I would have expected the efficiency cores to be about a third of the processing ability of the performance cores and that the loss/difference of one performance core would be closer to about 16% of the overall processing ability.
I’m not sure that the benchmarking software is fully accounting for all the available processing power. Or maybe this is showing that iPadOS and/or the apps are not fully utilising all the processing ability of the SoC? Whatever it is, the loss of a performance core in a 4 performance core / 6 efficiency core configuration, should be a lot higher than 8%.
Here’s my basic math for my assumption.
1 x performance core is 3 x more powerful than one efficiency core.
Therefore, 4 performance cores are equal to 12 efficient cores.
Add the 6 efficiency cores to the equivalent of 12 efficiency cores that the 4 performance cores are equal to, equals 18 “units” of processing.
100 ÷ 18 = 5.55
5.55 being the percentage of the overall processing power that one “unit” is equal to.
So if one performance core is equal to three efficiency cores, this would be 3 x the “unit” value, which is 3 x 5.55 = 16.66, which is 16.66%.
A loss of just 8% from the overall processing ability for the one missing performance core would mean that the one missing performance core was less powerful than an efficiency core. The simple math for that assumption is if we class all the cores as being the same and there are 10 in total. Then even if they were all the same processing power, then losing 1 should equate to a 10% loss. However, the loss is only 8%, which means the core that’s lost was less powerful than an efficiency core and that’s if we accounted for the efficiency cores as being the same processing power as the performance cores.
I know these things are never linear in the real-world. However, real-world results would be worse than linear and the loss would be even worse.
I don’t get it
Cheers,
Dave.
Fear monger much? This from the guy who bought the iPhone 15 Pro Max that only has 2 performance cores with no SMT. Who gives a f about binning. Every semiconductor manufacturer does it. I used to work for one in the photolithography department. We used 8" wafers at my fab. Remember the Pentium. That was binned to 60Mhz down from the top end 66Mhz. 6 f'ing Mhz!!!
Apple is 2 years late on the iPad(any model). You should be happy they skipped the M3 and brought their product cycle back to where it would be if they didn't skip 2023. Lucky for the consumer they got their process together with their 2nd gen 3nm node. I'm sure they also are reacting to the Snapdragon X Elite hype and want to extend their performance margin and also advertise their lower power draw.
We're getting a M4 which is really going to end up being the M3.5. They decided to bin the performance core because they knew they couldn't start the base model at $1500 which was the original leak. The base model no longer gets the crap screen. Price had to go up.
We should never say we don't need RAM or storage. That always gets proven wrong. Genshin Impact has a huge file size. WZM is only small right now because it has no maps. They could easily change iOS to allow devs to use the extra RAM.
Just be happy the base model gets OLED. They also said they revised the cooling solution with better graphite sheets and the Apple logo has a copper plate on the inside of the housing. I for one am ecstatic those Magsafe rumors turned out to be b.s. We're going from 5nm M2 to 3nm M4 so maybe...just maybe...this chip won't be a throttling mess like your iPhone 15 Pro Max. They could have easily binned the GPU cores instead...which is what the MacBook Air buyers will have to contend with.
Alright, Mike.
I don't give a f about binning and I know why it's done. However, what I have a problem with is making a two tier system for a product that's not had it before and doesn't need it. It's just greed on Apples part, which isn't a surprise, but what is a surprise is seeing them do it with a product line that's already expensive.
I totally disagree with why you said they done the binning. This is obviously a result of already having the M4 stack in place and they've decided to gauge the iPad Pro by applying the type of scaling they would usually apply to the Mac range. This is one of the very realistic problems when using the same SoC for traditional "mobile" devices and also "serious" computers. Although, and none the less, it had nothing to do with price as Apple could simply have just set the bar at 10 core for M4 with the iPad and then move around that for their Macs.
As for RAM and storage, I totally stand by what I said. An iPad is not a Mac and its typical use does not require large RAM or storage. Yes, there will always be outliers, however, the vast majority of people are not doing "Pro" anything on their iPad Pros and the vast majority of apps simply don't require large RAM or storage. Anyway, my argument had nothing to do with RAM and storage, which I think are fine to have as options for those who think they need it on an iPad. My issues was that dropped a core on the CPU and used the binning to bump the core back into the equation by tying (artificially) to the RAM and storage. There should simply have been 10 cores on all models with RAM and storage options on top of that.
As for the OLED screen. I'd have been happy if they kept to the older screen and reduced the cost by $100. I've had the last three Pros and have not found any issues with their screens. lets face it, no one doing serious monitoring and decision making is doing it on a small screen.
As for that BS about MagSafe and couple of the other rumours, I agree, it's good that crap was only rumours. However, let's see if the chip/iPad throttles or if it's a mess like the iPhone. Saying that, my favourite device for the gaming is the S24 Ultra. Unlike you, I can't play with the FOV of the iPad. What's more interesting to me is the fact that with all that power and we know that the iPad will do 16:9 in Stage Manager, that Apple still completely ignore the gaming element on iPad. Between mirror mode and Stage Manager, there's an option for gaming that could suit everyone.
Are you getting one?
Anyway, I'm off. I've just installed WZM 3.5.1 on the iPhone, maybe it's available for Android now as well. And there's one last piece of BS. Activision made a noise about 120 degree FOV in the release notes for 3.5 but it's not here yet but will be at some point???? What a load of BS, these tech companies are all full of the same sh.t and will say and do anything to market their crap.
Cheers,
Dave.
@@DavidHarry They already had tiered iPad Pro's before. It's always had tiered RAM. Even though I use just above base model 11" Pro's, I buy my wife the 12.9" 1TB versions that have 16GB of RAM because she always needs the storage.
I'm sorry but the 11" screen quality is no where near the mini LED of the 12.9". I didn't like the LED on the Tab S7 and Tab S8, especially since I had OLED on my Tab S6. My Pro's look very ugly after using my Tab S9 OLED.
I had my M4 11" Pro ordered an hour after the Apple event. If it was a M3 I would have waited. However since they jumped to M4, confirmed the OLED panel, and confirmed they changed the passive cooling along with no Magsafe I pre-ordered. I also get $385 for trading in my M1 Pro.
As for WZM, I show the old 3.5.0 patch notes in my videos. It clearly states the 120 FOV is "later in the season". Not that I'll use it anyway. You're the one who thinks it's an advantage having fisheye...even though you die more often in your 120 FOV uploads. They also will continue updating the executions. Right now the thumbnails they use are incorrect.
I tested the 3.5.1 update yesterday on the M1 Pro. Didn't speed anything up. It did fix the missing blue dot on a JAK optic I stopped using in mobile. However it broke the camos in the gunsmith. You can't change camos now. It crashes back to the lobby.
@@Mike5GSR Alright, Mike.
The one thing the iPad Pros have never done is have variations in the base processing and that's the source of my issue. Yes, there's been more RAM and storage but that's only really been a thing since they changed from A to M processors and started using Mac SoCs. And there in lays the problem, building a "non pro" device with the guts of a "pro" device. Don't get me wrong, if the Pros were able to run macOS and all the typical heavy desktop apps, then I could see the sense in the processing variations. But you have to remember that an iPad is not a Mac and it sells mostly to a completely different customer base. My Mum has an iPad but could never use a Mac and I think it's very dangerous to have any given range of iPad were you can't guarantee processing consistency across all of a given range/series.
If the latest hotfix (3.5.1) isn't doing anything for the likes of the M1, then WTF are Activision up to. If these hot fixes are for specific devices then it seems like a waste of time and recourses to force them across all devices.
Anyway, f**k you with your fisheye comments 🤣 Once we get 120 FOV in DeX mode, I'll be like a pig in sh1t or a dog with two dicks 🤣 Plus who cares how many times I die, as long as I look good doing it 🤣 Seriously though, Mike. You and I do CZcams for different reasons, most of my game videos are done for views and all that 120 FOV BS stuff seems to get more interest.
Cheers,
Dave.
@@DavidHarry I don't get the lack of support for M1. You'd think it would be a priority since the current top end iPad Air's are M1. It feels to me this game is optimized for 1 device, the SD8 Gen3. It just happens that the M2 can brute force to match the quality settings of the SD8 Gen3. Except in the lobby. Android clearly looks better in the lobby because it doesn't have the temporal fizzle that iPad uses.
Activision isn't smart making decisions with WZM. The WZM store is terrible compared to console(which isn't that good). It's very difficult to find and buy skins...well technically impossible on WZM. On console you can find delisted skins in the Operator menu.
You can't progress through the Battle Pass easily like on console. No custom weapon blueprints. No firing range! At least I have consoles so I can test out gun attachments and then duplicate the loadout for WZM.
Don't sweat the 9 core binning. With the huge price delta between the 9 and 10 cores, we can safely assume the 9 core will be the standard. No one is going to optimize for the 10 core. You might as well just think of them as 9+. Just like no takes advantage of the 16GB of RAM.
Your 120 FOV uploads do seem to generate more views. Why just 120 degrees...why not 360 degrees? Those viewers are about as smart as people who think cranking everything down to low for more fps is an advantage. I bet you in my uploads all these people who I am easily circle strafing around and knocking with ease are probably using a fisheye FOV so I looked zoomed out on their screen so they can't aim properly at me.
@@Mike5GSR Alright, Mike.
Yes, the lack of M1 support is just lunacy. Out of all the M series Apple Silicon chips it's the one that's in more of the iPads compared to the M2. You are right, the game is definitely more optimised for SD8 Gen3. Playing on my Ultra is great, the frame rate at the same High settings is definitely better than the iPhone. Although the iPhone is a more powerful device, the lack of optimisation leads to all kinds of crap. I think the worse thing is frame times and pacing, the iPhone is a mess and you don't get smooth frame rates. the Ultra does the odd massive stutter every now and then, it's as if it's flushing cache or memory, but it is way smoother overall. The Ultra's graphics also look better at the same settings.
The M2 iPad is definitely the winner but as you said, it's likely to be down to brute force and there's probably a lot of processing power and efficiency being left on the table. None of which I would mind if the iPad would do 16:9 with games in Stage Manager. As far as I'm aware there are no games in full screen 16:9 on iPad, not even Apple Arcade games.
With regard the inconsistencies of WZ on mobile and console, it's swings and roundabouts. There's things that I can't stand about both and things I like about both. It's like everything else in life, you never get to keep your cake and eat it. However, I personally have more fun playing on mobile and at least I don't have to second guess anything about cheating (for now).
Yes, you are right, 9 cores is what developers will be using as a baseline. But I just can't get over how greedy Apple are and how they've managed to ignore their own consistency on a hardware platform that's been as perfect as a platform can be. While I have a lot of Apple stuff, I'm not into drinking the Apple Kool-Aid and I just see their stuff as tools. However, if I've got to be honest, I am an iPad FanBoy. Even when I was strictly on Windows for my computers and Android for my phone, I always had an iPad. I just think that historically they have been a device without any comparison. Although they are tablets, their whole simplicity and ease of use just makes them a different product to a typical tablet, in my opinion.
I think Apple have f**ked the iPad, or at least the Pro. I didn't mind when even the Pro was just an over powered version of any other iPad and had no aspirations of being a Mac. But Apple have blurred the lines too much now due to the hardware infrastructure and I think they should just give the Pro the ability to run macOS. Which is something that I was always against as macOS would turn it into a "computer" and not the fun, easy going device that it has been. It would be really easy. In standalone mode it uses iPadOS but if you connect a dock etc. it uses macOS. The iPad Pro is now a Mac in all but name and OS and some of the other iPads are going that way as well. Basically, Apple should stop f**king about with that car crash which is Stage Manger and they should concede defeat to Samsung, as DeX is way better and they should just go all in with a dual OS.
As for the whole 120 FOV thing. Just leave it alone, Mike. I'm basically a simpleton who's into simple sh1t and you won't get any sense out of me 🤣
Cheers,
Dave.
I understand your pain, but what to do there are enough isheeps who buy any product of them at any price.
This greedy company is not going to change till consumers stop buying.
I mean just how you can't make use of the 16GB of RAM you won't make use of the 4th performance core you can't even make full use of the M1 till now
People will complain in the new world of complaining, but the N3E is a new node, and yield will be lower now than in, say, six months. This means that if the yield is only 60% and Apple e-wastes the other 40%, the cost of the non-binned chips is much more expensive per unit as Apple pays per wafer. A greater than 50% price increase. A binned chip model is essential to lowering cost per unit.
What is your solution? More e-waste and higher prices? I am sure people will understand the reasons, as with the MB Air M3 with the same binning. Apple could have waited for the yield to improve, but that was a poor economic model. The M4 binned will be better than the M3, but if you want more performance, then buy the 1TB+ models. Most people will be coming from 5-7-year-old iPads, so the difference, even with the binned models, will be excellent.
You have to have a reason for being able to use a clickbate title and the 'loss' of a core is as good as any. In fact it will at least tell people that 'picking' the 1T or 2T versions doesn't only add storage but also working space and some extra cpu power if all they get from videos like this and its clickbate title thats not too bad makes you feel better if you get the 2T one..
@@scb2scb2 Just explaining that it is not likely a "scam"; just the way things work and you see it with Intel and AMD but done slightly different. Apple has comparison tables so it is not as if they are deceiving.
Hi Andy. Just remember that Apple did not do this for the M1 or M2 iPad Pro and both the M1 and M2 fabrications had issues with the yield and one point M2 was quite horrific. I don't have a problem with using binned chips, this is normal. However, when a chip is binned down then thus is not a problem. For instance, you need 10 cores, so you bin down a 16 core or 12 core down to 10, that's fine. But what Apple have clearly done here is to use the worst option as the entry level. Again, there were bad yields with M1 and M2 but Apple stuck with one CPU spec for all the iPad Pros regardless. And you want use the argument of "saving money", again, past iPad Pros prove this wrong. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry There is a crucial difference. The M1 and M2 iPads were released around six months after each chip came out in MACS. This had a two-fold benefit: 1/ Time for the yield to improve, 2/ Already a supply of chips as they had been manufactured for over six months already. With the M4 having a different roadmap, releasing in the iPads first, then these previous advantages are moot. There are other reasons I suspect, including the possibility that TSMC has issues with the CPU’s performance core QC, but these are unlikely to come to light. As Apple just turns a core off then I doubt they would do that without good reason as it would be a waste, as probably 66% of the iPad Pro M4 sold will be the 2-core CPU.
@@andyH_England Alright, Andy. With all due respect mate, that's just a load of bollocks. You are now sounding like a FanBoy who simply won't accept anything negative said about a company that doesn't give a sh1t about its customers. Do you seriously think that if they were getting high yields that the iPad would have been the first device with M4? Of course not! This is proof that they have deliberately chosen iPad Pro to get rid of the dodgy silicon with. Therefore, taking the absolute piss.
but M2 was already overkill for an ipad. so M4 with one less cpu core wont do much anyway.
remember games and more heavy tasks and more GPU and NPU bound than CPU intensive
The 9 core base M4 multicore scores are in and its 13,060, thats just 1,101 higher than the 8 core base M3, which was 11,959, thats just a 8.4 % performance increase, hardly mind blowing is it compared to the 18% increase of the £1600 10 core that they have been throwing around, yet the Apple PR department is in full force on internet forums trying to impersonate members of the public and saying how mind blowingly fast it is compared to the M1 ! 🙄 More hype for yet another incremental upgrade.
I can't stand the way that Apple didn't do any comparisons to the 9 core, which would have been a better real world comparison. Then again, the 9 core wouldn't have given them as much hype. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry As mentioned in our previous conversation they leaked the 10 core geekbench score before the 9 core on purpose, the 9 core binned chips will inevitably be in the base M4 Airs and so its disingenuous of them to compare the 10 core to the 8 core M3 Air. The 10 core 1TB Airs will probably be £1600+ Its really a M4 half pro chip, somewhere between the Base and the pro chips.
Apple are going to price themselves out of the market at some point with their tricks, they've already had to do a massive share buy back because iPhone sales are declining.
I hope when these 9 core scores are more widely reported, people will see the M4 for what it really is an incremental upgrade.
I'll be holding onto my M1 macbook for some time longer I think. Lowering RAM and SSD upgrades is the only thing which will entice me to upgrade.
@@rocketmunkey1 Alright. I totally understand what you are saying, however, I think it’s even worse than it looks. Yes, the 9 core is going to be the base config of some Mac, maybe, as you say, the Air. And this is where it gets really cynical, because they’ve used the release of the iPad Pro, a none Mac product, to determine and justify the entire range for the Macs. Given that in the past, at least for M1, they dropped a GPU core to differentiate the stack on the Airs. Using the CPU cores on the base version as the divider, is even more cynical than the usual Apple BS. Anyway, let’s see what happens. Cheers, Dave.
Binning chips is something just about every processor manufacturer does... where do you think i3, i5, i7 came from way back when. 3nm process is as high tech as it gets today. Yields on chips are not going to be 100%. So if they didn't bin their CPUs the base models would sell for $1899 and there would be shortages. There used to be a 5gb limit on app memory use in iPad OS but thats changed, an app can use 12gb or more. So if you are working on heavily layered images or video rendering you may be able to make use of that 16gb. For many pro users they won't notice the difference between 9 cores and 10 or 8gb vs 16gb of memory. You still get everything else and its still faster than an M3 chip.
Wont notice 9 cores vs 10 cores wont notice 8GB or Ram, so why are Apple boasting about the M4's 10 core performance if it doesn't matter, why are they not making it clear that the base model only has 9 cores and 8GB of RAM if it doesn't matter ???? You cant have your marketing and eat it I'm afraid !
@@rocketmunkey1 its apple. Intel has binned chips for decades, they are just bright enough to brand them different models, i3, i5, i7 for example. Apple fudges it by saying 'up to 10 cores'. The bottom line is not everyone wants to pay $500 more for 10 cores / 16gb and not everyone who wants a pro will ever notice the difference. Those who have high memory and processing workloads know who they are and what they need to buy. Essentially not all chips made had 10 working cores and 16gb of ram that passes their testing. So they added internal switches to the chip set those who fail as 9c/8gb chips. This significantly reduces waste and gives them processors to sell in their base models. Literally every chip maker on the planet does this. Apple just brands them all as M4... with an (up to 10 cores disclaimer). Apple has always been anti-spec... it took a long time before they would even list how much ram you got at all.
There are a lot (if not most) ipad users who use them as consumption devices. They want the oled screen but honestly will never get remotely close to bumping into the performance limitations of a 9c/8gb m4 or even the limitations of the M2. They also don't want to pay $1500+ for a tablet... and they shouldn't have to.
We can scream all we want that every chip should be a 10c/16gb model... but then they would cost $1500+ for an 11" ipad.
I'm glad you liked the video and you are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
Just 2 weeks ago everyone was excited for the M3 being rumoured for the iPad Pro. The M3 only has 8 cores. Now they put in the M4 with 9/10 cores, which exceeded most people’s expectations, and here we have people like you blasting them for giving you a binned version of it.
The fact remains that for MOST users, they wouldn’t need the 10 cores and that’s why it makes good business decision to give the binned 9 cores, which is already better than the M3, for the avg consumers. And only give the full 10 cores to content creators who would
1. Need the extra on device storage for video creation purposes
2. Need the extra RAM for faster rendering
3. Need the extra performance core for better workflow.
The normal guy who just buys the iPad Pro for casual recreation/simple work/drawing purposes does NOT require that 1 extra performance core dude. SMH
I'm glad you liked the video and you are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
I disagree with you on several points. If you do heavy intensive video edits 16gb ram will Def be needed. 16gb isn't relegated to just needing a full os. Most people that don't need the extra ram extra memory will not need the extra core. I wfh do simple 4k 1stream video edits and consume alot of media, the basic models work out well for me esp since they bump up memory to 256gb. My iPad pro m2 chip based model was already blazing fast so even if this model is 30 tp 40 percent faster than m2 that is still blazing fast.
Going by your logic, if you are doing intensive video editing, then you’d buy a Mac and do the job properly.
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
@@DavidHarry TELL THEM!!!!!
Apple is insane. I didn’t even expect such a pity. Okay, 2-3 cores, but literally 1 turned off. Just to make people buy extra storage/size. Soo stupid…
I don’t need the extra cores so i got the base model cellular. I have a 1tb m1 12.9 inch pro since it came out and i haven’t even reached 100 Gb in storage. I also only use my ipads for content consumption and yes i have money to waste 😂
that ram take is pretty bad. i daily a tab s8 ultra the 128gb 8gb ram model for art. i use clip studio paint and i use to normally use a 8k canvas now its 4k because in 8k you can only create a couple layers before you get a low ram warning. this ipad is made and promoted for productivity and your going to need all the ram you can get for video editing and art programs like csp and procreate. my biggest mistake was not buying the model with more ram. also compare it to the tab s9 ultra. its still overpriced af tho
iPadOS is a lot more efficient with its RAM compared to Android and the Apple Silicon SoC also has much better caching compared to Samsung and Snapdragon.
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
This has been a thing since at least the first M1 Macs. Maybe longer, And for awhile it was a memory bump on the Max with higher storage levels Nothing new here, The better question is why are you ordering a iPad Pro with minimal spec to begin with? If you're just watching movies on it and want the OLED screen, you're spending an awful lot of money for a tiny TV.
Hi Paul. I think you've missed the point of the video. Yes, Apple used binned chips but they never used binned chips in the previous iPad Pros to create two version of the CPU in the same range. Cheers, Dave.
With that price range, I would rather get a macbook. MacOS vs iPadOS is a no brainer.
Absolutely 👍
I was so happy when they released these new iPads. so as soon as I could, I went and ordered one for me. I don't need one terabyte and to be perfectly honest I probably don't even need 512 but that's the one I ended up ordering. And then I was made aware of the differences in the chip... and that really upset me. It's been on my mind ever since... this Apple scam really fucked up this whole experience for me. I'm supposed to receive my iPads today I don't I can think about is whether I wasted all that money anyway. They just fucked it up for me.
Yes, the small print gets you every time. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry I am going to keep it though, it arrived yesterday and the screen is good, and it looks amazing. In terms of performance, yes, it is snappy and all, but so are all new devices. To be perfectly honest, I don’t see mind blowing improvements over my iPad Pro from 2018. Definitely not like the gaps Apple would like you to believe. All in all, it is a nice device, but definitely not the moon and the stars Apple marketing hyped it up to be.
@marcinpawlik4474 Yes, that’s basically the conclusion I gave in my unboxing video. It is great but it’s not a huge difference compared to the previous couple of iPad Pros. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry Also, the benchmark tests as done by some other CZcamsrs seem to show that there is not much difference between those two chips anyway. Thanks for being kind and replying. Good luck to you.
@marcinpawlik4474 Hi. Yes, the extra core does not seem to make a huge difference. It a lot less of a difference than I was expecting, so I’m really happy about that. Thank you for your comments and I hope you enjoy your new iPad Pro 👍 Cheers, Dave.
Harry…agree with you 100%. I’m all apple but after every release they become greedier and greedier. My last year iPad Pro is garbage today, after only one year. This is out of control. Thank you
Hi. I agree, they are out of control. The big problem we have is that the big CZcamsrs will never say these things and the Apple FanPeople just don't want to know about any reasonable criticism. I still have have the M1 and M2 iPad Pros, I've got an M1 Mac Mini, MacBook Pro M1 Max, iPhone 15 Pro Max and SE Gen 3, the latest Apple TV and some other bits and pieces and pay apple £25 per month for a subscription and various Apple Care+ payments. Now I'm only saying all that just to show that I use Apple stuff all the time and I do a lot of videos about their stuff on my channel. But the one thing I am not is an Apple FanPerson (Although, I'm probably an iPad FanPerson, I really do love iPad 😆). I really wish that people would wake up to a lot of this greedy BS that Apple do, instead of just making excuses for them. Apple do not give a sh1t about any of their customers, so why do their customers treat Apple as if they are a member of their family or something. Anyway, rant over 😆 Thanks for your VERY reasonable comment 👍 Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry That’s why I love your channel….we need more voices like yours.
@@EugenBrinzoiu Nice one, thanks 👍 Cheers, Dave.
@@EugenBrinzoiu Nice one, Thanks 👍 Cheers, Dave.
This comparison is misleading to say the least and most all tech companies do the same thing as Apple but Apple gets noticed more than most because it’s the largest.
I'll just get an iPad Air M1 256gb once the prices full further second hand.
For general day to day stuff there won't be any difference and the M1 iPad Pro is a great tablet 👍
@@DavidHarry I'll be getting an iPad Air 256gb for Logic basically.
Are the extra cores even noticeable?
Also, are there going to be any iPad apps that state the minimum requirements are the 10-core M4 & 16GB ram, and the 9-core M4 & 8GB ram is not good enough ? - I doubt it.
Of course they are. If core count did not matter, then why would any manufacturer use multi-core CPUs?
@@DavidHarry The question was if it is noticeable. You answered that it matters. Nobody questions that they matter.
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
Feels like you're looking at it backwards. Isn't it a scam to pay way more and get 1 more core that you're not even sure how much of a difference is pre-launch anyway? You said early in the video that 8 GB ram vs 16 GB RAM is not important. Ok, do you have any data to support the claim that the one extra core would unbalance the price per performance? ( which would be how much do you pay per core, considering the core's performance given the 9 core vs 10 core scenario ). We don't even have that data yet, because it's not out.
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
@@DavidHarry I never had an ipad and I am not an apple fan. I guess yt recommended the video cuz of the news. You said a lot but you didn't really address my point sadly. I am not very interested in the history of apple, I am saying that you draw big conclusions from hypothesis. There's no testable proof that the 9 cores wouldn't be better price per performance than buying the larger sized one. Therefore, your video is just reactionary for the purposes of what...? Pleasing people that hope this is true? Why not wait to see if you are right before making statements? You also started your comment with being defensive. That's a very good way to not talk about the main point and derail conversations, intentionally or unintentionally.
@@valentinrafael9201 My point has nothing to do with price to performance.
@@DavidHarryNo. my point was that the ratio matters and calling it anything right now is reactionary and attention-grabbing. You can of course reply to comments without addressing the point of the comment, but idk how that leads to any meaningful conversation.
They don't care they're in the game to make money that's it.
That's right.
I almost just purchased the 1tb than I seen this video
Binned and in binned chips yup!
They did it before with the m1 iPad Air and pro. Personally I don’t see it as a big issue, way better than being on m3 anyway. Just feels like fake outrage to drive clicks when it isn’t going to make a noticeable difference in 99% of everyday tasks or pro workloads on an iPad.
Also the double stacked oled drives up the cost by a wide margin, the newer m series chip too but it seems like they partly did it to make it be more different than the iPad Air.
Apple have never used binning on the Pros to split the stack and use it to charge more. Yes, they use binned chips all the time and without advertising it but the end result is the same spec whether the SoC is binned or not for particular devices. To be clear, I don't have a problem with binned chips I have a problem with splitting the performance across a range that should have the same CPU/processing capabilities. So no, it's not "fake outrage". If you think that losing 25% of the performance cores won't be noticeable in 99% of everyday workloads............ Also, the new screen has nothing to do with anything.
@@DavidHarry it is 1 core. Won't make muxh of a difference considering the biggest performance indicator is single core performance when it comes to most cpu tasks. And even then in most workloads I doubt it will make that much of a difference. It really depends on optimisation etc, the rog ally and steam deck have similar power at 15 watts despite the core count differences and archetecture difference. I dunno if loosing 1 core will do much tbh.
I mentioned oled because you were complaining about the price in another comment thread. The price is pretty high but they added a lot of fancy stuff to make it more enticing. Though imo they are pricing em a bit too high.
@@oo--7714 Hi. The multiple cores are definitely used for multitasking and there are certain apps that will scale with more cores, especially the performance cores. If it were any different and going by your logic of “there won’t be much of a difference”, then why not just have a single CPU core SoC.
As for the price. I agree with you. Yes, it’s a high price but it’s an Apple device and they are never cheap. However, they are bumping the specs quite nicely, as well as the new screen, they are bumping up the minimum storage as well. Although, I too would prefer that they lowered the price a bit.
Cheers,
Dave.
I respect fair discussion, but to call anyone who disagrees a delusional “Apple Fanperson” is a terrible way to convey your point. I don’t see any respect for opposing opinions here.
I'm glad you liked the video and you are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry 😄 no thanks. Have a good day
And they called osama an international criminal? (I paid 2200$ for the 2 gb cellular nano texture glass)
I'm glad you liked the video and you are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
Isn’t Intel selling cheaper CPU using the same method.
Yes but Apple use it as an excuse to raise the price.
But its thinner than ipod nano!
That right there is what they call a “quality of life improvement” 🤣 There’s a few things that I’m not happy about with this iPad, I just hope that making it thinner doesn’t impact on its thermal performance and throttle the SoC. Hope you’re well 👍 Cheers, Dave.
It'll make your wallet thinner than an iPad Nano...
@@Threlly Best comment so far 🤣
it's not a scam! that 1 CPU core and +8 Gb ram is needed to utilize the 1-2 Tb storage
The extra CPU core has nothing to do with the RAM or storage. The lack of CPU core is due to binning.
@@DavidHarry Yes it does! The higher the storage the more ram is needed! That’s why every SSD or NVME for PC comes with its own DDR memory…And the memory controller requires more CPU power when the storage capacity is high that’s why the extra cpu core is for…you can google it…and it’s not a scam when you pay less.
Yes, you are correct. More RAM is 100% needed with higher storage. We have seen that on older iPad Pros, where Apple mentioned that fact. So, his take on RAM needs to be more fair and correct. 16GB is valid for apps like Procreate with multiple layers, Final Cut Pro, and Logic Pro. That 16GB rant is nonsense as there are many pro apps, and maybe they are not what he uses, but Procreate can easily bust 8GB of RAM, and creator apps work better with more RAM. And, of course, with shared RM between GPU and CPU, 16GB of RAM for gaming and multitasking is positive; we know the latest mobile AAA games use 6-7GB of RAM alone!
@@andyH_England The amount of RAM has nothing to do with the amount of storage, they are not mutually associated. Plus, you’ve missed the whole point of the video, it’s not the difference in RAM and storage that I was going on about, but the fact that we now have two different specifications for the CPU processing ability on the same version of an iPad.
@@DavidHarry Read my own comment on why Apple has to do this. My response was to the comment.
So, this is "tech channel" has never heard of binning? Were you born yesterday?
I’m glad you liked the video and you are very welcome 👍
Apple is definitely taking the piss..........So they can sell it back to the users for twice the price. Apple iPiss is the next big thing.
iPiss 😆👍
@@DavidHarry lol!
@@DavidHarry Hah !!! 😅🤣😂
Don't buy it! Apple is a business for sure!!!
Don't buy it. Apple is a business.
I'm glad you liked the video and you are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
I do need the 16g because of daVinci resolve
Yes, the odd "Pro" app will use more RAM if available. However, there are very few apps on iPadOS/iOS that even tax 8GB, let alone 16GB. While I agree that larger RAM and storage options should be there for those who want and need them. The basic CPU specifications should be the same for all the models in any range. Or look at it this way, Apple have not done this before with the iPad Pro. Cheers, Dave.
then just get a macbook pro lol
@@DavidHarry So the very few people who need (or want) all the cores, all the space and all the memory are only a few 'pro' people .. guess thats why they made a version for them that cost more money. The whole 'but a ipad should always have the same number of cores' is just personal view to call something a scam. They also never jumped a cpu like this before so what would you prefer a M3 with 10 cores or a M4 with 9 cores. The fact they use the ones with perfect cores and no need for binning for the people who are willing to pay the most makes perfect sense to me. Given that its the first m4's on a new fab process they have lower yeilds so this seems a totally nice way todo it for now. Let people who want and can afford it pay extra to compensate for the yeild numbers.
@@shazmimain8293 fact people don't want to admit to is if people are willing to spend 3k or more on a ipad they most likely also have other toys like macbook pro's ...
@@scb2scb2 So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
I think the extra rom and cores is for 1 tb and 2tb memory management
Hi Daniel. The extra core is not needed for storage or memory management. This is simply Apple creating a two tier system for the CPU on iPad Pro so that they can get rid of the defective 9 core silicon. You have to remember, this has never happened before on the M1 or M2 iPad Pros, so no matter what excuses you may read in the comments as to why Apple are doing this. You have to remind yourself that they never did it with previous iPad Pros even though there were still yield issues with the silicon for M1 and M2. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry i have a m1 iPad Pro with 256 gb and 8gb rom the 1tb version comes with 16gb rom so I taught the extra rom is for storage management
@@danielworrell3438 Hi Daniel. No, that's not why there's extra RAM or storage. The reason for the extra RAM and storage is because those chips (SoC system on chip) were designed for the Macs, which are designed to scale up with RAM and storage beyond the basic CPU and GPU configuration. Don't forget, you cant add any RAM or internal storage on Apple Silicon Macs, which is why Apple have the variations on the RAM and storage so you buy the right one at the time of purchase. The iPad Pros simply inherited the SoC chips that were designed for the Macs. You'll find that for any configuration of an M1 or M2 iPad Pro, there is a Mac desktop or MacBook with the exact same configuration, because the iPad Pros are just using the same SoCs/chips. Cheers, Dave.
My instinct kept telling me no, don't get it. There's a disturbance in the force..... Now I know why. 9-core really?! No comparison from apple for this spec. I feel you David Harry!
Now you know how I feel having ordered one 😆 I will always be wondering what I could have done with that extra CPU core but there’s no way I was paying an extra £600/$600 for just one CPU core and a bunch of memory and storage that I don’t need. Cheers, Dave.
This video is just a whinge-fest bore 😮💨
You argue that most users won’t need 16GB RAM or the higher storage tiers, then cry that the base model only gets 3-performance cores.
If you don’t need 16GB RAM or the higher storage tiers, you probably don’t need the extra performance core.
Apple have been doing this to the Mac for years, so it should hardly be a surprise to you that they’re doing it with the iPad.
It’s not a scam and it’s not daylight robbery. At the end of the day, you are not being forced to buy Apple products.
You are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
Change your name to Dirty Harry 😂😂😂
"Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" 😆
Ipad is the most useless tech product ...
You are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
It’s not a scam if it’s explicitly stated in the description of the item. Don’t know wat u’re on about
I'm glad you liked the video and you are very welcome 👍 Cheers, Dave.
They’re just throttled same chip, sales tactic.
Hi. Maybe you're right, however, my guess is that the 9 core is a binned 10 core that was faulty. Maybe someone does a deep teardown when they are released and we find out. Cheers, Dave.
No, it’s not a scam. Every company does the same thing. You’re just being a jerk about it.
You've completely missed the point. Apple never done this for M1 or M2 on iPad Pro. They may have used a binned yield on the previous M1 and M2 iPad Pros but they would have been binned down from a higher spec chip and meant that all M1 iPad Pros had the same core count and processing ability, as did M2 iPad Pro. Apple are obviously doing this with M4 iPad Pro so that they can use defective silicon. So I guess it's you who is the jerk. Cheers, Dave.
@@DavidHarry and these are likely binned down too. Intel and AMD do the same thing. Half of their processors are binned down versions. So what? I don’t get the point. The less expensive versions of these have one less core. That’s how it should be. That’s how the entire computer world works.
@@melgross So before the Apple FanPeople get all bent out of shape and triggered and start making the usual excuses for a company that doesn't care about it's customers. Yes, binning of silicon is normal, all processor companies do it. However, the previous M1 iPad Pro and M2 iPad Pro did not use binning to create two different CPU configurations for their processors (SoC).
This is a first for iPad. Yes, Apple have had different storage and RAM variations within the iPad Pro series but they never had differences in the CPU core count within any given series of iPad Pro, or any iPad for that matter.
On the point of RAM. Don't get all hung up on my reference to it. The simple fact is that the vast majority of apps designed for iPad are designed to run with the minimum amount of RAM as possible and well below 8GB. It's a different story for macOS, as this has many apps/software that are designed to run on as much RAM as the host computer can provide.
And for anyone who is doing any serious creative work, video, music etc. Using any laptop of a comparable price to any particulary spec'd iPad Pro, will always yield better results. Seriously, there's a load of reasons why people use Windows or macOS.
My opinion of what's going on here is that Apple have obviously had yield issues with Apple Silicon M4 and they've used the new iPad Pro to get rid of all their initial bad silicon. Hence the 9 core version vs 10 core version.
And don't forget, the missing core is a performance core. Which equates to 25% less processing for the main processing tasks that the performance cores take care off. If you think that this won't be missed, then you really do need to reassess your understanding of the central processing unit of any computing device.
Here's a few more points for the Apple FanPeople to consider before they make their usual excuses and ill informed, deluded comments.
The new display has nothing to do with anything, so stop using it as an excuse to balance whatever weirdness makes sense in your head about any kind of trade off vs price.
The new M4 iPad Pro has had a sizeable price increase, so no, reducing the core count isn't an excuse for a cheaper entry level.
We are also missing a microphone, a camera and lens and bunch of other stuff, so why is this not reflected in the price?
We are not on the latest WiFi or Bluetooth technology and there's a bunch of other old tech being used, so again, why is this not reflected in the price?
Blah Blah Blah....
I can see David Harry's point to some extent. The issue, as it seems to me, is that Apple represents the M4 chip as 10 cores "straight up", and it's only evident in the fine print that you get the full 10 cores in the 1 and 2 TB models. So it would be much more honest if they just said M4 is 9 cores, but you can get a bonus of 10 cores in the more expensive models. Having said that, barring we have not yet seen A/B benchmark testing, I'm assuming that in only the most extreme cases would an iOS app "spit the dummy" if you don't have the M4 10-core 16GB iPad Pro model. In other words, is it really that much of a difference in real world tasks ?