Big TRADE incoming? - Raptors Analyst Proposes Potential Path for Toronto | Toronto Raptors News
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- The Toronto Raptors are in a tough position after losing their lottery pick in this year's NBA draft, and a Raptors analyst proposed a potential solution that would involve a very significant trade. Ben Rogers breaks down the proposition of trading Jakob Poeltl to tank next season.
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There’s this misconception that we were bad only after Scottie went down and OG/Pascal were traded but that’s not true! We were struggling to be a 500 team with OG, Pascal and Scottie. The fit just wasn’t working. There’s a reason why we only won 3 games in a row close to the end of the season and couldn’t do it when Pascal, OG and Scottie were on the floor together. People underestimate fit. It’s the same reason RJ looks better on the Raptors because he fits better with this group over the NY group. Just because Pascal and OG are playing well on their teams it doesn’t mean they could have won anything as a group here because that fit wasn’t working. There’s a reason why Nurse couldn’t do anything with that same group the season before. This myth that the raptors suck now because they got rid of Nurse, OG and Pascal is not true. They were bad with all of these guys here which signals fit issues with that core.
Too many people are using Darko as a scapegoat as if this team was good the season before he got here. Derozan who everyone said couldn’t get it done here ended up exposing that core which was telling. Even after that core crap the bed we told ourselves ohhh “it’s all Fred and Nurse’s fault” Fast forward to a new season and that core could even put together a 3 game winning streak and of course it was time to find another scapegoat instead of looking at the possibility of fit not working!!!!Sure Pascal was putting up allstar numbers, sure OG was defending like crazy, sure Barnes won Rookie of the year but did they mesh as a unit or just putting up individual stats ? 🤔
OG is officially an injury prone player. I was a big OG guy because I’m a fan of tough defenders especially in this era of basketball where there are so few(thankfully the nba is changing rules to allow defensive players to thrive). Trading him will pan out in the long run same with the Siakam deal.
@@AlSemzin the long run? It’s already panned out.
SB and Pascal were two of nine NBA players averaging at least 22 ppg, 6 rbg and 5 apg. Naw, the coach didn't properly utilize his roster on the offensive or defensive end. Darko had no incentive to focus on OG or PS... he was all about SB being the #1 option and face-leader of the team. GD was being given minutes he didn't earn nor deserve early in the season. GTJ didn't have a defined role. Pascal was seemingly told not to post up and cut then go stand in the corner. After trading OG the Raps should have kept Pascal because his return was less than what OG brought back. Poeltl, Siakam, Barnes, RJ, IQ is a solid starting 5 to build a bench around. Darko couldn't win with talent how's he gonna win with less talent in 2024-25? The Raps will struggle to be a .500 team next season. More Pizza Parties?
OG is still OG though. Watching the second round from the locker room while nursing another injury.
not really. They didn't give enough time to let RJ and Quickly gel with Siakam. OG is too injury-prone, and the playoffs confirmed it. The only bad move was to move Siakam.
It wasn't heartbreaking, it was great! We keep it this year, we lose it next year, and next year's draft is looking stronger.
If we kept this years pick we’d still have next years pick top 6 protected. The only reason people call it a stronger draft is because the top end guys have more upside. Unless we completely tank again next year which I don’t see us doing the “stronger draft” stuff doesn’t apply. There was no reason for us not to want to keep this pick imo
@@RISTWO yea and the team would be pigeon holed into losing to keep a pick if it doesn’t covey again it keeps going until it changes to 2 seconds I think in 27. It was horrible for the team especially when the east it terrible. The team had to basically be a g league team due to injuries to get 45% chance at the 6 pick. If you can’t see that’s a terrible place to be time to wake up lol.
The 25 draft is considered a good draft because of how deep the pool is. It’s not just the top 4-5 players.
This years draft is compared to the year Bennet went first overall. Good news of that is players like Rudy gobert went late so maybe some hope we find something at 19 and it will only cost about 3 mil per season.
@@AlSemz I think either way were kinda in a pigeon hold, either we didn’t have full access to our first round picks for years to come or were gonna have to tank again next year to get a good pick, and I don’t think the players or coach’s are gonna want to punt away another season.
I very much disagree with next years draft being deeper. Ive been in my scouting bag for well over 6 months now and I’m my opinion you can find a quality roll player anywhere 1 - 30. I think personally that this draft class is gonna have some crazy revisionist history in the future. Just so many guys that’s gonna have very long careers
lol go ahead a try to rationalize losing a pick in a tanking year 😂😂😂
Bro we should have never made the trade in the first place
The Raps aren’t tanking….they have a good looking starting line up. It’s disrespectful to all the players on your roster….i can’t understand this tank BS unless the record is within a game or two.
ya they won 3 games once all season, the got a world beater roster. plan the parade now lol.
@benrogers you missing the zach edey videos of him turning heads at the combine hitting deep threes.
Why are you so hung up on this draft pick. The top 4 picks in this year draft would have been outside the top 10 in next year draft. Also it’s better to have the potential of trading picks than picking a player in a weak draft lottery year
Because raptors fans are delusional. They cried about this draft pick. 8th in the weakest draft in a decade
raptors are in rebuild man, they wont be trading picks lol. what you gonna do trade 4 picks for 1 player that wont get you out of 1st round and then start a rebuild with no picks? look what trading a pick got you also, danny ainge saw agbaji cant shoot and dumped him cuz he knows he wont be able to shoot. so agbaji is gone after next year when his contract is up.
I don't know if Josh Lewenberg has noticed, but tanking doesn't work. Charlotte, Detroit and Washington all tanked but Atlanta got the 1st pick. Philly went through the "Process" for 5 years and all they have to show for it is a constantly injured Embiid and numerous early playoff exits. Toronto's most successful run was devoid of any lottery picks.
Well, Was got the 2nd pick. This year thats unlucky, next year is Bailey or Harper. Rather get than than lose in PI
philly got a generational player well worth it rather than building around jrue holiday
OKC is happy they did it, Orlando too.
Tanking doesn’t mean the top pick or bust. It’s about getting the best chance to acquire the best draft talent as possible. It’s A LOT easier to do that with high picks than lower picks. People also mistake just being a badly managed team with tanking. If you’re a badly managed team, no amount of tanking will hep you (Detroit, Charlotte, etc).
Josh is hat trash reporter.
Losing the pic was not heartbreaking, I’m actually so relieved that it’s finally gone
Whatttttttttttttt
Exactly
Andre Drummond is only 30 holyyyyt
In considering the tank, Masai also needs to keep an eye on potential expansion teams. Not only does it eat into top of the draft, but it also might result in us only protecting a few squad players. Don’t disagree with trading away Poetl, but we still need a starting big, maybe Big Val?
dont worry outside of scottie barnes, rj, iq, and gradey dick, no one on the team is worth protecting lol. rest of team is pure trash.
Any news from Josh or these other crappy Raptors media are hot garbage.. never take what they report as actual news but more of a wild guess.
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Trade Jak and not get a C? I cannot think of a more efficient way to destroy team morale.
That tank may end up lasting a lot longer than planned as key guys bolt asap.
Agreed. Especially if FAs don't really want to come here in the first place.
They say Toronto is too cold, then end up in NY. Few want to admit it's about money from their Canadian income taxes. If the league believes in equity so much, they should hand it Toronto's way. Raptors start deepest in the hole.
@illDefine1 I could only find 2019 data but Raps do face the highest income tax in the league(53.53%) but California is very close at 52.65%.
Comparing those to states like Florida and Texas with minimal tax burdens makes me surprised teams from those states are not in the finals every year.
@@user-en4qz1gk9p Yeah some differences are not as steep as I thought. It is easier to make up the money in cali with endorsements though, even as a tertiary player. Altogether, I still believe Toronto would be a much more desirable destination with league average income tax rates.
@@user-en4qz1gk9pso the high income tax in places like New York and Cali is mitigated by the size of those markets and what they provide. In fact it’s more lucrative there. Toronto doesn’t have this, so players get paid the least there. Combine that with bad weather and nobody wants to come.
@@jadynhasstupid2275Toronto literally has the 6th largest market in the nba. The weather in Toronto is similar to Chicago, and not too far off New York.
If the Raptors are a play in team next year, they might have a chance of breaking into the top 5 much like Atlanta getting #1 as a play-in team. Anything is possible now, no more shadow of another team they owe a pick to. It's lowkey just a better situation.
Love how just a few years ago everyone was shitting on Philly for tanking for top picks and now its all good 🤦🏾♂️
Im still shitting on the process. It didn't work. Tanking doesn't work in getting a championship. It might get you a high pick, but so what. The teams who are successful build chemistry and play together. Then try to get the superstar to get you over the hump, super teams, big 3 teams haven't worked since miami.
Totally agree
Just finished watching this morning 'The Hoop Collective' from ESPN and they explained it best re the Raptors losing out on this years high draft pick.
It now carries over to next years draft which many have said that it will be a much stronger draft year, so maybe the lost of the draft pick is a bad news good. news story.
Can we please get an above the rim protector??
We got 3 of 5 starters so far…finish the job Masai!
I'd include Jacob as a star for us
The raptors are a good team, They were on a win streak until scottie got injured. If we can land Bronny as a steal if possible that would be cool or a good scoring PF/C off the bench to compliment the team.
lol bronny is not a scoring threat lol. he is like a jalen mcdaniels but probably worse coming in as a rookie lol.
Now that the pick has conveyed, it now gives the office more flexibility for trades as they have control over next years pick.
Yeah, cause the last trades were good right? Besides OG's one, the rest since KL are shit (maybe GTJ and Lowry are decent, the rest are bad or filler)
@@PabloSkawer you can stay with this negative vibe. We have Scottie, Rj, iq and Gradey… building around them is not going to be that difficult. It took Denver 8 years after drafting joker to get a chip. I will remain patient with a reasonable mindset. Teams aren’t rebuilt in a year.
@raptors digest so ben rogers strategy is while teams tanking all year for cooper flagg, ben wants to tank only in the 2nd half so they get a bad pick not in the top 13 so the rebuild will be 6 years instead of 4.
I wouldnt trade jak. Yes were going young but not everyone has to be 22. Jak is a stabilizing presence and teams never go straight from missing playoffs to champs. You gotta get your foot in the door first with a 6-8 seed and jak will help us do that
At some point Poelt is gonna ask out, he hasnt played PO in 5 years and he isnt gonna wait 2 years until we get back
nah trade jakob poeltl now while he gets you a 1st round pick. as he gets older you will have to give up a 1st to move him as jak slows down. jak wont be around when raptors ready to compete in 4 years anyways.
You either tank from the beginning or don’t tank. No middle of the season crap.
There is no way I think we should tank ! I agree with you ! What type of message are we sending to the main core of this team if we tank ! Would IQ , RJ and Scottie we happy , I don't think so ! I do wish we could come up with a better center then the one we have like even a Jonas V.
@ben rogers also you missed a key article while you were away. I think its on sports illustrated or by aaron rose. but he found out raptors were in touch with magic learning from the lessons of their rebuild. so it tells you the raptors rebuild is not a 1 year event but in reality 3-4 year event.
so dont fan the fires of a false reality the raptors are gonna make playoffs next year because that isnt what masai is telling us. grange even tried to get him to admit if they were tanking next 2 years but no gm is gonna say that outright. masai told us in a politically correct way, raptors are in rebuild and they are not 1 year events. masai even said they can be 6 year events if they are slow.
Masai and Bobby should try to form the Monverde Raptors:)) i dont think it would be too difficult to get Moody from GSW and u just gotta convince Detroit to build around Ivey and Duren anyways:)
Ayeee 😭
Wondering what is going to be there at 19? Carter? Tyler Smith? Missi? Filipowski?
Josh Lowenberg is a very good netball analyst
Teams are going bigger. Small ball is dying. 7 footers are going to be very valuable. Our record is much better with Jak… why trade now? Also rockets and Memphis are shopping their picks, just to show how underwhelming this years draft is.
This is just ridiculous, tanking doesn't make sense and trading away a really good center is just nonsense. I believe that our guys and group of people will be better as chemistry will be be better and if we dismantle again chemistry will get ruined. Give them a chance if anything I see Brown being traded for some role players or move up in the draft but we let's give the players we have now chance
they won 3 games once all season, lets plan the parade next year lol.
Its not a matter of Raps wanting Yak out, its that Yak wants out. He doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild
why does everyone think we are gonna be bad next season. dont underestimate the boys.
Because if we aren’t we lost our pick for nothing
It all depends on Scottie and RJ taking a leap. We need at least one guy that can't be guarded and that's somewhat consistent. If they are the same as last year, we are bad.
Preach Brother.
@@thomasmontgomery805 This makes zero sense, we now have a guranteed draft pick in the coveted 25' draft. We also now have the ability to trade our draft picks if they wanted to.. Thats right when your picks are owed to a team for multiuple seasons, you cant trade them until you know if they're conveyed yet..... So now that we conveyed the pick, we control our picks again through 27'. So we have a guratneed pick regardless of whether we do good or not next season and control of the assests to leverage any trades if something came up.... FLEXIBILTY! Cap space, trade assests, and a young roster... we are in a solid spot... we still have 2 picks this year... those guys at the top of this draft are not worth 7-10 mil of guarnteed money for 4 years...The reports are coming out saying, that possibly 4 guys could go number 1 because theres no clear cut oustanding talents in this draft..
@@fringe_minorityRJ and Scottie had goods seasons and we were crap with them playing well. You’re looking at the wrong players that really need to improve for us to be good. The like’s of Gradey Dick, Quickley, Agbaji ect is who you need to take that next step up more than anything. Sure Scottie and RJ need to keep getting better but if you expect them to get better and carry dead weight then this team is going to be 💩 again. Masai and Bobby also need to bring in players that can actually contribute.
another next year draft pick would be nice, people say it's a strong draft
With only 2 draft picks I think we need to draft a young center and a back up point guard
Get pg's from the undrafted, there's too many 6 footers playing ball to spend a pick on someone
@ben rogers you are not gonna get good young pieces for jakob poelt or bruce brown or boucher lol. you trade them for picks. let the players develop and play hard but not win games because they are not good enough. reality is say you traded 3-4 picks for 1 player, do you think the raptors are contenders? no they are not, they are play in or 1st round bounce. so you didnt want to be mid with siakam og and fred, but its ok to get rid of 3-4 first round picks for a player to be mid and then be in a situation where you are in a rebuild with no pick lol.
also jakob poeltl is too old now, by the time raptors are ready to contend, he will be too old and slow to be a part of this team. so its best to trade jakob poeltl while he still has value. do you think a 30 year old jakob on the slide downwards that is slower is gonna get you a 1sts round pick lol.
trading a pick also showed you no one is gonna give you anything good for a 1st. look at agbaji, he cant shoot and is why ainge got rid of him. of agbaji is likely gone next year after his contract is up.
besides scottie barnes needs a few years of development still. barnes cant even create his own shot cuz he cant ball handle well enough.
so there you have it ben. trade jakob poeltl, boucher, brown, and let gary walk and bottom out for 2025 high pick. it doesnt mean the players wont play hard, they just wont win games because they have to improve. thats the reality of the raptors in 2025.
an no free agents coming to toronto that are good.
Injury prone bigs are a dime a dozen in the NBA. If any team trades for him he is likely getting waived.
Agree with your approach but would make Jan 31 my deadline. If you are not 8th at that time you got to think about it? If you are not 10th roll the tank out.
If you trade Jak now MLSE should give ticket refund. Also bad for IQ, RJ and Scottie.
I think we should explore trading Poetl for Clakson. I think throwing in a second round pick for us should be a fair deal for both parties.
Trade Jacob for a top 20 pick. Trade Boucher for a late first. Draft Edey at 19 . Boom. I bet OKC would trade for Jacob they have a million picks and need a traditional C
2024-25 is the Raptors 30th anniversary. MLSE has events planned all season long plus merchandise to sell. A tanking team will defeat the purpose and make fans lose interest- especially casual fans. SB, RJ and IQ want to win not tank. Once SB gets paid he will force a trade rather than stick around for a long rebuild. Siakam went years playing without a true center and now Lewenberg is suggesting doing the same to SB? Pascal, Achiuwa and OG are thriving away from Toronto. So, why would the Raptors tank next season? To end up like Detroit? The draft lottery shows that the NBA powers that be don't reward tanking. Somehow, Masai better move Brown, filler for Andrew Wiggins, filler and bring in CoJo as the back up pg. GTJ looks Orlando bound in my mind.
Embrace the tank
Poeltl will not be traded this summer. His presence will help IQ and Scottie further develop. BUT I agree, next year at the deadline, Masai may very well yank the plug and trade Poeltl. And I guarantee that the return will be more than Castle or Knecht - i.e. guys we could have drafted if we didn't trade for Poeltl.
Claxston should be on our radar
Worst idea ever
No he should not. He's worst than Jak lol
Lets here your master plan?
I trust Masai to find a hidden diamond with our later picks he nearly always strikes gold. We would have done much better this season if we hadn't had that cheating bastard on the payroll playing against us for the sake of gambling. He should have been criminally charged rather than being allowed to slither out of town a free man. That being said tanking from the get go is not our culture, it's not the city's culture, it's not our national culture. Let's go out to win every game and let the buckets fall where they may.
Ujir should be charged. Alone with Webster . Two losers.
100% trade him for picks and a young guy, see if we get a decent deal on Mr buddy from Brooklyn.
Bobby Webster is the GM. Not sure how many times we need to say that 😅
What’s that?
Pray we can draft Tyler Smith and Ryan Dunn and keep it rolling. We fumbled this season and I don’t think anyone’s gonna want to trade for JAKS 20 mill
Looking to build another losing season now it’s absolutely insane. Tanking is hard. Losing games takes a moral toll on your players. Also, you’re literally throwing away an year of everyone salaries. All of this for a rookie in 2026? Crazy shit
This is ridiculous. Raps are not trading Yak after just losing the pick for him. My guess is still trying to move Brown's TO for piscks or maybe moving Chis/Jalen for cap space.
you smoking crack, you not getting picks for brown lol. no one is gonna trade for mcdaniels lol. chris boucher might get you a 2nd round pick.
look at it it this way, jakob poeltl as he gets older will slow down and you wont get a 2nd rounder for him then. and jakob wont be on the team when they are ready to compete in 3-4 years. so dumping jakob now while he still has value is smart.
@giovanni-ed7zq we're talking about Yak here. He is super slow to begin with. Raps just didn't give a pick for them just cause he was just another veteran player. They got him cause they knew what they're getting compared to a hypothetical prospect they can get like Coulibaly/Walker. Even if he slows down past 31yo, that is not his game. He is great at roll scoring and passing out of the post/ top of the key handoff assists. He was never a big switcher to begin with on D so we can keep him as defensive anchor.
Teams trade picks for vets all the time, and this was best for Toronto because we don't get players like him in FA. There may be others moves to get future picks but I'd be really surprised if Yak is moved
@@realshehrkhan you dont realize when players slow down they cant switch lol. he gonna turn into a nurkic basically. so the likely hood of poeltl being on the team when the raptors young guys have developed to compete in the playoffs is zero after his contract is up. so in a rebuild as masai said the raptors are in, they are not 1 year events. masai said they can be 6 years. so raptors in rebuild can trade jakob poeltl since they are in rebuild and dont need him. means raptors get higher picks as they rebuild for a good 3-4 years.
@@realshehrkhan like i said, go listen to bobby webster interview, there is no mention of jakob poeltl as being part of core or veteran leadership moving forward.
I have called for the Raptors to trade Jakob Poeltl in the past, because I believe he's really not very good. A way we could get back into the top 5 in the draft would be to trade Poeltl for one of those top picks. The Hawks don't seem like they'll draft Sarr, considering they have multiple starting caliber Center's already and there is no faith in that front office to trade either of them, so instead would be to target pick 2 from Washington. They desperately need a starting caliber center, which the raptors would be giving them. It would also have to involve other picks and players but I honestly have a feeling it could possibly get done.
Unless Scottie becomes an MVP candidate and RJ and Quickley become perennial All Stars, then the Raptors simply don’t have the pieces to be a Championship contender. I like the current foundation, but they need to add more high-level talent, and the easiest way to do that is through the draft.
no tanking
And YAK fits okc perfect. I said at the deadline we should have looked to trade yak to okc. He fits perfect with okc. Absolutely perfect. Ousmane deing and salary filler + 1 first + 1 second for yak and bouchier
He the complete opposite of what okc looks for he doesn’t fit at all
Next year is going to be the fourth and final year of Scottie's contract with the Raptors. These players aren't going to want to stick around if the organization keeps up with this tank strategy. The players are being patient and saying the right things right now, but things could change in an instant if this goes on too long. Draft picks aren't going to put them deep in the playoffs. The organization's long-term thinking is going to be too long down the road for many who are in their prime right now with expiring contracts.
Exactly what I think.
dont matter if your franchise player is that weak minded that he cant handle a rebuild designed for him, then you need to get rid of that leader asap because they are just drama queens. thats not the type of leader you want to build your team around. will be alot of high picks for him if you move him knowing he is a drama queen. better for the team if he shows he is that kind of personality to move him.
thats what you call locker room cancers.
@@giovanni-ed7zq don't go jumping all down his throat. It's all hypothetical thinking. You call it being a drama queen, while in other cities he's the missing piece of the puzzle needed to go deep into the playoffs and possibly take it all. Many years sooner than it would take the Raptors to get their act together. It's all smart business and the leveraging at the end of the day. It's not about altruistic thinking and staying committed to one team only. The Raptors would trade him in a heartbeat if it made sense for them. They're not making him the franchise player out of the niceness of their hearts. They're doing it because it makes business sense to them.
@@Doug5614 LOL if you dont think thats being a drama queen and locker room cancer than you are clueless. If scottie barnes turns out to be a drama queen, then no he isnt th emissing piece lol. i am not prone to your fear of loss hypothetical, if he is like that, ship him out asap.
He’s right. We need a full rebuild. This current team, even when healthy, was not competitive nor winning. Masai needs to be let go because these have all been his decision and direction.
Trading Poeltl makes sense to get someone younger, but to tank is a bad idea. First you'd be wasting another Scottie Barnes year, second, who wants Poeltl? Looking around it don't see any obvious choices. Third, because of the play-in, the league is more competitive now. Teams are actually trying for the play-in and because of that teams are keeping their talent. So climbing out of the bottom is even more difficult. Tanking now is not a full tank it's what the Raptors did this past season, get guys recently drafted and see what happens.
It was inevitable that some team would jump into the top four so no way was Toronto keeping #6 pick. Now Toronto had a 50/50 chance of themselves being a team that jumped into the top 4 and that was their flip of the coin which they didn't get.
Coming out of "tanking" mode isn't always easy. Look at the Wizards and other teams. I'm not sure the timeline is great to plan another terrible season. Will you be able to get BBQ to buy into the idea of losing most of the next 82 games is the best plan to build a winning culture? Are you going to risk losing even more core players just to move up in the draft? The key, for all teams, is finding good value and players that fit together. Jak may not fit the timeline. Maybe his stock is higher and the Raptors have a clear picture by January? They still need to move Brown (or let him walk for nothing), probably move Boucher, and let GTJr walk. If you want to keep young players motivated, you have to at least start a season with aspirations and goals. A play in Raptors team in 2024/25 doesn't mortgage their success for 2025+. If they draft a C prospect, you may want to keep Jak around for mentorship for 30-40 games too.
Anyone besides BBQ+Dick should be on the table this summer. Jakob is not on the same timeline as BBQ+D but he can definitely help a championship contender who is missing a roational big. Tank one more year and hope the lottery god bring us Cooper Flagg
Send Poetle to New Orleans for Herb Jones and salary filler. Hopefully Tyler Kolek is available with the Pacers pick and Ryan Dunn with Detroits pick. Sign JV or Hartenstien at free agency and go with those guys and Kelly at Center. Hopefully Masai can get something for Bruce Brown at the draft.
Herb Jones should definitely be the number 1 target for Masai this summer, but they won't want Poeltl. Gonna take a lot more than that to get him.
If we trade jak should we draft edey if he falls to 19?
Bam Son
Management blew our rebuild
If they could pick up a Mobley/Claxton a lot of problems would be solved without boring the fan base through another parade of Ls
This is not happening, unless Yak wants out.
jakob poeltl said it last summer, he didnt leave spurs to come to a rebuilding situation. at his age he wants to compete for championships. bobby webster in his interview also didnt include jakob as part of core or veteran leadership moving forward.
I can’t believe I’m about to say this. But I agree with Josh L. We NEED to tank next year. We need another foundational piece to move forward with. Even if we end up getting the 8th pick or whatever. Masai and Bobby will find good talent. They almost always do. Get our two picks this year. Trade Bruce brown for whatever assets you can. I would sign and trade gary Trent for 3 Seconds even. Whatever we gotta do. Gradey should be getting 35 minutes every night. Throw him to the wolves. Tank ONE more year. We need to. If not, we will be stuck in the middle. This team is a fringe playoff team as it sits IF HEALTHY. But that’s bad news. We need to get another player that’s on Scottie’s level. Or we are screwed. Then we risk losing Scottie after the next big deal. We basically have 5 years to get this thing turned around
Did hawks tank to get a pick 1? They were stuck in the middle and got rewarded for it. Pistons did all that tanking and got the 5th pick. Scottie will take the next opportunity out if this team keeps tanking. He literally posted we will be better, promise. He wants to try and win
I called this a year ago. Just cause okc has the most picks and okc needs a big
Okc would never do it
When will fans realized scottie will not and cannot stay with Raps. The market is too small here . If he is going to be all he can be he will have to migrate. Imagine his face is nowhere to be seen now imagine that’s happening year after year during play off.? So no tanking and failed management ie ujiri is going to make this org less attractive to potential players.
Everyone cheer for Dallas 2 beat OKC, so deal can happen 🙏
Start the season as well as we can, just to make it harder on ourselves to tank after the deadline, and possibly end up with a pick around 10-15, instead of just tanking to ensure we get top 3. Great logic 😂 just make things hard on yourself for no reason. Same thing we've done the last 2 seasons. Didn't work out, but y'all wanna do it again. Smh
I swear bro saw my comment and made a video abt it💀
They have to consider that Barnes, IQ, RJ are gonna be a year older and it will likely take 2-3 years to bring a rookie on board and the team is running out of time to really incorporate these new pieces. Better to use what we have and trade for good assets. We were very dominant when our key players were all healthy. We just need to keep Poetl, make some good trades and keep our core and move forerward NOW not later. Otherwise team becomes a joke, beomes a place players do not want to sign with or STAY WITH.
nah 1 player wont make a difference on this team. bobby webster said raptors are at least 10 moves away from being contenders lol. you trade 4 picks for a good player you are in a rebuild with non picks lol. 1 pick gets you an agbaji type player that is gone when his contract is up next year.
The Raptors will most likely use some Picks and salary to make a trade this summer. Losing out on this year's pick was the best thing to happen in a while. Bobby even said they don't wanna go thru all that rookie training they did with Gradey again this upcoming season. They are armed with all their picks now, expect them to make some trades this summer.
@@S1MONPHOEN1X nah masai already told you the raptors are in rebuild, and rebuilds are not 1 year events. bobby webster interview said the raptors are not 1-2 moves away but at least 10 moves away. so that tells you they are in a longer rebuild and wont waste picks on players that really wont move the needle. look what a pick got you, agbaji. kelly olynyk cant play defence and wont be here after his 2 year contract over. getting players now in trade are a waste with raptors in rebuild getting high picks in draft to develop next 3-4 years.
@@S1MONPHOEN1X nah bobby webster said the raptors are not 1-2 move away but at least 10 so its a longer rebuild. masai even told you raptors are in rebuild and they are not 1 year events. masai even said they can take 6 years.
@@S1MONPHOEN1X 1 pick gets you nothing, to get a good player raptors will have to package gradey with 3-4 picks. and then what they still in rebuild with no picks now. you think play in is a good result with no picks lol. that only turns a 4 year rebuild into an 8 year rebuild.
Just trade Jakob pls , im thinking jak for Aaron Wiggins and a first round pick
We NEED to tank. This core isn't good enough and we'll end up in the exact same position 5-7 years from now if we don't try to get another star through the draft to pair with Scottie.
Hawks didn’t tank and got the pick 1..
EDEY ALL THE WAY
His draft combine sprints looking good. Hid foot speed is alot better then i initially thought
@@danielcjallen1497 might have to trade up to get him
@@danielcjallen1497 I have been called delusional for defending him. He has worked on many things. He has improved drastically from last year and his 3 point shooting form is nice. He wasn’t able to shoot the 3 because of the system he was in wanting him to just be a post presence. Also watching his interviews, he has a killer mindset. Loves proving hater wrong. That is hard to find now.
All of you severely underestimate Scottie Barnes. The raptors will finish 3rd overall in the East next season.
Yes trade poertl expecially if get edey. Trade brown L,
A tank??? Starters need support...read why do below.
Don't listen to Lewie the Jewie, the shrimp hasn't a clue. He's still trying to figure out of he qualifies for dr@wf status.
Raptors have the best 3 player combo 24 years old or younger in the NBA, why waste a year? Grady proved, he can get it done, he was down, then turned it around and looks like a nice starting piece. Add in Jak, and that is a very competitive, top 6 starting core in the east. To sign all the core 4 at their max deals they will eventually want, will have to be done with cleverish moves. SOOO this means, if we had this years top 6, or next years top 8 pick, its just another mouth to eventually feed, which they couldn't w/o moving one of the 4 they will most likely sign. Will this years number 6 be better then the core 4? Will they be better than Jak? If it is indeed a weak draft, then the pick is a role player. W/o signing Trent, there is some money, use it to support Olynyk, Obagi, and Nwora on the bench along with your two picks (have to move Brown and that money, along with Boucher, and or swindle a better deal for a player more useful to this team). And who knows, they might move the two picks this year, trade both picks to Utah who values picks, and could save money, to draft Knect iif he is around, a ready to go as a solid bench piece. The starters need support. RJ was dancing at the end of the season, his downhill game is scary. Quick is becoming a top guard and will be for years, his all round game is dirty. Scottie dominates, this leaves Grady open for 3's and drives, and Jak does the grunt work. Moving Jak makes sense, but not to blow it up and only f there is another center coming in to play, like Clingan
Slim duck??
LIKE SPIKE!!
Get new centre to develop this shit gonna be boring watching jakob miss ft
Who would want a team that continues to tank??? What kind of management is that? We did this this year fans can't take it two years in a row. Got nothing out of it. Time to get playing and be serious.
Giving the spurs a lottery pick in next year’s draft would have been so much worse.
The spurs may package 4 and 8 to get Trae young but so what. Trae is overrated af.
Trade Poetl for Lively
So we could have Lively and Quickly on the same team ? Lol
@@kevinhughes8441 ….he’s better and matches Scotties timeline
This team has become a joke. Guaranteed you will hear that Barnes wants out at some point this upcoming season.
Please fire the GM. He is making too much mistakes..... The rebuild is extended for at least 2 more seasons because of his failure.
If they're 11th at trade deadline, they need to blow it up completely... starting with Masai
Ben you sound like a fool. You wanted to tank last year. You can’t do it at the deadline. You gotta do it from the start
But will Scottie want to stay in Canada and play on a crap team or will he end up a free agent and leaving and all this was for nothing
Raps are gonna be sub 400 for years to come.
raps are lost cause of bs
If the raptors actively tank before Scottie signs his rookie max, he won't be signing it.
He just saw pascal get a 20 spot jump on the best player list by moving to Indy!
He just saw every media talking head learn OGs name in a week after calling him "Ah-nah-noob-eee" for five years. Do you think Scotties agent hasn't calculated how much money OG didn't get in endorsements and competing offers?
Orlando already has his name on the locker next to Suggs.
Now watch us take Chomche at 19.
We'll be talking about what "pieces" we can get for RJ and IQ by the deadline.
Is all massai fault for putting this stupid roster together even darko he suck
Lost the pick in the worst draft in 10 years... Edey at 19 baby
Get rid of Jakob !
Poeltl is so overrated...he brings almost nothing to a team. He's a backup at best.
70% fg best in the league at the basket but ok ...
@@johnhamilton2914 That's because he doesn't shoot more than 3 feet from the hoop junior. DUH!
@@Veggamattic The presence of Poeltl is needed for shot blocking. He is also a decent pick n roller with IQ, Scottie and Barrett. To say he brings almost nothing is just a straight lie.
@@bobcharlie1666 There are 6 bigs in the draft that I like better than him...he is not a good shot blocker at all and can't rebound...almost all his rebounds are the easy positional rebounds that any big gets. He can't shoot AT ALL...he's the worst shooter in the NBA... he can't make free throws...he can't be used at the end of games...his perimeter defense is like a fence post. He is very slow and not the right guy for our fast break offence. He hasn't improved since he was a rookie.
@@Veggamattic I will agree with you on a couple of things. Yes, he cannot shoot and cannot hit freethrows. Yes it can be risky having him out there at the end of games.
What I completely disagree with is the shot blocking and rebounding. Poeltl is a good shot blocker. The best in the NBA? Hell no, but he has the presence around the rim to bother shots and he has done multiple marvelous chase down blocks in transition. Even for a guy that's slower, he averages 1.5 blocks a game. To say he cannot rebound is CRAZY. Before the Raptors traded for Poeltl, they were literally the worst defensive rebounding team in the NBA. The majority of their losses in the time Poeltl was not there came from the lack of size and rebounding. As soon as Poeltl got traded there, they jumped so many spots in defensive rebounding it made a HUGE difference. Poeltl can certainly rebound. Also, to say he is the worst shooter in the league is also crazy. Do you hate him personally or something? The kid shoots 65% from the field on 8 attempts and he is the worst in the league? Sure, they are mid range push shots or layups, but that still could as a shot. In terms of 3 point shooting, he doesn't take them, but doesn't mean he is the worst in the league.
He HAS improved since his rookie year by becoming a more consistent inside scorer, passer and higher vision for the game. If you look at Poeltl from 2017 to the Poeltl in 2024 and you claim you see no difference, that is wild.
In terms of the fence post thing on defense, I would much rather have Poeltl as a post defender on guys like Joel Embiid or Jokic or AD. Who would you rather have? Scottie? RJ? Agbaji? Kelly? Poeltl by his size alone would fit better than these guys. I think you're underestimating the value Poeltl does bring to the team.
Trade Portal and draft Edey way more upside and we would have someone with enough size to give Wemby trouble. Yes he isn't fast and won't be good for blocking Wemby from taking 3's but inside he could stop Wemby think Gasol. Also Wemby is 90lbs lighter so Edey will have his way with him in the paint and wear down Wemby. If we are thinking about future the championship will be going through Spurs unless Wemby starts getting injuries
We should draft Zach Edey at 19
He'll be gone by then, you just watch.
hell no
@@abouttime5000 Thunder, Heat or Grizzlies may select him before #19. SA could select with one of their two Top 10 picks to play next to Wemby.
@@abouttime5000I hope he is gone by then. I don’t want Edey aka Shawn Bradley 2.0
You guys aren't seeing the bigger picture we need Edey his presence will help Scottie be more dominant. Watch Edey will be the 19th pick and Ryan Dunn at 31
We took all those years to develope, Fred, Pascal and OG only to let them go. Now they are tearing it up elsewhere. I blame our problem on the fact the tam is owned by a corporation that makes decisions based upon the bottom line. As long as the seats are being filled the corporate owners don't care about a winning team if the fans keep showing up.
You say that like Pascal wasn't sabotaging the team by his iso hunting/ball stopping and Substandard paint defense or Fred's stat padding and shot chucking. I would have loved to keep OG but without a doubt we were unable to move pascal until OG was traded, other teams weren't offering to trade until the last minute
@@dancingbabybinsmeanwhile Og quiet quit and changed his agent to a Knicks executive son. Love Og but to pretend he was innocent is funny. Nurse had a high iso/ low turnover system. That entire narrative was and is still wrong. They are succeeding now because they are in better systems for them.
OG has been constantly injured, pascal lead the pacers to a slightly better than .500 record and almost ended up in the playin. He’s shooting 40% from the free throw line in the playoffs. If the Knicks roster didn’t implode with injuries pacers would have been swept. When pacers max pascal next year they’ll be doomed as 6-7 seed at best for next 4 years.
Raptors are in a nice position to try to tweak the roster around the new CBA rules and have Barnes RJ and quickley locked in as the corner stones going forward. Teams with 2 30% max players are going to start struggling to have depth on their roster. Never mind if they have 3. Just look at the suns, lakers and golden state. Those days are over.
only og tearing it up, most of you raptor fans never appreciated him.