Miles more entertaining than current cycling. Pantani, Armstrong, Ullrich etc had personality as well as the large amount of ability and drugs they had.
I think most of us will agree on what was going on here re doping But I still like watching this as a spectacle. Very interesting personalities at play here, involved in some great battles over a very tough TDF, with both Ventoux and Hautacamb. I can't remember a more difficult Tour since 2000 - can anyone else?
Nice uploads! Just finished watching some of the 2014 tdf and have to say these old races were much more interesting. 2014 very predictable, peloton not really making much of an effort, way too much team control, no interesting characters like Cipolini or Patani (man I wish the commentators here did not always have to refer to him as "the little man" or "the little guy." That had to have taken its toll on him.) Glad the racers are (maybe) cleaner but now everything is down to such a science it seems like there's too much team control and nothing gets mixed up enough for it to be interesting. Somewhere else someone suggested a reduction in team size to 6 or 7, I think that would certainly help.
Make no mistake, they are still doping like mad today, but they are just much more discrete and business-like in their approach to it. But I don't care about that. The real problem is, there are no personalities anymore. No drama. It all feels so corporate and stale. Say what you want about Armstrong and gang, but at least they added multiple layers of interest to the tour.
Two things that changed the sport for me were the introduction of team radios and helmets. Team radios made the tactics much more predictable. The visual impact of mandatory helmets for me was huge. In these races you see the face and it make the individual riders, well more individual. Contrast that to seeing Sky all black, all black helmets, all black bikes.
Only if you like that kind of staff you would find it interesting. Wait for the Colombians up the mountains this year, that’s true power. Nothing satisfying about watching all this. Cause is not real. Even my grand ma could claim at that rate if she was juiced up. What a bunch of CUNTS
I am a big Pantani fan and I remember watching this live.I had so much hopes when Hautacam ascend started and when I saw him tried to evade.And then the huge disappointing when Armstrong easily left him behind. I couldn't believe that.
Regardless of the drug use back then, cyclists have bad days when their bodies just don’t respond the way that one wants. There’s just no way to predict good or bad days; it just happens.
@@keirfarnum6811 No doubt. Cadel lost 10 minutes to Schleck and Contador in 2010, but came back and kept pace in 2011 and won it. Ullrich mega cracked on Galibier 1998. It happens.
@@blackmamba3060 1998 pantani would still get overtaken by lance in a tt. Marco was good on the 7 or 8 percent climbs but on the 4 and 5 percent climbs he was very much even with the rest. Ulrich put a minute into him on that 97 stage to Andorra because That final climb was not that steep .
At 1:26:55 Heras appears to ride up to Armstrong - they say something, then seconds later Heras attacks - which stretches the leading group. Once Armstrong and the other riders catch up with Heras, again Heras and Armstrong appear to be saying something. They then appear to say a few more words another 30 yards up the road. In 2001, Heras rode for the US Postal team. It would be interesting to know when negotiations about this option commenced - since if Heras already knew by the date of the 2000 TDF that he'd be riding with US Postal in 2001, then maybe Armstrong effectively had a tenth team member - albeit one wearing the Kelme strip... fact or fiction? Watch the tape and decide for yourself.
read hamiltons book regarding the ventoux climb - they did their bloodbag the day before, didnt know what it felt like, hamilton cracked, IIRC he said, he'd done better in this stage without it. i always love hamilton ;)
Crit from 44 to 49 is nothing at that level. Miniscule difference. The difference is the Pulmonary Liters per minute, carbs per hour and left ventricular fuction...Lance dominates all categories... It's why the French politicians (and UCI) hated him
@@markgrenier6787 mhh yea dunno about his performance in these areas, you are very likely right, as lance more or less had the same program as everyone else. I was just stating that hamilton was surprised that day how weak he was, apparently the bloodbag was not his thing back then.
1:52:00 - Armstrong is just so overpowered here. I remember this moment, and you really felt you saw this super human, and what he did there, was basically impossible. Filled to the brim with drugs of course. But so were all the others. He really just destroys them right here. It looks like he is starting a TT, with that acceleration, on the top of Ventoux. Crazy !
98% of people in this sport use PEDs. True back then and today! Doctors actually say it’s healthier on your body to use PEDs than it is to not use them
@@suminshizzles6951 Yeah but Lance had no natural talent. His oxygen capacity was terrible, he had low natural wattage and hermatocrit, unlike others like Pantani and Ullrich. Lance benefitted from drugs more than anyone else, and his program was more dialled in that the others.
@@blackmamba3060lance had no natural talent? are you fucking dreaming ? Lance was already a professional triathlete at the age of 15 challengingthe world's best as freshman in high school . What were you at 15 ? 🤣 lance was the youngest US national champ at 19.. . In 93 lance was pro world champ . In 93 Ulrich was amateur world champ. You clearly don't know shit about lance before 99 🤣
The tour announces the next years route and then the parties responsible for the roads on that route take a sudden interest and lay down new ashalt, this road seen here is in pristine condition.
Nearly everyone in these pictures was on EPO. Nearly evryone. I am not an armstrong apologist but lets keep some perspective shall we? He got singled out cos he was at the top and because he was an asshole and a bully. Personally, i think the UCI helped cover up his positive.
Armstrong was not singled out. Virenque, Ullrich, Pantani, Jalabert, Olano all admitted to EPO long before Armstrongs fall from grace. Pantani had to leave the Giro years before this race because of a strange blood sample.
@@TheSkinnybiker pantani's win in the giro and tour in 98 still stand . Ulrich never admitted to doping until after Armstrong got caught . his win from the tour in 97 and the 99 vuelta still stand , as well as his world time trial and olympic gold medals . Armstrong was literally deleted from the history books and banned for life unlike pantani who was allowed to race the next year after. Even when we look back at it today we remember pantani as one of the greats and Armstrong is just a cheater . Lance Armstrong is the poster boy for doping in cycling while others are forgiven so yeah definitely singled out!
@@blackmamba3060 go check your history! pantani was caught , lied about doping, allowed to race the next year . Armstrong honestly admitted to doping and was terminated from cycling forever. (Which he deserved) just don't say pantani was singled out cause he was given plenty of chances
Paul and Phil missed an opportunity to point out Simpson died as the result of, significantly, doping. Paul (rest his soul) could have said something at 48.53, but didn't.
If the team managers want so much control of the team then put their asses on a bike and ride along side of the team and tell them how to ride and when to attack! That would make it interesting !
Amateurs were required to wear helmets long before the pros were. It was mostly driven by various national laws, helmet lobbies, and then a few widely publicized injuries. Oh yeah, TT helmets were an early thing too.
It is just crazy that nobody else was able to go uphill with small gears and high cadence, instead ullrich with his big gears was just bound too fail, just stupid that he wouldn't change that.
He had great career though, certainly he not Indurain but World champion both road and time trial, Vuelta, grand tour podium, and important stage race wins certainly not too shabby
Incredible how unsuitable most of the bikes were for pros back in the day . Compare how they look today to how uncomfortable and awkward most of these boys look . Most of them are about 10kg heavier than their modern day athletes.
They were all doped to a 50% hematocrit. Anything over would be get you kicked out so it doesn't matter who had the best drugs because you can only enhance yourself to a certain point. And even if u have better drugs you still gotta have a good doctor and your dope cycle has to be done precisely calculated and you still have to do your training right to peak at the tour. Ulrich would ride the tour with 80 races In his legs compared to Armstrong who raced around 40 leading to the tour. You're out of your mind if u think you gonna drop everyone just because you took "better" drugs🤣
AmpedAO Guess we'll never know will we? He never failed a doping test, he just registered a slightly elevated hematocrit %. Pantani was far more naturally gifted than Armstrong, and any real cyclist will tell you this.
Sam Smith tribune.com.pk/story/581391/cyclists-pantani-ullrich-unveiled-as-epo-cheats-by-french-drugs-commission/ Just going to put this out there. When it comes do who would have been the best "natty" rider im blank. If you say Pantani would be #1 im going to take your word for it. I have nothing against Pantani, im just annoyed with all the Armstrong hate.
Please ride up a mountain carrying 20 extra pounds including lots of extra, unhelpful blood vessels the heart has to pump to and the lungs have to oxygenate before posting this nonsense. Power/weight ratio is the one single relevant statistic, barring crashes or illness.
This was such fascinating cycling. I don't care if the riders were doped, hell, it was entertaining and fun, the good old times. Today, cycling is just super boring. No personalities, no daring attacks and super boring stages because the tour organizers simplified the stages dramatically, which is boring
The commentators get paid to talk about the race not to speculate on what goes on behind cameras. If you don't want to see dopers you have no business watching this!
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Miles more entertaining than current cycling. Pantani, Armstrong, Ullrich etc had personality as well as the large amount of ability and drugs they had.
Yea. I don't even care they doped because EVERYONE did. So that makes it a level field again. Way more entertaining.
Great diversion to have this to watch during the corona lockdown.
No one locks me down......ever
@@markgrenier6787 affirmative, I won't even fully comply with face diapers.
The Ventoux of this Tour was EPIC. Grande Pantani! W
13:55 the beginning of the legend 🚵🏻♂️
1:52:00 the moment Superman appeared. 💪
I think most of us will agree on what was going on here re doping But I still like watching this as a spectacle. Very interesting personalities at play here, involved in some great battles over a very tough TDF, with both Ventoux and Hautacamb. I can't remember a more difficult Tour since 2000 - can anyone else?
I was on the Ventoux watching this. The French guy standing next to me said " Trop vite, pas normal."
??????? which means? too quick for normal
And just think that today they are climbing a lot faster.
"Drop your panties Sir William I cannot wait until lunch time."
brilliant doctor Michelle Ferrari..❤️❤️
Nice uploads! Just finished watching some of the 2014 tdf and have to say these old races were much more interesting. 2014 very predictable, peloton not really making much of an effort, way too much team control, no interesting characters like Cipolini or Patani (man I wish the commentators here did not always have to refer to him as "the little man" or "the little guy." That had to have taken its toll on him.) Glad the racers are (maybe) cleaner but now everything is down to such a science it seems like there's too much team control and nothing gets mixed up enough for it to be interesting. Somewhere else someone suggested a reduction in team size to 6 or 7, I think that would certainly help.
succytash Down to 8 😜
Make no mistake, they are still doping like mad today, but they are just much more discrete and business-like in their approach to it. But I don't care about that. The real problem is, there are no personalities anymore. No drama. It all feels so corporate and stale. Say what you want about Armstrong and gang, but at least they added multiple layers of interest to the tour.
Two things that changed the sport for me were the introduction of team radios and helmets. Team radios made the tactics much more predictable.
The visual impact of mandatory helmets for me was huge. In these races you see the face and it make the individual riders, well more individual. Contrast that to seeing Sky all black, all black helmets, all black bikes.
Yes it was a dirty Tour. But spectacular to watch. So much more interesting than modern tours
Modern tours are still dirty everyone takes TUE's
Only if you like that kind of staff you would find it interesting. Wait for the Colombians up the mountains this year, that’s true power. Nothing satisfying about watching all this. Cause is not real. Even my grand ma could claim at that rate if she was juiced up. What a bunch of CUNTS
@@yimmilopez-hidalgo251 what a moron...
Without training and skill, drugs would do no help
I am a big Pantani fan and I remember watching this live.I had so much hopes when Hautacam ascend started and when I saw him tried to evade.And then the huge disappointing when Armstrong easily left him behind.
I couldn't believe that.
1998 Pantani would have smoked armstrong.
Regardless of the drug use back then, cyclists have bad days when their bodies just don’t respond the way that one wants. There’s just no way to predict good or bad days; it just happens.
@@keirfarnum6811 No doubt. Cadel lost 10 minutes to Schleck and Contador in 2010, but came back and kept pace in 2011 and won it. Ullrich mega cracked on Galibier 1998. It happens.
@@blackmamba3060 1998 pantani would still get overtaken by lance in a tt. Marco was good on the 7 or 8 percent climbs but on the 4 and 5 percent climbs he was very much even with the rest. Ulrich put a minute into him on that 97 stage to Andorra because That final climb was not that steep .
@@abone2pick Ullrich put a minute into him because 1997 Pantani was still getting his legs back after the crash.
Lancé Armstrong proved what he was made of .. being world champion in 1993 was no coincidence 🚴🚴🚴
A vile maggot
He was talentless
At 1:26:55 Heras appears to ride up to Armstrong - they say something, then seconds later Heras attacks - which stretches the leading group. Once Armstrong and the other riders catch up with Heras, again Heras and Armstrong appear to be saying something. They then appear to say a few more words another 30 yards up the road. In 2001, Heras rode for the US Postal team. It would be interesting to know when negotiations about this option commenced - since if Heras already knew by the date of the 2000 TDF that he'd be riding with US Postal in 2001, then maybe Armstrong effectively had a tenth team member - albeit one wearing the Kelme strip... fact or fiction? Watch the tape and decide for yourself.
Liggett and Sherwen were such fan boys of Armstrong
This is far more exciting than the tour de zzzzzzzzz we have now in the no drugs era
Amazing, this video is totally dope.
livingstone dropping pantani on a hill. ridicoulous.
Epic
read hamiltons book regarding the ventoux climb - they did their bloodbag the day before, didnt know what it felt like, hamilton cracked, IIRC he said, he'd done better in this stage without it. i always love hamilton ;)
Crit from 44 to 49 is nothing at that level. Miniscule difference. The difference is the Pulmonary Liters per minute, carbs per hour and left ventricular fuction...Lance dominates all categories... It's why the French politicians (and UCI) hated him
@@markgrenier6787 mhh yea dunno about his performance in these areas, you are very likely right, as lance more or less had the same program as everyone else.
I was just stating that hamilton was surprised that day how weak he was, apparently the bloodbag was not his thing back then.
Armstrong v pantani action around 5:00
1:52:00 - Armstrong is just so overpowered here. I remember this moment, and you really felt you saw this super human, and what he did there, was basically impossible. Filled to the brim with drugs of course. But so were all the others.
He really just destroys them right here. It looks like he is starting a TT, with that acceleration, on the top of Ventoux. Crazy !
Nearly all in these pictures were on dope. Nearly all.
98% of people in this sport use PEDs. True back then and today! Doctors actually say it’s healthier on your body to use PEDs than it is to not use them
GOAT?
@@suminshizzles6951 Yeah but Lance had no natural talent. His oxygen capacity was terrible, he had low natural wattage and hermatocrit, unlike others like Pantani and Ullrich. Lance benefitted from drugs more than anyone else, and his program was more dialled in that the others.
@@blackmamba3060lance had no natural talent? are you fucking dreaming ? Lance was already a professional triathlete at the age of 15 challengingthe world's best as freshman in high school . What were you at 15 ? 🤣 lance was the youngest US national champ at 19.. . In 93 lance was pro world champ . In 93 Ulrich was amateur world champ. You clearly don't know shit about lance before 99 🤣
The tour announces the next years route and then the parties responsible for the roads on that route take a sudden interest and lay down new ashalt, this road seen here is in pristine condition.
I lost weight during cancer as well, but it sure didn't make me any faster....guess I didn't take the right meds.
Jimenez had clearly seen the gynaecologist!
These guys go uphill as fast as I go on the flat
Enhancing drugs are meant for something
@@bananaempijama today they are going uphill faster.
thanks
Nearly everyone in these pictures was on EPO. Nearly evryone. I am not an armstrong apologist but lets keep some perspective shall we? He got singled out cos he was at the top and because he was an asshole and a bully. Personally, i think the UCI helped cover up his positive.
Armstrong was not singled out. Virenque, Ullrich, Pantani, Jalabert, Olano all admitted to EPO long before Armstrongs fall from grace. Pantani had to leave the Giro years before this race because of a strange blood sample.
@@TheSkinnybiker If anything Pantani was singled out.
@@TheSkinnybiker pantani's win in the giro and tour in 98 still stand . Ulrich never admitted to doping until after Armstrong got caught . his win from the tour in 97 and the 99 vuelta still stand , as well as his world time trial and olympic gold medals . Armstrong was literally deleted from the history books and banned for life unlike pantani who was allowed to race the next year after. Even when we look back at it today we remember pantani as one of the greats and Armstrong is just a cheater . Lance Armstrong is the poster boy for doping in cycling while others are forgiven so yeah definitely singled out!
@@blackmamba3060 go check your history! pantani was caught , lied about doping, allowed to race the next year . Armstrong honestly admitted to doping and was terminated from cycling forever. (Which he deserved) just don't say pantani was singled out cause he was given plenty of chances
Spinning is like lifting 100 pounds 4 times rather than once. 25 pounds at a time. Longevity
32:20 he's (at the time) trying to make the margin look good
What happened to Santiago botero after this tour? He never reached that 2000 form again
I think he had a big accident, car crash or something.
Clearly Lance gave Vontoux to Pantani. He could’ve attack Pantani but Lance decided to tow him along. Even Pantani Knows that Vontoux was a gift.
It destroyed The Pirate...haunted him till the end
Where is part 4 ?
Hello Manish!! How are you?? Are you gay??
armstrong quá đỉnh khỏe nhất và độ bền của sức khỏe 💪 si 1 không ai qua mặt được áo thế giới qua nhanh
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Paul and Phil missed an opportunity to point out Simpson died as the result of, significantly, doping. Paul (rest his soul) could have said something at 48.53, but didn't.
Their job is to make the race look good and exciting not to make dope allegations
If the team managers want so much control of the team then put their asses on a bike and ride along side of the team and tell them how to ride and when to attack! That would make it interesting !
Most of them are past riders.
I fucking love bike racing
Stairway to heaven
no helmets
Back then you could ditch your lid at the foot of the last climb if it was a mountaintop finish.
Amateurs were required to wear helmets long before the pros were. It was mostly driven by various national laws, helmet lobbies, and then a few widely publicized injuries. Oh yeah, TT helmets were an early thing too.
The good old days ❤️
I think the riders have a choice about the helmets.I that has gone back and forth over the decades
It is just crazy that nobody else was able to go uphill with small gears and high cadence, instead ullrich with his big gears was just bound too fail, just stupid that he wouldn't change that.
Why were Liggget and Sherwen so endears to Armstrong
1:55:47 this is the spot where tom Simpson was killed
editing: "this is the spot where tom Simpson died, killed by PEDs."
Hello. ! Am strong. Yes yes.
9:32 power on
Olano never delivered
He had great career though, certainly he not Indurain but World champion both road and time trial, Vuelta, grand tour podium, and important stage race wins certainly not too shabby
Compelling racing but it makes me angry!
Then don't watch it. Watch something that makes you happy instead
Dope video
40:37
46:33 unfortunate comment indeed.
EPO is a hell of a drug.
Dopers' Paradise.
Incredible how unsuitable most of the bikes were for pros back in the day . Compare how they look today to how uncomfortable and awkward most of these boys look . Most of them are about 10kg heavier than their modern day athletes.
Still great to watch even if they wore on drugs
epo year still ...
When I watch this era of cycling I’m aware that I’m watching a measure of who had the best drugs.
They were all doped to a 50% hematocrit. Anything over would be get you kicked out so it doesn't matter who had the best drugs because you can only enhance yourself to a certain point. And even if u have better drugs you still gotta have a good doctor and your dope cycle has to be done precisely calculated and you still have to do your training right to peak at the tour. Ulrich would ride the tour with 80 races In his legs compared to Armstrong who raced around 40 leading to the tour. You're out of your mind if u think you gonna drop everyone just because you took "better" drugs🤣
@@abone2pick exactly.
The super power that doping gives the athlete Armstrong,this human waste.
1:38:35 doodoo
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Armstrong Rocketman. Due to drugs. Well done dude.
@ 4:18 The reporter starts making excuses for Armstrong beating Pantani. 20 pounds of doping does the trick. It has nothing to do with body weight.
***** You honestly don`t think Pantani used drugs? Armstrong just did that better as well =)
AmpedAO Guess we'll never know will we? He never failed a doping test, he just registered a slightly elevated hematocrit %. Pantani was far more naturally gifted than Armstrong, and any real cyclist will tell you this.
Sam Smith tribune.com.pk/story/581391/cyclists-pantani-ullrich-unveiled-as-epo-cheats-by-french-drugs-commission/ Just going to put this out there.
When it comes do who would have been the best "natty" rider im blank. If you say Pantani would be #1 im going to take your word for it. I have nothing against Pantani, im just annoyed with all the Armstrong hate.
Please ride up a mountain carrying 20 extra pounds including lots of extra, unhelpful blood vessels the heart has to pump to and the lungs have to oxygenate before posting this nonsense. Power/weight ratio is the one single relevant statistic, barring crashes or illness.
AmpedAO pantani would have blown armstrong away in the mountains if both were clean
Français
No sauce therefore personality bravado now, clones
You think no doping now????
Lol
This was such fascinating cycling. I don't care if the riders were doped, hell, it was entertaining and fun, the good old times. Today, cycling is just super boring. No personalities, no daring attacks and super boring stages because the tour organizers simplified the stages dramatically, which is boring
amstrog el peor del ciclismo
I can't bear it. All drug cheats and Phil and Paul .... I just can't bear to watch my race sullied and despoiled...
The commentators get paid to talk about the race not to speculate on what goes on behind cameras. If you don't want to see dopers you have no business watching this!
Doping was going on DECADES before Armstrong.....so your comment truly is a joke