The new Tekno Mt410 and the Outcast back to back…. future comparison video? You’ve been very busy, thanks for the introductions. It will be interesting to see it on 6s. Had a granite and did 4s but it was just too much.
Awesome coverage of the Outcast. I'm seriously considering getting one. This video really helped. I love your method of removing the gasket from the diff. Great job driving and bashing. I'm sold.... 👍🏁
I can tell you from experience that I've already bought 2 spur gears for that center diff. I performed a transplant into my 4S Kraton V2. And twice the spur has broken into a bunch of pieces. The metal used is not good. I can almost guarantee you the aftermarket will be selling upgraded steel spur gears for the new center diff setup. And yes the mesh was right. Etc. Etc. Also the way the gear is held onto the diff assembly is also a poor design. The screws that hold it on are only barely doing so. There's nothing actually bolting the gear to the diff. It just slides on and gets semi clamped in place by small bolts. But that's not actually fastening the gear to the diff. I believe this is causing a lack of structural support for the gear. As it is essentially floating. Not fixed.
Definitely an improvement on the v2, looks like they have addressed most of the issues, agree fully on straps 👍the v2 chassis put me off enough to sell mine, now tempted to get the 2.5 👌
Yeah I took a nosedive hard enough to actually break the front bumper which I've never done on one of these and the chassis is still fine. I think it's fixed.
Merry Christmas ... Awesome video as always. Just FYI you can save some money going to a Plumbing store to but some 2" , 3" or even 4" reinforced foil tape instead of buying the kit. You'll get a roll of at least 50 meters for quite reasonable money and do a heap of bodies .. But I'm with you, here in Sydney Australia I use plasterboard ( sheetrock as you guys call it) mesh joint tape and as shoe glue is hard to get here we use clear liquid nails and it works beautifully . I always hot glue the mesh tape on here and there to hold it in position before the liquid nails goes on..
Sweet double flip at the end of the bash!! I remember on my 6s notorious no matter how fast you were going if you pulled full trigger it wheelies every time! Looks like the new 4s is a wheelie monster too
That's a piece that they included with the original 2.5 version vehicles. I'm really not sure what their plan for it was as I could never get it to work properly I ended up just cutting it off. I'm sure someone thought it was a good idea but it certainly wasn't for my battery.
I use heatshrink tubing to hold the bearing to the center drive shaft in place. Kind of a pain to remove the heatshrink and bearing after the fact. But it's better than the bearing consistently moving off its support.
Yeah I can deal with my own cable management. I'm not really sure what they intended you to do with these as at least as far as I can tell they're not really usable in this vehicle.
I may have figured out the servo issue on Arrma Outcast 4s V2. So I turned those black guards on the front shocks to face away from the drive shaft and now it’s turning almost on a dime. I’ve had mine for about 5 months and the turning radius was always bad. I saw the wear on the drive shaft there those guard were so I just lifted the spring and now have them facing away from the drive shaft and now it’s awesome. I mean that has to be it because I haven’t changed it from stock at all. Let me know if it works for you and if it does just give me a shout out on a video. Good luck, I hope it works for you. 🤙🏻
that truck across the street I used to drive for them when I first got out of the Army, LOL I have to do it I got 52 with the Kraton on the street. 😁 Mine is acting like the Sledge it wont hold a wheelie, the front tires are like pizza cutters and you can hear the motor really winding out i pulled the diff out and it was mostly empty! I could see bare metal on one side and after 1 pack the Florida sand got in the bearings!! One run the bearings on the diff are crunchy I am going to try taping that hole on the bottom what is wierd the Kraton has plastic on the hood where the dimples happen it rests on the shock tower so far no dimples why do this on one not the other?
@DoRC on the Kraton there are 2 black plastic bolt on bulges? On the front near the body pin holes. Seems to me this was to reinforce the hood area where it always dimples. Its only on the Kraton not the Outcast I find that strange.
When the 4S line first came out I was kinda annoyed by it, because it just seemed cheap, but it’s evolved into something that feels like an electric, bashing oriented version of what the first ever truggies were like in the 2000’s I’m tempted on the new 4S Kraton, would probably suit some dish wheels nicely
Oh yeah. Their vehicles are generally excellent. I've always preferred Arrma over Traxxas. The recent ESC programmer box drama has hurt the brand's image in my eyes, but I can't deny they have very talented designers.
@IISG93II these sorts of things happen though I will say it's a little frustrating how Horizon tends to take a never apologize standpoint when problems arise. I'm sure in the long run it is actually better for the brand because people have short attention spans and will move on pretty quickly but it doesn't feel the best when it's happening.
Great video for me. I'm building myself an Outcast and definitely using the newest parts besides the straps. I have the old chassis, but it will be good for learning and if it breaks the new version hopefully won't. I really like the new colors too.
Unless you're really going crazy or bashing and very cold weather you probably won't have too much trouble with the outcast chassis. I found most people tended to break the Kraton chassis more just because it was longer
@DoRC city bashing and yeah I also live in the North East. Basically skate park bashing, which is funny since my city doesn't have a skate park. I've totalled a few rigs in the past 3 years. This outcast won't be finished until next summer unless I get a surprise donation. 😁
@DoRC with my very limited budget, I'm always looking for ways to get anything RC related. I've also had extremely good luck with giveaways online, 39 total wins since 2016. Can't say I've enter many rc related ones yet. Thanks for the heads up.
It's a little bit more stout than the HVAC tape I've used but yeah I'm sure it's just some standard tape that they've repurposed. That being said it does seem to work pretty well.
@@DoRC cant wait to see i dont do the drywall an shoe goo its just to much work an not enough benefit for me i will just buy a fresh body most these body aren't to expensive
I love your videos! So much information compressed in a few minutes. Thats perfect! Would you agree that silicone earplugs are same like the diff silicone you used?? I have some earplugs here and I miss wheelies on the stock setup😊
Ear plugs are a bit thicker than the 20 million Traxxas silicone. If you want the best stunt performance definitely go with the silicone ear plugs. Just keep in mind that the stiffer you make the center differential the less it is able to absorb shock loads so the more likely it is your break things.
This new center diff might fix one of my only gripes either my friend’s Outcast 4S (which was that it wheelies way too much, even though he runs it on 3S). Might end up getting the new Kraton sometime
I put it up against the maxx before and one thing that the outcast lacked was the center diff. I am sure now having a center diff its a better choice than the maxx.
Yeah against the max the only thing it was really lacking was that center differential and it did keep me from making it my big 4S recommendation but now It handles better, a cheaper, seems to be pretty much as durable and has all the same features.
Arrma battery straps are poor. I got 10 yards of cable tie velcro from Amazon, with 50 buckles for about ten bucks. My K6s now has 3 thick, long and strong straps.
Cool video! This rc looks like is so fun to drive. I wonder if the center differential module (without the motor can be installed on a Granite? I think it would be nice 😊
Not going to buy the outcast v2.5 when I already have the V2. Want the center diff and power module. Doesn't look like l will be getting it anytime soon.
Oh, it’s gonna be better than gorilla tape I can’t assure you of that especially if you don’t heat your gorilla tape like most people don’t like me. Just curious brand new vehicle with the center differential and you just up the fluid and stiff it to get backflips and wheelies it’s an OutKast. It already does them quite easily almost too easily so I was just Wondering do you have theMojave 4s and do you have experience with that ?love your channel very informative and truthful information. Thank you.
Yes I've got some videos on the new Mojave. Definitely a fun car. I upped the center differential fluid before I drove it just because I felt how loose it was out of the box and knew that I was going to want to stiffen it up a little bit so I figured I might as well go ahead and do it now. For me a stunt truck is all about wheels up craziness and so I like to enhance that as much as possible. One of the main reasons why I liked the center differential less previous version was because of how easily it wheel lead. The center differential tuning is definitely a personal thing though and 20 millions certainly not going to be for everybody.
Thinking about this or the Kagama roller (I already have an 8s Spektrum esc) It will be my basher 90% of the time at skatepark, general bashing and pretty much everything else. I know you think highly of both of the cars, but do you have a suggestion for me?
That's a really tough one. They're both very good cars and I don't think you would be disappointed with either. Personally I would just go with whichever one you think is cooler.
I was gonna run 6s in mine but couldnt get the motor to clear that bearing.. although there is that castle 1515 if im not mistaking that will handle 6 and 8s and has a smaller diameter.. but id love to see 6s
Not yet.. I might at some.. point but I ended up putting the whole set up in a bigrock 3s.. it was fun for a minute.... but too much for the big rock..
20 million isn't really necessary and honestly it reduces the handling but I like my stuff as stuntable as possible. That being said if you want 20 million Traxxas is pretty much the only place I know to get it.
Not sure I understand your claim that the center diff absorbs shock loads and protects the drivetrain. Isn’t that one of the pros of a slipper clutch? I mean, I guess it does if you land on front or back wheels to some degree, but land on all 4 and it’s actually worse than a slipper, in my understanding.
In theory you're correct but in practice The center differential affords the same protection to the spur and pinion as a slipper while also protecting the rest of the drivetrain. It's very rare that the front and the rear of the car will have the exact same amount of traction. Without a center differential the entire drivetrain has to function as one unit and that means whichever end of the drive drain has more traction is going to dictate The speed of the entire drivetrain. Because of this when it experiences a shock load such as hitting the ground when spinning slower or faster than That impact dictates the entire energy impulse from that speed change has to travel through the whole drive train and be absorbed by the whole drivetrain. That tends to break things. They center differential allows the front and rear to spin a different speed so that's no longer the case. The center differential also performs the same job as the slipper clutch and protecting the spur and pinion because it allows the spur gear to essentially be partially independent from the rest of the drivetrain due to that difference in traction between the front and rear. Ultimately it's a pretty complicated thing to try to explain but in practice the center differential does a really good job of protecting the entire drivetrain whereas the slipper clutch is only really good at protecting the spur and pinion. The center differential is also both more tunable and more predictable in that tuning.
Yeah I don't understand it. Honestly I don't even know how these battery straps are supposed to work. The way the little blocks are designed it forces you to push the actual strap down the side and it's between the battery and the side guard. Just doesn't work. I don't understand why they can't just give us two good strong straps nothing fancy and be done with it.
Maxx killer 😂lmao! handles better! Well that's lucky since he is quite as wide as long😂 don't forget the shims🤪 Btw it still looks very nice and fun to drive✌️
The dimensions are actually very similar to the wide maxx. This handles way better, seems to be pretty much as durable, doesn't need a servo out of the box has better tires and is over $100 cheaper. I've got a lot of experience with both of them and I genuinely feel like this is better.
@@DoRC i agree about tires and servo that's a shame for traxxas! What a pita... I'm still very curious about durability after 50/100 runs. What about very cold runs? Under 0°c (under 32°f) my own experience shows maxx (with 6s, what means heavier than 4s) hold that way better than all the arrma of friends (kraton v5 6s, typhon 6s and Notorious v5). Everytimes i have to finish all the lipos😂🥵 due to rod end, a arms, diff krkrkrkrkkr noise. Again, no brand War✌️✌️ just RC!👌
@mous4701 Yeah I found it most of those problems don't really exist on the 4S line. That being said I also live in a fairly warm climate. I had quite a few packs through my original V2 Outcast and it held up very well. I suspect the Max is still a little bit more durable but all things considered I think the outcast wins.
Putting thicker fluid in the front differential doesn't really stop the front tires from ballooning. Front tires balloon when power bleeds off through the center differential to those front tires causing them to spin faster than the rear tires. Running thicker center differential fluid is the best way to reduce front tire ballooning.
No idea though I doubt Horizon will put out any coupons for something so new especially if it's popular. They do have 4x points pretty often which equates to a pretty decent discount and depending on what LHS you have they might offer it for less.
Thanks for your videos! I'm new to the hobby and I think I've decided on this truck and the d300 charger/smart lipo gtech ecosystem, do to ease of use. Do you have a way I can donate to the channel? And second what's the largest 4s gtech battery I can fit in this truck? Thanks again!
I appreciate the offer but don't really have any way of taking donations and it's not really the purpose of the channel anyway. I know they make one gtech 4S battery but I'm not sure what it's dimensions are. I think Buddy RC sells them. You should be able to get the dimensions off of their and then see if they match the battery tray dimensions. If you can't find that let me know and I'll see what I can come up with for you.
Kind of hard to judge. Being a short wheelbase monster truck with thick fluid in the center differential pretty much any time you're on the throttle it's not going to turn but seemed okay.
Check out my video on body reinforcement. There are two main options. The best is cement board tape and e6000 and the other one is some sort of tape. Tape as much easier but if you want the best the cement board tape and e6000 is the way to go.
I don't think so. I've got quite a bit of experience with both platforms and this thing seems to be just about as durable, handles way better, doesn't immediately need a servo, is just as much fun and costs over $100 less. What specific advantage does the max have?
Kraton 4s? That one was already good enough and all they did was discontinue two colors and change them for two others for the refresh. This is a stunt truck, neither the Maxx or the K4s are stunt trucks. A better comparison IMHO would have been the K4s and the Maxx if you looking for a Maxx killer. They are like for like. That said I guess people could choose this over the Maxx, they would not be getting the same experience from either truck but I do see how they may have a choice to make. I personally am more a K4s/Maxx man, I have the Stunt Trucks and for me they are fun but yeah, a Max or K4s will do the same stuff but the Outcast having a shorter wheelbase is more unstable so not as good at high speed. If high speed off-road runs are your thing then you wouldn't choose this over the Maxx. Awesome bit of kit though. IMHO Outcast in nay config has always had the better body.
The V2 Max is closer in wheelbase to the Outcast then the Kraton. It's also a high center of gravity monster truck rather than a Truggy (It's taller than either the outcast or the Kraton with a classic high CG style chassis). I think you could make the case for comparing it to either one but I feel like the max is a stunt truck and so is the outcast while the Kraton is more of a truggy. That being said anything that applies to the outcast as compared to the maxx will pretty much also apply to Kraton so it doesn't really matter which one you compare them to. They both are still better handling cheaper basically have the same features and are nearly equally as durable.
Yeah it didn't quite make it with the 2.0 version simply because it didn't have a center differential but now that it does this thing is cheaper handles better and seems to be just as durable. I really no longer see a reason to recommend the maxx to anyone.
@@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj Yeah the max does need a few upgrades to be good. So far it doesn't even seem like this is going to need a servo. The stock servo isn't the fastest in the world but it gets a job done and seems pretty durable.
It depends on what you're looking for. They're too pretty different beasts. The MT-410 is quite a bit smaller but of course an overall higher quality vehicle. It's also going to cost you quite a bit more to put together but you get to customize your electronics tires body etc. Taking the build experience out of it if I was just recommending one or the other as a general basher I would go with the outcast though. It's cheaper, bigger and probably similar in durability.
@@DoRC thanks! I'm also considering a granite or Rival MT10. I actually want a small true 1/10 truck as an alternative to my kraton 1/8 exb v1. I live in a city and can't always take the kraton out because it's too big to run. I want something that would be great in small places to rip around, take it to skate spots etc. The smaller lighter trucks are appealing because I think they are more durable and will take more of a beating. I'm not into taking the kraton to the skate parks, you need to treat it like a baby and drive it perfectly. Thoughts?
Yeah I'm not sure exactly what they were expecting you to do with them. Since the block has to go on top that means the strap has to go down the side to Velcro together and there's no room down there. Seems pretty silly and almost like nobody actually tested it.
That’s just duct work tape , foil tape that’s threaded, I’ve use regular foil tape and I have that tape in white but not foil , I think your right gorilla tape is better , strength wise but it is heavy. It’s a nice kit though nevertheless. 20 m too thick for me , I’ve used 500k and million but that’s my absolute thickest ,
I think it's a little bit beefier than standard ductwork tape but I'm sure it is just some standard tape that they've repackaged. It does seem to work pretty well though especially for the ease of installation and the little amount of added weight. Center differential fluid thickness is always going to be a personal thing. For me short wheelbase monster trucks are for wheelies stunts backflips and being generally crazy so I go as thick as I can without defeating the purpose of the center diff entirely.
@The_RC_Daddy ah. Yeah Arma actually didn't increment the version number at all when they brought this out even though it has a bunch of updates. I came up with the V2.5 moniker just to differentiate it from the previous version but these are still technically V2 vehicles. You can make sure you're getting the updated one just by looking at the description and making sure it has the center differential. I believe the ones that don't are discontinued.
@owen8538 ah ok. I agree. I think that most people these days are only using one battery and the second connector and all of its associated wiring just does more harm than good.
20M is a big issue lol. But with the stock fluid it will probably be around 5M. 100k is a bit low but 200k or 500k should be alright. My 6s trucks use 200k with LSD and its plenty wheelies on demand. Only my neros needs 500k-1M. 20M is pretty much almost locked. 20M works on 1/6 and 1/8 because they are heavier but bad for lightweight trucks
Not in my experience. The max comes stock with 20 million and 20 million feels just about right on this truck too. That being said it really depends on what you want to do. For me a short wheelbase stunt truck is for wheelies backflips and doing stupid things and it's perfect for that. And it really doesn't lock it up as much as you think I can still hold the front wheel still and spin the back wheels with no issue.
Absolutely and my opinion is worth just about as much as anybody else's :-) That being said I have a fair amount of experience with both platforms and I would say that the Outcast is nearly as durable as the max out of the box if not more durable when taking into account things like the servo, is just as much fun to bash and cost $100 less. That being said the max is still a really good truck and is definitely not made obsolete by this! Thanks for watching and commenting.
I'm not sure I agree. I've got quite a bit of experience with both and this car has pretty much all the same features, handles far better, is just about as durable, has better tires, doesn't immediately need a servo and cost over $100 less.
Yeah and until this thing had a center differential the max still beat it out but this thing is very tough handles are much better and is quite a bit cheaper.. I think it is a Max killer. I will be recommending this over the max from now on
@@DoRC Oh! When you said desktop I immediately figured it would be fine on my laptop, but NOPE! I actually don’t have a desktop right now but I’ll figure it out. My Tekno SC is bored as a Short Course! 😂
I'd have to disagree. This thing is every bit as fun as the max, pretty much as durable as the max, handles far better out of the box, has a servo that actually doesn't need to be replaced immediately and cost $100 less.
I was wondering about servo. Looking at torque specs make me wonder how the Kraton will do. As for the maxx I’ve had 2. I never sent them higher the 5-10 feet but broke 4 rear bulkheads and 2servo. I love the maxx but not the hype
lol what? To the religious leaders, Jesus was an outcast. His teaching was unorthodox to them and still is to most of the world! Anymore, if you proclaim Jesus as Lord and Savior in public, you’re an outcast to the world, and should boast in Him. As for the 5 spoke design…isn’t that simply a geometric shape? Because the occult uses a pentagram inherently means it’s evil? So when the point is up, and it’s just a star, is it okay? I’m a born again believer and proclaim the good news, but this comment is simply ridiculous. It’s hyper religious and full of presumption. I pray you can be set free from legalism. 🙏🏻🙏🏻 and I mean that.
strange place to speak your religious mission. Speaking of missions , did you watch mission impossible? Politics and religion, lets keep it out of the hobby. Or at least repent on Sundays .
Excellent overview as usual. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching
The new Tekno Mt410 and the Outcast back to back…. future comparison video? You’ve been very busy, thanks for the introductions. It will be interesting to see it on 6s. Had a granite and did 4s but it was just too much.
Yeah it's been a pretty crazy couple of months. Hopefully I'll have the 6s video out in the next day or two
Awesome coverage of the Outcast. I'm seriously considering getting one. This video really helped. I love your method of removing the gasket from the diff. Great job driving and bashing. I'm sold.... 👍🏁
Yeah I definitely recommend giving these trucks a try. Theyre some of the best ones available right now.
This truck is awesome! Looks fun to drive in smaller spaces with all the flips and wheelies. I want to pick one up.
It's one of the best RC cars out there. I highly recommend it!
Great vid, man. I just got the Arrma big rock 3s and am now looking into stepping up to 4s.
Awesome trucks. I don't think you would be disappointed
I can tell you from experience that I've already bought 2 spur gears for that center diff. I performed a transplant into my 4S Kraton V2. And twice the spur has broken into a bunch of pieces. The metal used is not good. I can almost guarantee you the aftermarket will be selling upgraded steel spur gears for the new center diff setup. And yes the mesh was right. Etc. Etc. Also the way the gear is held onto the diff assembly is also a poor design. The screws that hold it on are only barely doing so. There's nothing actually bolting the gear to the diff. It just slides on and gets semi clamped in place by small bolts. But that's not actually fastening the gear to the diff. I believe this is causing a lack of structural support for the gear. As it is essentially floating. Not fixed.
Interesting. You're the only person I've heard that's broken one. Not saying no one else has had it happen but I'm not sure it's super common.
Look real good, drove and bashed great. Good job on the center diff 20 million wt.
Yeah it's a lot of fun!
Definitely an improvement on the v2, looks like they have addressed most of the issues, agree fully on straps 👍the v2 chassis put me off enough to sell mine, now tempted to get the 2.5 👌
Yeah I took a nosedive hard enough to actually break the front bumper which I've never done on one of these and the chassis is still fine. I think it's fixed.
Merry Christmas ... Awesome video as always. Just FYI you can save some money going to a Plumbing store to but some 2" , 3" or even 4" reinforced foil tape instead of buying the kit. You'll get a roll of at least 50 meters for quite reasonable money and do a heap of bodies .. But I'm with you, here in Sydney Australia I use plasterboard ( sheetrock as you guys call it) mesh joint tape and as shoe glue is hard to get here we use clear liquid nails and it works beautifully . I always hot glue the mesh tape on here and there to hold it in position before the liquid nails goes on..
Yeah. I figured the tape was something generic but I was curious to try the kit.
Sweet double flip at the end of the bash!! I remember on my 6s notorious no matter how fast you were going if you pulled full trigger it wheelies every time! Looks like the new 4s is a wheelie monster too
That's pretty much the way this is too. If you ran thinner center differential fluid it wouldn't do that as much but I like the madness :-)
lol me too the madness makes it fun and challenging to drive
@Adubbs87 yep
Woahhhh what the heck is that thing attached to your battery strap at 2:55 mine doesn’t have that😮 btw m2c 4s v2.5 bash bar shout out for life
That's a piece that they included with the original 2.5 version vehicles. I'm really not sure what their plan for it was as I could never get it to work properly I ended up just cutting it off. I'm sure someone thought it was a good idea but it certainly wasn't for my battery.
awesome glad to see it's not got the same issue as the 6s. Definitely want to see it on 6s been considering grabbing one and going 6s with it.
Yeah I couldn't notice the issue at all. I think it's good
I use heatshrink tubing to hold the bearing to the center drive shaft in place. Kind of a pain to remove the heatshrink and bearing after the fact. But it's better than the bearing consistently moving off its support.
Not a bad idea. I mostly just ignore it but your solution sounds better :-)
I agree I like two nice battery straps not all that crap hooked to them👍
Yeah I can deal with my own cable management. I'm not really sure what they intended you to do with these as at least as far as I can tell they're not really usable in this vehicle.
I'll be picking Mines up after work today
Awesome let me know what you think about those battery straps
Wow great idea with the washer on the gasket..brilliant!
Thanks Glad you enjoyed!
I may have figured out the servo issue
on Arrma Outcast 4s V2. So I turned those black guards on the front shocks to face away from the drive shaft and now it’s turning almost on a dime.
I’ve had mine for about 5 months and the turning radius was always bad. I saw the wear on the drive shaft there those guard were so I just lifted the spring and now have them facing away from the drive shaft and now it’s awesome.
I mean that has to be it because I haven’t changed it from stock at all.
Let me know if it works for you and if it does just give me a shout out on a video.
Good luck, I hope it works for you.
🤙🏻
Interesting. I'll check it out!
that truck across the street I used to drive for them when I first got out of the Army, LOL I have to do it I got 52 with the Kraton on the street. 😁 Mine is acting like the Sledge it wont hold a wheelie, the front tires are like pizza cutters and you can hear the motor really winding out i pulled the diff out and it was mostly empty! I could see bare metal on one side and after 1 pack the Florida sand got in the bearings!! One run the bearings on the diff are crunchy I am going to try taping that hole on the bottom what is wierd the Kraton has plastic on the hood where the dimples happen it rests on the shock tower so far no dimples why do this on one not the other?
Yeah sometimes the diffs will be underfilled from the factory.
Not sure what you mean about the body.
@DoRC on the Kraton there are 2 black plastic bolt on bulges? On the front near the body pin holes. Seems to me this was to reinforce the hood area where it always dimples. Its only on the Kraton not the Outcast I find that strange.
@L2theWcarscoffeelife ah interesting. I haven't owned a Kraton 4s so I wasn't aware. Yeah a similar thing would be nice.
When the 4S line first came out I was kinda annoyed by it, because it just seemed cheap, but it’s evolved into something that feels like an electric, bashing oriented version of what the first ever truggies were like in the 2000’s
I’m tempted on the new 4S Kraton, would probably suit some dish wheels nicely
I'm really enjoying this outcast. It's got all the fun and durability of the max while handling better and costing less
The cvd guard is to prevent them from snapping like some have been doing.
Yes from what I heard it prevents debris from getting between the CVD and the chassis and damaging the CVD. It closes that gap up.
Arrma always makes beautiful looking bodies. They do have that going for them atleast.
For sure. This truck is also pretty awesome.
Oh yeah. Their vehicles are generally excellent. I've always preferred Arrma over Traxxas. The recent ESC programmer box drama has hurt the brand's image in my eyes, but I can't deny they have very talented designers.
@IISG93II these sorts of things happen though I will say it's a little frustrating how Horizon tends to take a never apologize standpoint when problems arise. I'm sure in the long run it is actually better for the brand because people have short attention spans and will move on pretty quickly but it doesn't feel the best when it's happening.
Great video for me. I'm building myself an Outcast and definitely using the newest parts besides the straps. I have the old chassis, but it will be good for learning and if it breaks the new version hopefully won't. I really like the new colors too.
Unless you're really going crazy or bashing and very cold weather you probably won't have too much trouble with the outcast chassis. I found most people tended to break the Kraton chassis more just because it was longer
@DoRC city bashing and yeah I also live in the North East. Basically skate park bashing, which is funny since my city doesn't have a skate park. I've totalled a few rigs in the past 3 years. This outcast won't be finished until next summer unless I get a surprise donation. 😁
I wasn't hinting at anything as I read it again.
@@Macgyver46 I do giveaways but probably not anything that would help you with that project
@DoRC with my very limited budget, I'm always looking for ways to get anything RC related. I've also had extremely good luck with giveaways online, 39 total wins since 2016. Can't say I've enter many rc related ones yet. Thanks for the heads up.
nice to see the foil tape didn't interfere with the radio signal
Hey good point I didn't even think about that but yeah it didn't seem to make any difference.
that tape just looks like hvac tape honestly... i had heard the esc issue was only to the 150amp... hopefully our programmers work on it
It's a little bit more stout than the HVAC tape I've used but yeah I'm sure it's just some standard tape that they've repurposed. That being said it does seem to work pretty well.
@@DoRC cant wait to see i dont do the drywall an shoe goo its just to much work an not enough benefit for me i will just buy a fresh body most these body aren't to expensive
I love your videos! So much information compressed in a few minutes. Thats perfect!
Would you agree that silicone earplugs are same like the diff silicone you used?? I have some earplugs here and I miss wheelies on the stock setup😊
Ear plugs are a bit thicker than the 20 million Traxxas silicone. If you want the best stunt performance definitely go with the silicone ear plugs. Just keep in mind that the stiffer you make the center differential the less it is able to absorb shock loads so the more likely it is your break things.
Okay, my lhs has 2mil fluid in stock. I guess I will use this for a good compromise. Thanks!
This new center diff might fix one of my only gripes either my friend’s Outcast 4S (which was that it wheelies way too much, even though he runs it on 3S). Might end up getting the new Kraton sometime
Yes the center differential definitely helps with that problem.
I put it up against the maxx before and one thing that the outcast lacked was the center diff. I am sure now having a center diff its a better choice than the maxx.
Yeah against the max the only thing it was really lacking was that center differential and it did keep me from making it my big 4S recommendation but now It handles better, a cheaper, seems to be pretty much as durable and has all the same features.
Nice rc car
Agreed!
Great video
Thanks and thanks for watching!
Arrma battery straps are poor. I got 10 yards of cable tie velcro from Amazon, with 50 buckles for about ten bucks. My K6s now has 3 thick, long and strong straps.
I like to get the Kevlar battery straps off of I think Lumineers website. They work really well.
I might have a brother for my outcast lol
I like them over the kraton. Fun!
Check out my latest video. This thing's a monster!
I can’t wait till I get mine. Unfortunalty it cost $1000 tho 😢
Cost $1,000 where?
Cool video! This rc looks like is so fun to drive. I wonder if the center differential module (without the motor can be installed on a Granite? I think it would be nice 😊
Do you know where we can buy "Top Tubz RC RC Body Reinforcement KIt" in America?
No I think you have to get them directly from top tubs and those come from the UK.
nice summary and best body collar! it does not fit the 6s truck, right? 😅😅
No it'll be too small.
All the latest parts for Arma trucks are all on backorder. Way to go horizon hobby.
Yeah they do seem to be having some supply issues.
Not going to buy the outcast v2.5 when I already have the V2. Want the center diff and power module. Doesn't look like l will be getting it anytime soon.
@@Schmidt3850 Yeah seems like there's a lot of stuff out of stock
Can you Send me a link to the diff fluid or stuff you used?
Pretty much any silicone differential fluid will work. There's a bunch different brands out there and they're all basically the same.
Oh, it’s gonna be better than gorilla tape I can’t assure you of that especially if you don’t heat your gorilla tape like most people don’t like me. Just curious brand new vehicle with the center differential and you just up the fluid and stiff it to get backflips and wheelies it’s an OutKast. It already does them quite easily almost too easily so I was just Wondering do you have theMojave 4s and do you have experience with that ?love your channel very informative and truthful information. Thank you.
Yes I've got some videos on the new Mojave. Definitely a fun car.
I upped the center differential fluid before I drove it just because I felt how loose it was out of the box and knew that I was going to want to stiffen it up a little bit so I figured I might as well go ahead and do it now.
For me a stunt truck is all about wheels up craziness and so I like to enhance that as much as possible. One of the main reasons why I liked the center differential less previous version was because of how easily it wheel lead. The center differential tuning is definitely a personal thing though and 20 millions certainly not going to be for everybody.
Thinking about this or the Kagama roller (I already have an 8s Spektrum esc) It will be my basher 90% of the time at skatepark, general bashing and pretty much everything else. I know you think highly of both of the cars, but do you have a suggestion for me?
That's a really tough one. They're both very good cars and I don't think you would be disappointed with either. Personally I would just go with whichever one you think is cooler.
Informative video! 🫡 Subbed
Thanks!
Wassup man! Can you just put a 6s battery right in? Like plug and play?
Not with the stock ESC. It's only good up to 4S
I was gonna run 6s in mine but couldnt get the motor to clear that bearing.. although there is that castle 1515 if im not mistaking that will handle 6 and 8s and has a smaller diameter.. but id love to see 6s
Yeah the stock motor should be able to handle it.
@@DoRC sweet!! Thanks for the feedback!
@@basherz_denhow did it go? Did you run the stock motor on 6s?
Not yet.. I might at some.. point but I ended up putting the whole set up in a bigrock 3s.. it was fun for a minute.... but too much for the big rock..
@@basherz_den probably too much for the Oc4 too, it does standing backflips on the stock system if you go up a couple teeth!
Thers a special kind of Trex tape that's way stronger than gorilla tape. It doesn't peel off nearly as easy..Cost more though
You know exactly what it is? I'd love to try it
@@DoRC Trex brute force
@@DoRC Walmart has it for like 16 dollars a roll
@@DoRC Amazon sells it to
@macmccartney5760 awesome I'll check it out.
The funny facts is you had to put traxxas 20M diff oil (from maxx and xmaxx😅) inside the center diff🤪
20 million isn't really necessary and honestly it reduces the handling but I like my stuff as stuntable as possible. That being said if you want 20 million Traxxas is pretty much the only place I know to get it.
1:40 best part !
Definitely a big improvement!
i broke the batheri strap too on my outcast thats bad
Yeah unfortunately the stock straps on most RTRs aren't great.
Not sure I understand your claim that the center diff absorbs shock loads and protects the drivetrain. Isn’t that one of the pros of a slipper clutch? I mean, I guess it does if you land on front or back wheels to some degree, but land on all 4 and it’s actually worse than a slipper, in my understanding.
In theory you're correct but in practice The center differential affords the same protection to the spur and pinion as a slipper while also protecting the rest of the drivetrain. It's very rare that the front and the rear of the car will have the exact same amount of traction. Without a center differential the entire drivetrain has to function as one unit and that means whichever end of the drive drain has more traction is going to dictate The speed of the entire drivetrain. Because of this when it experiences a shock load such as hitting the ground when spinning slower or faster than That impact dictates the entire energy impulse from that speed change has to travel through the whole drive train and be absorbed by the whole drivetrain. That tends to break things. They center differential allows the front and rear to spin a different speed so that's no longer the case. The center differential also performs the same job as the slipper clutch and protecting the spur and pinion because it allows the spur gear to essentially be partially independent from the rest of the drivetrain due to that difference in traction between the front and rear.
Ultimately it's a pretty complicated thing to try to explain but in practice the center differential does a really good job of protecting the entire drivetrain whereas the slipper clutch is only really good at protecting the spur and pinion. The center differential is also both more tunable and more predictable in that tuning.
What was the problem with the original version's ESC?
Did I say there was one in the video? This was a while ago. What was the time stamp you're referring to?
@@DoRC You mentioned an issue with the 150A V2 ESCs. czcams.com/video/oITh1JVWOYk/video.html
The velcro on the v1 were great. Idk why they keep lossing their heads over new baterry straps
Yeah I don't understand it. Honestly I don't even know how these battery straps are supposed to work. The way the little blocks are designed it forces you to push the actual strap down the side and it's between the battery and the side guard. Just doesn't work.
I don't understand why they can't just give us two good strong straps nothing fancy and be done with it.
@@DoRC people complaining about the wires flopping😕
Yeah.
Maxx killer 😂lmao! handles better! Well that's lucky since he is quite as wide as long😂 don't forget the shims🤪
Btw it still looks very nice and fun to drive✌️
The dimensions are actually very similar to the wide maxx. This handles way better, seems to be pretty much as durable, doesn't need a servo out of the box has better tires and is over $100 cheaper. I've got a lot of experience with both of them and I genuinely feel like this is better.
@@DoRC i agree about tires and servo that's a shame for traxxas! What a pita... I'm still very curious about durability after 50/100 runs. What about very cold runs? Under 0°c (under 32°f) my own experience shows maxx (with 6s, what means heavier than 4s) hold that way better than all the arrma of friends (kraton v5 6s, typhon 6s and Notorious v5).
Everytimes i have to finish all the lipos😂🥵 due to rod end, a arms, diff krkrkrkrkkr noise.
Again, no brand War✌️✌️ just RC!👌
@mous4701 Yeah I found it most of those problems don't really exist on the 4S line. That being said I also live in a fairly warm climate. I had quite a few packs through my original V2 Outcast and it held up very well. I suspect the Max is still a little bit more durable but all things considered I think the outcast wins.
Should of left the center differential alone and put 30k to 50k in the front diff. Stop them tires from ballooning. But its about preference.
Putting thicker fluid in the front differential doesn't really stop the front tires from ballooning. Front tires balloon when power bleeds off through the center differential to those front tires causing them to spin faster than the rear tires. Running thicker center differential fluid is the best way to reduce front tire ballooning.
@DoRC I stand corrected. I was mixing up ballooning to diffing out. I've always tuned my 6s cars 50k front 30k rear and one million center.
@@ralphhondaman Yeah it's all personal preference. I like my stunt vehicles to be as wild as possible so the thicker the better in the center :-)
Cool looking truck any sale on it cupons for xmas coming up
No idea though I doubt Horizon will put out any coupons for something so new especially if it's popular. They do have 4x points pretty often which equates to a pretty decent discount and depending on what LHS you have they might offer it for less.
Thanks for your videos! I'm new to the hobby and I think I've decided on this truck and the d300 charger/smart lipo gtech ecosystem, do to ease of use. Do you have a way I can donate to the channel? And second what's the largest 4s gtech battery I can fit in this truck?
Thanks again!
I appreciate the offer but don't really have any way of taking donations and it's not really the purpose of the channel anyway. I know they make one gtech 4S battery but I'm not sure what it's dimensions are. I think Buddy RC sells them. You should be able to get the dimensions off of their and then see if they match the battery tray dimensions. If you can't find that let me know and I'll see what I can come up with for you.
6:18 is that a cricket oval?
Football field.
I’m behind in comments, how was the steering? I want the Kraton 4S, but we race them and that car just didn’t turn.
Kind of hard to judge. Being a short wheelbase monster truck with thick fluid in the center differential pretty much any time you're on the throttle it's not going to turn but seemed okay.
I just ordered one of these was wondering what would be the best body reinforcer for a good price
Check out my video on body reinforcement. There are two main options. The best is cement board tape and e6000 and the other one is some sort of tape. Tape as much easier but if you want the best the cement board tape and e6000 is the way to go.
thanks man@@DoRC 🙂
Maxx killer! Lolol. Comedy😂
I don't think so. I've got quite a bit of experience with both platforms and this thing seems to be just about as durable, handles way better, doesn't immediately need a servo, is just as much fun and costs over $100 less. What specific advantage does the max have?
What is you opinion one trigger response Leggy or fast response
I think the stock system is fairly responsive. I'm not the best person to ask though as I'm not super sensitive to latency.
Kraton 4s? That one was already good enough and all they did was discontinue two colors and change them for two others for the refresh. This is a stunt truck, neither the Maxx or the K4s are stunt trucks. A better comparison IMHO would have been the K4s and the Maxx if you looking for a Maxx killer. They are like for like. That said I guess people could choose this over the Maxx, they would not be getting the same experience from either truck but I do see how they may have a choice to make. I personally am more a K4s/Maxx man, I have the Stunt Trucks and for me they are fun but yeah, a Max or K4s will do the same stuff but the Outcast having a shorter wheelbase is more unstable so not as good at high speed. If high speed off-road runs are your thing then you wouldn't choose this over the Maxx. Awesome bit of kit though. IMHO Outcast in nay config has always had the better body.
The V2 Max is closer in wheelbase to the Outcast then the Kraton. It's also a high center of gravity monster truck rather than a Truggy (It's taller than either the outcast or the Kraton with a classic high CG style chassis). I think you could make the case for comparing it to either one but I feel like the max is a stunt truck and so is the outcast while the Kraton is more of a truggy.
That being said anything that applies to the outcast as compared to the maxx will pretty much also apply to Kraton so it doesn't really matter which one you compare them to. They both are still better handling cheaper basically have the same features and are nearly equally as durable.
Also all of the updates that they did to the outcast they also did to the Kraton.
I agree best 1/10 imo
Yeah it didn't quite make it with the 2.0 version simply because it didn't have a center differential but now that it does this thing is cheaper handles better and seems to be just as durable. I really no longer see a reason to recommend the maxx to anyone.
Yeah but even the v2s were Cheaper and the maxx I have had issues with to do with the spur gear and bulkheads braking
Also the drive shafts broke all the time so I got metal ones but they are expensive
Also the drive shafts broke all the time so I got metal ones but they are expensive
@@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj Yeah the max does need a few upgrades to be good. So far it doesn't even seem like this is going to need a servo. The stock servo isn't the fastest in the world but it gets a job done and seems pretty durable.
Great video! Would you take the outcast 4s 2.5 or the new tekno mt410 2.0? I'm leaning towards the MT410, but the outcast is tempting. Thanks!
It depends on what you're looking for. They're too pretty different beasts. The MT-410 is quite a bit smaller but of course an overall higher quality vehicle. It's also going to cost you quite a bit more to put together but you get to customize your electronics tires body etc.
Taking the build experience out of it if I was just recommending one or the other as a general basher I would go with the outcast though. It's cheaper, bigger and probably similar in durability.
@@DoRC thanks! I'm also considering a granite or Rival MT10. I actually want a small true 1/10 truck as an alternative to my kraton 1/8 exb v1. I live in a city and can't always take the kraton out because it's too big to run. I want something that would be great in small places to rip around, take it to skate spots etc. The smaller lighter trucks are appealing because I think they are more durable and will take more of a beating. I'm not into taking the kraton to the skate parks, you need to treat it like a baby and drive it perfectly. Thoughts?
@@pizzomedia7261 in that case I think the Omni Terminator is a great thing too consider. It's pretty small but bashes like a bigger truck
@@DoRC cool I'll check it out, thanks!
@@DoRC none of the hobby sites sell it so I'm guessing parts and support are not good. This would probably be a dealbreaker for me.
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Thanks for watching :-)
I broke the same strap. Not a fan of the new straps either.
Yeah I'm not sure exactly what they were expecting you to do with them. Since the block has to go on top that means the strap has to go down the side to Velcro together and there's no room down there. Seems pretty silly and almost like nobody actually tested it.
That’s just duct work tape , foil tape that’s threaded, I’ve use regular foil tape and I have that tape in white but not foil , I think your right gorilla tape is better , strength wise but it is heavy. It’s a nice kit though nevertheless. 20 m too thick for me , I’ve used 500k and million but that’s my absolute thickest ,
I think it's a little bit beefier than standard ductwork tape but I'm sure it is just some standard tape that they've repackaged. It does seem to work pretty well though especially for the ease of installation and the little amount of added weight.
Center differential fluid thickness is always going to be a personal thing. For me short wheelbase monster trucks are for wheelies stunts backflips and being generally crazy so I go as thick as I can without defeating the purpose of the center diff entirely.
@@DoRC I agree brother, I do see foil tape like that , I just thought it was from 80s and before 😂
man i wish mine would show up still no info on shipping
That's a bummer. I got mine through my local hobby shop and I think that's the way I'm going to be going from now on. He seems to get stuff reliably
@@DoRC they are telling my local its not available same as HH told me yesterday
@@RC4us weird
@@DoRC here's the real kicker i just saw its now showing available on HH but checking my details still says waiting shipping
@RC4us hmm
How long u wait for your truck
I ordered it through my LHS the day it came out and got it the day before yesterday
I cant find this anywhere on the internet?
Should be on horizon's website.
Thanks I will go take a look
@@DoRC
I can only find the v2@@DoRC
@The_RC_Daddy ah. Yeah Arma actually didn't increment the version number at all when they brought this out even though it has a bunch of updates. I came up with the V2.5 moniker just to differentiate it from the previous version but these are still technically V2 vehicles. You can make sure you're getting the updated one just by looking at the description and making sure it has the center differential. I believe the ones that don't are discontinued.
Brilliant, thank you for the information@@DoRC
I dont like 2 cable just 1 is best on esc
Sorry I'm not quite sure what you mean.
@DoRC the battery wires should go back to 1 cable tho I found a way with my 1 just put tru shock mount an tape the one up not in use
@owen8538 ah ok. I agree. I think that most people these days are only using one battery and the second connector and all of its associated wiring just does more harm than good.
20M is a big issue lol. But with the stock fluid it will probably be around 5M. 100k is a bit low but 200k or 500k should be alright. My 6s trucks use 200k with LSD and its plenty wheelies on demand. Only my neros needs 500k-1M. 20M is pretty much almost locked. 20M works on 1/6 and 1/8 because they are heavier but bad for lightweight trucks
Not in my experience. The max comes stock with 20 million and 20 million feels just about right on this truck too. That being said it really depends on what you want to do. For me a short wheelbase stunt truck is for wheelies backflips and doing stupid things and it's perfect for that. And it really doesn't lock it up as much as you think I can still hold the front wheel still and spin the back wheels with no issue.
Did bro just steal his sister’s acetone nail remover 💀💀💀
No but the one my gf had inspired me to buy that one :-)
@@DoRC ohhhhh 😂 good choice lol
That's you opinion the maxx is a better basher the outcast is a better stunt truck
Absolutely and my opinion is worth just about as much as anybody else's :-) That being said I have a fair amount of experience with both platforms and I would say that the Outcast is nearly as durable as the max out of the box if not more durable when taking into account things like the servo, is just as much fun to bash and cost $100 less.
That being said the max is still a really good truck and is definitely not made obsolete by this! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Maxx all day chassis are cheese on the arrmas
Not anymore. They reinforced the weak area in the front. Bulkheads are cheese on the maxx:)
@@DoRC arrma s will always be a down grade to a Maxx or xmaxx I’m afraid unless ur sponsored by arrma you going to pump them up
The maxx v2 is the OutKast killer
I'm not sure I agree. I've got quite a bit of experience with both and this car has pretty much all the same features, handles far better, is just about as durable, has better tires, doesn't immediately need a servo and cost over $100 less.
Telugu price bro
Telugu?
Telugu ha
#6sbaby
It's coming:)
This is not a crawler. 100% the sway bars are not there due to corporate penny pinching.
Maybe though after driving it I'll say that I think I like how it handles over rough stuff better than the previous version with the sway bars.
Maxx killer! 😂 Maxx handles so poorly just crazy tough.
Yeah and until this thing had a center differential the max still beat it out but this thing is very tough handles are much better and is quite a bit cheaper.. I think it is a Max killer. I will be recommending this over the max from now on
I went to more info and about and didn’t see your email.
@@williamperri3437You have to look at it on desktop to see the email address. I don't know why
@@DoRC Oh! When you said desktop I immediately figured it would be fine on my laptop, but NOPE! I actually don’t have a desktop right now but I’ll figure it out.
My Tekno SC is bored as a Short Course! 😂
@@williamperri3437 No it should work fine on your your laptop. It just doesn't work on mobile.
Maxx killer bhahah mote like maxx wana be
I'd have to disagree. This thing is every bit as fun as the max, pretty much as durable as the max, handles far better out of the box, has a servo that actually doesn't need to be replaced immediately and cost $100 less.
I was wondering about servo. Looking at torque specs make me wonder how the Kraton will do. As for the maxx I’ve had 2. I never sent them higher the 5-10 feet but broke 4 rear bulkheads and 2servo. I love the maxx but not the hype
@Havingoneofthosedays- From my experience so far the servo seems to be just fine. I don't expect it to be any different in the Kraton.
2:40 just remove it.
Yeah I've removed them in the past. I'm really just not sure why they keep putting them on there.
don’t like it because it’s clearly a reference to lucifer aka satan. outcast name and pentagram wheels. 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
I'm going to assume you're joking right?
lol what? To the religious leaders, Jesus was an outcast. His teaching was unorthodox to them and still is to most of the world! Anymore, if you proclaim Jesus as Lord and Savior in public, you’re an outcast to the world, and should boast in Him. As for the 5 spoke design…isn’t that simply a geometric shape? Because the occult uses a pentagram inherently means it’s evil? So when the point is up, and it’s just a star, is it okay?
I’m a born again believer and proclaim the good news, but this comment is simply ridiculous. It’s hyper religious and full of presumption.
I pray you can be set free from legalism. 🙏🏻🙏🏻 and I mean that.
@NewLifeRC989 Well this is the first religious discussion in my comments section. Interesting :-)
strange place to speak your religious mission. Speaking of missions , did you watch mission impossible?
Politics and religion, lets keep it out of the hobby. Or at least repent on Sundays .
Yeah I’m sure it would sell better if it was called the Arrma Messiah and had crosses on the wheels.