The Evolution of Destiel: A Video Essay
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2021
- An in depth dive into the journey of Destiel. How it was born, how it developed, the dynamics inside and outside of the show, and how those impacted each other.
PART TWO: • The Fiction of Free Wi...
THIS IS NOT A SPOILER FREE VIDEO
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“Cas is... his best buddy and roommate that he’s raising a child with at the age of 40” I CACKLED BECAUSE IT’S TRUE
35:08 for anyone who wants to practice their spit take
3 men and an adult baby.
Dean more or less fears Jack and only seems to learn to love the kid in the final episodes and was totally ready to blow him to bits.
I just realized, exactly that happened at the end of season 4 in Sherlock. But they're just bachelor's, no big deal.
@@PopDropChannel literally💀
That's like when two women in the 19th century never take husbands and live together on a little farm in Vermont and historians call them "close friends."
"He's in love... with humanity" has the same energy as "Reki, my love......... of skateboarding"
Yup. 🤭
It was the gaslighting that really pissed me off. I studied film analysis. I know what romantic tropes look like! Don’t tell me I’m seeing things that aren’t there.
Also, I am of the VERY firm opinion that the bibro finale is them trying to eat their cake and have it too (yes, the saying is switched around, I find it makes more sense this way).
They gave Destiel shippers a crumb with the confession, but they didn’t want to piss off the bibros by having it reciprocated. And they knew they couldn’t have Cas in the finale without it coming up, and if it came up and Dean went either way, it would piss one group or another off.
Which is why Cas is mentioned as being offscreen, but we never saw him. Which just ended up pissing us off anyway, and also managed to destroy one of the major themes of the show (that of found family being just as important as blood). Which pissed off more than just the Destiel shippers. And the fact that this bid thing happened, and you never mention it again? What?
So they pissed all but the hardcore bibros off (the ones who call Misha “Mushy”, and holy shit that is so disrespectful!). I’ve always thought that if all they want is a a show about Sam and Dean, they have the first three seasons. Though it wouldn’t have lasted longer than two without bringing in at least some interesting guest characters. Because a show with only two people as the focus gets very boring, very quickly.
And we know that the show runners and some writers are definitely eat their cake and have it too people, because of how long they q*eerbaited us. And I’m also still pissed off about the nepotism that allowed the worst writing team to stay on forever. I loathed Buckleming. I cannot think of a single episode of theirs I liked. And the only reason they stayed on is that Eugenie Ross-Leming is Bob Singer’s wife. Admittedly I’m biased- both Bob and Buckleming were notoriously anti Destiel.
You're seeing things that aren't there. Bro I'm cringing hard as fuck going down the rabbit hole of people talking about s15 and seeing that a lot of people LEGIT believe there's something between cas and dean when there just clearly isn't Idk what it is with the lgbt community always shipping and doing weird fanfic but Dean is clearly a straight af alpha male stereotype. Cas is. just cas. These dudes have been through hell and shit literally. Saying ily does not mean they're trying to be together. I'm sure there's plenty of occurrences in the military where two dudes who have fought through shit together have said they love each other because that just what happens. Even if you hate a squadmate you bond and are connected to them and care deeply for them because basic human survival.
@@bignaaasty5096 Misha Collins HIMSELF admitted his "I love you" was said in a homosexual way, that it WAS written that way. Castiel did love Dean, right from the beginning, and it was very obvious. If DEan was DEanna, there woulf be NO question about it.
@@maryellendesmarais6431 he may have said it was written that way but does what any of the writers say in the last like. 5 seasons matter? Because regardless whether or not its story or basic dialogue it was always poorly written. And if it WAS written that way then the dialogue and mishas acting did a terrible job of hinting it. I'm a dude. I know what its like to be friends with other dudes. It's different from how girls are. Probably a little offensive but a girl just wouldnt understand cues and shit between guys. Just like I dont understand how girls are like other girls do. If dean was a girl it still wouldnt make sense because the dialogue nor the acting nor even just the way the characters were written made sense for it. I honestly dont care that much but it's annoying seeing people trying to reflect themselves onto fictional characters so hard they beg the writers to make them gay or whatever. Happens with any media. Regardless though dean was written (especially since the CW took over) to be a stereotypical manly man. And ever since post CW hes been used for fish out of water comedy where a stereotypically old school guy is in a modern politically correct society. Gay jokes. Sexist jokes. Alcohol jokes. Food jokes. Very steretype male behavior. Just the way hes written at a basic level makes it not make sense and just in general nothing in the show hinted at dean reciprocating any type of feeling for cas. And regardless of who says what I dont think cas ever showed that interest. They always had a brothers bond through violence type vibe.
@@bignaaasty5096 I’m assuming you are a straight man who wouldn’t see how a gay or bi or lgbtqi+ man would look and act with a man he’s in love with . Just like you wouldn’t understand a woman. And you’re telling me I wouldn’t understand a straight man. Your opinion is yours. But it’s not correct, it’s only your opinion. Have a nice day. I wish you to be more open to people who aren’t like you. And guess what/ a manly man can still be bi. He ca. Still bang woman. That’s the point.
“Supernatural fans are people who hate the show the most” as a current Supernatural fan, I wholeheartedly agree
Haha same!!
🎉😂❤
Love and hate aren't on opposite ends of a spectrum. As your capacity for love increases, so does your capacity for hate.
The thing tho is that the Show Supernatural accidentally stumbling into this epic love story they never intended and then having said love story actively shape large swathes of the show itself feels weirdly.... on theme for spn? Like the whole fucking point is Team Free Will and somehow the TV Show Itself managed to Free Will itself with a gay angel,, like they wrote Cas Is The Only One Who Actually Defies God or whatever Into the show but also that’s exactly what happened irl TO their show
This is so true my brain exploded like a melon on the sun!
I love this!
well dang, that sounds like an introduction to a really interesting essay
The angel isn't gay bro
@@randomepic6204 the angel is gay as hell
Guys-the finale was a nightmare wake up. Dean kissed Cas and they're both alive and living a nice life. As for Sam, he married Eileen and they had a bunch of kids. Your welcome :)
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They finally had the retirement plan that Dean mentioned offhandedly where they all live in a hut on the beach with their matching hawaiian shirts.
@@catboymccartney yes sippin on margaritas till the sunsets
@@savannah1328 and toes in the sand
@@atomiclena128 yes exactly UuU
Funny how homophobic jokes made the show homosexual
lol it's kinda rude to call the writers that
@@ritzcrayons5849 it's also rude of the writers to queerbait fans for 12 years and act like we're the crazy ones
@@thepacksurvives71 I agree, I was calling the writers homophobic jokes
@@ritzcrayons5849 oh, shit!
@@thepacksurvives71 they didnt yall just see what you want
i have NEVER watched a single episode of supernatural so that scene at 38:55 with no context literally just looks like two boyfriends breaking up. How did they have the *nerve* to tell their fanbase that they were crazy and then pull some shit like that????
It's two friends, one of whom holds the other responsible for his mothers death, parting ways. That's heartbreaking in of itself.
the “now you can’t even look at me” line is so cliché for couple arguments it’s like, given they’ve been doing this for fifteen years, they probably knew what they were doing
To be fair that was from the final season when they finally decided Destiel was real (just didn't tell anyone yet) but I feel you!
That was when the show was already shit, and the writers weren’t hiding it anymore. You would never see a scene like that in season 5.
And scenes like that never happened between Sam and Cas, it was always Cas and Dean.
"but he also... wasn't his brother!" really got me, lmao
No he was/is his friend and Dean loved him as a *brother* .
@@kriszgamer0013 Then the show should've confirmed that AFTER the confession instead of dangling a carrot. If they want to leave Dean's feelings "up to interpretation" then they have to deal with us interpreting it as romantic
@@elliart7432 Truth.
Thank god. I thought I was the only one that thought Wincest was gross :P
"but i do think that the perspective of someone who actually enjoys and cares about the show is useful in this situation" exactly exactly, i've been waiting for a video essay made by someone who actually gets it
Same, this is the video essay I've been waiting for!
all the other takes are so rooted in half remembered discourse from 2015 it's paintful!!!
I stopped watching somewhere around the beginning of season 14, life got in the way and I fell behind then I heard about something destiel happening the day after 15x18 aired so I avoided spoilers and caught up in time to watch the last 2 episodes live and see all of the backlash online and when I first watched 15x18 I was so happy because I didn’t expect them to actually do it then I saw the backlash and I was so sad, I do strongly agree with most of the backlash it’s just for supernatural I sort of understood that this was the most that we were gonna get when I was expecting it to stay subtext and I was so hopeful for the last two episodes until they actually aired of course
The way they stumbled into this extremely compelling love story totally unintentionally at first is so wild. And then to have it become this vital to the show's entire narrative... Nothing can be on this level again
They. Wernt. Gay. Or. Canon
@@randomepic6204 There.Is.Literally.A.Confession.Of.Love.And.If.It.Is.Not.Gay...then are there hundreds of unexplained scenes. For instance: Dean basically coming out in confession.
no....there isn't hundreds of unexplained scenes. Your looking for something that wasn't there. There's no scenes putting to rest the canon just a panel discussion of actors talking about it. That literally proves nothing btw.
If people want to see them as gay sure but they're not
@@randomepic6204 bro destiel is cannon. It was confirmed in the show in the last season.
@@convoy4444 no bro it's not canon. Stop lying
""The mixtape Dean gave Cas cannot be explained in a straight way", one of the best and truest lines regarding SPN.
Wrong
Why not? If I give a friend a mixtape, that doesn’t make me gay. It just means I’m giving a friend a present, although no one uses mixtapes anymore
Especially when he mentioned that John gave Mary a similar Led Zepplin mixtape to woo her
@@deadpooldan9862 if you are giving a mixtape to a friend in real life, that's fine, obviously that can be platonic. but this is a story where people were making deliberate choices for each scene. writers don't just include something like that for no good reason. it was a pointed and deliberate moment written by the same guy who wrote the love confession scene. dean grew up in an era where giving mixtapes was like THE number one romantic trope, he would be fully aware of the implications behind this even if cas wouldn't be. there was no reason to include that scene, telling us about something that happened off camera during an emotionally heated moment between the two of them other than to add extra romantic subtext to the relationship.
@@deadpooldan9862have you watched 90s media? You give a mixtape to a love interest, not your platonic bff
In the end, they where only together in Spanish.
idk why but this sentence made me laugh 😭😭😭
Not even that cause it was debunked lol
And french and german 👀
"...by showering him in compliments which Dean is notoriously bad at accepting because he hates himself..." That wasn't even about me, and I feel called out.
Same
This honesty made me chuckle a bit just because it’s kind of funny the way she says it
Thank you for talking about how they won the award for best chemistry in 2015 while competing against other actual canon couples in other tv shows
They're. not. canon.
@@randomepic6204 THEY . ARE . CANON
NO.THEY. ARENT. CANON
@@randomepic6204 canon or not that’s not what my comment said . I said that jensen and Misha won an award for best on screen relationship despite the fact that their COMPETITORS were actual canon couples
Yea I know lol
Cas and Dean defying Chuck's narrative for them so perfectly mirrors their defiance of the people creating the show and how their love story was born despite no one expecting it
What love story? Yhetre not gay lol
It also fits in perfectly with the undeniably q*eer narrative of breaking free from expectations (particularly parental expectations, shown with dean+john and cas+chuck's relationships) and choosing to be with the family you've chosen. the show had had q*eer themes since the beginning (ex: "family don't end in blood" and the repeated theme of choosing to be authentic) and it would've been awesome to see that carried through to the finale.
@@randomepic6204 so you’re gay huh?
SPN relationship with it's fans is..interesting to say the least. I just always got the impression they were making fun of their fans instead of laughing with them.
Destiel is what drew me into the SPN fandom so it was nice that they finally acknowledge it.
And you were right....
"He never got married or took a lover. He only lived with his best friend until they died in each other's arms of old age. Platonically..." Lmao I'm crying and after taking a Medieval History class in college can say without a doubt is how they talked about any figures from the Middle Ages that were definitely homosexual. This was wonderful as ever, Katie
He didn't take a lover because it was to dangerous he they would end up being dead, they literally stated that multiple times
@@koleyturner5197 Pathetic lmao, congrats on your recent historian degree
FINALLY someone mentions how romantically coded Dean's relationship with Benny was. I mean, I may be slightly biased because Denny is my favorite SPN ship, but come on, that entire Purgatory business was basically a Twilight-esque paranormal love triangle!
My son pointed this out to me.
(He also said that Benny deserved better from SPN (just as Charlie should have deserved better))
As yes the gayest homophobic show I know.
Jokes aside this show had some incredible moments and fantastic acting. It really could’ve been turned into something great if they would’ve just committed and had some consistently good writing.
I want to say that it's not completely true that any who saw Diestiel hetero and platonic all the way beyond the love confession won't be convinced by this video: because I was.
I watched the whole show, even argued with the shippers, viewing the pair as completely platonic. I rolled my eyes at the Tumblr posts, the "there's no hetero explanation for this" content I saw plastered across the internet after every interaction.
I've followed this show close to the very beginning. On and off at points, but followed nonetheless. I explained away the love confession through hetero goggles and even groaned because I knew what the Destiel shippers would say.
Then I watched/listened to this while working one day, and my mind completely changed. Suddenly, I saw everything. I even felt the same retroactive disappointment for how hard the ball got dropped.
I still love this show, but what wasted potential.
It wasnt canon
oh i wanna lock jensen ackles in a room to watch this sooooo bad i wanna make him watch this sooo bad omfg
OMG IKR!!!
Omg this was my exact thought when I saw the screenshot in 27:10 . I love Jensen with all my heart but this video really put some stuff in perspective for me
@@CarolinaTorres-ry7nd same, sad
He looks like he is in denial mode
Now, let’s not get all Clockwork Orange just yet okay. I still haven’t gotten rejected from my art university of choice and started my ascension into creating a dystopia.
This video essay absolutely gutted me. The fact that they accidentally built such a beautiful love story that would have absolutely been see through if the characters were straight hurts SO badly but this did give me more appreciation for what they did actually do
The crypt scene where dean said "I need you" was originally scripted to say "I love you" but Jensen thought it was too out of character for Dean to admit it. And Jared confirmed that parallel between Collette/Cain and destiel was real!!! Also back in s8-9 the writers were discussing making them canon!!! & Misha tweeted that Dean was just too stunned in the moment to reply but that it didn't mean he didn't also feel it. Misha also said that gay love saved the universe!!!
Dean saying “I love you” to anyone is just too out of character. Yes, he’s said “we love you” and even said “I love you” to Sam, but the first was referring to him and Sam, and the second was right before he permanently died. For Dean to say “I love you” in a romantic way is too out of character and he’d probably never say it because he hates himself. I’m not saying it would be bad if he did say it, it would just feel really weird to hear him say it to anyone in a romantic sense.
Talking about the female love interests saying they were "either also objectified or killed off. Sometimes both!" [Insert shot of Thee Jessica Lee Moore] this whole video really hits Every Point and I love it thank you
Edit: spelling
"Died in each other's arms of old age...platonically." 😂🤣
Season 12-15 deancas rights, nobody talks about it in their analyses and they should, you're doing god's work
it’s so sad, that we all still feel delusional sometimes even after all, agh. this essay made me feel validated, thank you!
we all really were gaslit by a tv show and it's creators
Validated? An opinion video with 0 facts made you feel...validated? Ok
Why are people so obsessed with sexual orientation?? It literally doesn’t affect the storytelling at all. I swear the only people who care about this stuff are people who watch trash tv
@@Johnnysmithy24 I know this is a bit of an old comment, but I’m going to point something out to you anyway. I assume from the way you phrased your comment that you’re straight. If I’m mistaken, then I apologize. However, people are “obsessed with sexual orientation” because it’s representation. Straight relationships are plastered EVERYWHERE in media. Literally. Everywhere. All the time. But! There are people who aren’t straight. So, it’s only logical that they would want some representation in media to validate the fact that they are indeed normal and not alone. It also just helps with general acceptance. If more people see more mainstream non-heterosexual relationships that are treated normally, then it helps, for lack of a better term, normalize it. People (mostly homophobes) complain that any gay content they see is “an agenda being shoved down their throats” (not quoting you here, obviously; just a double standard/contradictory thing I’ve noticed) but don’t seem to realize that heterosexual content is in 99% of the media that they consume. This reply isn’t meant to be hostile or anything of that nature. Simply meant to inform and educate.
@@averylouise1024 Hello, thank you for the kind tone. I don’t have a problem with having gay characters in stories, my favorite show even has a several episodes arc about a character who is found to be gay. I have a problem with taking existing characters, with an existing special iconic friendship, and turning it into a gay romantic relationship when 1- Everything about them previously known disregards that idea(in the case of Dean who is the straightest man you can ever find, I understand Cass has no gender) and 2- There is absolutely no point for doing that in the story, it adds absolutely nothing to their characters other than follow an agenda
Dean is not gay or bisexual, and that is more than obvious. Cass while genderless, is not a human and shouldn’t experience romance in the same way humans do. What they have is a special relationship, an emotional connection, and there’s no reason why Cass should perceive it in a romantic or sexual way at all, when it can be perfectly understood in the form of a friendship, which is MORE THAN CLEAR is what Dean has always chosen to have with him. The tropes and inside jokes of couples that they used were just that, jokes, because of how close they are it’s supposed to make people laugh, not claim that they are secretly gay. What they did is almost insulting because it is like claiming that you can’t have a special bond like that without it being romantic. I myself have bonds like that with some of my best friends of all time, and we even make the typical inside joke of “hey you’re cheating on me” when we hang out too much with someone else because we are self aware of how we’re always together all the time. That’s what they are, they are jokes.
And lastly, for the fans of the show who know these characters as friends, it’s extremely weird and annoying to have them be lovers, cause that’s not how we perceive them, since that’s not what they were intended to be. And it ruins our perception of them, and makes it feel like cheap fan service
If this was a story about toxic masculinity or denial or sexuality for example, and the point of the characters was to turn out to be gay, to make a point and contribute to the themes, then I would see no problem with it, but it’s not. It adds nothing to their character and yet they shove it in your face like it’s so important, which makes it feel like an agenda
If people want inclusion(that isn’t forced or constantly brought everywhere), then just make original gay characters who are just gay because that’s who they are, from the beginning without big deal, and not because they’re trying to go along with a fanfic or an agenda. If you’re trying to make a story about some people suddenly finding out their sexuality, then do it in a romance or teen drama show where it fits and it’s just another story, if you want to make a commentary on homosexuality themes, then create a story that focuses on that. None of these things are the case of Supernatural, so yea it pisses me and other people off
On the topic of Dabb, I honestly believe he used destiel during his era as q*eer bait. Although he gave the "go ahead" to a lot of great destiel centric episodes, he said (during an interview which aired before the final episode) that about 30% of people would like the finale (aka bibros). To me, this seems like he's entirely aware of the effect the semi-cannon portrayal of destiel would appear, yet he did nothing to solve that issue except blame it on covid. He's also said before in interviews that he doesn't like working with Jensen, and that Misha was "disposable." Although they came off as sarcastic during the interviews, people pointed out that Jensen had unfollowed Dabb from most of his accounts, yet he continued to follow the other writers, producers, etc. Plus, Jensen has voiced his original opinion on the finale many times and said he was basically told "take it or leave it." That's not to say that Dabb was the one saying that, but it's likely he could be grouped in with the other execs Jensen tried to appeal to. You'd think that the writers would listen to their lead actor of 15 years when he brings up a point like this, but apparently not. Again, this is entirely my opinion I just thought it was some interesting information :) Amazing video, you're seriously doing the lords work!!!
Can you clear something up? When you said Jensen was told “take it or leave it”, is that what he said or the writers and stuff like that. Like was he upset with the finale and that Cas wasn’t in it or did he say to take it or leave it?
@@trubb1e sorry I should have worded that better. When Jensen first heard about the finale he didn’t like it. He’s told this story in a few interviews, but basically he and Jared sat with the writers to hear the finale and he said he left feeling a little on the fence about it, but didn’t really know what to say to a group of people who wrote the script (and obviously liked it). So he talked to the writers about it and they pretty much said “take it or leave it” and that he was “too close/involved in it.” Eventually, he ended up talking to Eric Kripke (the show creator) about his feelings towards the ending and Eric explained to him how it would be “good tv” or wtv. Nonetheless Jensen was pretty much gaslighted into liking the finale
@@trubb1e here’s a video of him explaining it czcams.com/video/TagKqCXpgCA/video.html
@@gracebrown6675 oooh okay thanks for clarifying. That sucks that they did that to them. At least we’re not the only ones unsatisfied with the ending!
@@gracebrown6675 wait , wait, wait😂😂 I didn’t watch the video before I responded, he said”think about it from a fan perspective.”?!?!?! They didn’t do that because a lot of us didn’t like it. And as you said in your original comment that they thought only 30% of us would like the ending.Wth😂
I'll never forget that poor bi girl that was humiliated at that panel. Really soured everything for me.
Yeah, she was a teenager too and it just feels like such a rude way to engage with a fan. If the actor was uncomfortable with the question, it honestly would have been kinder to just say something quick like "I don't play Dean as bi." Don't know why he had to say it like he did.
the spn cast was so vile to its queer fans lmao i kinda hate them for it. sometimes it makes me wish that destiel didnt become canon and the show would fade away into despised queerbaited shows a la voltron and sherlock
it all relates to what castiel said when they first met, “you dont think you deserve to be saved.”
Thank you so much for making an essay on this topic from the perspective of a current, unironic fan because many aspects cannot be fairly judged by an outsider. Judging Dean's reaction from an outsider's perspective isn't very fair because like you said, one of his biggest and most consistent character traits is being slow to process and except emotion most likely due to long term trauma. Not only this, but Dean has *never* once in the entire show been shown this much non physical/superficial affection completely divorced from the context of simply being better than someone crappy or being needed. This is a trait that's rarely represented (correctly that is) in media because, as this situation demonstrated, its not very viewer friendly to casual or first time audience members. I really admire Jensen's choice to hold true to his character rather than go with the reaction that would communicate the easiest visual shorthand.
Obsessed with the phrase “homoerotic angel buddy” can’t wait for part two
Cas isn't homosexual.....
@@randomepic6204 deez nuts
@@squishking cute, your nuts have dropped, awwww
@@randomepic6204 Cas could be bi because he’s an Angel, but Dean definitely isn’t. The point is it doesn’t matter because the show has nothing to do with homosexuality
@@Johnnysmithy24 no......bi is a human sexuality traits not a celestials. It's not compatible
Also misha said in an interview that he knew the ending before jensen so he was playing accordingly (as in love with dean) from s13 and the fact that fans literally thought this was just regular cas dean stuff but more blatant just shows that destiel was cannon from the start.
As an active fan myself i cant explain how much grateful i am for this. Explaining someone how destiel wasnt something in our heads was the most painful thing ever this was beautiful thankyou so much
Destiel is not real nor cannon. No one actor would be allowed to see scripts or know the ending well before the established lead actors would.
Destiel isn't Canon.
Lmao yall need to get a life, touch some grass maybe
@@carolinedee2932😂😂😂 yeah so he just made up a story. They are canon get over it❤
@@DrHorribleishere12 he did he LITERALY is making this bs up, and for the 3rd and final time we're going to tell you 🗣️🗣️🗣️IT IS NOT CANON, THEY ARE NOT IN LOVE NO YOUR GAY BUTT SEX FANTASY ISNT FACTS CRY ABOUT IT
"this struck a chord with a lot of fans whether they were gay or *gay and didn't realize it yet*"
I feel exposed.
Cas deserved so much more than the slap in the face the last two episodes gave him. I love this show and yet I detest so many of the choices made it's absolutely maddening.
Yeah castiel definitely deserved better I hated the way he was treated in the later seasons
Not me crying over Cas' confession for the hundredth time lmao.
This was such a good video, well done
Also, the people in those comments disrespecting Misha ("Mushy") - let's take this outside, shall we? Mish deserves everyone's love and I won't stand for this, fight me
Edit: Ah, those two comments were by the same person, went and had a look at their page and they're a massive Wincest shipper and a massive Misha hater
can't believe it's been two years and i've never gotten a hate comment about me calling supernatural a sci-fi show 20 seconds into the video when it literally isn't that at all. i don't know why i said that.
Spn writers will portray God as bisexual with no hesitation, but are too chicken to show one romantic scene between Dean and Cas 🙄😂.
I mean, I could see Cas being bisexual, but Dean?? Not in a million years
Thank you for making this, is still so frustrating how they created one of the most unique, special and organic relationships on tv by freaking accident and decided not to embrace it and make it worth it. Is everything a show and their writers could dream of. Making characters so special and played by the perfect actors that goes beyond themselves... It could've been so much more... And some people just don't get it, how much Destiel meant for the overall topic of the show of free will, growing up and changing, or the people who realized about themselves by seeing love that is not just heterosexual love as the industry keeps pushing as the only valid/epic/groundbreaking one. Such a good video, you did amazing, someone finally got it!
Watching the confession live that night LITERALLY felt like I was high
I thought I was having a stroke, blew my mind
Bro 38:55 is SUCH a breakup scene. Cas looks absolutely crushed, like he can't even believe they've gotten themselves to this point.
SPN writers' plan
1. Introduce a g ay ship
2. Q ueerbait fans to keep the ratings high
3. The ship actually becomes canon
4. The ship actually becomes canon
(formatted like the "Gru's Plan" meme)
They're not a gay couple. Nor did they introduce one, this has nothing to do with lgbtq...
@@randomepic6204 dude why are you even in this comment section if you have something against these two loving eachother. Like I saw you under nearly every comment here. So my question for you why are you watching a video called „the evolution of destiel“ when you have something against destiel?🧍🏻♀️
There's no evidence to suggest homosexuality for either of them. And because I don't agree doesn't equal I hate them, where the fuck did you get such a dumb notion?
I'm a spn fan so...I get destiel videos in my algorithm crazy huh?
@@randomepic6204 okay if you don’t see these two together or „loving“ each other why are you watching a video about them?
As I just got through stating, I get spn content in my algorithm. Therefore I watch it to see what it is lol. C'mon man.
i liked ruby :( they could've done something better with her character
Yeah she could've been like Crowley. Helpful but lowkey evil too
Of you’re after an amazing (though very long) awesome Ruby fic (which also features Destiel), then can I recommend Job and Family by Tigerlilynoh?
It’s one of my favourite fics of all time. I read it, and I see all of the potential that Ruby had. And she’s still Ruby in this fic, just awesome. So, so damn good. Very long, but I prefer really long, plotty fics, personally.
@@katherinemorelle7115 OMG ruby with destiel?? Sounds like a wet dream
@@katherinemorelle7115 Thank you very much for your recommendation! I read your comment and ran to find this story. I loved it!
I liked her a lot too, so i got sad when they killed her off 😭
This is so well made I am both mad and incredibly happy about it. I've seen a lot of non-fans/ex-fans of the show talk about it so it was really nice to hear the perspective of someone who was still emotionally invested in the show before we even got the confession. And I can't wait for the next part!
CZcams automatically deletes any comment with the word q*eer in it and I cannot figure out how to change that so if any of your comments get deleted that’s why 😩 try to censor it if you can
@sunlight I just saw that you commented AGAIN and it’s still not showing up damn why does CZcams have a vendetta against you
@sunlight I want you to know that I did get emails showing your comments so I did read what you said and thought you made great points!! I’m so sorry that CZcams keeps deleting them ://
Uhhhh that's messed all the way up. What
@@unknownguest4575 it’s to stop hate speech but that obviously becomes an issue when it’s used in a way that isn’t hate speech about a video discussing LGBTQ stuff. Especially frustrating that if there is any way to turn it off, they’ve made it very difficult
@@mediabuzzkill this is the second video I've seen this happening on, so it's definitely site wide
This was BRILLIANT! I originally started this as background noise to scroll through Tumblr with but about 5 minutes in (even less) you gained my full attention!! It's so well-spoken and so well-written and you brought up a lot of information I didn't know about
also, all your arguments were really eloquently spoken
Honestly, same
I'm firmly of the belief that the actors and the writers had VERY different takes on their relationship and what scenes meant
I need someone to acknowledge the fact that my mom is a huuuge supernatural fan, watched every episode live for years, and absolutely interpreted that "I love you" as platonic and says it's athematic for it to be anything but familial. I am gay and I got into such arguments with her.
We agree that season 15 only had 19 episodes tho 🤣
Doctor: you have 52:43 minutes to live
me: _plays The Evolution of Destiel: A Video Essay_
I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE NEXT VIDEO. DEAN WAS THE CHARACTER THAT MADE ME REALIZE I AM BI AND NOW I FEEL ERASED. SO ERASED TO THE POINT WHERE I FEEL EMPTY...
i know how you feel. as a bi/gay/ace ( im not sure ) trans man when i watched episode 18 i didnt know if i felt represented or erased. I feel like its a bit of both. I see a lot of my self in both cas and dean, seeing both characters sexuality and lives erased like that made me feel the same way you do.
@@somber.cosmos8381 I am really hurt.
I know how you feel.
Though honestly it was gaslighting from the crew that really made me feel terrible. Not only am I a qu**r person, and I know it when I see it!, but I also studied film analysis at uni. I know what romantic gripes look like! It really was gaslighting, and considering who they were doing it to (mostly LGBTQ+ fans), it made it so much meaner.
But I didn’t expect Destiel to ever go canon. I was so cynical that I thought they’d be stringing us along forever. I was also so cynical that I often hoped they wouldn’t try to make it canon, if only because they’d likely mess it up awfully.
Turns out I was right. Oh well, at least we still have fanfic?
same, dean and destiel in turn, really helped me accept that i was bi. feels a little bittersweet... i was so happy with the confession, but there was a weird comedown after where i simultaneously felt heartbroken about dean not saying it back
@@katherinemorelle7115 Honestly, now I feel like Destiel is at least mine. They can't touch and mess it up again. To my understanding;
Dean went to heaven and met Cass and told him that he loves him back and they kiss AND Jack sees them and puts them back in Earth and goes to Earth as their son (Bc he is a hands-off God, he can go wherever he wants to after redesigning heaven) and maybe they adopt more kids(?) and frequently see Sam (there are a lot of inside jokes happening), then Dean and Cass grow old, die together...holding hands. They go to heaven and continue their journey together. THE END
This video essay is the best response to all unfinished "In this essay I will..."
48:06 Thank You! People need to leave Jensen alone. It is fully in character for Dean to shut down when he's upset. That or yell and punch something, and as there was nothing to punch, he went with option 1. His Bff just said that he made a suicidal deal to save their adopted son and that he was going to use that deal to save Dean thus killing himself and oh by the way I've been in love with you for years, BYE!!! The way Dean collapses against the wall with his head in his hands and ignores a phone call from Sam as the world is ending shows how upset he is. We will now proceed to ignore most of the next two episodes. ;)
Dean was upset that his best friend was going to sacrifice himself to save him. Anyone in that position would be upset and collapse in tears. Dean was distraught that his bff/brother was going to die to save him.
Really appreciated the commentary on the carver era, which was when I stopped watching the show. Congrats for sticking it out through all 15 seasons, braver than any US marine.
I'm not even a Destiel shipper but this is the best video on this topic so far, making the most valid points. I may end up crossing over
38:57
Look at them..they're so broken💙💚
And now after 15×18 anything cas said in this scene make sense
He was so alone and no one was there for him😭
I’ve never seen more than three episodes, and I still recognize the tension between those two.
i watched the show on and off, my husband was the actual fan and so i never really saw the full story and i wasnt really interested in all the action and monsters. I liked Cas and I liked Dean because they had great funny and cute scenes but i never caugth the narrative because i'd mostly be listening and not watching while it was on. I caught the gay jokes but thought it was just another show doing gay jokes about straight guys🙄 . then the last season came out and i told my husband to wait for me because i wanted to really see it and see how it finally ends, will God come back? what happens to jack? what about crowly.... and then the ending was so odd. like there seemed to be more there than i could understand like,...the last scene seemed too emotional and i felt like i was missing something like why did cass say that? why did he look at him that way? like i dont get it...and then i saw a youtube recommendation that was about "destiel" and realized, oooooohhhhh thats why! i had to start the show over and watch the whole thing by myself. there is no way there isnt a romance story here. Now that i looked at how they looked at each other or how they reacted to most of the jokes, that played out exactly like other tv shows where they are leading up to a romance. sooo many scenes are contrasted with other relationships and topics about being gay. i think a big part of why many people didn't realize this IS because, a lot of people, especially straight dudes may be watching more for the fights and the monsters. I showed my husband certain scenes and he just didn't remember them or he wasn't paying attention to the relationships but he can recall all the fights and the details about the lore. now that i've shown him these big scenes and my brother started watching it again, they can't NOT see it. its there.
as someone who unexpectedly became a destiel shipper within the past few days due to watching youtube compilations and video essays about destiel after years of staunchly avoiding it bc i knew it was queerbaiting, this video was very enjoyable and informative! i can't wait for part 2
SAME. EXACTLY for me
You. Are. Phenomenal. This video is so very eloquent, it's lyrical poetry. It's calm, and both objective yet emotional simultaneously. I can't praise highly enough. You had me completely enthralled from the very beginning. I didn't expect to be so enraptured, but damn me if I wasn't glad I was! This has to be one of my penultimate examples of a video essay. It felt like you did the show so much justice, and almost paid it homage in a way by gifting everyone who views this with a brilliant analysis. A love letter to a show both a tragic failure and a resounding masterpiece that broke a heart (SPN felt that way to me) It's humorous, empathetic, gentle, straightforward, and not afraid to critique what needs to be. I'm amazed, seriously love this. Certainly going to share it around a lot, even to non-spn fans lol. It's just that good.
You are SO kind this means a ton thank you 🥰
ohhhhh the shrimp emotions are FLOODING back thank u for your services icon
I still feel the confession was kind of homophobic. It was still ambiguous, which is why most of the fandom who are not destiel shippers don't even read it as a romantic love confession. They just see it as Cas telling his best friend that he loves him in an emotional, yet platonic way. And yes, I hear the line, "The one thing I want is the one thing I know I can't have", and I agree it's suggestive of romantic feelings, but then again, I'm gay and a destiel shipper. For people who aren't, they probably need a little more hand holding to get there, especially considering the show's long history of writing this relationship the way they did, but never taking the next logical step, all while telling destiel fans that they're "delusional". The rest of the fandom heard those messages too. Straight confessions of love are rarely this ambiguous. Even if they're unrequited, they either use unmistakable wording, eg. "I'm in love with you" rather than just, "I love you", or the reaction of the person being confessed to tells you that this is being received as a romantic confession of love. A kiss, or attempted kiss, a returned declaration or an "I love you, but not like that". You can't really use the "Dean didn't have time to process his emotions" excuse. Dean is not a real person, and this was not a real situation. It was written by the writers, and if Dean didn't have time to react, that's because the writers deliberately wrote it that way. They could have written it so that the Empty didn't come until Dean did have time to react. They chose to write it that way specifically so they wouldn't have to show Dean's reaction. Once again, they were trying to have their cake and eat it too. They didn't want it to be obvious to ALL fans of the show that this was a romantic confession because they feared the backlash of those fans that might be homophobic (the show may have ended, but there's still lots of money to be made off of it). Meanwhile they feared the backlash of the destiel portion of fandom enough that they felt they had to do something. This was the result. This doesn't mean that no part of it can be affirming for lgbt fans or destiel shippers, but it's still a problematic resolution to a longstanding "q-wordbaiting" problem. And Cas dying and getting hauled into a place of eternal torment directly after confessing his romantic gay love, as a direct result of that love, is still "bury your gays", even if fans knew it was coming. Fans knowing that a harmful trope is happening doesn't make it not harmful. Part of the reasons why these tropes are harmful are not just how they play to lgbt audiences, but how they play to straight audiences as well. Anything that confirms or bolsters the homophobic views of straight people that gay people and the love they feel is somehow othering, and deserving of punishment, is harmful. Not to mention that many people will obviously read it as a gay unrequited love situation that was so hopeless for Cas that he couldn't experience any true happiness that wasn't loving Dean, and basically decided to die because he couldn't be loved by this one person, which is actually a whole other harmful gay trope.
Yes! Yes! Yes! This is more than an open ending, it's trying to please everyone and the result is that no one is satisfied. They did wrong by a lot of characters that got thrown to the side withouth a second glance. But Castiel was there since season 4 and his story deserved a better conclusion than just a remark "oh, he's here in heaven too". Show, don't tell. And the story demanded a reaction from Dean. I love how you pointed out that they used "i love you" instead of "i'm in love with you". Indead it's also a more ambiguous wording. I can say "i love you" to my best friend. Cas sacrifices himself and no more mention, nothing. Show a little more, even if it's to hint more heavily on the friend side.
Exactly. Thermian argument. It doesn’t matter what the in universe explanations could be, the fact is that it was written that way by real people, with that intention. And I also agree that it was still (and possibly the worst) qu**rbaiting.
But I do think that if one of them were a woman, the straights wouldn’t be clinging on to “but it’s ambiguous!” Because we all know that the hets are not only oblivious, they’re wilfully so.
How many X files fans called Mulder and Scully shippers “delusional”? Or Booth and Bones shippers? It doesn’t happen.
If they were just gonna kill him off they should've at least gone all out
@@katherinemorelle7115 I mean, I do agree that if either Cas or Dean were a woman, they would pretty much be an acknowledged ship, and probably canon as well. But they aren't, and I don't feel you can really divorce them from the context they're in. It is an mlm ship, and on a show that spent a very long time gaslighting the entire fandom about the fact that they were purposely writing it into the show, q-baiting or not. Given that, the confession would need to be a lot more specific to really land as a romantic love confession for all fans. But like I said, they didn't want it to land for all fans, that seems clear.
Mulder and Scully are actually an interesting comparison, because as someone old enough to have actually watched that show, their "romance" is actually fairly ambiguous for most of the show. It isn't until later seasons that any overt romance between them is confirmed. Of course, that didn't stop people from shipping them from the jump. There were people who didn't ship it, and some did say that people were reading too much into their interactions and that the relationship was meant to be platonic. But honestly, prior to season 6 or 7, most of their interactions absolutely could be read as merely platonic. Certainly they didn't have nearly as many romantic coded moments as Dean and Cas did. Now, was there the outright hostility towards early Scully/Mulder shippers that there always was towards Dean/Cas shippers? No. I think we all know that came from the homophobia of some of the producers and writers (and even Jensen at times) and the homophobic side of fandom. There's also the side of fandom that saw Dean/Cas as a threat to what they valued most about the show, which was the relationship between Sam and Dean, the "brothers only" status quo, "wincest", etc.
Bones and Booth (another show I watched), is maybe a less apt comparison, because the romance in that show was always extremely overt. From literally the first episode it was textually acknowledged that Booth and Bones had some kind of romantic interest in each other. It was a slow burn, but everyone knew about the fire. It wasn't confined to subtext in the way that Dean and Cas' romantic story was.
The hets ARE oblivious. But the spn writers are certainly aware of this and were using it to their advantage to hide their q-baiting and gaslighting. They knew as long as they didn't just come right out and say it, that they'd always be able to point at destiel shippers and call them crazy if any backlash from straight homophobic fans arose. They're literally still doing this. There has been, to my knowledge, absolutely no acknowledgment by anyone who works on the show in an official capacity (The CW, WB, producers, writers, etc.), that the confession was a romantic confession and that Cas is canonically lgbt. The only person who has confirmed that is Misha. They're happy to let him take the heat, without backing him up at all. This also lets them get away with the "bury your gays" thing because they can always play dumb and be like "what do you mean? bury your gays? who said Cas was gay? not us. :)"
@@luminousmoon86 I think you’re right that they tried to make it still within the realm of deniability. Deniability for the wilfully oblivious hets, at least.
They do seem to be very much eat their cake and have it too type people. Which is why Cas was only mentioned as being offscreen. If he appeared in the finale, they’d have to address it one way or the other, and they didn’t want to do that.
Fence riding all the way!
And the fact that straight ships receive less homophobic denial was my point. Would a female Cas and Dean have been canon? Yes. We know that for a fact, because the “female Cas” role was originally Anna, who was most definitely an explicit love interest for Dean.
I guess, as a gay, I’m just disappointed and frustrated with how homophobic it all is. Mostly frustrated. And also angry. And there’s certainly a strong (though not 100%) correlation between being straight and denying any romantic tropes ever existed, and being qu**r and at the very least seeing those tropes (even if they personally didn’t ship them). There’s a reason for that.
I also think that the writers knew damn well what they were doing by the end of season 4. I don’t think it was an accident by that point. There were also plenty of jokes about Dean’s possible sexuality (most of which went straight over the hets’ heads) going back to season 1. Were they only ever supposed to be jokes? Probably. But that’s an issue in and of itself.
I've been riding on the good ship Destiel since season 8 was airing. It's been rough, and the finale and everything going on now in spn fandom after is not helping, but the fact that Cas and Dean invented true free will and defied God and the network and certain producers/writers/etc to fall in love... Like damn. They really did pass on the most amazing love story ever written.
I was BUSTING laughing at some of the way you phrased things in this video. Like "someone to ship dean with... that wasn't his brother!!" and "the roommate he's been raising a kid with for 3 years" and "if he could process all of that, he wouldn't be dean" like.... these are GOLD 💛
also, thank you for talking about the actual gay fans who were really burnt out from the show runners/writers constant denial of anything gay in their script, along with their HORRID representation in the show. just. in some ways I'm glad it's over lol.
can't wait for the next videos! I want the tea on the finale 👀☕
I'm just gonna stand up and applaud the hell out of this on behalf of everyone who has been writing Destiel meta on Tumblr for the past 12 years (myself included) because holy cow dude this video was like watching the commentary of my own brain. Thank you so much for setting things straight (ha) with Destiel. I think if I come across one more CZcamsr mocking it, calling it homophobic, misunderstanding the love story or turning it into a rant for attention I'm gonna pull my hair out. This video is an accurate, fair and honest explanation of the ship and I hope everyone even remotely interested in Supernatural comes here first from now on rather than making assumptions based on loud idiots on social media, fandom rumours, or non fans making destiel memes for attention. Really well done. Bravo.
you were right i hadnt watched supernatural in so long ive been totally disconnected from all the development in the last five seasons, this analysis actually made the ending hit different.
Dean “If I add man/buddy to the end of every sentence it isn’t gay” Winchester getting a love confession from cas: 😳😧😶😥😢😭
Holy shit. This is actually making me insane.
incredible. finally some good fucking video essay food. thank you to your service to explaining how absolutely bonkers this all was I had such a good time and I am SO excited to see your next video!!!
It just makes me sad sometimes because some fans at conventions asked jensen to admit he played dean as bi, asked him extremely personal and inappropriate questions about destiel and how he saw Misha, which made him so uncomfortable that he started outright denying the existence of Destiel. Except ofcourse until recently, specifically his panel with Misha in DC in 2019 ❤
i can already tell this is one of those videos i'll come back to repeatedly for years. "sherlock is garbage and here's why" levels of "rewatchability despite being longer than an episode of the actual show" in this bad boy
Tbh I kinda like "Better luck next time, I guess," as a sign off.
I feel exactly the same way watching this as I did on the night the episode aired (elated that he said I love you, indescribably upset that he's gone) and even though I know it doesn't get better, I still keep hoping it does. This was a great analysis. There will never be another will they, won't they story like this. It was literally 12 years, in real-time.
Ross and Rachel WISH they had this slow a burn!
Let us never forget that Destiel is canonically requited IN SPANISH!!! CHECK IT OUT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW!!! Of course Latin American translators had to have the balls and ovaries to do what the English version didn't!!!!😂😂😂
What’s the translation script? I’m curious
@@sparksfly5877 Look up Supernatural 15x18 Spanish, the 1st find has English subtitles. Enjoy.
@@sparksfly5877 Instead of "I love you," "Don't do this, Cas," it's "Te amo," "Yo a ti, Cas." Meaning, "I love you," "And I to you, Cas." And it gets better - "Amo" is directly related to romantic love, not platonic.
Yall do realize that it was a mistransluation in Spanish right? They corrected it.
@@carolinedee2932 Gurl, just let us have this!
I’m not even a SPN fan but I have been in Tumblr for a LONG time and it is impossible not to hear of Destiel even I knew about the season finale and what happened to them and I was so shocked.
You video essay is really well made
I haven’t seen supernatural in years but I’ll quite literally never been over “we need you.....I need you” BITCH ARE YOU KIDDING ME THEY’RE IN LOVE
I'd love really love your take on the additions of the deleted scenes and how they might have changed the perception of the ending and why some definitely should not have been removed, specifically the one in 15x19 when they toast to Cas and Jack and everyone they've lost.
All of the 15x19 scenes we've seen absolutely should've stayed in. I think that they decided to cut them out for a couple different reasons, but one main one intersects: they wanted to trick us into thinking this was a happy ending. They couldn't show them mourning Cas too much because they weren't going to get him back. They couldn't show Jack grieving his father and mother because it made it too obvious that 1. It made no sense that he didn't immediately bring Cas back at the end of the ep 2. That he was a child that should've have had to literally take on the weight of the world. They couldn't show them listing off the names of all the people they lost because it made it way too obvious that this is tragic, that they have lost nearly everyone and they shouldn't just be driving off into the sunset after that. They couldn't show the hints towards Dean's resentment of John in both the Michael scene and him first-naming him at the end because it was supposed to be happy that his father is right down the road from him. All of those scenes would've added more emotional depth to the characters we know and love and would've given a bit more respect to Castiel, but they would've poked too many holes in their desired ending. Which just further shows you that the ending sucked.
@@mediabuzzkill I totally agree with everything you've said once again. It's so infuriating because of some of the more important scenes that should have been kept in, we had Lucifer building a house of cards and the fakeout phone call. Back when Dabb said that only 30/40% of fans would like the end and it'd be like Game of Thrones, everyone thought he was joking because that show had just ended and got terrible backlash... but he wasn't kidding at all. They could have gone in so many different directions, and why ep20 needed to even happen at all after the way 19 ended I will never understand. Every time I think about how bad the end was (which is a lot) I just get even more angry about and then it makes me sad because I hate the ending to my favorite show and then I get mad again. It's a vicious cycle.
thank you so much for creating this. it helps me knowing that even though my comfort show is gone, the amazing fans are still making fan art, fan fiction, fan videos, edits, its amazing really.
bestie it’s the first positive 15x18 review i’ve seen and i gotta say i feel good after hearing you. it’s been so difficult to feel something other than frustration when doing rewatches. so thank you for that
Look. People can be gay and they can be not gay on a tv-show. That's okay. But hinting at something so that more viewers get hooked on your show, and even playing into the ship by having scenes where the two characters are very evidently not behaving entirely platonic, is basically showrunners eating their cake while they still can and playing and disrespecting audiences who were very invested in that ship and also had high hopes, hopes that the talents behind the show had INTENTIONALLY CONTRIBUTED TO, hopes that weren't there without very valid reasons. And the worst part is, doing so and then trying to gaslight the audience into thinking that they are a bunch of weirdos who just want to watch people of the same-sex hook up like some sex-crazed perverts as if they themselves didn't ENCOURAGE THAT SHIP, albeit not openly. This is exactly what happened with Supernatural. And let's just say it- had a fandom made a heterosexual ship that they really believed in (whether or not the show eventually pursues it), nobody in the show would give as disgusted reactions as they give to "made up" LGBTQ+ ships.
P.S - It is mind-blowing how many people just came here to type "destiel is not a thing", despite the fact that it is so evident that they did not even watch the video.
Oof, what a vid! I love/hate the fact that I have enough context for the show to fill in the dialogue in every clip you showed. Very good analysis, and I'm looking forward to the next part!
Yeah same!
lmaooo the way i could say every word in the confession scene scared me a little bit
You are really right about the whole "15x18 was not intended as homophobic" thing. As a loooong time fan, I was so excited even though it did have some homophobic implications, I felt that they would wrap it very nicely in 15x19 where Dean would save Cass and actually then have time to process his feelings in 15x20 and confess to him that he loves him as well. BUT THEN 15x19 aired and I was like "OK, but now they can ask Jack to bring Cass back and have the confession after that" 15x20 will do it for them, a nice closure. I WAS SO WRONG. I FEEL HATECRIMED SO HARD.
You know, Castiel and Dean are supersoldiers. They are brought up to be ones by their (very similar) fathers. They don`t let themselves to be led by emotions. Or, if they do, they don`t show it and pretend to be led by higher purpose (like when they risk the whole world to save each other, but in the end it appears to be for the best for the cause). So, until the fight is over, they can`t be together. Although, as we see in those 15 seasons, as long as they live, the fight is NEVER really over. So they can be together after death.
this makes me want to watch the show just to see how much i can make myself suffer
Do it and tell me how it goes
That's such a fucking mood lmao
@@sarahharman9879 i suffered thorugh 3-4 season of riverdale.
i think i could handle some toxic masculinity and misogynist characterization for a few seasons before getting to the good stuff.
@@MistarZtv if you could deal with Riverdale you can deal with supernatural.
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This was such a great watch!! I love hearing an opinion from an ACTUAL Destiel fan for once... like you KNOW your stuff!!! Can’t wait for the next video!!
i just want to say a massive thank you for taking the time to make this video essay! it’s incredibly informative and the way that you delivered your points remained clear and concise throughout the entire piece! the accidental unplanned romance between these two has always been something i struggle to explain/put into words and yet with this video you’ve done it perfectly and covered all the bases! thank you so much for your amazing video essays :)
Thank you so much! I was waiting EAGERLY for an actual fan to do a video essay about this topic. I couldn't be happier because you put everything so clearly, and the whole time I was like YES! This is exacltly it! Big kudos to you bc its an extremely large topic and you managed to compartmentalize it and make casual fans and outsiders understand a little about the magnitud of the whole thing. Thank you for the represantation of loving fan who critically engages with the show, can't wait for the video about season 15!
1. FINALLY a video from a fan perspective! 2. why would you make me look at the confession not even a minute into the video?? and 3. you made me remember just how cool the women they introduced for the brothers to date were and how they could have had such interesting storylines were it not for misogyny
As a woman, I really don’t feel that’s it’s mysoginy, and that it wasn’t their intention. The female love interests really couldn’t have gone anywhere because of the brothers totally codependent relationship. As said in this video, for Dean, after Castiel was introduced and in the show for a few seasons he sort of replaced any female love interest Dean would have. Although, Dean doesn’t see their relationship like that, Cas is still the most important person in his life other than Sam. The show is about brother hunters, and all of the women in the show want them to quit hunting and then there would be no show. BUT I do love Eileen with Sam because she gets the life and understands.
There’s a great fic that has a lovely poly relationship with Dean/Lisa/Cas. I liked Lisa. I thought she was great. A nice person, badarse, confident, a great mum. Just very cool.
I liked Jo too (though not as much as I did Ellen), and I liked Bela as well. Honestly, her storyline at the end broke my heart.
@@trubb1e Don’t agree. Jo would not have wanted Dean to quit hunting- she’s a hunter herself. Lisa was perfectly fine with Dean hunting, he was the one who stuffed that up. If they’d fleshed Bela out into a proper love interest, she’d have been okay with hunting, and might have switched to it herself.
Not one of Dean’s female love interests would have made him quit. Not one.
this is so well done omg thank u 4 making this, its so refreshing to see someone who actually watched spn do an essay on this bc a lot of people tend to leave valuable info out but this was literally perfect
Can I just-
Y’all know how in 11x11 Mildred told Dean he was obviously pining for someone.
But- Amara was obviously ‘into’ Dean (?) and even kissed him so he couldn’t be pining for her since she reciprocated his love (If it was love idk I literally just watched 11x11 lol).
In my book that can only mean one thing.
He was pining after someone else, and that someone else may or may not have been Castiel (of course it was him, who else could it be???)
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk, see you in the next comment section :)
thank you so much for making this video! it annoys me so much when people who don't watch the show/haven't watched it in years are making videos about this and immediately jumping to conclusions. they're taking scenes out of context to make them seem different than they actually are.
Just wanna thank you for actually knowing what you're talking about. Other videos/reactions to Destiel and 15x18 have been so clearly made by people who didn't watch the show or understand a lot of the behind the scenes/fandom dynamics of the entire 15 year ride, and it really showed in not only their flippant and borderline hateful tone, but in the information they presented in their video and the context in which they presented the info. Thank you so much for making this video, I EAGERLY await your second part!
commenting to boost engagement! this is EXACTLY the kind of deep dive video essay i’ve been hoping for on this subject omg
Destiel got me into fanfic and tumblr, it ruined my life basically (Not going to mention the role of Glee because I've been taught by society to be ashamed of that).
I gave up on this show in season 9 but remained invested on whether Destiel would ever become cannon and this huns was shocked and appalled!
Omg! You deserve an award. This was so incredibly well-done! I had a bit of a cry, so yeah..thanks! But really, this was beautifully presented! Can't wait for part 2!
THIS WAS SO GOOD like i can never properly explain this stuff to people its so ridiculous
amazing. loved this so much it summed up my thoughts completely as an active fan of the show throughout the last few seasons. people who didn't know about all of the other things going on made assumptions and accusations that were hurtful not just towards fans and shippers, but towards the actors as well so thank you for bringing it the attention it deserves
Thank you for putting this together! I’m a new fandom and only started watching because of the confession scene and after entering the fandom and hearing all of the history, I’m so SO glad I didn’t go through all of it cause I would have been just as livid as everyone else. I’m only on season 9 now and Destiel is definitely the clearest romantic pairing that has been written. It’s actually insane!
This was such a treat to watch and relive! As a long time fan who's been on this ride right along since the start, words cannot express how satisfying it is to see this discussed with nuance and respect for once, something that former fans/non fans who are only engaging with the commentary for clout cannot do (and apparently don't even seem to try to do!). Thank you so much for your hard work on this and can't wait for part 2!