Former NBA Player Says Draymond Green Would've Been Knocked Out in the 80s | THE ODD COUPLE
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- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker react to Draymond Green who clapped back at Cedric Maxwell saying that the way Draymond played in game 2 would've had him knocked out in the 80s.
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I love it everytime Ben Wallace gets brought up during any sort of basketball conversations. One of my all-time favorite players.
Draymond got like 20 fouls in the first half. I'd get mad too. He also reads to me like a fake tough guy.
that was exactly the term back in the day, "fake tough guy"
Draymond is a classic “Cell Warrior”..
He’s deff a fake tuff dude who just happened to be on a team with the greatest 2 shooters of all time
You put any decent defender on that team they would still win
He plays wild defense and costs games all the damn time
Most overrated defender of this era
He has no skill
Can’t shoot
Can’t make free throws
Can’t make 3s
He’s a liability on the floor
Dray dray was slapping everybody and if you see the replay all the referees just look at him and let him do it
go tell draymond that
Green would be fighting for a starting job if it wasn't for the splash brothers.
His whole career is about his mouth and his dirty play.
Lol you are tripping. He is one of the reason we go small today because he’s able to play center at 6’7. Has been top 10 on assists multiple times and won defensive player of the year. Just start of that by saying “I’m a hater but Green would “
Tell me you don't watch golden state without telling me you don't watch golden state
@@Ronnie-mx1wu tell me you are a bandwagon fan without telling me you're a bandwagon fan
@@Dremac5 his triple single is legendary
The man was defensive player of the year lead the league in steals. If that's the case Michael Jordan didn't win a title until Scottie pippen came Larry bird magic Johnson played with 1500 hall of famers
Y'all need to stop with the NBA being more skilled now. How many players have a post game, a midrange game, finishing in traffic and great footwork in this era? Players in the 80s and 90s were better fundamentally and now players get away with travelling and carrying consistently
Thank you!!!! Someone who gets it. These simpletons things athleticism makes a great basketball player. Really? First, you telling me there weren't any athletic players in the 80's and 90's is just absurd. Dominique, Mike, Drexler, Dr. J., Iceman, and on and on. If you don't think there were athletic players you don't know basketball. Second, athleticism doesn't make a great player. Bird was not even remotely considered an athletic player and he dominated the league. I would take a high IQ player way before I would take an athletic player. Fundamentally these guys today are terrible! They have no post game, play trash defense if any at all, and pass up on wide open layups to pass to guys that are sitting at the three point line clapping their hands for the ball. They don't even run plays, it's literally iso iso iso YMCA level do what you want type basketball.
Absolutely! Today's game is totally trash with everyone shooting 3's and playing no defense! The 80's and 90's would kill these clowns physically and especially mentally!
lmao oldheads to funny man. let it go brah
@@martyg2333 exactly. Jordan still has the highest vertical if I am not mistaken. People are acting like everyone in this era is a Ja Morant or an Aaron Gordon. Even Kobe alluded to this that young players come in to the league without knowing real basketball
@@marcusanderson933 True. Larry Bird would have dominated this era easily.
He's not wrong. Rodman, Lambeer, Hakeem, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird etc would be more than willing to teach him a lesson if he ran his mouth to much.
Yep!!! I remember 80's 90's basketball 😂
why there just this assumption that nobody younger than them can fight ?
@@thirdburna because they don’t
Let him try some bs with Oakley or Mike
@@BakerZone760 they’re making too much money
Draymond got his triple single average tonight. Future hall of famer . Lol
U think the warriors would have made 6 finals,without draymond,?I doubt it,
@@brando7266 you put any decent defender on that GS team they winning
Draymond is not that guy
Wow his energy and antics makes the team go STAP It
i mean he is a future hof’er. this is the basketball hof
@@brando7266 bruh you can put Lonzo Ball instead of Draymond Green and the Warriors will still make the Finals.
Wait for the excuses from the warriors if they lose
I'm sorry but the 80's and early 90's were way more physical and had more trash talking. Totally different era where you can actually get choked and punched. I remember Jordan wanted to kill Reggie Miller. I remember the bad boys pistons as well. Those were the golden days.
MJ choked Reggie Miller.
Then wuddle Jordan cried to the league about the Pistons and the phyiscal contact.
It was always a match in the games between the toughest players
Remember spreewell choked Jeff vangundy 🤣😂🤣
Draymond Need To Focus On BASKETBALL Dude Got More Turnovers This Series Than Baskets Made
More physical play in the past...its beyond obvious at this point.
True but people act like that was every game. I can attest that it was not. Time to stop dissing todays nba
@************************************ those guys took nights off too. Thry just dont upload them to youtube but i remember. Dont get me wrong, i prefer 90s ball but no need to discredit thr present. I have more issues with a shorter season than less defense
Just imagine him trying Anthony Mason or Charles Barkley, Charles Oakley, the Davis Brothers like that Etc in the 90's
Thank u dog 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
What about him trying Mugsy or Spud? How about Pippen? He was soft with his migraine against the Pistons. My point is every era had enforcers.
Or Kermit Washington, Willis Reed, Wes Unseld, Calvin Murphy, Darryl Dawkins, Maurice Lucas, Bill Laimbeer. Those guys would have knocked Donkey Green the f*** out if he tried those antics against them.
or even Ron Artest and Ben Wallace...
Xavier McDaniels, Bill Laimbeer, Kevin Willis, Dennis Rodman
I believe 80's and 90's ball was Bitches get Stitches.
I love when these two talk history of the game. So much perspective.
Best era was when Kobe was young, because you had the talent of today with the physicality of previous generations. Young Iverson, Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitski, Tracy Mcgrady, Steve Francis, Catino Mobley, Gary Payton, Shaq, Alonzo Mourning, that was the best mix of talent & physical play. Now it's waay to watered down. & Jordans era was a lil too rough. Just my opinion
I understand this take.
Tim. Duncan.
@The Nfl is NOTHING without Tom Brady! !!! I can say ‘98-‘04/05 for me
you are not wrong
@@BicMichuM you aren’t adding to the discussion
Draymond is a dirty player and I'm not sure what he does today would be considered a big deal in the 80's and 90's but he is a dirty player with the bs that he does but a person can only do what you allow them to, but I still believe that the 90's NBA was one of the best times for basketball...
Green is a dirty player,I can't stand him.
Who would Draymond Green be without the Warriors? Say he played on the Orland Magic. Would his name even be mentioned outside of leading the league in T's? I think not but some may disagree. I think he is a product of his surroundings. He's a good defender but not an all time great. Can he guard all five positions? I'm not so sure because he just got lit up by Jalen Brown and Robert Williams was bullying him down low. But according to him he's the GOAT defender. Rodman would eat him for lunch. I'd like to see Green guard Shaq like Rodman did.
We have seen him without curry and Klay, dude didn't do anything but lead the team to a lottery pick
🤣😂🤣🤨
Draymond would pick up 3 fouls in the 1st quarter against Bird, Barkley, or Malone and have to sit.
Honestly, I’m highly skeptical Draymond would be in the league if he played for a different team.
He is a system player
Facts
Well if you actually know basketball I'll say this who better Draymond or Kevin Ollie
Exactly. He has no talent.
He had bench warmer numbers tonight
Some of the best segments are when these 2 compare basketball from yesterday to today.
Draymond’s picture is in the dictionary next to the definition of halitosis
😁
Donkey green
Chris Broussard is correct. It's ridiculous to see or read someone making comments as if Greg Ostertag and Shawn Bradley were more than the spare parts they were in the 1990s, and act like those players don't exist in today's NBA. Or selectively exclude great players to make some drive-by comment ("Michael Jordan's top competition at shooting guard was Craig Ehlo").
Lmao Craig Ehlo...??
Never heard that one before lol.
People who say stuff like that have something wrong with their brain and/or they’re emotionally distraught that MJ is the far and away goat...And so they irrationally lash out to relieve the pain.
Yea, it's ridiculous the arguments that people try to use. Olajuwon was better than any center in the game today. Arvydas Sabonis was Jokić before Jokić was born. Shaq? David Robinson? Ewing? Just little kids who weren't even born when legends were playing.
The dudes u named plus Dikembe and Zo would be mvp candidates EVERY year if they played today...
And guys like Vlade,Rick smits,brad daugherty and the like would be all-stars EVERY year and eventual HOF candidates if they played today.
@@S2pidMedia It's the classic "Let's take the worst examples from one era and compare them to the most extremely great examples from the current era." Greg Ostertag was basically that era's Mason Plumlee (marginal NBA player, not even a top 20-25 center). Shawn Bradley was average at best (no more than a top 15-20 center in his era), primarily because his height allowed him to be a shot-blocker. Bradley was basically what someone like Mitchell Robinson is in today's NBA.
Hakeem Olajuwon, young Shaquille O'Neal and prime David Robinson would be the three best centers in today's NBA. Patrick Ewing would be no worse than behind Joel Embiid and Nikola Jokic. Alonzo Mourning would be better than any center not named Embiid and Jokic. Not to mention Brad Daughtery was comparable to Karl-Anthony Towns (offensively skilled center, marginal defender) and Rudy Gobert has a similar profile to Dikembe Mutombo (low-post shot-blocker and defender, awkward offensive game).
@@dc4690 The "Michael Jordan only faced players like Craig Ehlo and 6-foot-2 shooting guards" comments are purposely lying, an idiotic attempt of diminishing Jordan in some convoluted GOAT debate. Here were Jordan's primary competitors:
Clyde Drexler was the second-best shooting guard in that era. He was a first-ballot hall of famer, on the NBA at 50 and NBA at 75 teams. Drexler was basically a 6-foot-7 version of Dwyane Wade and had a longer prime than Wade. Personally, I would rate Drexler ahead of Wade among the all-time NBA shooting guards.
Reggie Miller (also 6-7) is another hall of famer who was on the NBA at 75 team. He still is fourth all-time in 3-pointers made, despite playing in an era that didn't shoot 3-pointers nearly as often as today's players do (Miller averaged 4.1 3-pointers per game for his career). Put Miller in today's 3-point-crazed league where he could shoot 8 to 12 3-pointers per game and he likely would have had 5,000 3-pointers for his career.
Mitch Richmond (6-5) is another hall of famer from that era. He was basically a bigger version of Bradley Beal (Beal is 6-3) who could score in bunches and from all areas of the floor, competent to solid in other areas.
Joe Dumars (6-3) is another hall of famer. He was a top-level defender (five-time All-Defensive) who could play both guard positions, was a timely scorer and was 1989 NBA Finals MVP.
The league was more physical back then because the rules allowed it, not because of the players, don’t get it twisted. If the rules were the same right now as it was back then, all the stars today would be getting knocked the hell out. And we’d see more brutal fights that would just make the whole league look bad which is why the rules changed into the way it is now.
And if the rules were back then the way they are now guys like penny and drexler would average 30 pts a game and Jason kid would average a triple double so it goes both ways
"And we’d see more brutal fights that would just make the whole league look bad."
"More" implies there are fights in today's NBA. There are NO fights in today's NBA.
Most of the time, you have a player getting up and saying something, pretending they need to be held back after flopping as if they got shot. The players clearly don't want to fight each other, but to save face.
I think even the NHL has stopped with the lax attitude towards fights. Just a bad look. The NBA cracked down on that hard fouling. The three point line, which was a side show of the ABA, has drastically impacted the way the game is played. They almost need to award 3 points for dunks and layups to overcome the over-emphasis on perimeter play.
Those were men back in the day. Today, these players are very feminine and are led by social media as much as the women. Men were tougher.
That's partially true. Players are pampered now since they were kids since there is so much money on the line. They get everything since they were kids now. NBA players are less mature and more entitled now.
Draymond would not been able to guard the bigs back then. He would of been trying to fight for a job
Yeah, I’m not sure Draymonds game translates to that age. He’s valuable today because of smallball and his switchability. But actual bigs would eat his lunch.
He would be a crappier more offensively limited Ron Harper.
@@kevinc8955 I was with you til u said Harper. He was a leading scorer for the clips and an allstar before he got hurt. Idk why tf he came to mind but you hit the nail on the head with everything else you spoke on.
@@jeffsamuels2539 he would be a bo outlaw
@@jeffsamuels2539 Harper's brought up cause his kid's in the upcoming draft
Dennis Rodman would have put him in his place and get in his head
I don't want to see playoff games with defense like the NBA ALL-STAR GAME (no defense or just reaching your hand out swiping at the ball with no extra effort). But I definitely don't want players getting bear-hugged while going up for a dunk either, a happy medium is definitely necessary, just like Broussard said! I gotta admit it though, some of those late 1990's/early 2000's NY KNICKS vs MIAMI HEAT games were fun. The final scores were like 80-79 or 92-90 and it was physical as hell. You were on the edge of your seat as the 4th quarter rolled on, ahhh, the good ol days of elbows, knees and body blows in NBA games!!!
Celtics playing some ridiculous Defence
@@banditonehundred
Kind of, they let Golden State make a few crazy runs! Overall you can say that Boston played solid defense, Klay Thompson missed a few 3 🏀 pointers that he normally makes. Game 4 is everything, the winner of Game 4 will win the series. It's hard to beat Golden State back to back, let's see what Boston has in the tank!
Thoose Knicks and Heat teams were so bad offensively, they were allaways ranked near the bottom of the league in offense.
Draymond acting tough but when klay and steph were out Draymond is irrelevant in the league, He is great example of being in the right place on the right time, Steph and Klay and Kerr made draymond green who he is right now. I don’t think skills wise Steph or Klay will be a lesser player they are now without green.
I said the same thing
Facts all anybody needs to do is look at the 2019-2020 season without Steph and Klay was people saying he was a hall of famer? I thinking not
He's a big piece to THE WARRIORS puzzle. Put him on another team and he'd disappear.
@@mpound97 EXACTLY💯🎯
And Jordan was irrelevant without Pippen. So what!
Draymond don’t want it with Mad Max. That was my dude
He dont know you lil bro
You talkin Vernon Maxwell? If so, those Houston teams were my jam. They won before Drexler came in. Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry, Mario Elie, Sam Cassell, Otis Thorpe, and of course, Dream.
@@blan_27 and neither does your father
@@rael6974 I’m his father
I wish I was alive during these prime physical years for both NBA and especially the NFL! I got the tail end with Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Brian Dawkins, etc. So excited looking back
Jack Tatum of the Raiders was a killer
Steve Atwater
I know a poser when I see one and that's Draymond Green. I actually find him amusing to listen to. He's smart but he's not tough. You can't say he's tough when he was begging KD in 2016 to help them.
That’s Charles Oakley OG baby 🏀
I would love to see Draymond get KO'd
Me too..
Tristan Thompson pieced him up at a party, lebron had to pull him off nutkicking donkeymond
Stretched out case closed 🏀
Draymond brings a factor that a lot of teams need. He's a perfect fit for a team that wants their best player to focus more on scoring and not as much on facilitating. And... what he brings on the defensive end is unquestionable. He's a defensive superstar that can guard all 5 positions.
Remember Dr J vs Bird?????
NBA is so soft.
Nhl dudes throw down and it's ok.
You can't even touch anyone anymore in the NBA.
But if you are a star you can act how ever you want. That's how the NBA is running currently.
The softest people are the ones that call other people soft.
NHL dudes have all that pent up aggression from years of wearing garters belts, getting diddled by coaches, all the homoerotic hazing and wearing skates. They know if they dont make it, their only option is figure skating.
Fighting is not basketball buddy. If you want a fight go watch boxing or mixed martial arts. Basketball is skill and athleticism. Basketball is more popular than inferior hockey around the world.
@@vlada Man good point. Funny too!😂😂😂😂
The thing about the old days is.... they the old days
And they were better
@@arizonaFIREent No they were not. 0 spacing, 0 3 point shooting, 0 ball movement, 0 defending with your feet. The game was not better. Maybe better marketing overall but the game was not better.
@@NewEarthSon This era is trash. Stop it already.
@@mpound97 No its not. The past eras lacked Jump shot. Also they call fouling "Physicality" .
@@mpound97 Also the past eras did not understand space and that 3 is more than 2.
PJ Brown would definitely knock Draymond out…
I would love for Draymond, Patrick Beverley, and the Morris twins all get that old school medicine!
These new NBA are soft and sensitive, Harden, KD, and Kyrie
Oh you not gonna call out the most sensitive mf in nba history?! Osama Bin Simmons ?!
@@jeffsamuels2539 forgot about him
Draymond ain't tough. He's a loud mouth front runner.
BIG Facts💯🎯
Draymond talks a lot and then in game 3 of the finals goes 2 points 4 rebounds 3 assist in 34 min. Great defender but damn dude if it wasn’t for klay and steph idk..
No lies told & I’m a Warriors Fan ….he talks too damn much. It’s literally 4 on 5 …when we’re on offense.
Mid 90 some times were unwatchable because of strong defenses .That New York team was fire
Just look at draymonds stats these finals😭😭😭
All draymond is doin is puttin a bigger target on the warriors back with all the talkin he is doin smh🤦🏾♂️
Draymond is to weak for that era they not joke you imagine Charles Oakley from the Nicks punching draymond 🤣🤣🤣🤣abuse that little kids of draymond triple single man
For an ugly dude the Donkey have a good looking son.
Why Charles Oakley ain’t try Shaq
@@tstallings1997 bro that never happens and Oakley was a bad man so stop it Shaq was a kid 🤦🏻♂️
@@fragranceinc.8868 Oakley ain’t want no smoke of Shaw
@@tstallings1997 is ok buddy I just saying green can get hurt in the 80-90 and he is not half of what Dennis Rodman was 🤦🏻♂️😁
He literally never brought up the old heads getting ejected he said knocked out as in takin blows
Draymond getting high off Steph supply smh
Or he’s defensive player of the year, gold model, top 10 nba assist finishes, his big 10 colege player of the year award and 1st team all American selection. But you right he did nothing lol
@@Dremac5 half the stats you mentioned were in college lol and gold "medal" ? Lmao
@@Dremac5 ya boy looked like a dumpster truck last night wtf was that 😳
Draymond Is a clown and he's knows it
why you so mad?
Alvin Robertson, vernon maxwell, Anthony Mason just to name a few they forgot
Oakley bro, straight head-bussa!!
Why y'all think they change the rules because it was unwatchable and the rating tank back in the 80s and 90s. A bunch of no skill tall men no foot work or discipline just set picks and fight because they can't play real basketball.
Lol the ratings from 90s are still the highest NBA has ever recorded 🤣 🤦🏽♂️
The ratings was high dumb@ss
If we're saying previous eras are so important, then let's remind everyone that Bill Russell won 11 rings as the best player on his team before Jordan ever won 6 rings
And?
@@mpound97 and, that means Jordan isn't the G.O.A.T
@@mg19cal Yes previous eras are important, putting things into context is just as important. You put things into context and Russell isn’t the goat. If MJ won rings in the fashion that bill did, a lot of people would be criticizing MJ.
@@kevinflo9729 how so? There were a lot of hall-of-famers and Bill Russell's era too
@@mg19cal im not talking about the HOFers in bill's era, im saying if MJ won like Bill as in what would people say if MJ won a title while his teammate won Season MVP (cousy '57)? what would people say if MJ won a title while his opponent won finals MVP (jerry west '69)? what would people say if MJ won a title while being the 7th leading scorer on his own team? Bill has multiple rings while being 3rd/4th/5th leading scorer on his own team...I understand bill is known for his defense but lets not pretend that it doesnt hold weight....what would people say if MJ spent most of his career on 2nd team alll nba because of one man? (wilt). the 10 years their career overlapped, wilt made 1st team 7x to Bill's 2x...just answer me if you think MJ would be criticized today if he won in that fashion..... MJ was undisputedly the best player in the NBA, dominated on both ends of the floor at the highest levels while also turning his team into a dynasty
Classic Odd Couple 👏
This debate is so ridiculous. He Green would have been in the 90's he would have the same mentality as the rude guys had in their era.
Rob & Chris both starting to get annoying lol. They always complaining about something
I would have loved to see all of the players you just named play against Draymond, plus Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman. Malone would have elbowed Draymond in the face and Rodman would have psychologically broken him.
Those Cavs teams just held the ball until the end of the clock. They wasn’t good defensively. This is where facts get distorted while talking about 90’s basketball.
Lmao at rob of all people saying draymond needs some tips . The same rob that got his ass booted off ESPN over his out of line and very unprofessional comments on rg3 .
Even in pickup games we had the Knicks rule as a defensive principle this was in the 90’s I still play pickup games today and there is a clear lane to the basket all day long
So you’re proving his point
I say he's the biggest hype machine in NBA history that's a problem of these players having platforms they can convince people in the media to vote for them for the Hall of Fame now Draymond Green is a good role player at best he's a decent defender nothing fantastic definitely not Dennis Rodman or Ben Wallace defensively speaking not a tough guy like they was either! He is an ultimate bs type congrats to Rob Parker for seeing through this he covered guys in the NBA who had to be tough to play the roles on team as enforcers
With Draymond Green doing podcasts and appearing regularly on TNT as an analyst when he wasn't playing, he practically has become a member of the media. And for the past six years, the media have run plenty of stories of Green running his mouth because he gives them storylines arguably more than any NBA player not named LeBron James.
I don`t think they really understood the second caller. He was saying what I try to explain to the players I train and coach now and fans all the time. I grew learned to play the game in the 80`s played professionally 11 years in the 2000`s. The game from that time changed and today`s game is completely different then the game we grew up playing and watching. Players are without a doubt more athletic overall today but the gap is accentuated because of the way the game is played. The second caller was not saying there were not great athletes in his era (By the way I went to Michael Coopers camp every year. Watched him lose a game of horse to Lisa Leslie when he dunked then she dunked and he just laughed and said you got it) He`s saying that this level of athleticism wouldn`t have been allowed to be showcased because defenders could neutralize it with physicality. The problem with today`s fan and player is that everyone is so sensitive when you try to be reasonable they take it as an insult. Today`s game is more spaced and open. Which means players are running and jumping in more space. Its easier to run and jump in space then it is in a crowd. That`s why there`s no defenders in the dunk contest. Physicality and rules dictate how players are developed at every level. If tomorrow the NBA changes the rules and allows you to tackle players from the free throw line down. Not only do I have to start training players differently but I also have to start looking for different types of players. Every team in the league is calling Miles Garret and offering him guaranteed money and nobody wants Chet Holmgren. Andre Drummond suddenly becomes more important then Kevin Durant.
Good point. Physicality is not basketball. Basketball is finesse, skill and IQ. It would be a shame to have basketball rules skew the game away from skill and IQ to just being born Big and Strong. Andre Drummond is more Physical than Nikola Jokic but he is not more skilled than him. He is not a better player. If he wants to compete, he has to become SKILLED and RAISE his IQ.
@@NewEarthSon Physicality is professinoal basketball and the league needs to find a happy center line. In the 80`s and 90`s the game pushed to far into physicality and todays game pushes too far away from physicality. Either way you have to raise your IQ to dominate the game. If anything you have to raise your IQ more in a physical game, where defensive players have just as much freedom to apply their trade as the offensive player then you do in a skilled game where the rules have been tilted to give the offensive player an advantage. For guys like Jokic, Giannis, Lebron. This wouldn`t be a problem. Looking at the guys like MJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Lebron, Shaq, Duncan etc drop them in any era and they`d have been pretty much who they are/were. I`m not a Lebron guy. I believe MJ is the GOAT without question but I firmly believe that if you dropped Lebron in the 80`s or 90`s he`d have been individually greater then he was in this era because he`d have had no choice but to use his physicality more to his advantage. The problem is not with those face of the game level guys. The issue is with the guys who are a tier below. The James Harden tier guys. James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Trae Young are all guys who are going to go down as statically great players and a lot of that is going to be due to the rules of the era in which they played. This alone makes it almost impossible to have a conversation about eras.
RESPECT THESE YEARS
- Kevin Garnett, Chinese Philosopher.
I wonder if he would’ve pulled it with Ron Artest
Arrest is straight up crazy you don’t want to test him POINT BLANK 🏀
green would run into mchale's elbow the same way rambis did
Ask Darryl stingley if he would rather play in today's NFL rather than the 70s
Preach!
The reason why it got bogged down in 90s was because that's when a lot of one and done and high school players start coming in people tend to forget that those players plus the expansion of the league brought in a lesser degree of good basketball you start having players that weren't smart enough to run systems everybody wanted to be Michael Jordan and do one-on-one basketball but what people forgot was Michael Jordan wasn't just athletic he had a high degree of fundamentals by spending three years playing North Carolina and that's what brought the league down now you have this soft league because a lot of these players can't run systems LeBron James for example. They can't deal with hand checking the point guards and the forwards. and they definitely can't deal with the physical Play down low which is why you have 7-footers shooting three pointers.
@Weltall8000 But it started in the mid 90
@Weltall8000 The prom-to-pros era started in 1995 when Kevin Garnett came out of high school.
As someone who was a sports journalist covering the NBA during that time, I agree with a lot of what Andre Jamison said. Many of the games in the mid-1990s started becoming overly physical, in part because of the talent dilution. In addition to the NBA expanding with six teams over eight years and the emergence of drafting prom-to-pros players, there were a lot of hall of fame players retiring (Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Kevin McHale, James Worthy, Michael Jordan temporarily) or slowing down (Dominique Wilkins) within a few years of each other.
At one point, almost all of the top players were centers (Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Shaquille O'Neal, Alonzo Mourning) or power forwards (Karl Malone, Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman, and to a lesser extent players such as Derrick Coleman, Larry Johnson and Shawn Kemp) who did their work in the paint. Without enough shooting or wing players to space the floor, teams had to collapse even further into the paint to keep the big men from dominating the game even more.
All true 100%
@Weltall8000 I disagree often they play stupid for years
@Weltall8000 sir the reason why I disagree with you is because I seen where the NBA came from my first basketball game that I watched on TV was the Milwaukee bucks versus the Houston rockets and I'm talking about the Robert Reed Houston rockets and the Sydney moncrief Milwaukee bucks I'm talking 1981 82, now you say the freshmans that came out with better than the sophomores and seniors no I disagree with you the NBA started drafting off of potential there's a reason why Tim Duncan is the last great senior to be drafted number one that is the reason why NBA teams start drafting European players and leaving them over there after the 1995 draft what Kevin Garnett went as a high school player the top 10 players drafted each year became less and less senior or even Junior dominated put that together with the domination of AAU basketball and the comet dominance of prep basketball it eventually affected NBA basketball like I told you a lot of these young players came with either being a three-point shooter or a dunker and LeBron James did play in Miami and yes Miami was running a system but you forget LeBron James tried to get the coach fired because he didn't want to play in the system and you talk about him going to the finals do not forget how weak the Eastern conference became once he decided to put together a super team prior to LeBron James going to the Lakers how many 50 win teams did he beat while playing in the Eastern conference in the playoffs he was the favorite and was every playoff series after he quit on Cleveland and went to Miami.
Of course. The current state of the NBA makes Dray valuable. He's basically a less talented, less tough Bill Lambeer.
Idk what makes him less tough. People act like dude is soft
@Matthew Turley Idk what him acting to tough to "real killas" as to with basketball... But everyone complains about the game being soft but when you see guys that are tough it bothers you because he's the only one? I don't get it man, current day fans are weird
The problem with the rule changes in both the NFL and the NBA is it's made the game unbalanced. There's always been room for finesse play in the NBA, it's just you had to earn the right to play that way by establishing physical dominance as well. It's taken post play and the big men out of the game so all we see is this inside outside dunk and 3pt contest and it's just not as rich and nuanced as it used to be.
C'mon im from the 90's , these guys dissing everyone in the nba today and now older players hurt for the 2 dollar fine, leave these players alone
Unless they make a time machine and force us to watch the old guys play new guys, who gives af?
Old dudes talkin bout “Back in my day”- Kanye West
Ah, you must be on the bandwagon
You'll be saying the same thing when you get old don't worry
@@dryptobot we’re all
Old to somebody. The world changes. Evolve or perish. Simple solution
@@juicelord4792 I can agree, its all about perspective. I would say this though, the whole evolve or perish is a little bit overrated.
@@juicelord4792 what more can i say, i wouldn't be here if the old school didnt paved the way - Grand Puba. You i/diot
Omg draymond is insufferable
Weak is weak strong is strong a real one stands alone ..thanks for the input..
This man really brought up the 1700s when talking about 80s and 90s basketball. Lol unbelievable
You crush guys for getting hurt then praise the “rough house era” please it’s tiring. Why are these rules making the league softer? Because the players are million dollar investments! Just Bc the league was “tougher” in the 80s and 90s doesn’t mean that was the right way to play basketball
Thank you. Media of today is brainless & they complain more than the players. But then as soon they see someone who actually has the "toughness" reminiscent of the 90s era they label them a thug lol.
Draymond was a Big 10 player of the year, 1st team All American in college. Won a gold medal as a key defensive stopper. A defensive player of the year, mulitple times he was top 10 in the nba in assists and is credited with accelerating small ball by playing center at 6’6. Why do people act like all his accolades are related to Steph?
Because of the last couple years when he was playing without Steph and Klay. HE SUCKED and couldn’t even make the all star game.
That’s why.
@@VeinyDickTracy he played 1 year without them……. And still had his same amount of assists and still was great in defense. He has a distinct role. Rodman, Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, I put him into that type of mode, he’s not going to carry a team, but there’s not a single team in the nba who wouldn’t be better with him on it
@@VeinyDickTracy hints why Portland and the 76ers wanted to trade for him
@@Dremac5 - he hasn’t made an all star team in how many years now?
@@VeinyDickTracy 0 since he got voted in this year ???
Facts!!
Violence is not the answer. It's a mental game.
Every player wasn't fighting and punching in the 80’s is what he was saying fellas. Please stay on topic!😡
Shutup
It's David Stern's fault that basketball is soft today. MJ couldn't get past Detroit because of the physicality and hard fouls be was taking. The NBA as well as Nike wanted the Bulls to win so they could get ratings and sell sneakers. Stern looked at this and created the flagrant foul rule making the game softer which helped a perimeter player like MJ win his first title when the rule was implemented.
Is that why he won 6 Championships?
@@lakeishaquarles1292 it certainly helped. It's not a coincidence he didn't win before that rule was implemented.
@@seanflaherty1225 They were still physical in the 90s.
@@seanflaherty1225 the physicality and hard fouls didnt stop when the Bulls were winning chips you m\oron
@@seanflaherty1225 delusional as hell
It is disrespectful when they say you couldn’t play in my day and that is a joke!
They not only are more skilled now, they get to be.. by virtue of not having to deal with the physicality
I really think that physical talk about the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s is very over hyped. Every time they show highlights it’s the same 30 highlights with in 30 years. That stuff wasn’t basketball. We need to stop calling bad basketball, basketball!!! Everyone want’s to protect their time’s.
I think the calling this era more skilled is over hyped and exaggerated, they just shoot better from 3, that's it
@@m.j.w.2876 well the whole point of the game is to put the ball in the basket. If today players do it better, that means they are more skilled.
Basketball is not American Football, Basketball is a game of IQ and Skill. Athleticism and Physicality are bonuses. If you cannot play with out fouling, than you cannot play the game.
You're clueless about basketball and physical play Winslow so why dont you shutup
@@m.j.w.2876 no they shoot more 3s, not better
First off jordan never criticizes his predecessors because there wasn't a bunch of talking heads sitting around saying who's error was better. The facts is these old heads constantly throw negative critique at today's game and the minute the new school fires back thru Beeing sensitive or thin skinned. Gtfoh. Just because you elbow someone in the face or pinch someone doesn't make your error more physical. That's just disgusting untalented brutality. Oh you were able to hand check. It takes skills to move feer without hand checking. Stop with the bs. Basket al ratings tanked back then because it eas unwatchable. Bunch neanthrdals trying to hurt each other. Not playing real b ball
Physical play makes a huge difference because basketball is more mental than physical. Once u pop a dude a couple times that will throw his game off and get his mind off hoopin and wanted to fight. And wen that happens it throws yo rhythm off.... At that point u can still hoop but u wont win the game because your focus is not there.
First off you're an i/diot
The real facts is today's game sucks
Elbowing someone in the face and punching equals physical. M/oron
And the ratings was higher back then haha you clueless m/oron
So I guess they think draymond ain't gone knock back. Of course jordan wasn't talking about the 70s due to not having media heads in they face demeaning an era everyday. Dese guys
Yup.
Draymond wants to say he better defender and tough than what people say different 🗣
Draymond is a fake tough guy...
@@redmanjohnson4616 has he ever been tested?
In a league of 300 people they struggled to name 6 other tough guys. & draymond said there wasn’t any repercussions to hard fouls so yeah draymond wins this argument
I think the best way i can compare the past nba and todays game is the focus is different. The past was tough and physical competition and todays game is a soft cardio league focused on revenue . Past was close in the paint physical hard fouls and today is long range fast break with no post defense.
JJ Reddick is saying don't undermine the era of today!!
Exactly. Rob & Chris just running their mouth. JJ said stop saying the guys of today couldn't play back then.
The guy on the phone says Jordan never talked about the 60 Celtics. Well, Jordan wasn’t part of the media, that would be something for the media to do
Nope he mentioned them once In a blue as a better dynasty they would laove to come close too
Rob bringing up Thomas Jefferson lmfao what?? JJ didn’t say you can’t talk about different eras. It’s when people say todays players couldn’t play back in the day. That is disrespectful
You mad cause its true
This has aged nicely lol
Draymond had more fouls than he did anything else tonight
Little correction. It was UFC still in the 80's, but not in the 90's anymore. Then they started giving flagrant fouls etc. Brutal(ish) physicality in 90's and 00's happened mainly (after first incident) just between enforcers.
Kareem straight right rabbit punched a dude and continued running down the court lol
Agree with y’all
I like how you schooled the guy talking about players today being more skilled.
Gilbert arenas is clowned out. I could never get over him commenting on Dennis Rodman Scottie Pippen not being able to guard people in today’s NBA Because of their size which is Hilarious when you look at the best defenders in today’s game are between 6”4 and 6”9🤷🏾♂️
Plus the games changed also because of the Dream Team although they dominated those Olympics the Pro hear saw the International players up close and personal and their Bigs were skilled could dribble and pass and shot!! Remember Toni K was a teen playing against Mj and Pip and NBA teams wanted those type of players after seeing those Games on TV
Man keep doing you Draymond, either way the haters gon have something to say. Calling Dray dirty, but they’ll praise a guy like Chris Paul foh
The 80’s and 90’s nba games were tougher more exciting and watchable the games today are shoot outs the big man don’t bang no more 80’s 90’s much better but things change
Wes Unseld was the greatest undersized center ever 6ft 7 for the Baltimore Bullets nobody could rebound and hit the open court runner better than him that’s why he is in the HOF
If DG wasn't playing for GS would we even hear about him???🤷🏿♂️
Chris is absolutely right in addressing Drammond
the 2nd caller got burned lol