One of the strangest things, one will find, is when a Protestant converts to Orthodoxy they still hold onto their anti-Catholic sentiments all the while acknowledging the Sacraments, Sacred Tradition, the various dogmas of Mary, etc.
@@juliankonkani No, Eastern Orthodox are not "earlier version of Protestants" - Protestants introduced new, faulty doctrines in conflict with Apostolic Tradition, while the EOs just got stuck at a certain point in time. Pope or non-Pope is not the defining difference between Catholicism and Protestantism. Also, theological disagreement or doctrinal error is not the same as being anti-Catholic. The East was not anti-Catholic in these early centuries you mentioned. But of course, if one is already anti-Catholic, that won't change by moving from one non-Catholic denomination to another. Why should it.
@@parrisroy does that mean that Our Lord was wrong in Mark 16:16? What about Peter in 1 Peter 3:21 where he stated that baptism saves us? The salvific nature of Baptism was the universal belief of the early Church.
In my Orthodox parish many, many parishioners are former Roman Catholics. The Catholic Church has changed its liturgy, Protestantized the Mass with many modernist innovations. Orthodoxy has not been corrupted liturgically.
Yup they lack in charity generally and lack capacity to address changes in the world. Look at the Catholics impacting the justice system, education etc and even in the pro-life movement.
Orthodoxy has changed and innovated too. That's not exclusive to just Catholicism. Now, one can debate which one has the least amount of changes, but to say that Orthodoxy has remained completely unchanged is inaccurate.
Great video Bryan! While in my search for God, I came across the Orthodoxy before i discovered the Catholic Church and thought the traditions were quite beautiful, and thought about joining, but then I learned about the fulness of truth and couldn't be happier to be in the process of joining the Catholic Church! Keep up the great work Bryan and the rest of the team at Catholic Truth, God bless you all!
@@parrisroy I asked the same question, so what's your problem ? You say such rude things to others, l don't agree with that. You are not a polite person. Why don't you take your attitude somewhere else. Good bye
This is sooo coincidental! Today I’ve been trying to discern about either being a Roman Catholic or an Orthodox. I’m not a baptized Christian yet, but I’ve been attending the Latin mass (SSPX) but lately I’ve been attracted to Orthodox hymns and Icons, etc, thank you for this
Great! I hope you enjoy the video then. Glad it was good timing. And yes, sspx is not in full communion with the Catholic Church. But we pray for them.
@@felipedeodonoju3953 They're in an iffy spot canonically. If you like the traditional Latin Mass maybe try to find around your area another community offering the Latin Mass (like the Institute of Christ the King or FSSP) that is solidly, unquestionably in full communion with the Holy See. There are also certain Eastern rites (like the Marionite Catholic, the Ukranian Greek Catholic, etc) in full communion with the Church if you think the Lord is calling you to that sort of community.
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A resounding point of pride I observe in both Protestant and in Eastern Orthodoxy, due to lack of central authority and accountability, is this sense of "my". He spells it out at 25:50, "You took MY priests. You've taken MY parishes." Not "You've robbed the lord, led these people astray, etc. Protestantism is no better. These "churches" all teach different interpretations of scripture and vie and fight for "market share" in their areas. Their pastors wear $1000 sport coats and drive Mercedes. Who's service is the most fun? Who has the best kids' programs? Who's coffee shop in the lobby is the best? It is sickening. Am I in the house of the living God or am I at a conference?
@@ntw12 Yes but the priests don’t own these things. And the house of God where the sacrifice of the Holy Mass is given. Feel free to look up exactly how many charitable institutions the Church has established. From free hospitals and schools to food pantries and vocational training.
@@augustvonmacksen2526 I was not critiquing the individual priests but the instuition. It is hilarious and boderline bizare for a Catholics to point to some of the wolves in sheep clothing in protestanism as evidence of materialism and pride seeping into the church. Abusive medivial indulgence practices were encouraged by the Pope Leo X, whle on the other hand. Mainstream Protestantism rejects the Joel Osteen/Steven Frutick/Hillsong types as prosperity peachers.
@@augustvonmacksen2526 There are plenty of reasonable objections to Orthodoxy and Protestentaism from an RCC perspective. This critique is not one of them
Thi should be interesting. Our orthobros are all over the Latin church side of CZcams handing out their opinions on the primacy of Peter and the their understanding of the DivineTrinity.
The only reason to be Roman Catholic.. It's is the only true Apostolic Church and the only one in which one can be saved.. There is no salvation outside..
Vatican II did not change that, but clarified the meaning. Vatican II is clear in its documents that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial honestly.. Tey have been lying to us since Trent.. That salvation can be found outside the church...Baptism of desire.. Implicit.. Subsequently explicit.. Invincible ignorance... Than one can gain membership without a water baptism.. Or without a baptism of blood.. . Nothing of this is to be found in scripture..except for wishful thinking.. ..we have been punished badly.. Now it seems the Catholic Church has no real reason to exist.. Just one of the wannabe types.. Scripture tells us all outside Noah's ark perished.. Since Trent they have been saying no.. Some survived..
CCC 846... "Hence they could not be saved who, knowing the Catholic Church was founded necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. CCC 847 "This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church"
After the Council of Florence, there was reunion, but that same year the Ottoman Turks took over Eastern Europe and closed off communion and dialog until 1921 when the Ottoman Empire fell in WW1. There could be no communion until the mighty Ottomans were gone. Proof of this is the fact the Russian Orthodox were invented in 1450 right after the Council of Florence, because the Russians didn't approve of Constantinople reuniting with Rome, so the Russian sect broke away from Constantinople. Almost every single Patriarch in Eastern Orthodoxy came about in the last 400 years because they broke away from their parent national church. None of it was done peacefully, none of it was based on any Council, no Council ever allowed that behavior. They all slowly broke away and said to their parent Patriarch "we're fine being on our own and setting up our own Patriarch, so if you want communion you must admit we're an independent church body". Not kidding.
@Orthodox Catechumen So you're saying that the Turks never persecuted Christians and you also said that the rest of Europe was under Islamic law or control? That's not accurate. The Turks most certainly did persecute Christians even if at times there was peace. The Turks were not trying to brake into Europe to make friends. They ruled the Balkans and would have gone as far into Europe as they pleased had they not been stopped the Gates. Not sure what your idea of persecution is but surely that started way back in Anatolia and who do you think wiped out the Byzantine Empire ? Sure 1204 didn't help but you can't blame the west for everything.
Brian can you please do a detailed video on the Eastern Catholic churches and what makes them different. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I am sure it will be helpful to many who is considering Orthodoxy bcoz they like the liturgy.
To me, reverence will differ depending on who is presiding and other factors like the congregation. You can (and I would think should) have reverent Mass in any liturgical rite. It can be a matter of heart.
@@Kitiwake Your experience in the environment of the mass is very limited. I have been to Mass where the priest has literally stoped the mass and told the young women to leave and come back in decent attire. About two months ago my parish priest in his homily said he refused to give the Eucharist to someone wearing a shirt that had the word ***k, every mass I go cell phones go off or kneeling bench slams loud where one priest had to tell people not do that .All true. I know this doesn’t happen everywhere and it does not interfere with transubstantiation but come show some reverence. 😤
I'm a protestant looking to leave and join either the catholic or eastern orthodox Church. I'm dumbfounded and stuck as to which I want to choose as this is a huge decision.
Yes, it can be a difficult choice. Maybe look into the Arguments for each of them and start there. Also pray about it. If you have any questions, we are here to help you as well.
Thank you for the talk and explanations.. Am really looking forward to the next topics you suggested, hopefully, in the near future... god bless you both.
if people only study the council of Florence where 700+ byzantine delegation of bishops and monks that included the Byzantine emperor and the patriarch of Constantinople debated and agreed and accepted the catholic profession of faith and submission to papal supremacy. the byzantine emperor died a catholic, and the patriarch of Constantinople also died a catholic. when the caliph Mehmet II destroyed Constantinople, he selected an anti-catholic monk to become the patriarch of Constantinople and deposed every bishop that was pro union with Rome
I am Eastern Orthodox Christian and would like to say my peace. My son was originally baptized as Catholic due to his biological dad and his family being Catholic. When my son was 7 years old, he was received into Orthodox Church. I or my side of the family never pushed for it( we made multiple attempts to sign him up for CCD and it never worked out ).It was my son’s decision. I still take my son occasionally to Catholic Church for Sunday services and we always have had bad experiences. Some parishioners attacked us for blessing ourselves “in the wrong way” ( you know the sign of the cross in Orthodox is done differently ), some during Latin mass told us off because we were failing to kneel at the right time. Yet, I don’t hold grudges and truly believe it is the individuals at the church who decided that it was okay to judge. Our family never looked differently or judged any denominations ( my husband is former southern Baptist who is catechumen orthodox ). At our Orthodox Church, we have a lot of young folks coming from the Catholic side of the world and their reason “ I didn’t feel connected, I felt judged”. It is just our experience and I am sure that others have their own experiences.
The Orthodox Church as it stands today, never existed before the 11th century. The name Eastern Orthodox Church is neither found in tradition nor in the Ecumenical councils for the same reason the names Anglican, Lutheran nor Baptist names are not found in either tradition nor in the Ecumenical councils. If its not found in tradition then it's not Apostolic but man-made.
@@SAHOVNICU You are a little late with your response because the author of this video and I had a pretty interesting back and forth exchange . After my last response, the author chose to delete our convo all together besides my original comment ( which is a pity and shows something. Our conversation wasn’t offensive or disrespectful). Yet, during that exchange, I did respond to the same question. Since the author of this video chose to delete it , you probably could reach out to him and see if he saved the originals :-). Peace ❤
I’m a Roman Rite Catholic. I tried to convert to EO twice and each time I found myself after a while going back to my Rosary, my Catholic saints, the Angeles Prayer, etc. so I just stayed RC. Also by the fact that the TC
@@lianborgiademedici1016 Minneapolis. . going to Holy Liturgy has changed my life. I go to a Romanian Church.. but I'm not Romanian. Doesn't matter tho. I am welcomed as part of the family. How about you? Where are you from?
@@tallmikbcroft6937 My experience is that Romanians tend to be very welcoming and having a Romance language. using Latin script makes it easier to follow along with the services.
Why can't we just accept each others beliefs and respect each other I've only just come across this page New to this new to CZcams really happy to have found this group some of the group's on this don't seem to care what people say to each other
Was not the Council of Florence an attempt by the Pope to reconcile the Catholic and Orthodox Churches which almost succeeded but fell at the last hurdle. Another point, the Orthodox Church has retained Apostolic Succession and a valid priesthood [unlike any protestant denomination] and therefore an Orthodox Liturgy is a valid celebration of the Sacrifice of the Mass [unlike a protestant service]
Hello, We do recognize their sacraments as valid even though they are not in communion with Rome. Hopefully one day we will be together again! God bless
We will be. We have talked about Lutheran Calvin and some of our videos and debunked protestantism in general, but we do plan on talking about the Reformation as well.
@@Justas399no, that’s not what other Protestants have told me it means. Not that it’s faith in Christ ALONE that saves, it is your faith ALONE in Christ that saves. Some will tell you it is literally that, others will say it means you evidence your faith by works, still others will tell you that simply declaring Christ the Lord secures your place in Heaven. So, first, as a whole Protestants can’t agree about what this sola even means (that’s the problem with allowing everyone to interpret things for themselves, as Prots do). Second, the faith alone with extra nos imputation is not the soteriology that Christ taught. See Matthew 19:16-26. The rich young man asks Jesus directly how to enter Heaven, and Jesus tells him, of course, that all he must do is believe in Him and His righteousness will be imputed to the mans account and he will be saved. Wait. Christ DOESNT say that. He tells the man to keep the Commandments and sell his possessions, give to the poor, and follow Him. Hardly sola fide with extra nos imputation.
@@Justas399 so which Scripture is correct and why? Or is it possible they are BOTH correct? You’re putting Scripture against Scripture and thinking it proves your point. You can quote other passages all you want but the truth of it is that you nor any other Prot can refute the actual words of Christ to that rich young man. So, you evade. No Catholic would tell you faith is not necessary, but it’s not everything you need. There’s more, and several places in the Bible concur with this. The ENTIRE Bible is true, not just the parts that you agree with. So, you can’t keep yourself from winning? You can’t keep yourself from stealing, murdering, fornicating, committing adultery, or worshipping idols for example? Leave the “no man can keep the Commandments” junk at home.
Hello, forgive my ignorance in posing this question. But why is an infallible authority so important? Why wouldn't a church with fallible authority be possible? 1 Timothy 3 and Titus give lists for testing presbyters and deacons for example, the letter 1 Timothy even mentions rebuking a bishop who is in sin with 2 witnesses. I understand sin does not equal false teaching perse, but it could be a sin to provide false teaching could it not? And correct me if I'm wrong, but the pope is a bishop as well right; so how are we to test the pope? How can we infallibly determine fallibility at all? Please try to understand, I don't mean these questions in a confronting way, I genuinely interested in a defence for these questions. I'm still Protestant atm. looking into the Catholic church. I even got ex-communicated this month for refusing to reject Catholic doctrine (my reasoning: I can't reject what I don't know to be wrong or true).
And could anyone help me to find a place where I can actually talk to people who know Catholicism and discuss with them; so that perhaps they can help me on my journey. Right now I'm really lost and all by myself in finding out the truth.
If you accept the authority of the Catholic Church and know it to be true and if you know Jesus started the Catholic Church and gave his authority to her, then you can trust the Church. We trusted the Church enough to give us the Bible (infallibly) and to choose just the right books that are Scripture while removing the other ones. Asking we we need an infallible authority instead of a fallible one is a good question, but it's like asking why the Bible needs to be infallible, and couldn't we have a fallible Bible? Well, if we have a fallible Bible, then how can we know the truth for sure? Jesus promised in Jn. 16 to send His Holy Spirit to guide us into _all truth._ He guides his Church and prevents it from making mistakes on doctrine. Infallibility does not mean that everything the Pope says or does is infallible or even correct. It also does not apply to anything outside of faith and morals. The Church cannot pronounce on science, or the lottery or math or anything else. It doesn't mean the pope has special knowledge letting him know everything in advance. No, infallibility is a negative charism. It simply means that when officially teaching a doctrine or dogma, the Holy Spirit guides the Church and the pope and prevents him from making mistakes so we can be led into all truth and have an assurance of the truth. Otherwise, how do we know what true for sure? Lastly, infallibility is very very rare. You can probably count on two hands the number of infallible statements the Church has made. Most of the teachings and doctrines fall under ordinary magisterium and not the charism of infallibility. There is a wide variety of statements the pope makes from his own opinion, up to authoritative, up to the top infallibility. Again, the last is rare, and most comments and statements fall within the former. For Pope Francis, most statements and teachings have been more of his opinion and personal thoughts rather than authoritative teaching. I hope that helps.
@@BryanMerc I am really really really looking forward to it and I will pass the word around ! This is really exciting !! There is a dire lack of the moderate voice !!! The rad trads are the modern day Pharisees and the Taliban equivalent of Catholicsm. Its time the moderates reclaim the "traditional Catholic" title back !!!
@@BryanMerc by the way did you see my reply on acupuncture to someone who recently commented on the video you did 1 year ago ? I received your question asking me if I am on Facebook as you like to explore the topic further with me. Not sure if you are still keen. I don't have a Facebook account. But can be reached by email.
@@awake3083 "Papal authority" as in the idea that the pope has immediate and universal jurisdiction was not present in the early church. The initial disagreement between the Orthodox and Rome was the heretical addition of the Filioque to the Creed.
@@StoneRobbins Yet in the first century Pope St. Victor excommunicated the churches of Asia Minor for having the wrong Easter date. The Orthodox opposition is to papal authority because you were protesting the clarification to the Creed and many other non-issues. Even within the East we see filioquistic ideas which (both East and) West have always affirmed as orthodox which is why Rome permits Eastern Catholics to not recite the Filioque (but they still believe in it). It’s interesting as you (assuming you’re Orthodox) say there was no “papal authority” in the early church yet your communion has historically bought into it and affirmed it remain in communion with Rome (the Mother Church). Why is there little to no consistency for the East on the authority of the Pope? One Orthodox will say there was no papacy or papal authority in the early church and the next will say there was but overstepped their boundaries. Be consistent!
I heard that the Holy Spirit is the Love between the Father and the Son, that it's so great it's a third person..so it's eternal and that then processeds from the Father and the Son....so not just from the Father for the Son is needed as well to actually be processed , yet it's always eternally been...just seeing if I have a slight understanding and not heretical
No this guy is wrong orthodox church is not protestantism with apostolic succession orthodox church dont accept filioque because is based on gospel and church fathers these opinion some orthodox says is right filioque but the most of us says is wrong. some times we see different opinions for some things but in this things critiria is gospel and church fathers and i know that some catholics will find this wrong but eccept from ecumanical councils that is ultimate authority, with the gospel together with church fathers we can see about one subject which is the right opinion that represents the church teaching which is the body of christ leads bythe holy spirit and which opinion is wrong and not represents the church. from my experience us a orthodox Christian i have see this many times when exist a differences to understand which opinion is the voice of church, church goes according to gospel and church fathers and try with this to make the members that they have a wrong belief to change it
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Barnabas was a Catholic like all the other apostles and so he would not have started a different church. There was no such thing as an orthodox until 1054 A.D. Read the writings of the earliest Christian's grandma they all claimed to be Catholic, not orthodox.
Pope Francis apologized for the ways Catholics have contributed to division with Orthodox Christians during a meeting with Greek Orthodox leaders in Athens.. Shamefully, patriarch - I acknowledge this for the Catholic Church - actions and decisions that had little or nothing to do with Jesus and the Gospel, but were instead marked by a thirst for advantage and power, gravely weakened our communion,” the pope told Ieronymos II, the Archbishop of Athens and All Greece. “In this way, we let fruitfulness be compromised by division,” Francis added. “History makes its weight felt, and here, today, I feel the need to ask anew for the forgiveness of God and of our brothers and sisters for the mistakes committed by many Catholics.”
True humility would not try to take a cheap shot at the eastern orthodox church. Too bad you haven't followef the example of your pope and accepted what he said. You could have said nothing and ignored it or acknowledged but not commented on it. If the west didn't thirst for advantage and power none of this would have happened
How can you not? Even all the Popes prior to the 11th century disagreed with its introduction into the Creed, which is why Rome never used it until then (and this shows how the so-called catholics actually do NOT believe in papal infallibility.) Another point to conisder is that before Lyons II, the interpretation of the filioque was unclear. It could be Orthodox and mostly was pre-schism apparently, as explained by St. Maximos. But with the pseudo-ecumenical council of Lyons II the heretical interpretation was made mandatory for the Latins and the Orthodox interpretation condemned, removing all wiggle room.
I actually also a convert from the Russian Orthodox church to the Catholic Church. I come from a non practicing Russian Orthodox family. I love the Catholic Church so much I have a Vatican flag keychain. There are many reasons why I am Catholics. I even want to start a Catholic organization for Catholics with gender disphoria and no I will not be affirming their transition. Instead I will just teach them to live their lives as a cross-dressing gender non confirming which in other words is the same thing as being transgender without the sins related to being transgender. I actually have gender disphoria and understand what transgender people go through, it's pretty sad to be honest with you. In the Orthodox Church being gender non confirming is a sin while St. Joan of Arc was an incredible gender non confirming saint. I am a gender non confirming male and currently in the prosses of becoming a cross-dresser. I am definitely not looking at getting any surgeries with the exception of lazer cutting some of my hairs.
@@timothyp.1392 She only cross dressed to avoid having her innocence being taken away. She didn't do it for fun. And she sure isn't "gender non confirming" lol
Brian... Do you really haven't read the counsel Vatican 2 ??!!! Or I just listened wrong. If so, it's a big deal for you as a catholic apologist and preacher.
Yes, we have read the documents of the second Vatican Council. We were saying that most people who attack Vatican II have not actually read the document.
The church is not pronounced definitively on it, but as of right now, it is not an authentic apparition in the eyes of the church. And has not been for quite a while. All the Bishops us far, and the visiting parties of the Vatican have said that is not of Supernatural origin. But they can't fully condemn it or make a definitive decision until after the visions stop. But the church has said that we are not allowed to call The apparition Our Lady, or Mary, or anything that would indicate that it's authentic.
Theres been a few times ive wondered, maybe thought protestantism was true (and even wished it was true) but the Orthodox have never even been on my radar
Yes we know why, Peter is the Rock and was given the keys. Funny thing is, neither Peter or any of his invented successors in Rome ever utilized the authority of the Papacy or claim in any fashion primacy for more than 1,000 years. Sounds kind of Lutheran to me, hey look there’s all this primacy and authority we’ve overlooked. Lucky for Pope Leo and the Holy Roman Emperor’s. Quite convenient too. But, mostly just the same old power grab that’s plagued humanity since the fall. Ignore the fact that belief requires jettisoning Scripture and a thousand years of principled tradition founded by James and the Apostles when they confronted the teachings that you had to become Jewish before you could become Christian, Enduring Consensus. For its precisely and exclusively the enduring voices of the many that is pleasing to the Holy Spirit as defined by Scripture and not the whims of any Pope, pastor or individual.
Feel free to prove it. The Orthodox broke away from the Catholic Church and the authority of the Pope in the 11th century. Read the earliest Christians. They were all Catholic not Orthodox. Not in a generic sense only but in a specifically Catholic sense. The Orthodox came back and returned to the Catholic Church twice in history and submitted to the pope again only to break away again later. It never happened the other way showing they were the ones who broke away in the first place. Plus there's no one Orthodox church. The are nationalized and fight with each other and excommunicate each other. They have never even had an ecumenical Council since the seventh Council early in the church because they have no authority.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Hello,we dont broke from pope,bc pope first excommunicated us,letting the "anathema" on the altar of Hagia Sophia,in the middle of the Holy Liturgy,soo pope broke away.You said that we all were catholics,true bc catholic means universal,until now IN ALL holy mysteries we refer to our church as catholic,bc it means universal.Orthodoxy mean correct worship/faith and for that all the heretics are named kakodoxy=false worship/faith.You see church can have many tittles like holy,catholic,apostolic,orthodox,Christ body etc... .We never unite bc it was only a politic game,to send help to Constantinople.Christ body are the priests and the people,so if some priest add something wrong,the people dont accept it and nothing never really happend.Orthodox church exist,bc our Lord spell His holy blood for us.In the bible we see that the head of the church is Christ,you hear me?Christ not the pope,if you can,go agains the holy Paul.Doesnt matter if we stop only in 7 ec/councils bc nothing big happened like Arius or Nestorios.Why we need to have problems,to make ec/counslis to feel one?that is sick.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I pray for the roman catholic word to let all the heresies and came back to the truth,but catholics dont, want,catholics dont allow to the Holy Spirit to act on them bc they fight it,and how they did it?well lets see the main heresies and problems 1:They go agains Christ words"drink from it all",and they belive that it is ok just to eat the bread,and they say that "eating the body is like taiking the blood"~~(a catholic priest said that),Christ said DRINK ALL, not just the priest and in same causes and the people. 2:Christ said that the Holy Spirit is proceeds from the Father,and that was the faith of ALL saints,even of all the poles until the 9-10 th c.A.D. Rome added that is also from the Son,that is underestimate of Holy Spirit,and Christ said that is the ONLY sin that can be forgiven.For that reason pope followers dont have ANY mystery or liturgy,for that we cant have common chales. 3:Priests cant be married,when we see that even Peter has a wife,and we also see instruction in the bible that the priest should have good childrens. 4:Unleavened bread.The Holy Students wrote the bible in ancient greek/koini and the word is given is "άρτος"that mean leavened bread,not just bread as it is in the majority of translations today. 5:Pope is the head of church....hear we just need to mention again the Holy Bible that church head is Christ,popes said that heresy only for glory and for a gold life(and we see that from history).Yes Peter was a great figure of Church,but He take the same Holy Spirit with the others And many more that we can talk for days
Not at all close at least say the truth. There is an ontologicall difference between orthodox and catholic Theology in the sense we are talking about a different DEITY
@@CatholicTruthOfficial wrong you are because you have not read the synodicon of orthodoxy that is read at the first Sunday of the great lent. The sunday of orthodoxy . In that text anyone that says that the Glory of God is created is anathema as also anathema is if anyone says at any point or time the energies of God are created.Catholics believe those two. So explain yourselves here.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Also says anyone that goes against the says writtings of saint Gregory Palamas is anathema. Saint Gregory Palamas calls latins for the filioque as following satan and obeying him blindly
@@CatholicTruthOfficial see the hypocrisy in catholism. You participate in the Byzantine Catholic Eucharist see it as the one universal Eucharist of your church.But in thar EUCHARIST is Gregory Palamas as a saint. I wrote what he says for you. So how you participate in a EUCHARIST that has Gregory Palamas as a saint then explain yourselves..
Sort of. The Orthodox of apostolic routes, but technically the Orthodox Church did not exist before they broke away. Before they broke away the church was Catholic.
Yes, the bishop of Rome is over the other bishops and always has been, just as Peter was the head Apostle and the only one to have the Keys of the Kingdom given to him by Jesus.
So have other Protestants lost papacy debates to Catholics? Based on your comment, it seems on dyer and Kabane can win those debates which I’m assuming are scored on a subjective basis
From the get-go a misleading video. Michael Lofton was already Catholic and remained intellectually a Catholic (by his own admission) for the three years (yes, only three years) that he attended liturgy at an Orthodox Church. Let's stop pretending he's an expert on the subject.
It's Pope Francis. There have been bad popes in the past, but yet it's still the truth Church of Jesus Christ it Guided by him. We are not fickle followers Guided by her every whim and stop following the church when things get rough as Jesus said they would.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Yes, it's Pope Francis the apostate. Eastern Orthodox are not fickle followers either. The eastern Church knows persecution very well. However, we don't follow a man. Christ is head of His Church. In the early centuries of the one Church, when new heresies were appearing, needing to be answered with one voice, the Bishop of Rome sent representatives to take part in the ecumenical councils along with all the other Bishops. Together they followed the leading of the Holy Spirit and came to a decision.
@@Kitiwake I actually didn't point my finger. No need. It is very clear what Bergogglio is doing with catholics. The same forces which are manipulating you are also working on the Orthodox. The bigger difference is that the Orthodox kept what was given by the Apostles without morphing, changing and adding doctrines. Rome wandered from 'the faith once delivered to the saints'.
One of the strangest things, one will find, is when a Protestant converts to Orthodoxy they still hold onto their anti-Catholic sentiments all the while acknowledging the Sacraments, Sacred Tradition, the various dogmas of Mary, etc.
@@parrisroy being born again happens at Baptism. If Protestants have a valid baptism then they are born again.
@@juliankonkani No, Eastern Orthodox are not "earlier version of Protestants" - Protestants introduced new, faulty doctrines in conflict with Apostolic Tradition, while the EOs just got stuck at a certain point in time. Pope or non-Pope is not the defining difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.
Also, theological disagreement or doctrinal error is not the same as being anti-Catholic. The East was not anti-Catholic in these early centuries you mentioned.
But of course, if one is already anti-Catholic, that won't change by moving from one non-Catholic denomination to another. Why should it.
@@parrisroy does that mean that Our Lord was wrong in Mark 16:16? What about Peter in 1 Peter 3:21 where he stated that baptism saves us? The salvific nature of Baptism was the universal belief of the early Church.
@@parrisroy What do you mean by the truth of Scripture, Roy? Do you not rather mean your interpretation of Scripture? Thus actually the truth of Roy?
@@parrisroy we’re allowed to think. Why aren’t we?
Io ero in il giudaismo e un protestante e ora sono cattolico cristiano ✝️
“I was in Judaism and a Protestant and now I am a Catholic Christian!”
Molto bene! Grazie a Dio!
Praise God!
@Catholic Truth: I was translating what our poster said above. I’m a cradle Catholic myself…
@@johnflorio3052 amen
In my Orthodox parish many, many parishioners are former Roman Catholics. The Catholic Church has changed its liturgy, Protestantized the Mass with many modernist innovations. Orthodoxy has not been corrupted liturgically.
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The Novus Ordo and TLM are of the same Roman Rite, so no there was no "change of liturgy". Both forms of the rite are practiced
Yup they lack in charity generally and lack capacity to address changes in the world. Look at the Catholics impacting the justice system, education etc and even in the pro-life movement.
You can be a bizantine catholic. You are in communion with Rome and you have the oriental liturgy
Orthodoxy has changed and innovated too. That's not exclusive to just Catholicism. Now, one can debate which one has the least amount of changes, but to say that Orthodoxy has remained completely unchanged is inaccurate.
Great video Bryan! While in my search for God, I came across the Orthodoxy before i discovered the Catholic Church and thought the traditions were quite beautiful, and thought about joining, but then I learned about the fulness of truth and couldn't be happier to be in the process of joining the Catholic Church! Keep up the great work Bryan and the rest of the team at Catholic Truth, God bless you all!
So glad to hear that! Thank you for sharing it with us. Prayers for you and your continued but Christ. God bless you.
Can't understand why protestants hate Catholics.
@@johnheah1526 I would love to know that answer.? I just can't understand it ?🤷
@@parrisroy JOHN HEAH Did not say that, and you know that. You say such cruel things ROY ANTHONY you should be ashamed. Go Away and Stay Away.😠
@@parrisroy I asked the same question, so what's your problem ? You say such rude things to others, l don't agree with that. You are not a polite person. Why don't you take your attitude somewhere else. Good bye
I am Orthodox but I have feelings to convert to catholicism
Watch our newest video then. It's very informative. czcams.com/video/NQpK79qISwA/video.htmlsi=2o7OJ5ehVxzZhIJ6
Same..
This is sooo coincidental! Today I’ve been trying to discern about either being a Roman Catholic or an Orthodox. I’m not a baptized Christian yet, but I’ve been attending the Latin mass (SSPX) but lately I’ve been attracted to Orthodox hymns and Icons, etc, thank you for this
SSPX is not part of the Catholic Church yet...but there has been on-going discussion between SSPX and the Vatican...
Great! I hope you enjoy the video then. Glad it was good timing. And yes, sspx is not in full communion with the Catholic Church. But we pray for them.
@@jeffreyalilin7314 he could look for a local FSSP parish and be in full communion.
@@jeffreyalilin7314 oh, is there something bad about SSPX, should I stop attending?
@@felipedeodonoju3953 They're in an iffy spot canonically. If you like the traditional Latin Mass maybe try to find around your area another community offering the Latin Mass (like the Institute of Christ the King or FSSP) that is solidly, unquestionably in full communion with the Holy See.
There are also certain Eastern rites (like the Marionite Catholic, the Ukranian Greek Catholic, etc) in full communion with the Church if you think the Lord is calling you to that sort of community.
I am so grateful for the Roman Catholic Church!
Catholic church
I have ex Greek Orthodox friend's who are now in the Catholic faith Nick Dracoules & his Son's & I read a great Ex Ortrodox who is now Catholic his name is Gideon Lazar he's a writer & Apologist 📖✍️📰🗞️ Gideon Lazar go look his stuff up to. But yeah my friend Nick Dracoules came from a Greek Orthodox family & raised he read watched debate's & is now a Catholic we go to Mass together" thanks for your Channel & Jesus Mary and Joseph Pray for Us" many Prostestants become Catholic you got a few that get involved in Sedevanctist ideas & then they will try Ortrodoxy but they're is 16 different branches Oriented Eastern so,on in the Catholic church we only have Roman & Eastern Rite Cathecism" & Russia & Greece are in Schism. Thanks Brain & Mike & God bless Our Lady queen of Victory Pray for Us Christ Save us Holy spirit Strengthen us 🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic"
That's fantastic! Thank you for watching and God bless :)
A resounding point of pride I observe in both Protestant and in Eastern Orthodoxy, due to lack of central authority and accountability, is this sense of "my". He spells it out at 25:50, "You took MY priests. You've taken MY parishes." Not "You've robbed the lord, led these people astray, etc.
Protestantism is no better. These "churches" all teach different interpretations of scripture and vie and fight for "market share" in their areas. Their pastors wear $1000 sport coats and drive Mercedes. Who's service is the most fun? Who has the best kids' programs? Who's coffee shop in the lobby is the best? It is sickening. Am I in the house of the living God or am I at a conference?
All valid points!
ah yes, compared to the pauper asthethic of the vatican's instuititions.
@@ntw12 Yes but the priests don’t own these things. And the house of God where the sacrifice of the Holy Mass is given.
Feel free to look up exactly how many charitable institutions the Church has established. From free hospitals and schools to food pantries and vocational training.
@@augustvonmacksen2526 I was not critiquing the individual priests but the instuition.
It is hilarious and boderline bizare for a Catholics to point to some of the wolves in sheep clothing in protestanism as evidence of materialism and pride seeping into the church.
Abusive medivial indulgence practices were encouraged by the Pope Leo X, whle on the other hand.
Mainstream Protestantism rejects the Joel Osteen/Steven Frutick/Hillsong types as prosperity peachers.
@@augustvonmacksen2526 There are plenty of reasonable objections to Orthodoxy and Protestentaism from an RCC perspective. This critique is not one of them
Thi should be interesting. Our orthobros are all over the Latin church side of CZcams handing out their opinions on the primacy of Peter and the their understanding of the DivineTrinity.
That is so true I have noticed a lot of their comments on a lot of traditional Catholic CZcams channels that I watch.
Primacy should not be controversial, "thou are Petros and upon you the "rock" I will build My church."
Complaining about the inheritance they left behind.
The only reason to be Roman Catholic.. It's is the only true Apostolic Church and the only one in which one can be saved.. There is no salvation outside..
@@Wgaither1 the compromises started with Trent
Vatican II did not change that, but clarified the meaning. Vatican II is clear in its documents that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial honestly.. Tey have been lying to us since Trent.. That salvation can be found outside the church...Baptism of desire.. Implicit.. Subsequently explicit.. Invincible ignorance... Than one can gain membership without a water baptism.. Or without a baptism of blood.. . Nothing of this is to be found in scripture..except for wishful thinking.. ..we have been punished badly.. Now it seems the Catholic Church has no real reason to exist.. Just one of the wannabe types.. Scripture tells us all outside Noah's ark perished.. Since Trent they have been saying no.. Some survived..
Try and get the name right, Neil. It's the Catholic church.
CCC 846... "Hence they could not be saved who, knowing the Catholic Church was founded necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. CCC 847 "This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church"
Great to see Michael Lofton on the channel!!
You will see him again very soon also.
After the Council of Florence, there was reunion, but that same year the Ottoman Turks took over Eastern Europe and closed off communion and dialog until 1921 when the Ottoman Empire fell in WW1. There could be no communion until the mighty Ottomans were gone. Proof of this is the fact the Russian Orthodox were invented in 1450 right after the Council of Florence, because the Russians didn't approve of Constantinople reuniting with Rome, so the Russian sect broke away from Constantinople. Almost every single Patriarch in Eastern Orthodoxy came about in the last 400 years because they broke away from their parent national church. None of it was done peacefully, none of it was based on any Council, no Council ever allowed that behavior. They all slowly broke away and said to their parent Patriarch "we're fine being on our own and setting up our own Patriarch, so if you want communion you must admit we're an independent church body". Not kidding.
@Orthodox Catechumen So you're saying that the Turks never persecuted Christians and you also said that the rest of Europe was under Islamic law or control?
That's not accurate. The Turks most certainly did persecute Christians even if at times there was peace.
The Turks were not trying to brake into Europe to make friends. They ruled the Balkans and would have gone as far into Europe as they pleased had they not been stopped the Gates. Not sure what your idea of persecution is but surely that started way back in Anatolia and who do you think wiped out the Byzantine Empire ?
Sure 1204 didn't help but you can't blame the west for everything.
Thankyou Brian, for such a great guest Michael, he is one of my favourite Catholics
Brian can you please do a detailed video on the Eastern Catholic churches and what makes them different. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I am sure it will be helpful to many who is considering Orthodoxy bcoz they like the liturgy.
For sure. We will do this at some point in the future. God bless.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Get Fr. Christiaan Kappes on the show.
I’m catholic for life but I love watching eastern orthodox church service because they seem more reverent and Russsian Orthadox choir music 🕯🔊🕯=👼🏽👼🏼👼🏻
Or a high Latin Mass. Also beautiful!
To me, reverence will differ depending on who is presiding and other factors like the congregation. You can (and I would think should) have reverent Mass in any liturgical rite. It can be a matter of heart.
That's nonsense.
When you go to mass it's not the mass that's irreverent ... It's you.
@@Kitiwake
Your experience in the environment of the mass is very limited. I have been to Mass where the priest has literally stoped the mass and told the young women to leave and come back in decent attire. About two months ago my parish priest in his homily said he refused to give the Eucharist to someone wearing a shirt that had the word ***k, every mass I go cell phones go off or kneeling bench slams loud where one priest had to tell people not do that .All true. I know this doesn’t happen everywhere and it does not interfere with transubstantiation but come show some reverence. 😤
@@BryanMerc
I want to see how is!
I'm a protestant looking to leave and join either the catholic or eastern orthodox Church. I'm dumbfounded and stuck as to which I want to choose as this is a huge decision.
Yes, it can be a difficult choice. Maybe look into the Arguments for each of them and start there. Also pray about it. If you have any questions, we are here to help you as well.
Michael Lofton has switched religions multiple times. He hardly counts as some devoted, educated, firm Orthodox before RETURNING to the Novus Ordo.
Thank you for the talk and explanations.. Am really looking forward to the next topics you suggested, hopefully, in the near future... god bless you both.
Coming soon! Thanks for watching and God bless :)
if people only study the council of Florence where 700+ byzantine delegation of bishops and monks that included the Byzantine emperor and the patriarch of Constantinople debated and agreed and accepted the catholic profession of faith and submission to papal supremacy. the byzantine emperor died a catholic, and the patriarch of Constantinople also died a catholic. when the caliph Mehmet II destroyed Constantinople, he selected an anti-catholic monk to become the patriarch of Constantinople and deposed every bishop that was pro union with Rome
I am Eastern Orthodox Christian and would like to say my peace. My son was originally baptized as Catholic due to his biological dad and his family being Catholic. When my son was 7 years old, he was received into Orthodox Church. I or my side of the family never pushed for it( we made multiple attempts to sign him up for CCD and it never worked out ).It was my son’s decision. I still take my son occasionally to Catholic Church for Sunday services and we always have had bad experiences. Some parishioners attacked us for blessing ourselves “in the wrong way” ( you know the sign of the cross in Orthodox is done differently ), some during Latin mass told us off because we were failing to kneel at the right time. Yet, I don’t hold grudges and truly believe it is the individuals at the church who decided that it was okay to judge. Our family never looked differently or judged any denominations ( my husband is former southern Baptist who is catechumen orthodox ). At our Orthodox Church, we have a lot of young folks coming from the Catholic side of the world and their reason “ I didn’t feel connected, I felt judged”. It is just our experience and I am sure that others have their own experiences.
I turned from Catholicism because of the perversions of its priesthoo aand in the Vatican.
The Orthodox Church as it stands today, never existed before the 11th century.
The name Eastern Orthodox Church is neither found in tradition nor in the Ecumenical councils for the same reason the names Anglican, Lutheran nor Baptist names are not found in either tradition nor in the Ecumenical councils.
If its not found in tradition then it's not Apostolic but man-made.
@@SAHOVNICU You are a little late with your response because the author of this video and I had a pretty interesting back and forth exchange . After my last response, the author chose to delete our convo all together besides my original comment ( which is a pity and shows something. Our conversation wasn’t offensive or disrespectful). Yet, during that exchange, I did respond to the same question. Since the author of this video chose to delete it , you probably could reach out to him and see if he saved the originals :-). Peace ❤
You should look at this channels testimony
I’m a Roman Rite Catholic. I tried to convert to EO twice and each time I found myself after a while going back to my Rosary, my Catholic saints, the Angeles Prayer, etc. so I just stayed RC.
Also by the fact that the TC
Amen!
Orthodoxy is still rising and nobody can’t stop this
I was baptized catholic ...now I am catacumin.
@@tallmikbcroft6937 nice to hear that where are you from?
@@lianborgiademedici1016 Minneapolis. . going to Holy Liturgy has changed my life. I go to a Romanian Church.. but I'm not Romanian. Doesn't matter tho. I am welcomed as part of the family.
How about you? Where are you from?
Indeed, recently our priest baptized a former catholic. Former catholic priest is well on his way to take the step next.
@@tallmikbcroft6937 My experience is that Romanians tend to be very welcoming and having a Romance language. using Latin script makes it easier to follow along with the services.
I think this two Churchs are
both okay... as long as WE honor the HOLY EUCHARIST...in same belift...
We would love to hear more! That hour went wayyy to fast!
Thank you! 💠
Why can't we just accept each others beliefs and respect each other I've only just come across this page New to this new to CZcams really happy to have found this group some of the group's on this don't seem to care what people say to each other
We do hahaha just they are discussing why Catholicsm is correct and Orthodoxh is wrong its just a debate
Was not the Council of Florence an attempt by the Pope to reconcile the Catholic and Orthodox Churches which almost succeeded but fell at the last hurdle.
Another point, the Orthodox Church has retained Apostolic Succession and a valid priesthood [unlike any protestant denomination] and therefore an Orthodox Liturgy is a valid celebration of the Sacrifice of the Mass [unlike a protestant service]
Hello,
We do recognize their sacraments as valid even though they are not in communion with Rome. Hopefully one day we will be together again! God bless
From life to death, light to darkness.
In this case, it was from death to life and darkness to light. From a schismatic church to the true church.
I have to agree, I thought the same thing in the Orthodox church, long story short.
Whichever church is true, I will become faithful to that church.
Amen
Have you done any videos on truth, lies, myths, and misconceptions about the Protestant Reformation?
We will be. We have talked about Lutheran Calvin and some of our videos and debunked protestantism in general, but we do plan on talking about the Reformation as well.
The biggest lie of Protestantism is sola fide.
@@Justas399 what is the measure of a man's faith? It seems Protestantism has over 40 thousand faiths alone.
@@Justas399no, that’s not what other Protestants have told me it means. Not that it’s faith in Christ ALONE that saves, it is your faith ALONE in Christ that saves. Some will tell you it is literally that, others will say it means you evidence your faith by works, still others will tell you that simply declaring Christ the Lord secures your place in Heaven. So, first, as a whole Protestants can’t agree about what this sola even means (that’s the problem with allowing everyone to interpret things for themselves, as Prots do). Second, the faith alone with extra nos imputation is not the soteriology that Christ taught. See Matthew 19:16-26. The rich young man asks Jesus directly how to enter Heaven, and Jesus tells him, of course, that all he must do is believe in Him and His righteousness will be imputed to the mans account and he will be saved. Wait. Christ DOESNT say that. He tells the man to keep the Commandments and sell his possessions, give to the poor, and follow Him. Hardly sola fide with extra nos imputation.
@@Justas399 so which Scripture is correct and why? Or is it possible they are BOTH correct? You’re putting Scripture against Scripture and thinking it proves your point. You can quote other passages all you want but the truth of it is that you nor any other Prot can refute the actual words of Christ to that rich young man. So, you evade. No Catholic would tell you faith is not necessary, but it’s not everything you need. There’s more, and several places in the Bible concur with this. The ENTIRE Bible is true, not just the parts that you agree with.
So, you can’t keep yourself from winning? You can’t keep yourself from stealing, murdering, fornicating, committing adultery, or worshipping idols for example? Leave the “no man can keep the Commandments” junk at home.
Hello, forgive my ignorance in posing this question.
But why is an infallible authority so important?
Why wouldn't a church with fallible authority be possible?
1 Timothy 3 and Titus give lists for testing presbyters and deacons for example, the letter 1 Timothy even mentions rebuking a bishop
who is in sin with 2 witnesses.
I understand sin does not equal false teaching perse, but it could be a sin to provide false teaching could it not?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but the pope is a bishop as well right; so how are we to test the pope?
How can we infallibly determine fallibility at all?
Please try to understand, I don't mean these questions in a confronting way, I genuinely interested in a defence for these questions.
I'm still Protestant atm. looking into the Catholic church.
I even got ex-communicated this month for refusing to reject Catholic doctrine (my reasoning: I can't reject what I don't know to be wrong or true).
And could anyone help me to find a place where I can actually talk to people who know Catholicism and discuss with them;
so that perhaps they can help me on my journey.
Right now I'm really lost and all by myself in finding out the truth.
If you accept the authority of the Catholic Church and know it to be true and if you know Jesus started the Catholic Church and gave his authority to her, then you can trust the Church. We trusted the Church enough to give us the Bible (infallibly) and to choose just the right books that are Scripture while removing the other ones.
Asking we we need an infallible authority instead of a fallible one is a good question, but it's like asking why the Bible needs to be infallible, and couldn't we have a fallible Bible? Well, if we have a fallible Bible, then how can we know the truth for sure? Jesus promised in Jn. 16 to send His Holy Spirit to guide us into _all truth._ He guides his Church and prevents it from making mistakes on doctrine.
Infallibility does not mean that everything the Pope says or does is infallible or even correct. It also does not apply to anything outside of faith and morals. The Church cannot pronounce on science, or the lottery or math or anything else. It doesn't mean the pope has special knowledge letting him know everything in advance. No, infallibility is a negative charism. It simply means that when officially teaching a doctrine or dogma, the Holy Spirit guides the Church and the pope and prevents him from making mistakes so we can be led into all truth and have an assurance of the truth. Otherwise, how do we know what true for sure? Lastly, infallibility is very very rare. You can probably count on two hands the number of infallible statements the Church has made. Most of the teachings and doctrines fall under ordinary magisterium and not the charism of infallibility. There is a wide variety of statements the pope makes from his own opinion, up to authoritative, up to the top infallibility. Again, the last is rare, and most comments and statements fall within the former. For Pope Francis, most statements and teachings have been more of his opinion and personal thoughts rather than authoritative teaching. I hope that helps.
Finally ! Michael Lofton !!👍👍👍
He will be back soon. We're going to do a whole show on Vatican II and radical traditionalism in the church.
@@BryanMerc I am really really really looking forward to it and I will pass the word around ! This is really exciting !!
There is a dire lack of the moderate voice !!! The rad trads are the modern day Pharisees and the Taliban equivalent of Catholicsm. Its time the moderates reclaim the "traditional Catholic" title back !!!
@@BryanMerc by the way did you see my reply on acupuncture to someone who recently commented on the video you did 1 year ago ? I received your question asking me if I am on Facebook as you like to explore the topic further with me. Not sure if you are still keen. I don't have a Facebook account. But can be reached by email.
Email is fine. info@thecatholictruth.org. Thanks!
You just got us excited on Vatican II and changes in the liturgy.
EO was the first protestant before it became fashionable in the 16 hundreds.
Yep!
Uh no, not even close. Orthodoxy doesn't exist to "protest" Roman Catholicism.
@@StoneRobbins It did by protesting papal authority
@@awake3083 "Papal authority" as in the idea that the pope has immediate and universal jurisdiction was not present in the early church. The initial disagreement between the Orthodox and Rome was the heretical addition of the Filioque to the Creed.
@@StoneRobbins Yet in the first century Pope St. Victor excommunicated the churches of Asia Minor for having the wrong Easter date. The Orthodox opposition is to papal authority because you were protesting the clarification to the Creed and many other non-issues. Even within the East we see filioquistic ideas which (both East and) West have always affirmed as orthodox which is why Rome permits Eastern Catholics to not recite the Filioque (but they still believe in it). It’s interesting as you (assuming you’re Orthodox) say there was no “papal authority” in the early church yet your communion has historically bought into it and affirmed it remain in communion with Rome (the Mother Church). Why is there little to no consistency for the East on the authority of the Pope? One Orthodox will say there was no papacy or papal authority in the early church and the next will say there was but overstepped their boundaries. Be consistent!
Thank you dear brother ❤❤
This was awesome! 👌 👌
So glad, we have an even better. One coming out very soon. Probably in the next week or so.
I’ve been thinking about converting from a Catholic to Orthodox.
If you have any questions, or if we can help in any way, just let us know.
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I heard that the Holy Spirit is the Love between the Father and the Son, that it's so great it's a third person..so it's eternal and that then processeds from the Father and the Son....so not just from the Father for the Son is needed as well to actually be processed , yet it's always eternally been...just seeing if I have a slight understanding and not heretical
Please Beloved….come home… the world will shift for the good… please you knooow this💖Jesus bind us in true unity
Were there even claims from the Eastern Orthodox that Rome once or many times accepted their denial of Papal supremacy and infallibility?
No this guy is wrong orthodox church is not protestantism with apostolic succession orthodox church dont accept filioque because is based on gospel and church fathers these opinion some orthodox says is right filioque but the most of us says is wrong. some times we see different opinions for some things but in this things critiria is gospel and church fathers and i know that some catholics will find this wrong but eccept from ecumanical councils that is ultimate authority, with the gospel together with church fathers we can see about one subject which is the right opinion that represents the church teaching which is the body of christ leads bythe holy spirit and which opinion is wrong and not represents the church. from my experience us a orthodox Christian i have see this many times when exist a differences to understand which opinion is the voice of church, church goes according to gospel and church fathers and try with this to make the members that they have a wrong belief to change it
You need to do more for the majority who know nothing about Christianity. Who want to convert
Check out the rest of our videos. There are many many topics that will help with that. We will be having a video on that topic soon specifically.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial ❤because of you I've joined a class for those who are looking to convert to catholism
We are gonna need a lot more converts!!:(
Catholism is growing brother 🛐🗝️🗝️📖💯 Catholic
@@Wgaither1 Don't know where you live I live in the North east we have 17 Catholic churches in my area & we have Revreant Novo's Ordo & Traditional Latin Masse's & even Byzantine" my Parish has 1,000+ members brother 🙏🛐🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic
@@Wgaither1 Where are you getting your information?? I read that Stats Catholicism is growing in the USA & some Orthodoxy is to Stats 1.4 Billion Catholics, Prostestants 750 million & Eastern Orthodox 250 million that's world wide stats & Atheist & Muslims are outgrowing Christianity 🗞️📰 that's Sad!!
Not sure where you get your info from but They're are are So many Catholic CZcams channels to ex Prostestants ex Orthodox" Keith Nester Michael Lofton Reason & Thology Catholic answers Catholic Transformation blue collar Catholic Counsil of Trent Horn & you have the More Rad Trad Catholism Dr Taylor Marshall Remnant Michael Matt Fatima Center on CZcams Tradcatknight Eric Tradewski & numerous others Brain Holdsworth from Canada he's got a good channel" Timothy Gordon's show 🗝️🗝️📿💯 Catholic
@@frankperrella1202 you did some good research there Frank.
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Orthodox church established by Barnabas and Apostle in Antioch Syria in 41 AD,
Barnabas was a Catholic like all the other apostles and so he would not have started a different church. There was no such thing as an orthodox until 1054 A.D. Read the writings of the earliest Christian's grandma they all claimed to be Catholic, not orthodox.
Pope Francis apologized for the ways Catholics have contributed to division with Orthodox Christians during a meeting with Greek Orthodox leaders in Athens..
Shamefully, patriarch - I acknowledge this for the Catholic Church - actions and decisions that had little or nothing to do with Jesus and the Gospel, but were instead marked by a thirst for advantage and power, gravely weakened our communion,” the pope told Ieronymos II, the Archbishop of Athens and All Greece.
“In this way, we let fruitfulness be compromised by division,” Francis added. “History makes its weight felt, and here, today, I feel the need to ask anew for the forgiveness of God and of our brothers and sisters for the mistakes committed by many Catholics.”
Too bad orthodox don't have the humility to apologize in return.
True humility would not try to take a cheap shot at the eastern orthodox church. Too bad you haven't followef the example of your pope and accepted what he said. You could have said nothing and ignored it or acknowledged but not commented on it. If the west didn't thirst for advantage and power none of this would have happened
Wow!
I am still an Eastern Orthodox. I don't agree with Filioque.
@ΚΥΡΙΕ ΕΛΕΗΣΟΝ What does it say?
How can you not? Even all the Popes prior to the 11th century disagreed with its introduction into the Creed, which is why Rome never used it until then (and this shows how the so-called catholics actually do NOT believe in papal infallibility.) Another point to conisder is that before Lyons II, the interpretation of the filioque was unclear. It could be Orthodox and mostly was pre-schism apparently, as explained by St. Maximos. But with the pseudo-ecumenical council of Lyons II the heretical interpretation was made mandatory for the Latins and the Orthodox interpretation condemned, removing all wiggle room.
Does anyone on this watch mother angelica my mother has dvds on her she is really inspiring
Yes! She is fantastic!! I read her biography too. Incredible.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I've never read her autobiography but her videos are like gold to my mother
I actually also a convert from the Russian Orthodox church to the Catholic Church. I come from a non practicing Russian Orthodox family. I love the Catholic Church so much I have a Vatican flag keychain. There are many reasons why I am Catholics. I even want to start a Catholic organization for Catholics with gender disphoria and no I will not be affirming their transition. Instead I will just teach them to live their lives as a cross-dressing gender non confirming which in other words is the same thing as being transgender without the sins related to being transgender. I actually have gender disphoria and understand what transgender people go through, it's pretty sad to be honest with you. In the Orthodox Church being gender non confirming is a sin while St. Joan of Arc was an incredible gender non confirming saint. I am a gender non confirming male and currently in the prosses of becoming a cross-dresser. I am definitely not looking at getting any surgeries with the exception of lazer cutting some of my hairs.
You should still dress your part. Joan of arc was inspired by God.
@@timothyp.1392 She only cross dressed to avoid having her innocence being taken away. She didn't do it for fun. And she sure isn't "gender non confirming" lol
Forget about therapies, Jesus is the best doctor. I recommend that you pray the rosary every day. God bless.
@@mireladukic4806 God wouldn’t want you to deny basic healthcare.
@@boopbeepbop154 :'(
Still Orthodox thanks.
No worries. We will pray for you ;-)
0 church fathers arguments
Yet all the earliest Church fathers claimed to be Catholic. There will be more videos in the future friend. God bless you.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial not vatican 1 and 2 catholic. for sure
@@CatholicTruthOfficial don’t orthodox still call themselves Catholic
Ur shirt 😂❤
Brian... Do you really haven't read the counsel Vatican 2 ??!!! Or I just listened wrong. If so, it's a big deal for you as a catholic apologist and preacher.
Yes, we have read the documents of the second Vatican Council. We were saying that most people who attack Vatican II have not actually read the document.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial thanks Brian, It was my limited english. I'm so relieved.
The Great Council did not address two major issues, therefore lost its credibility. Major issues: Ecumenism and the Church Calendar.
Hi, i have a question. Is medjugorje a fake apparition
The church is not pronounced definitively on it, but as of right now, it is not an authentic apparition in the eyes of the church. And has not been for quite a while. All the Bishops us far, and the visiting parties of the Vatican have said that is not of Supernatural origin. But they can't fully condemn it or make a definitive decision until after the visions stop. But the church has said that we are not allowed to call The apparition Our Lady, or Mary, or anything that would indicate that it's authentic.
Theres been a few times ive wondered, maybe thought protestantism was true (and even wished it was true) but the Orthodox have never even been on my radar
You should stay Catholic brother
They are now.
Did you say deeperly?
Yes we know why, Peter is the Rock and was given the keys. Funny thing is, neither Peter or any of his invented successors in Rome ever utilized the authority of the Papacy or claim in any fashion primacy for more than 1,000 years. Sounds kind of Lutheran to me, hey look there’s all this primacy and authority we’ve overlooked. Lucky for Pope Leo and the Holy Roman Emperor’s. Quite convenient too. But, mostly just the same old power grab that’s plagued humanity since the fall. Ignore the fact that belief requires jettisoning Scripture and a thousand years of principled tradition founded by James and the Apostles when they confronted the teachings that you had to become Jewish before you could become Christian, Enduring Consensus. For its precisely and exclusively the enduring voices of the many that is pleasing to the Holy Spirit as defined by Scripture and not the whims of any Pope, pastor or individual.
Our Holy Orthodox Church is the real church of Christ,may God forgive you
Feel free to prove it. The Orthodox broke away from the Catholic Church and the authority of the Pope in the 11th century. Read the earliest Christians. They were all Catholic not Orthodox. Not in a generic sense only but in a specifically Catholic sense. The Orthodox came back and returned to the Catholic Church twice in history and submitted to the pope again only to break away again later. It never happened the other way showing they were the ones who broke away in the first place. Plus there's no one Orthodox church. The are nationalized and fight with each other and excommunicate each other. They have never even had an ecumenical Council since the seventh Council early in the church because they have no authority.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Hello,we dont broke from pope,bc pope first excommunicated us,letting the "anathema" on the altar of Hagia Sophia,in the middle of the Holy Liturgy,soo pope broke away.You said that we all were catholics,true bc catholic means universal,until now IN ALL holy mysteries we refer to our church as catholic,bc it means universal.Orthodoxy mean correct worship/faith and for that all the heretics are named kakodoxy=false worship/faith.You see church can have many tittles like holy,catholic,apostolic,orthodox,Christ body etc... .We never unite bc it was only a politic game,to send help to Constantinople.Christ body are the priests and the people,so if some priest add something wrong,the people dont accept it and nothing never really happend.Orthodox church exist,bc our Lord spell His holy blood for us.In the bible we see that the head of the church is Christ,you hear me?Christ not the pope,if you can,go agains the holy Paul.Doesnt matter if we stop only in 7 ec/councils bc nothing big happened like Arius or Nestorios.Why we need to have problems,to make ec/counslis to feel one?that is sick.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial I pray for the roman catholic word to let all the heresies and came back to the truth,but catholics dont, want,catholics dont allow to the Holy Spirit to act on them bc they fight it,and how they did it?well lets see the main heresies and problems
1:They go agains Christ words"drink from it all",and they belive that it is ok just to eat the bread,and they say that "eating the body is like taiking the blood"~~(a catholic priest said that),Christ said DRINK ALL, not just the priest and in same causes and the people.
2:Christ said that the Holy Spirit is proceeds from the Father,and that was the faith of ALL saints,even of all the poles until the 9-10 th c.A.D. Rome added that is also from the Son,that is underestimate of Holy Spirit,and Christ said that is the ONLY sin that can be forgiven.For that reason pope followers dont have ANY mystery or liturgy,for that we cant have common chales.
3:Priests cant be married,when we see that even Peter has a wife,and we also see instruction in the bible that the priest should have good childrens.
4:Unleavened bread.The Holy Students wrote the bible in ancient greek/koini and the word is given is "άρτος"that mean leavened bread,not just bread as it is in the majority of translations today.
5:Pope is the head of church....hear we just need to mention again the Holy Bible that church head is Christ,popes said that heresy only for glory and for a gold life(and we see that from history).Yes Peter was a great figure of Church,but He take the same Holy Spirit with the others
And many more that we can talk for days
Is Simony a sin ?
Yes.
What's simony?
10:00 he seems to justify his own wishy-washiness with logic.
Are u teaching the truth on John Paul II or are you teaching heresy?
In what regard?
Not at all close at least say the truth. There is an ontologicall difference between orthodox and catholic Theology in the sense we are talking about a different DEITY
I don't think you understand either religion then. I'm pretty sure you're the only one who agrees with you on this.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial wrong you are because you have not read the synodicon of orthodoxy that is read at the first Sunday of the great lent. The sunday of orthodoxy . In that text anyone that says that the Glory of God is created is anathema as also anathema is if anyone says at any point or time the energies of God are created.Catholics believe those two. So explain yourselves here.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Also says anyone that goes against the says writtings of saint Gregory Palamas is anathema. Saint Gregory Palamas calls latins for the filioque as following satan and obeying him blindly
@@CatholicTruthOfficial see the hypocrisy in catholism. You participate in the Byzantine Catholic Eucharist see it as the one universal Eucharist of your church.But in thar EUCHARIST is Gregory Palamas as a saint. I wrote what he says for you. So how you participate in a EUCHARIST that has Gregory Palamas as a saint then explain yourselves..
Can you buy the grace of God
No.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial What a stupid question.🤦
@@zetarose9943 well that was done in the west 8th to 10 th cen. I lot become bishops by that way in the Frankish world
Both have apostolic succession.
Sort of. The Orthodox of apostolic routes, but technically the Orthodox Church did not exist before they broke away. Before they broke away the church was Catholic.
They didn’t brake away Rome Bishop wasn’t over the other Bishop like today
Yes, the bishop of Rome is over the other bishops and always has been, just as Peter was the head Apostle and the only one to have the Keys of the Kingdom given to him by Jesus.
Debate Jay Dyer or Kabane on the Papacy. No Catholic have ever beat them in a debate. Roman Catholicism is indefensible.
Challenge accepted.
So have other Protestants lost papacy debates to Catholics? Based on your comment, it seems on dyer and Kabane can win those debates which I’m assuming are scored on a subjective basis
Jay Dyer is just good at talking over people and using big words. Jesus gave Peter the keys of the kingdom. The End.
@@krimbii Amen!!! Mic drop🎤
@@ChillingWithMel22 It really is that simple.
From the get-go a misleading video. Michael Lofton was already Catholic and remained intellectually a Catholic (by his own admission) for the three years (yes, only three years) that he attended liturgy at an Orthodox Church. Let's stop pretending he's an expert on the subject.
How are things working out with Bergogglio?
It's Pope Francis. There have been bad popes in the past, but yet it's still the truth Church of Jesus Christ it Guided by him. We are not fickle followers Guided by her every whim and stop following the church when things get rough as Jesus said they would.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Yes, it's Pope Francis the apostate. Eastern Orthodox are not fickle followers either. The eastern Church knows persecution very well. However, we don't follow a man. Christ is head of His Church. In the early centuries of the one Church, when new heresies were appearing, needing to be answered with one voice, the Bishop of Rome sent representatives to take part in the ecumenical councils along with all the other Bishops. Together they followed the leading of the Holy Spirit and came to a decision.
@@craigmouldey2339 when you point your finger there are three more pointing back at you.
@@Kitiwake I actually didn't point my finger. No need. It is very clear what Bergogglio is doing with catholics. The same forces which are manipulating you are also working on the Orthodox. The bigger difference is that the Orthodox kept what was given by the Apostles without morphing, changing and adding doctrines. Rome wandered from 'the faith once delivered to the saints'.
@ΚΥΡΙΕ ΕΛΕΗΣΟΝ I don't have any idea what you are hyperventilating about. I have and believe the symbol of faith which is the Nicean Creed.
No way bro left the true church to be a heretic 💀
Martin Luther did leave the church to be a heretic. But the orthodox churches were also excommunicated and left as well