2024 Mazda3 AWD vs Subaru Impreza / Muddy Waters
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2024
- While the Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic may be more popular, the Mazda3 and Subaru Impreza offer their own distinct advantages. Today, I will explore both of them to find out which one is the best (non-hybrid) compact in the US.
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"there's enough soft touch materials to impress the imaginary women in my life."
I felt that.
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Love the styling on the Mazda3 Hatch. More street presence than any practical car under $40k. Especially in that glorious Mazda red.
Mazda Red is a legitimate reason to pick the Mazda. Best color, maybe ever.
@@minnybiker4505 It's a beautiful colour: and you will find that it chips very easily.
I'm glad you reviewed the Mazda 3 sedan. Most You tube videos show the hatchback.
A few years ago, I had a Subaru Impreza with a manual trans, and now I own a Mazda 3 2.5 GS FWD. IMO, the Mazda 3 is better for the following reasons:
- More power
- Better real-world fuel economy
- Much better steering feel on center
- Nicer interior
- Better ergonomics
- Better infotainment and interface
- More reliable
- Better transmission. The clutch on the Subaru was horrible.
The only thing that the Impreza had over the Mazda is a more refined suspension. Unless you live down a fire-route in Alaska, look at a Civic or Mazda 3.
Can't imagine a scenario when I would choose the CVT Impreza over the Maxda 3.
Other than the CVT, Mazda also easily wins by still having physical climate controls
AWD, price, interior space are all solid reasons... Mazda is sharp looking, but I barely fit in the front seats and no one would want to sit behind me.
@@minnybiker4505Interior space is the main factor. If you want a less expensive 3 with awd, you can get a cx-30
@@Unchainedmaple888 the Impreza has eight hard buttons/switches for the climate controls, not one of those count? I’ve had the RS for over six months and can’t remember going into the main CC screen which pops up in an instant with oversized easy to select buttons. No brainer to fat finger the always on screen buttons for the fan speed and AC, voice controls work great or just tap Auto and you’re good for 90% of your settings. It’s a non issue.
@@tpolerex7282 Yeah, have fun changing fan speed when the screen breaks and it costs $2500 to replace.
Love the Mazda 3 HB Carbon edition. Absolutely stunning.
Very well produced video very Clear and concise.
I've had the Subaru RS for a few months and I'm very happy with it. As far as the infotainment screen, I would prefer a couple more physical buttons for the a/c controls, but I've gotten used to it. But at least it doesn't stick up on top of the dash like you see in hondas and toyotas. Drives great and looks great, definitely a subby fan, but the Mazda seems like a good car too.
So you like your RS? I can't decide between these two cars. I do like the RS touch screen way better then the mazda 3 system. I own a 2009 mazda 3 which has been a awesome car. The RS is about 2500-3000 dollars more then the mazda 3 carbon edition. With the RS having the option package in it.
@@jacobbeebe8259 I have the base RS, which doesn't have the moon roof or the nice sound system, so I got the more affordable one.
I got a RS with option for the same price as the base rs. 28.7k. There are some subaru stories in new england selling it under msrp, and I gotta say, the car is really good. I don't regrar it at all, the car rides and handles well and you can have fun with even with the CVT. And you can add some services with the app, so you can remote start it with you phone, which is a really good feature (6 months free, after that $4,99 month), and is worth it, you get access to more stuff as well.
This is exactly the comparison I was looking for.
Go with the Impreza if you need the ability to move more stuff/people and want better safety/visibility. Also if you want more for the same $.
Go with the Mazda if you want style, speed, and refinement. You will get a better ride as a driver on the daily.
These two along with a corolla hatch are my 3 choices to get after my 2013 Impreza Sport Lim.
Impreza would be best for my camping and quite quiet and smooth driving, but it's cvt is hilarious when stepping on it and the huge tablet infotainment seems like a liability for distracted driving, along with worst mpg because it's full awd only. Cloth seating is also harder to clean.
Corolla has a physical first gear in combo with it's cvt and not awd only, so it has better 0-60 and has great mpg, along with a decent physical/touch combo in it's infotainment. Probably the easiest to clean out of the 3. Downsides is it quite cramped toward the rear seating/cargo and it's a louder ride.
Mazda is a "true" auto that gets a turbo on higher trims, decently more speedy. Physical only infotainment isn't an issue considering my 2013 imp is just a physical radio. Best highway driving. Downside is thin paint and more expensive/luxurious, wouldn't want to take it camping.
So torn, but I have time to decide since I'm still saving some more before I buy.
Crosstrek?
I looked at the Mazda 3 hatchback, (the sedan doesn't work for me as my Telescope and other astronomy gear won't fit in it) but the visibility on that car is just atrocious. I get the idea of going too near-luxury for higher margins; I just don't find it particularly interesting - I kind of like the "honesty" of the Subaru. Also it just hurts to pay north of 30k for a torsion beam suspension in 2023. At least in my use case, a wagon that can do some light offroading to get to observing/fishing sites is all I need.
Weirdly cross shopping the Integra, Impreza RS and the Prius.
I was about to say, a prius awd sounds perfect for usage, best of luck!
@@Realistick Yeah it does look great, my test drive had some annoyances with my perfect driving position also happens to almost perfectly block the pseudo-HUD 🤣 Also dealer markups are still bonkers
@@hoemuffin two downsides for sure, I want to say the markups are going away in certain regions (I think they’re gone at my dealer in town on the prius, at least their other hybrids are msrp)
Might consider a CX30. Visibility is better.
Interested to hear what you thought of the drive of the Mazda?
Excellent Review/Comparison!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great Review!!!
Thanks!
i hope the manual Impreza comes back now that it's compatible with eyesight, but I'm doubtful
Both are great daily drivers!
Both cars desperately need hybrid versions. A Mazda 3 hybrid with around 200 HP and 50 mpg would be an absolute no brainer
They'll hopefully bring the SkyActiv X powertrain to the Mazda3 for the next generation...if it even comes to the US
Here in Europe the only engine option for the Impreza is a mild hybrid.
Only awd hybrid is corolla in this class.
They don't need hybrid versions.
Hybrids mag work as a complementary addition to lineup and most likely will be economy hybrids not performance oriented ones.
I believe the mazda3 does come in a mild hybrid in Europe
I wasn’t expecting such a polarized response in the comments. I test drove both recently and came away with the opinion that they were both very good.
The Mazda feels better and I preferred the drivetrain.
The Subaru has better sight lines and I fit in it.
Much as I liked the Mazda, the roof line was way too low and there’s very little leg room in the rear. As someone who is 6’3” and frequently drives with passengers, that was a dealbreaker. I’d not enjoy being hunched over in the rear seat for more than a few minutes.
The other factor that helped the Subaru is they had a model available within a months wait. Some of the others were quoting 5 to 16 month wait times. The local Toyota dealer openly told me they weren’t taking orders anymore. People seem to be holding used inventory hoping someone will pay MSRP for a year old with 20,000 km. Hopefully things go back to normal soon.
I agree. I just test drove both and was pleased with both. Your thoughts matched up with mine. The room isn't a factor for me as I am 5'10" and hardly ever have passengers. Really enjoyed driving both cars and they each have tiny trade offs. Having trouble deciding which one to get. The plus side for the mazda was better fuel economy and a little more nimble and a touch faster. The major downside to mazda is that terrible rotary knob for entertainment screen.
@@jacobbeebe8259 if fuel economy is
a factor for you, my real world economy is 8.8 L/100 km measured at the fuel pump (the car computer reads 8.4)
I’m still happy with the Impreza but that is not poor economy for a compact car.
Hopefully it gets a better as I am only at 9,000 km.
Are there any japanese options if we want: awd, hatchbach, naturally aspirated, projecter headlamps, manual trans?
Previous gen(2023) impreza sport is close (halogen headlights)
Mk4 R32. Oh, you said Japanese.... 🌸
The Impreza RS would be my third pick after the Mazda3 and Honda Civic. Hoping to see a Mazda3 vs Civic comparison 🤞
That'll be my first priority when I get a Civic Press car, which has been tricky.
Honestly, I fought with myself quite a bit bouncing back-and-forth between a Mazda 3 and a Honda Civic. The Civic eventually won because of the usable backseat and independent rear suspension. I also got the deal I wanted on the Civic.
Mazda always makes nice premium feeling cars and SUVs. At the price points being talked about here both cars could easily be passed up for the entry level CX-5...which would absolutely be my choice. And lets be honest here...nobody really likes a CVT.
2:12 this is why i bought the Impreza RS
I've driven both these cars from my local dealers. I love the mazda exterior, interior and low end torque but you feel every bump, transmission can't pick a gear as its always hunting, CD is not good long term amd lastly, I i felt claustrophobic in the tight interior. The Subie is a jack if all trades, master of none and gets the job done for 90% of buyers.
I definitely appreciate all your tests. Great stuff! Right now I'm mulling over the idea of a Subaru Impreza RS, but based on price I'm also looking at a VW GTI DSG, as they can be had for similar money. I know the GTI would destroy the RS in terms of performance, but then there's the AWD of the Subie, likely lower maintenance costs (no expensive DSG services)...it's a tough decision. I don't know if VW and Subie consider themselves competitors, but based on price and general market segment they definitely are. I need to brave the dealerships and start doing some test driving.
If you're going auto and don't need AWD, you should look at the Acura Integra A-Spec instead of the GTI -- it's basically a Civic SI with better trim and the option for a CVT. You could even decide you don't need the A-Spec. I'd test drive both the A-Spec and the base Integra (dunno how close you can get to MSRP but its MSRP is $32k pre-destination and all that).
"nicotine addiction" lol
haha bro that's hilarious, can I charge my vape real quick? Where's your charger? Please.
The moral of the story is, that those cars were designed for a two different demogrhaphics of people. Subaru impreza was more designed for a 25-30 year old family man that has kids and wants to get out outside once in a while, while mazda 3 for designed for adults in there 25-30s that are still trying to figure out life lol.
There's no comparison. Mazda 3 is way better than the Impreza both on the exterior and interior.
While the CVT in my wife's Forester XT does accelerate very smoothly, and I invite people to actually try it out before dumping on it... for me, Subaru is either go manual transmission or bust if the other only choice is CVT.
Agreed, i'd still consider the Crosstrek/Forester/Outback, but the CVT does damage to any fun proposition. Killing it in the Impreza was especially unfortunate as the car has some life in it now after the redesign/refresh
I will never understand this line of thought... CVT is faster than the 6-spd auto, smoother than the 6-spd auto, yet somehow less fun. If you can acknowledge that a steady engine note means the engine is at its optimum power band, and the CVT is doing the adjusting to best use that power... Vs the engine having to go in and out of its power band to adjust for the set-gear transmission, which is less quick and less efficient... We might finally get past the CVT-sucks nonsense.
@@minnybiker4505 I see, I can try to explain my take then. For a car that is to be used as an appliance, it makes perfect sense. Which is why I don’t have beef with them. I just wouldn’t consider it in a car built to entertain. Not just because of the drone under acceleration but because of how they respond. A gear has a linear feeling. When the torque converter locks up, there’s a direct connection between the throttle and your acceleration. Enthusiasts love that feeling, therefore, most don’t like CVTs. Like most things, they have a purpose, being fun just isn’t one.
@@Brian_Eugene_Lee my 2021 forester had to have the cvt replaced at 17000 miles. Sold it for a 2023 Honda civic, and that cvt is WAY better than Subarus. But I’m also not a fan of Mazdas auto. Test drove one and it felt awful. As a matter of fact they are having issues with it in the cx50.
@@minnybiker4505 look at the 0-60 times for each and the 6 speed is faster. Subaru makes a great cvt, but it is still slower.
I have the brand new RS... and it's slow as s***. Race car level insurance too. You only get this one if you like the way the impreza looks. If you save an extra 1 to 2 thousand you can probably finance a WRX instead.
If impreza had leather seats it would look way better
Two cars I am considering buying, this year. The Mazda3 might be a 'No', I don't trust that cylinder deactivation.
A valid concern, though the mazda service member I've spoken with has helped point out many issues with different models, but CD was not one of them. There were some refinement issues early on but they've had much better luck with it than GM or Honda!
Turn it off.
@@johnnybravo5044 from what I understand, you can't. Maybe I'm wrong
you do know the cylinder deactivation doesn't deactivate the same cylinders all the time. it switches between 2 outer or 2 inner every other cycle....neat
@@K03sport Yes, I know that. Doesn't change the fact that some engines with cylinder deactivation develop problems.
If you need 4 wheel drive and don't want a higher end model Mazda, every cx-30 has it.
That's a good point, I do wish they still offered it on more mazda3s but the CX-30 doesn't even cost much more than a fwd mazda3!
That's because its built in Mexico (with the engine still built in Japan).@Realistick
@@amo757this! All Mazda 3s are fully built in Japan. I love 23 turbo HB. Every time I drive it I get in and think man I love this car. It’s honestly an awesome vehicle. There’s a couple small things I don’t love. But it’s things like cup holders
Hungry for some granola and some Zoom-Zoom... calls... Zoom calls. Its a workday right now.
superior AWD... yeaaaah but if you don't have snow, who cares.
Great comparison: love the styling of the Mazda/ but i need pragmatic & $$ saving usefulness. Subaru is the one for me 👍🏻
I Love the Red interior, but Mazda needs to add more red on the interior so it flows better. Right now it looks like everything was Gloomy Grey and they threw in Red seats.
It does look much better in all red, oddly enough, they'll do that on the Premium Plus Turbo and maybe the Premium MT model (I'd check the builder to confirm that)
I agree. the red seats are nice but putting in more of it would look better.
I hear repeatedly about people lamenting the loss of the manual transmission. Truthfully only full on car enthusiasts give a single F about manuals. 99% of folks want some kind of automatic, and they are right to. Its not 1960, automatics are not unreliable and inefficient now.
I drove a mazda 3 and it was really lacking. The visibility out of the windshield was horrible and its awd system was not up to oar with subaru. The impreza rs awd is hands down better. The impreza is just a economical car so its not fast or anything special but i felt for the price it had more to offer at a better price point. The lighting is hands down better on subaru with the SRH. Also i do like the look of the hatch. Impreza>mazda 3
You sound like you have no frame of reference whatsoever and youre simply a subaru fanboy.
@silversteele6624 lmao because I have a different opinion than yours that makes me a fanboy lmao. Gtfoh dude. Do better. You didn't even argue any of the points I made you just attacked my character which let's me know that you are just salty someone doesn't agree with your views.
@silversteele6624 lol so you don't argue any points against what I said but you attack my character because you don't agree with what I said. Lol okay buddy. You made yourself look like the fanboy.
@@ranran2218 "hands down better". The phrase u used multiple times. This is not based on any factual reference but merely your opinion, because neither of the features you mentioned are hands down better on the subaru. If I were to ask you what car you drive I guarantee you would say Subaru. Am I wrong? Be honest. And I never attacked your character. I said you sound like a Subaru fanboy and based on your bs assessment of these cars thats how you come across. What mazda specifically did you drive? Id like to know. And I never claimed to like or prefer either of these cars over the other so Id like for you to explain how Im the fanboy? Dont worry Ill wait.
@@silversteele6624”crickets” 😂😂
Personally I think Mazda really needs more exciting colors for the Mazda 3 instead of the three different shades of beige and sand that they've introduced as new colors. The Mazda 3 would look SO good in a bright blue color like the Impreza's Oasis Blue. The Mazda 3 is supposed to target young people but the color choice is quite geriatric.
They have the carbon edition... Its beautiful
Visually, the Subaru has a TON more character.
The Mazda is so much nicer, it’s not even fair
2:30 - "Imaginary women in my life" ...hah, how many?
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can we just agree that the Mazda is borderline stunning whereas the Subaru looks like a pile of chewing gum underneath a desk?
Subaru has really lost their way, I will never own a CVT.
Subaru has more room for camera gear
Mazda 0% APR, enough said.
I enjoyed the moment he says the 2.5L is slow with a 0-60 of 8.2 seconds, and then glosses over the Mazda time, which is slower. People still just can't handle the monotone engine note of a CVT acceleration run, even if it's faster and more efficient. I think that's silly.
interestingly enough, he also complained about the Mazda 6-speed transmission, as often not being in the correct ratio... something the Subaru CVT solves. (And it's faster).
Anyway... if you can't tell, I'm just annoyed by the fact that people hate on CVTs because of the audible experience, and not their actual performance results.
WOT the CVT drones, while being quicker, but how much of the time do you drive with WOT? I’ve found the powertrain in the RS to be very smooth and responsive- never notice the CVT (my first) other than it does exactly as I expect it to. My other car is a bugeyes WRX wagon and the RS is a fun, über comfortable and practical daily driver. Mazda 3 is too small for me with limited visibility but it’s a great compact.
I didn’t complain about it being slow at any point… I said it disappoints because of power delivery. I replied to you on a previous comment in more detail but it’s not just the noise. An automatic can lock the torque converter onto a gear, which results in a direct response from the throttle. Enthusiasts like that and assists in a car feeling “linear.” As a basic commuter, a cvt is great and you won’t hear me complain. In a car marketed as fun, and when compared alongside a mazda3, it’s a drawback.
@@Realistick I agree that the Mazda 3 is the “funner” drive with the more responsive transmission in certain applications, also has a nicer interior, but for 90% of my driving - very urban with some long road trips thrown in, the RS is the superior choice. Also nice that I got it loaded for 10% off MSRP. Besides, I’ve got the very connected WRX for my canyon carving runs. Great review as usual Tyler. Happy New Year!
@@tpolerex7282 all about how you plan on using it, congrats and thank you! Happy new year to you as well!
The turbo maz 3 has a 5.9 sec 0-60 time
Man does that Subaru's acceleration sound like sh1t!! I wanted a Subby real bad. I don't want the WRX, and I want manual........So no Subby it is.
That CVT drone is 😂. Mazda 3 hands down. Not sure if people are aware they make something called 'winter tires' that would be cheaper than awd cost up front and long-term maintenance and for the Subie diehards save you from the CVT drone😅
It depends on how much you drive, I don't think the tires are cheaper than the fluid swaps every once in a while. Winter tires are a must have for certain environments but they're overkill in a lot of places too. I think the Mazda3 AWD is the best compromise. 6 speed at, and awd for the select times you need it!
Mazda 3 is also awd. But gets better MPG because mazdas set up causes less power train loss even with it being full time awd.
An RS without a manual transmission...hmm... yeah, that's not an RS. Sorry, not sorry. #savethemanuals
The new WRX is ugly as can be. The rear end especially. Mazda wins on looks for sure.
This is barely even a comparison. The Mazda is far, FAR superior to the Subaru in every single aspect other than the all-wheel drive system.
Mazda for me, hands down. There's no comparison.
I'm team mazda too but it's hard to deny the versatility and rough road comfort of the subie. It's also better to drive than it previously was too!
I have owned three Mazdas including a 3 and CX 30 and I would never buy a CVT, but the Subaru does have more interior space.
I respect your preference but dude... let's be more objective. The Mazda has the worst visibility of any modern hatchback, its rear end is a torsion beam suspension, and its backseat is not built for adults. Someone who knows a lot about cars would not agree this is "barely a comparison."
@@coconut_bliss5539 torsion beam not, the Mazda out handles the Subaru. The rear seat is tighter, that is true. It will absolutely fit adults, just not tall ones. If a rear facing child seat can fit (it can), an adult can fit.
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The Subaru’s symmetrical AWD system is superior, but the CVT is a Horrible transmission
You said it perfectly. Subaru AWD is way better but the cvt isn't great. The mazda AWD is very acceptable and still gets the job done. Both very comparable vehicles. Glad for the comparison. The comparison was very good.
Mazda beats Subaru in reliability and power. It also has a real automatic and has a better interior. Subaru fanboys keep whining about the Impreza having more room, which is true, but if space is so important then you probably shouldn't be looking at a compact car to begin with.
Subaru all the way.
Subaru Legacy is better value for money than both.
A much better value for sure, but I think there's more to the Impreza and the Mazda3 than that. I'd probably go turbo mazda3 out of the three!
The Legacy is truly slow with the base 2.5 engine and Subaru has yet to prove that it can build a reliable turbo.
Impreza RS has the same engine.@@0HOON0
@@0HOON0Not true at all.