Future of Honolulu's rail system. How far will it stretch?
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- When Honolulu's rail system was first pitched nearly 20 years ago, it was supposed to be a lot longer, and a lot cheaper, serving West Kapolei and the University of Hawaii. So will it ever stretch that far?
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If the rail does not reach Waikiki, it will never pay for itself. I rode it yesterday, was nice... But, $273,000 maintenance per day is a joke($100 million). As it stands, there is no way 30,000 plus will be riding it. The only thing our leaders should be focusing on is how soon can we get the rail to connect to Waikiki as it was intended. Heck, we were promised it would also reach the university. Mr. Mayor, please ditch the $600 million dollar wall around the Ala Wai canal and put your efforts towards finishing this project and connecting our two big cities. Do what's right and check the math on the maintenance costs as well. Thanks
Seems like it would've made the most sense to focus from the start on connecting the airport to Ala Moana and Waikiki. As of now, 20 years later, still initializing construction in Kalihi and not even planned to get to Ala Moana.
@davec3651 our leaders can still make the choice to do what was planned and right. Connect our two big cities and our university. Everyone wins then. Currently, it seems connecting the Ewa and our bases was the goal.
@@kevinhuddleston6438 “The Ala Moana station for Honolulu's rail line will be built on Kona Street between Piikoi and Konaiki streets.
But to eventually get to the University of Hawaii, the preferred route takes the rail line east on Kona Street with a mauka turn near Atkinson Drive to connect to Kapiolani Boulevard.
But the rail agency is now warning officials that the train won't be able to fit through that corridor.
"There's been recent developments, real estate developments in the Ala Moana area, which essentially block any future extension of the route," Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Executive Director and CEO Andrew Robbins said.
On Friday, Robbins showed the rail board how the 45-story condo being built at 1631 Kapiolani and a 36-story tower planned near the Convention Center cut off the Kona street access to Kapiolani.” hawaiinewsnow 11/18/2017
I agree, they should've started the rail from the east side UH or Wakiki or even Ala Moana side and ridership would've been way better than this weeks first operation. Ridership would include mostly tourist to help pay the the daily maintenance than bleeding money everyday that don't ride it. Waste money. I'm in downtown and why would I go ride it when it's not in area.
The rail should replace Ala Wai boulevard. That's the only route to there specifically and beyond that would cause the least disruption, and the rail should be extended further to Koko head. A loop should be created to connect Kāne'ohe, Kailua, and Honolulu. And to the west, it should extend out to Mākaha
I moved from Hawai‘i over 10 years ago when they first broke ground for the rail, visited a few years ago and saw the progress being made, I’m excited to visit again one day when the rail is finished, anyone who understands the population distribution of southern O‘ahu will understand the potential this project has, no one will doubt its benefits when it is completed from West Kapolei to Downtown Honolulu
My first interest in Honolulu HART light rail was in 2004 after a decade of studies on municipal transit system design. The main point I made then and today is the importance of how bus routes integrate with rail. Reliably convenient transfers from light rail to buses and between bus lines is key to transit patronage overall. To achieve this main goal and other important objectives, I devised a simple bus system dubbed a "LOTi" (Loop Oriented Transit Intermodal) that uses the least number of buses on short routes of a mile or so (a circulating Loop) to provide a 2 to 5 minute wait period to transfer.
Designing a LOTi circulator to serve a light rail station can reduce the number of bus routes there from (8 to 12) that run at 15-minute intervals, to (1 or 2) convenient transfer LOTi circulators. Peripheral bus lines need only cross the LOTi circulator and effect a convenient transfer at those points too. In effect, 2 convenient transfers make a better transit system than 1 inconvenient transfer.
LOTi systems can significantly reduce costs and increase development potential. Parking can be located along a LOTi and serve parking purposes other than access to rail stations. Adding a LOTi increases rail route options that reduce objectionable impacts. Lastly, I must warn that standard 40' buses do not convert to electric very well nor are they suitable for stop-n-go circuitous routes. Neither do Yellow School Bus nor paratransit lift-van fleets which should be easy boarding low-floor models that seniors, disabled and all transit patrons need. Painted dark blue, obsolete Yellow school buses make suitable prisoner transport and road crew rigs. So, if they're good enough for criminals, they're good enough for school kids? Is that what GM & Ford heads think?
You are absolutely insane
Might as well finish the whole thing! Just tax the super rich, and all those corporations!
Each time Ms. Sabas says "right " , makes me want to say "no". And she uses that word more so getting to the end of the story. And it doesn't feel like a win when, essentially, the rail is only able to service the middle of Oahu. At least, the Kapolei end should have been started closer to Kapolei Commons instead of in the middle of nowhere.
Over 30 years already! Now I hear 2031 for town side! Auwe! It is disappointing that it doesn't even touch the town side right now! Rail leading to the Airport would Help Local Residents who live and work on Oahu. It would also Impress the Tourists who visit our islands to ride rail while on Oahu but to where? Along Nimitz, a teaser, we see they are still building infrastructure to support rails journey to Iwilei. Huge Delay of the end goal of rail: to get people to Honolulu and back to the west side with clean energy. It is good that rail opened, but you still need to transfer from the stadium to the bus if you need to get to and from Honolulu. Where did the money go?
Crooked politicians in office went pocket most of the money,,and got 64% raise.
One of the big deciding factors on the routes was avaliable land for development next to stations. Routes that did not offer much in that regard were quickly shot down.
Simply just tear down H1 and replace it with a rail line. Traffic will also be torn down with it and freight will have to be transported by rail. The infrastructure is already there and would supplement the current rail line. It can also have express services that can be twice the speed as the current rail line - at 110+ MPH.
Don't say "i can't get anywhere without h1!" because you can get anywhere still with public transport like rail - Skyline or GroundLine
maybe they should build the rail line to replace H1 before we tear it down@@Planettransit
Explain how traffic will disappear if the h1 gets torn down. I used to be a transit diehard until i realized how unreliable public transit is. Our public transit is already better than most cities yet its not very reliable. My workplace should only be a 10-15 minute drive yet I have to take 2 buses because they cut my bus route for rail. I have to leave my home at least an hour before my shift and time adds up. The Rail itself is poorly planned and isnt as good as they advertise. Express buses would generally be faster anyways. I only take the bus because I'm too poor to drive.
Can they explain the huge crack that they repaired think before riding that garbage
It's not going to the waianae coast, Nanakuli to makaha. The real westside, kapolei is not the westside it south west. Honolulu is sky high taxes, number in the United States hanabusa. Tax the poor, so the wealthy people like yourself hanabusa don't have to struggle. No island values, lost the island roots.
Hanabusa is rich
Yes she is, and she part of the swamp in Washington DC, and she is corrupted herself
Kapolei is the beginning of the ws cope.
Its not the westside period, westside only get 2 high schools Nanakuli and waianae, get your facts straight. If not from the waianae coast, born and raised you don't know what you talking about.
Even if it did stretch to Wai'anae, wouldn't ride or patronize that POS!. Boycott at all costs wessyders!
😂🤣😹 let's keep taxing the general populace since the politicians will be exempt anyway
Rail was not built on the tax of the general population, that has been the biggest myth the whole time. It was HIGET and Room Tax to Visitors
You mean the guys who recently gave themselves a 64% pay raise?
What a waste, should've started from UH/Ala Moana and ridership would've been better than the first week of service.
No. No more taxes. This project was an absolute failure and the state has been norhing more than absolutely incompetent and corrupt when it comes to the rails construction.
Accept our expensive garbage, peasants-C&C
YOUR KIDS LEAVING FOLKS, HAWAII IS NOT SPECIAL.
The rusty rail will fail.
Well it will until 2031 when the downtown section (the useful section) hopefully opens
@@CreatorPolar It took government idiots 25 years to build a freeway in an empty valley.
@@CreatorPolar The kapolei to stadium leg was seven years late. It was supposed to open in 2016.
2006 - kapolei to manoa, 26 miles, $2.5 billion. Manoa is the home of the Univeristy of Hawaii’s main campus, the largest single source of traffic on Oahu
2007 - Kapolei to ala moana, 20 miles, $3.7 billion
2012 - Kapolei to ala moana, 20 miles, $5.12 billion, completed 1/31/2020
2021 - Kapolei to ala moana, 20 miles, $12.45 billion, completed 2031
2022 - kapolei to “civic center”, 18.9 miles, $10 billion, completed 2031
The final four miles was put out to bid several years ago. $1.4 billion was budgeted but the bids came in at $2.73 billion and $2.775 billion.
These people clearly do not know what they are doing.
A complete joke smh
If you're complaining don't ride it. Go get the bus or ride your car. I am hoping it will go from Makaha to Waimanalo.
keep hoping. If they finish to “civic center” it will be $525 million per mile, if they finish to Ala moana it will be $565 million a mile. An extra 16 miles to Makaha would be another $9 billion or so at that rate, while the extra 17 miles to Waimanalo would be another $9.6 billion, total system cost right around $30 billion on an island with less than 1 million people.
just tax the people on the Main Land@@gsn794
keep dreaming
No more tax payers money thrown at this . BILLIONS already, to ride to nowhere.
The rail is a big mistake. Nobody is going to use it . That was such a waste of money! What’s going to happen is there will be more and more house build in Pearl city and Ewa area so that more people can move here in hopes that the freeways get so overcrowded that people will be forced to use the rail. So much for preserving this Hawaiian island. I feel whomevers bright idea it was to build the rail realized it by now that they f…..up. Now there only option is to try and force people to use it. Just watch how much more subdivision and schools will be built. Again not a good idea. would of been better to use all that cement that was used to build the rail to fix our roads at least. Would last longer then the asphalt. Even if the rail was free to ride I still wouldn’t use it. Think about it, you are going to drive to the rail find a parking then ride it. That’s not to smart! Just drive to your destination. Oh that’s right build more homes so people move here. I know Let’s pay the immigrants to move here and offer anyone from the other states to move here and give them a monthly allowance. Well that’s what the state of Hawai’i has been doing for the past few years. Don’t believe look into it. The people that is running this state is going to run it into the ground and our kids will suffer because of it.
I use it
I use it!
currently studies have shown that 3200 people use it everyday -- and growing
THE QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY DECADES TILL FINISHED 👎👎🍌👎👎