Release Day VS Hindsight: Computer Injustice
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2024
- You think you're so smart, with your hindsight and stuff. Well, go buy some shares in what you think will be successful in 5 years' time. Go on, go buy up all those shares. All your money, right where your mouth is. Do it.
The laptop thing would have been 2003ish. £700 for a laptop with a Celeron 1.6 Ghz and Radeon 9700... when about 4 days after, a £700 Turion (Or at least a non-rubbish AMD CPU of some kind) and X600, seen on one of those bright yellow pages from the TINY rebrand that used to pop up in the middle of PC magazines. Ouch.
Lesson learned: buy new tech when it comes out, and NOT 6 months after it's been lingering around the same price - Věda a technologie
This video is so cleverly done. I initially thought, "that broken branch looks fun, i want to join". At the end, "That branch is dangerous, that guy is an idiot." Power of hindsight.
philip is an artist
Also explains the evil trees in his other videos
@@emanuelbalahur6037 He is legitimately very talented
I knew it was dangerous but didn't know what would happen. It's one of those things where I'm overly cautious - I miss out on lessons like this because I avoid the situation entirely, which also means I miss out on any benefit.
Phillip always manages to hit the bittersweet note perfectly
I feel like Philip understands *reality* very well. It's not always bitter, it's not always sweet. It's bittersweet as you've said
The universe does not want to stop hammering it in how foolish i was to upgrade from a 1080ti. First the recent gamersnexus video and now this
Two things can be true, the 1080 ti can be a great card and yet still, for a lot of people it makes sense to upgrade
what did you upgrade to?
I mean yes the 1080ti is still a great card and I still use it. But if you upgraded, you currently still have more performance than you did before so enjoy it.
People who built 8700k + 1080 Ti rigs back then hit it big.
@@fusionmotiontm 3080ti
Hindsight is 20/20.
Greatest outro YET.
That was COVID
@@ZeZeBatata69 When someone says "hindsight is 20/20" it's a reference to how a person's distance acuity is measured. If you have 20/20 sight then that means you can make out small details in the distance without corrective glasses. This saying works because it's obvious what the right/wrong choices were in hindsight therefore making it "20/20".
@@electricindigoball1244 He might also be refering to the fact that philip has used that line multiple times in the past, espically in similar videos around covid regarding the price hike, saying that the line was from COVID
@@checkenginelight6681 The saying existed for decades so it's not like Philip invented it. I also suspect there might be a lot of people who weren't aware of it before 2020 and may think that it's new especially if they never saw how its written.
It's insane that those who bought say a Ryzen 1600x with B350/X370 chipset back in 2017 can drop in a 5600x or even a 5700x3d/5800x3d in the same motherboard if they are lucky. "Oh no my 1600x is so old and look at that 5800x3d performance... oh wait i'll just toss that fucker in *wroom wroom*".
I'm someone who's paranoid of component failure. Even with warranty it is annoying to rip your component off, buy packaging materials to send it and then wait for a week or more to get a replacement, all the while you twiddle your thumbs at home.
This is the primary reason why i upgrade my components every 3-5 years, even if i could get away with more. While also keeping the previous one as a backup. Having slightly worse FPS in games or not saving a hundred bucks over 5 years have much less of an impact on my quality of life, than being without a computer for weeks on end would.
@@DruidEnjoyer Who knows someone might purchase that old computer of you, seeing oh that motherboard "Brand X370" can run a 5800x3d after a bios upgrade. Or once you have a new computer you can upgrade the old one and send it off to a younger family member ect. All cool stuff.
my problem with am4 is that you're at the mercy of your motherboard manufacturer to provide bios updates to support the new CPUs. as cool as the x3d cpus are i can't use anything past the ryzen 6 1600....
Stoped slacking to comment on other people video huh
In 2018 my sister needed something faster than her C2Q Q9500 so I helped her build a B350 system with a Ryzen 3 1200 and for GPU a GTX 1050 from her previous PC. Last year she upgraded to a Ryzen 5 5600, 32GB RAM and RTX 3060 12GB on the same B350 board.
Sandy Bridge was such a good architecture, retired my 2600K in 2020 and it is still fulfilling my friend's occasional gaming needs.
Same, I jumped from an i7-2600 to a Ryzen 3800X, saw no reason to upgrade in-between.
I still have an i7 3610QM, nothing it can't do. Rest of the laptop falling apart around it :(
Amd was drunk driving with the fx series and crashed into a pole so intel fell asleep at the wheel for a decade until they got shit in order
Yeah, my i7-2600 has done me well for 8-9 years and only just recently I have upgraded to an i7-13700K
I was planning on holding out all the way until alder lake to upgrade my 2600k but my PSU blew and happened to take the CPU with it and spared the motherboard. So I ended up with a 10700k. Used the old motherboard to make a smaller PC out of it with a secondhand 2500k.
The script for this video, and the philosiphy os just top teir. immediately into my favourites list.
Thanks! AI generation has come on a long way
@@2kliksphilip Even if this was ai generated, the video wouldnt be this good without your input.
Yeah I kid there's no AI in this video except the laptop in the thumbnail
@@2kliksphilip I was worried that i couldnt tell the difference between an ai script and yours for second. Thought maybe you did an experiment to see whod notice and that i failed.
Made me realise how scary it is to think eventually ai would probably be indistinguable to me in the future.
In our Serbian mythology, there is a story about a emperor who came to the "Dark Vilayet":
It is told how a certain emperor, having come with an army to the end of the world, went to a dark villaet, where nothing can ever be seen, not knowing how he would return, he left the mares' foals there so that the mares could bring them out of that eclipse. When they entered the dark vilayet and walked through it, they felt some kind of small stones under their feet, and something called out from the darkness: "Whoever takes these stones will regret it, if he doesn't, he will regret it." Some say: "If I regret, why should I wear it?" and some: "Give me at least one to take with me." When they returned from the darkness to the world, and those were all precious stones; then those who didn't take it, start regretting that they didn't, and those who did take it, regret it because they didn't take more.
1:04 Whatever you do, you'll regret it.
Feels almost like a kliksphilip video.
which is a good thing
@@plebisMaximus Yes, yes it is.
I think it's because it has old VHS and childhood stuff but the overall theme is about tech
Yeah he totally ripped him off.
wish i could have gotten here sooner
Better to wait in this case I feel.
him having so many PC parts..
Part Master
💨
Your passion oozes through each video, every time I see a new one it’s the first thing I’ll klik on. Thank you so much for the entertainment
A nice story video. I miss having fun before computers.
4:52 "seller on" instead of "Celeron" in subtitles.
Thank you for subtitles!
Thank you for subtleties
Because they are likely AI generated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@luizzeroxis what!!!!!!!!!!!!! no!!!!!!!!!!!!! damn!!!!!!!!!!!!! shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God, 2kliksphilip was a teenager on caravan based holidays in 2006. He is literally me.
That flipped expression is so cursed
lmao you actually got hit by the tree at the end
nature took revenge
If no one bought the 1000 ryzen we wouldn't be here and probably have no AMD at all since they were almost broke.
So they are good for that reason
When I bought mine 1500X I knew I probably did not get the best bang for buck, but the upgradebility sold me
Of course I still use it in my PC, cause it works fine... for most applications
@@karolrafalski3419how did you know about upgradability when it was a brand new platform? Back then noone knew it would support 5 gens of processors
I built an unraid server with a 1600 in 2017. I'm doing my part!
they said something like 4 gens or years
@@derAtze Because AMD made a commitment at CES 2017 to support AM4 through 2020. People remembered that promise and that's why when they tried to not support Zen 3 CPUs on 300 and 400-series motherboards in 2020 it sparked a massive backlash which caused them to reverse course.
Out of topic, but the new "crossing those islands" always sounded amazing. It sounded fitting to anything, especially CS videos
Legend, been following you for such a long time!
I was not expecting such a philosophical journey as soon as I woke up
Better ending to the tree saga than I expected. 5/5
The cure to buyers remorse is using your stuff! I bought a massively overpriced 6950XT during the crypto boom but I've been using it for almost 2 years now and it will hopefully last me until this fall when new GPUs come out (allegedly). The difference between buying something for 800$ and 1100$ becomes neglegable when divided by 2,3 or in some cases 5 years of usage. You never know when any given market will hit a top or a bottom, especially when it comes to PC hardware, so might as well buy what you can afford now and just use your stuff.
Playing Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow on my 1080 with 1080p resolution streaming it via moonlight to my Hacked v1 switch. Life is beautiful here.
In the middle of the video I already thought: isn't that a bit big for a tree to play with for children? Trees are so unpredictable when they are breaking because we underestimate the powers at work: the weights, the forces, the tension.
Nice video. I'm not following the hardware market regularly but like to check it every few years and build a PC every once in awhile. So this gave me a great way to look at these dreadful decisions to make.
And I had the exact same feeling when I got my first PC, a prebuilt 166 MHz, with a 266 MHz CPU hitting the market weeks later. It was the last prebuilt machine I ever purchased.
Your archive footage and pics is so cool to see. Wish my parents had let me put a PC in the caravan in Anglesy!
who tf made that many videos of your life… amazing … i love you guy. Greetings from germany
I love your perspective on things :)
i used to always want the newest and best thing, and now here i am with a 1080ti so many years on and it's still just perfect for what i need
despite my best efforts, I cannot get my wifes 11 year old boys to GO OUTSIDE AND TOUCH GRASS!! they will do everything in their power to play ball inside, run around inside, play sports INSIDE. It has become ridiculous.
i love all those videos
my 970 lasted me for 9 years. I only just upgraded a few months ago to a 4070. Do love this current card its a beast, but that 970 hold fond memories of times past and still have many more years left in it.
The laptop story is so great you can still feel the trauma to this day
These videos are gold thanks for sharing
I'm still running an i7 6700k and I upgraded from a GTX 970 to RTX 3090. I'm a very simple person. Only when something becomes a bottleneck for a very specific thing I want to play do I upgrade, no reason to buy something if I don't use it immediately in the moment. I bought the GTX 970 for Witcher 3. I bought the RTX 3090 for Cyberpunk 2077. I don't need to upgrade my CPU for any games so I simply didn't.
I'm also still on a 1080p 60hz LCD monitor and most likely will stay that way because I don't know what I'm missing if I never experienced it.
There's also this very weird glee of finally upgrading after 5-10 years and seeing the monstrous jump in power your system has. Although it's not the same as in the late 90s/early 2000s where you would go back to all the games you play and crank it up to their ridiculous ultra settings and see how well it runs on your new rig.
The 1080ti was a very good card, but i think that the 2080 was arguably a better aging card. With performance parallel to the 1080ti, but access to DLSS, and ray tracing, although admittedly RT on the 2000 series was pretty poor it still enabled me to mess about with it a little. Honestly i think access to DLSS alone is worth the extra ~£100 i paid for it at the time over a 1080ti, since it gives it so much more longevity.
The issue with the RTX 2080 is that it only has 8GB of VRAM compared to the 1080 Ti's 11GB. Having more VRAM could potentially allow you to play at the same settings at your monitor's native resolution instead of depending on DLSS.
DLSS wasn't always useable and it's avalibility in games wasn't as good as it is now, it's also only a 8gb card which is still enough for that level of performance but 11gb has aged better
Hard disagree. The price here in Australia for the 2080 was around $1500 when the $1080ti was $1200. 20% more for less vram was not ideal
@@electricindigoball1244 i mean, i was never VRAM limited with the 2080 (1440p), and there’s more to a GPU than VRAM. The 2080 has enough VRAM relative to its performance to be completely fine.
@@yahyasajid5113 it doesn’t matter that DLSS wasn’t always useable, the point is that it is now, and the ability to use DLSS is a massive advantage, especially in maintaining longevity in your card. And as you said the 8GB is enough for the 2080’s level of performance.
Long live the saitek keyboards shown at 0:39!!! I used one of those for so long, Phil I would love to hear your thoughts on that legendary keyboard
Same!
So this is how it all began, I understand now his distrusts with trees and why theyre always potrayed as the bad guy in his tutorials. Unfair really, he did attack the tree first.
You made that purchase 20 years ago. The same happened with me 1 year ago. It's painful to think that the research was worthless
0:53 Bless you!
Great video, as always.
This man is a master of outros
I've been with my 1050TI since 2017 and im still fine with how it manages to run things still, and i work with video game graphics! What actually bottlenecks my computer is my CPU from 2012 XD So it could be even better... One example i have is that i run Metro Exodus on High - +50fps, i've played through the whole game thrice like this.
Other examples i have is that Battlefield 1 and V on High run perfectly smoothly on fullHD+ (16:10), pretty crazy (Cs2 runs at a peak of 60, but usually stays around 50-40 ) I have 16 RAM at least
Never selling my shares means never facing my failure
As someone who bought an R5 1600, I've had the experience to see that it has aged better than any processor before it. The 2500k lasted so long because significantly better things were slow to arrive. The R5 1600 however? Still goes along giving decent performance, and only doesn't hold up because things getting so much better pushed our standards higher. When I upgraded from my 4670k it's because it was clearly failing to hit my standards. When I upgraded from the 1600 it was still comfortably hitting those standards, but I had the spare money to enjoy more.
Commenting to try and boost interactions or views or whatever. Keep up the good work Philip!
Me being very disappointed in my gaming laptop that I did MANY hours of research on (and still ended up with a not very good one) is why I got MORE into PC gaming, and starting learning about PC building. I built a new computer for myself just a few years later. That's the good timeline, to me!
Every time I buy a new laptop, Linus Tech Tip releases a new video with new better laptops. Every. Single. Time.
despite the fact that we are still in a constant cycle of artificial dissatisfaction created by companies i enjoy that computers are basically good enough now and I don't really need a better one until mine breaks.
I can't be the only one who cried.
Awesome video. A mix of sentimentality with tech.
Here an equivalent of $770 of 2016 money for 1080 seemed insane, now, "thanks" to many things, this is the price of a bare-minimum 3060
that's rough. it's 279 euros in austria. that's about 303 dollars.
Screw the 1080ti, hell even the 6GB 1060 is still good, and I'm proudly running it and it proudly refuses to die.
Same, 90% of the games I play tends to be more cpu bound than gpu so my 1060 never goes above 60% usage. PoE being an exception.
Imagine yourself in 10 years, sobbing over not getting a 4090 before price when even higher ...
What a fantastic video
This applies to video games, too. Not many people I know remember how bad CS:GO or CS:S were on release, they just remember how bad CS2 is currently and how good CS:GO was just before CS2's release. I didn't play CS:GO on launch so I can't possibly remember how bad it was on launch, which only sours my perspective of the newest game further.
As someone who had a first gen Ryzen, I absolutely do not regret my purchase, and although some might think it looks bad today, I think anyone who's actually used one would disagree. After I was done with it, it got retired into a PC I gave to my friend, which lasted him a few more years, at which point it was retired again into a server. I think that server has since gotten an upgrade, but those first gen Ryzens were amazing value propositions.
Just in time when I'm decided on buying a new cellphone after 8 years. Nice!
4:53 i don’t really care about the topic but still your vid is so entertaining wow keep it up
Profound video.
6600 taught me that you can still game on a p budget rig without spending all your savings just to have fun
Personally, I've always followed a rule of 'buying things': if I just bought something, stop checking prices and new versions/models right after and simply enjoy what you've bought.
Exceptions are: I bought a really bad product; a place holder one; product model I got isn't capable of doing something I need/expected
Other than that, you'll most likely feel shit and disapointed with what you've just gotten
I feel like im going insane every time I go shopping for a laptop. I doing it right now and there are just so many choices and deals that I feel like are hiding from me.
the 1600 af was a beast of a 85 dollar cpu.. man it was good.
I'm not sure if this video makes me wanna research less or more before building a PC.
love the vid (:
I wouldn't mind a "futureproofing" guide for identifying paradigm-shifting trends.
I did Ryzen 1600-3600x-5600x and honestly this has been a great experience, with a Titan Xp i got for cheap right before the crypto boom, like it is starting to be a little slower in games but i don't really play super demanding stuff anymore so it's great for my uses.
I remember I got my first laptop, I had to do a thing where I renamed command prompt to the sticky key popup so I could remove parental controls ha. I too was a bit dissapointed, but in a different way, all my friends got competent gaming machines, while I was stuck on integrated graphics for the next 5 years! The freedom of your own machine was great though.
After a bit too many instances of "spend a bunch of money for an improvement I don't really notice or care about" these days I've accepted that the newest games I play are a decade old or easy to run, so I got a beefy used gaming laptop, sold my desktop, and called it a day. It's quite freeing playing games in bed!
reminds me of the scene from "The Platform" with the samurai max and samurai max plus
This video is just the thing I needed. I'm in the market for both a new phone, and a new graphics card. I've been struggling to decide whether to get the pixel 7a, because a new pixel 8a could release the month I get it. But it means I'd be without a phone for a month, if I do wait. I think I'd almost certainly regret getting the 7a, but I don't want to be wrong on the 8a release window and I'd probably think the 8A was a bad decision with hindsight when the next thing releases.
Also, the section on the ryzen 1600 was perfect. Coming from somebody who still uses one. Though I've never felt regret for having gotten it, but I've never been particularly enthused by it either.
Problem with Pixels is that the 8's have a much longer life than the 7's, AND the AI features, so it feels like getting a 7 or less is going to age far worse.
This video is brilliantly poetic
I remember those days of Moore's law. I didn't feel fomo as long as I could oc I could feel fast.
Given their prices, first gen Ryzen still serves a certain segment of the market very well: People who need high multi-core performance for relatively cheap. If modern 8-cores are too expensive, they still offer great value to content creators.
Going from core 2 duo e8400 to i5 9400f did wonders
Thanks, I’ll be buying a 5090 the moment they come out now 👍🏻
northwood celery was hell, wolfdale core 2 aged like milk, ivy bridge e i7 was godsend
I had a 1700 with a 1080ti, and with hindsight I'm happy with those. The 1080ti being in service to this day on my B rig.
Great video as always. I think people who don't know or don't care about the newer, shinier thing are blessed in a sort of way. I'm running a Ryzen 7 5700x and just gave my old Ryzen 5 1600x to a friend of mine who upgraded from LITERALLY A FIRST GEN i5-760. And guess what? He doesn't care that the 3600 performs better and is only tens of dollars more or that he can upgrade to an 8 core modern Ryzen 7. He's just happy that games are finally playable again.
i'm blessed with that too but mostly because i don't exactly understand about most stuff on this topic. however when i finally cares for once or twice in a year, i always have my friend who works as a pc builder to help me with it. so i guess i'm double blessed
I'm not regretting buying my 4080, but I also still love and use my 1080Ti in my second Rig! I just love it ^^
Oof. I knew messing with that tree was a bad idea lol.
Laptop thing so relatable.
I loved my Ryzen 1600, because I jumped to it from a Phenom II x6. It was an amazing uptick in performance. As much as I loved when I upgraded to the Phenom II from whatever 2006 low-end HP computer I was using, because of the uptick in performance. But I was still very saddened by those upgrades because the hardware I'd built memories with over the years was falling behind, and there was nothing I could do to help them keep up with the current demands.
I prefer to blame the video games for making me want to play them, but really, it was me. I let them down, I abandoned them when I was inconvenienced.
Still using my Ryzen 3600 since 2019. Best purchase ever. I am thinking of changing it with the next Ryzen 9 CPU when launched.
As for the GPU, I am using an RX 6600 which I bought for about $150 second hand. I love it.
I rocked the i5-2500k up until this year. Now running a 7800x3D.
I have a 5800x3D and that 3D cache is crazy. Some games doubled in framerate for me.
The outro of this video made it clear to me why you always burn trees in source mapping videos 😅
Well i can say that i have zero regrets with my i7 2600k and GTX 1060 6gb. I only really play BF1 and older titles atm and it rips through everything I ask of it. 2600k is at 4.7ghz but when i do decide to finally buy something new, it's meeting 5GHz for fun. I bought the proccesor in 2012. If that isn't the best value processor you could buy, i'd be shocked tbh. Even the intel 520 120gb ssd is still my boot drive. If i only browsed there would be no need to upgrade for another 6 years at least
We very much needing a “Ryzen moment” for graphics.
2:34 Great quote
I have used ryzen 5 1500x since the day it came out all those years ago. Only recently did I have to switch it out with a used ryzen 5 2600 I found for cheap, because my old cpu was getting unstable. I will be waiting for the AM5 market to mature before I do a complete upgrade (cant wait for ddr5). Really looking forward to the up and coming ryzen 9xxx series.
Me when the Steam Deck OLED came out right after I bought the LCD Steam Deck
The Philip that waited another couple days before buying a laptop is now up to 5 kliks
970 was my best buy ever, lasted me nearly a decade
I feel like I'm in such a weird spot because my daily driver PC (from early 2017) is a 1080 ti and a Ryzen 1600 that I had both gotten around release time. It feels like you targeted this video directly at me. I think the 1080 ti has definitely aged incredibly well, and I still am not really GPU limited most of the time (I have a 4k screen and most of the time the FPS doesn't change based on my resolution in many games). My CPU is ok, but I definitely can tell that I get a lot of slow down in newer stuff, and I think my RAM is also pretty dated at this point as well (not even sure what I have lol, it was the cheapest at the time). I am thinking about upgrading my CPU but I think it might just be time to retire this machine here in the next year or so. I am incredibly fortunate to have bought this PC right before the crypto boom and the hellacious PC component market that followed, and for years my card's value never dropped below MSRP. Even now I don't know if this machine is worth less than half of what I paid for it. Pretty incredible really.
I used to feel the regret of buying a 1050ti laptop just before the 20 series came out. But then that machine lasted 7 years and played every game i wanted.
The hinge is broken, the bios doesnt detect the ssd slot anymore and the body is super swollen cause the battery got spicy and bended it.
But damn did it did it job.
I thought "hmmm that tree is gonna hurt someone" but then nothing happened until the very end of the video. Btw your parents filmed a lot of videos of you, that's cool
I got a 1660S in 2019 for $320 AUD. In 2020 it had gone up to $800. I have no regrets.
I'd say that going into a store and trusting that they won't just rip you off is worse than hindsight, especially if you don't know much about it as then you can't just say hindsight is 20/20 or whatever. The blame end up being squarely onto you and there's nothing you can do
Thanks for the reality check! I keep trying to reconcile my lizard brain for choosing a lower tier card and CPU last year but it's so fickle. This will atave off the conflict for a few more days
And here I am, on i5 2500k and RX 480. RIP
This is why i usually stay a generation behind, or get stuff just as new things come out. Its way cheaper and still performs great. Ever since getting the gtx 1080 for full price, then the 1080ti came out just after my return window ended for the same i paid but it way better performance...
I have a first gen Ryzen and it DOES butt heads with my i7-2600. I'm regularly tempted to go back to it because of those teething issues you mentioned...
ngl when I was building my first proper pc like back in the gpu shortage I was worried about prices going down and better gpu coming out right after I build the pc, i just stopped looking at hardware for a while to prevent that feeling lol