Dover Samuel's Experience of Being Punished for Speaking Māori at School I The Hui 2021
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Now 82 years old, former MP Dover Samuels speaks out about the brutality he suffered as a child when he spoke Māori at school in the 1940s. In 2015 he made a claim to the Waitangi Tribunal for a formal apology from Government to acknowledge the mamae for children of being beaten for speaking te reo at native schools.
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Kia kaha rangatira shame on them for trying to wipe away there pakeha history
Try it now
A lot of people trying to minimize this man's trauma by mentioning the trauma of others..
The suffering of others does not justify physical abuse.
Them teachers came with their arrogance ignorance and hate towards our rangatiras.... Never came to bind peace or unity.. Hope u get apology with the many others Matūa D kia kaha
LORD JESUS CHRIST I pray that PEACE entrench deeply in the many 💕 hearts of those who suffered dearly. By memories led to scars that have been voiced by you matua .
And I pray that FORGIVENESS may bridge HEALING to all affected by simular situations.
Amene.
Strapping was still going on from 1986 to mid 90s for us one mum stood up to the school to get no result till then it was the norm Iykyk wash your mouth out with soap they meant it
4 generation gone for my whanau From my Grandfather down to my children
The bible teaches, therefore God teaches, that everyone of us are dirty rotten sinners at heart. We are all murders, idolaters, we practice every form of perversion in our hearts, we all hate what is right in God's eyes, but we all love the evil that He has shown to us. I also went through all that has been described here as a Maori kid being brought up on the East Coast. When I came to understand the reason why Jesus Christ died a horrible death on the Cross of Calvary, that it was for all of my dirty rotten sins, God saved me out of all the filth that was in my life, and now I can live a life absolutely FREE of my past disappointments, and I refuse to allow my past including all of its disappointments, hurts etc, to sabotage the new life that God has given to me in Jesus Christ who says that if we carry unforgiveness in our hearts, then God will not forgive us of our sins and wrong doings etc etc. So let's stop promoting hatred, but rather forgive and love each other as we love our selves.... this is what God requires of us - and yes we cannot do this of ourselves, but by the power and comfort of God's Holy Spirit. This is the life that Jesus Christ died to give us when we surrender our dirty rotten lives to HIM.
May God bring us all into this wonderful salvation, that is ours through faith in Jesus Christ.
Tas Collier
1965. UK. Age 5. We were all strapped, caned, ears twisted, nape hairs pulled, had chalk and board dusters thrown at us. We were dragged around and occasionally flung across the classroom. For talking out of turn. For getting our reading or sums wrong. For inattention. For fighting. Girls, boys, it made no difference. I particularly remember the straight edge( with the strip of metal embedded) on the back of the legs for getting the word wrong. Some teachers were total psychopaths. Some were kind and never struck us. Such were the times. We know Maori leaders, perhaps misguidedly, strongly advised not allowing Maori kids to speak Te Reo in school. English was the language of the wider world, and in order to have a chance at success in the wider world kids had to learn and speak English. Ten years later in a small Hokianga school, we learned some Maori and wee encouraged to learn waiata and haka. The strap, yes. But only for quite serious transgressions.
Exactly
it's disheartening to hear of such harsh disciplinary measures inflicted upon children in the 1960s. The physical and emotional abuse described is a stark reminder of the era's oppressive educational practices. For Māori children, the suppression of Te Reo Māori in schools was particularly damaging, severing them from their cultural roots and identity. This misguided attempt to integrate Māori into the "wider world" through English came at a great cost.
By the 1970s, the tide began to turn, and there was a recognition of the importance of preserving and revitalizing Māori culture and language. Learning waiata and haka in schools became a step towards reclaiming our heritage. While the use of the strap continued for serious transgressions, the emphasis on cultural education marked a significant shift. Today, we continue to fight for a respectful, inclusive, and culturally aware education system for all our tamariki.
my mum in the 1930s got the strap for speaking Maori.. didnt seem to carry much trauma for her.. she had no issue strapping us kids and we got the strap/cane at school lots in the 70s to 80s. not sure what the big deal was - i use to volunteer to take the cane versus staying in and doing detention work . different times and lots of sh1t things happened back then - not sure why people who didnt do the caning/set the rules needs to be apologising.. Move on Koro!!
So the abused becomes the abuser, trauma presents itself in many ways your mother's was to do unto her kids and was done to her. That doesn't make it right that violence was normalised to the point of desensitising victims so they can pass it down in their families. Today is different, if a teacher thinks they can do the to my kids I'm getting them to line it up everyone that condoned it. I was the same W taking physical punishment when younger e my grandparents, but we've all come to a point of realisation this is not okay and not something we plan on continuing. We are willing to look at our raruraru and the trickle down effects
@@Pastaaa204 yep agree with you! but there was so much sh1t things done back in those days and fortunately society keeps moving forward learning from those lessons... i think its important to call them out for being wrong (and address trauma where it can be identified) but not sure about how and why we get polticians (who in some cases werent even born then) to keep apologising for the sht things from history.. best we can ask of them is to identify it, recgonise it as wrong, lets learn from it, lets move forward together.
Who are you to tell people to move on
@@Iam0. Who are you to tell people not to move on?
@@Iam0.Ok be a victim,live in the past,hold the grudges and teach ya kids how to keep the victimhood
It was a different era, let's move forward
It affects us still. Should we just get over it?
@@isiahpouwhare7312 how is their past experience affecting you currently?
@@HEILEST
Loss of the language for many, dispossessed of land, culture, identity in our own country.
Having to answer a question on CZcams asked by a person ignorant enough to not know how ignorant he is.
@@ngabushallday6642 so let's move forward to get it back, why live in the past?
@HEILEST
The past must be acknowledged for healing to happen.
Once that occurs, everyone benefits.
I point you to Germany, the holocaust & the rise of Nazism is taught in school, the need to educate was seen immediately following the fall of Hitler.
Generally speaking, no-one is in denial about that particular part of German history.
No-one moves on in denial.
Just like the romans, pakeha and the karauna did not and could fathom the knowledge nor understand the wickedness of their hearts. A language given by the Almighty God to Maori made the minds and hearts of pakeha confused.
Which Almighty god?
@@HEILEST there's only one God, the creator of heaven and earth. Genesis 1:1.
@@Frank-rx8ch you do not require a book to know that, just know that your belief in god is just that, a belief.
Whom exactly are these pakeha ,or is it actually the system.of control?.I say this because you should be aware the same process occurred in Britain and Ireland well before the Maori experience. What Maori have gone through so too did the Irish,Scots and Welsh with their Gaelic tongues .To me at least simply stating pakeha isn't really identifying the root of it,which I believe stems from the English system of control.Not your average class of people but the establishment of control through the Crown by the upper class
The old man thinks it was only him and his mates that got the bash. The system was still dishing out violence in the 90's regardless of skin colour.He has always been a professional victim
there was no caning after 1990s.... what are you on about, Corporal punishment in schools and early childhood centres had been prohibited in law since 1990.
@@nardwalker219so what? It’s illegal for the State to abuse kids too, and look at how many decades that went on for.
@nardwalker219 if you read others posts they will confirm children were being assaulted in the 90's. The last time I was assaulted by an adult at school was1988
@darrylgenet7213
Yeah ok, you're the victim right?
Was your language beaten out of you?
Māori kids were beaten & made to learn English, you know, the actual occurrence of people having a language "forced down their throats".
People like you are pathetic.
Getting canned for actually being naughty is one thing, but when it is for speaking the language of your identity of which you grew up with at home is another thing. This is something not many people could actually fathom
My grandmother was pakeha slave
not allowed to speak English by the time her family found her 50 years latter she had forgotten how ' i was
a litter shit at school in the seventies an caned many times an
strapped at primary school it was like who wasn't?
A pakeha liar 😅
A slave? What century are we talking about?
Maori in many parts were treated like strangers/foreigners on their own whenua.
Who enslaved her?
🐂 shite
How sad never mind send him some tissues
How a bout send you the strap
Everyone got it not just Maori but lets make sure the bad white man narrative is woven into every fable, shame Maori lost the plot
Move on or get lost with your bashing this is a great story and a good historical background on the 1940s ppl from this generation Matua Dove & Peters are exceptional in te ao Maori with their memory of the past and contributions to this countries history.
Maori lost the plot because white land thieves stole all their plots of land
how can humans tread each other like this, we are all humans and have feelings what color you are sick
its been documented that maori parents wanted their kids to speak english ,this guy has always played the victim
Hey dopey, what are you going to tell your kids to do if they're being beaten at school?
FYI in 1876, Maori petitioned the Crown, 400 signatures, to ask for 2 schools for Maori, one school would teach in Te Reo, kids aged 7 & above who spoke only Te Reo and the other school in English for kids 2 yrs old who didn't speak at all.
This was an effort to keep the language alive, it was rejected by the Crown, no surprises there, the goal of colonisation is to assimilate the natives, the first step being to eliminate the language.
Here's a tip, stop lying & just acknowledge that wrongs were done, wrongs that go way beyond the harm done to the language.
What document are you even Māori
produce that document please, the language was caned out of a whole generation
He sure has, the old tribal life was so debauched the depravity was unthinkable. Slaves heads were hacked off and thrown to kids to kick around, gouge eyes out and snap jaws in other slaves faces. Colonisation stopped all that, the benefits and miracles have not been highlighted enough. Maori need to apologize to Pakeha for all the Treaty breaches that never end moan about nothing, twisting the past stories and treaty meaningalways a conspiracy with no admitting of wrong doing you never say thanks for anything you suck and were voting you out. Te reo was written for them in English alphabet noone was trying to destroy it, the Bible was translated and Maori became Christians. Praise God be grateful
@@nardwalker219nah,my Nan got caned but retained it. Learnt that she went to school to speak English,her parents knew what would help in the new world
The Hui only wants to tell stories that support the evil colonists narrative.
Apirana Ngata supported maori speakibg english aswel as many of our tipuna.
I was strapped in the 80s,walked to school across the paddocks in bare feet,as did my mum,her mum and her mum.
They got caned for speaking maori at school,but they were sent there to assimilate by their parents and knew the rules
And they retained their reo.
Im tired of this ,and we need to move forward.
Ghange the record mihingarangi
Apirana Ngata and many others walked a fine line to retain our reo while navigating the pressures to assimilate. Their resilience is undeniable, and it has paved the way for us. However, we cannot ignore the trauma inflicted by those assimilation policies. Our people were punished for speaking their language, a fundamental part of our identity.
Today, we're at a crossroads. We honour our past, but we must also advocate for a future where te reo Māori thrives, free from the shadows of colonization. It’s not just about moving forward; it’s about reclaiming what was nearly lost. Changing the record isn’t about dismissing our history but ensuring our tamariki grow up in a world where their language and culture are celebrated, not suppressed. E kore e ngaro, te kākano i ruia mai i Rangiātea.
Kia kaha, kia māia, kia manawanui.
Dinosaur bleating. Move on Dover and get over it. Your time is better spent on fixing the low levels of Maori in school now. It’s shameful and try and focus on how much Maori benefitted from colonialism. No need to thank us. It would be better than bleating about the past.
No thanks needed for the disgusting things that came with colonization. You are deluded at the highest level. Thank you for making that obvious in your comment
how bout you fix your own races problems like how they dodge tax evasion to the tune of 8 billion dollars or the child molestation cases that have happened in the past, or the stealing of millions from old people.
Racist bleating 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮