Seems the "unsafe" aspect of this is the lack of proper attachment points for the pole. Other than this, the procedure seemed an economical and practical way of moving the odd car from place to place.
My great grandfather was injured working in a train yard when my grandmother was young. All of the kids had to go to work starting at age 12 or so in order to survive. My grandmother used to talk about the day that her sister got her a job at a rag recycling factory. She had to leave school and regretted it her whole life.
I wonder if they tried to move them by hand with three or four men? I was able to move an empty compartment car a few inches by myself when I worked for a rubber plant a few years ago.
In those days, it was alot more of single car movements. Unlike today's unit trains. So to move a single car or only a couple of cars, it was quicker to pole them if on a parallel track then to go all the way to the end to switch tracks. Also you could have a couple of other cars on the either track in the way. Which would require extra movements to get to the one car needed. At this time in of the original film, flat yards were commonly used. Hump yards to separate the cars to individual tracks were not as common. A whole train would come in on one line. The locomotives uncoupled and move over to another line for maintenance or to ready for the next job. The rest of the train would be broken down by switch engines to other tracks in sections depending on where they are going. And then those groups could be broken down further if some cars for for another yard or to be dropped off on the way. Those going to another city would go through the process again.
When people whine and whinge about OH&S I remind them of the hundreds of thousands of deaths and injuries where families were not paid any compensation or people with a missing limb just couldn’t work again - and it wasn’t the companies or government problem.
Agreed! Many families were devastated when the bread-winner was killed or maimed. Companies back then never took care of their employees, they were ALL expendable.
It's not a steam-vs-diesel thing. Today, only large industries are rail-served and most of them take several cars at a time. In those days, many more industries had rail service and many of them were smaller, taking only one or two cars. There was also the hassle of dealing with cabooses. All of that meant that a lot more switching moves were required than are needed today. They had to do things like poling cars to save time so that a crew could get everything done within their shift.
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Life in the real world can be dangerous it was dangerous in the prehistory it was dangerous on the frontier it was dangerous on the farm and it's dangerous as hell to get on the highway today. But those Rich tycoons didn't care about the Working Class People then or now oh PS it was dangerous when I made a living working for myself as a barn painter and a house painter but mostly walking those barn roofs with a rope thrown over holding on with one arm and spraying those roofs out big steep tall hip roof barns that's all it was holding me up there and I'd walk those whole Barns and those steep angles hanging on to that rope what a man won't do to support his wife and four kids but I never thought of it as danger I had to make a living and I just did it then I broke my back and learn to walk again I went back to climb in 40 ft ladders for a living
@@jds6206 yes and no, I doubt the company instructed workers to pole trains in this situation but it was taught in the yard as a short cut, unions were fixing working conditions long before the government started making money writing tickets. I laugh at osha regulations daily when no one is looking but if I don’t get my 15 min break there’s going to be hell to pay
@@arizonaadventureriders9384 Clearly you never had to work in the days when businesses wrote the regulations. When safety was, safety for company property and not the workers. Bet you think its the workers fault for having their hands sliced off by a locomotive because they were never trained to do whatever the hell the company asked them to do.
No it's not. It was a necessary part of the job in those days because there were many small customers on the railroad, who'd only receive cars one or two at a time. That meant many more switching moves than you'd see today, and the only way to get the job done within a shift was to pull crazy stuff like this. Or for the railroad to use 50% more locomotives (and staff and engine shops and...) and have to put their prices up by 50% to pay for it all.
Seems the "unsafe" aspect of this is the lack of proper attachment points for the pole. Other than this, the procedure seemed an economical and practical way of moving the odd car from place to place.
My grandfather went to work for Santa Fe Railroad, about 1910, give or take. He probably did this a time or two, or two hundred.
Ah the good old days before safety was invented.
that's funny
You can still legal do this cause it was never outlawed
My great grandfather was injured working in a train yard when my grandmother was young. All of the kids had to go to work starting at age 12 or so in order to survive. My grandmother used to talk about the day that her sister got her a job at a rag recycling factory. She had to leave school and regretted it her whole life.
“Nobody wanted to be nearby…when the pole dropped…or snapped…”
_OR_ on the back of the caboose- _STANDING RIGHT OVER IT!!!_ 😳
Have heard about using a pry bar to move a car past the fouling point on an adjacent track but this was much easier.
And a whole lot more dangerous! Hard to imagine poling a car in snow, or freezing rain! No thanks.
I wonder if they tried to move them by hand with three or four men? I was able to move an empty compartment car a few inches by myself when I worked for a rubber plant a few years ago.
Short sightedness to be sure !
Ive got that caboose in o gauge
Why did they use s pole instead of just directly pushing it?
Because it was on another track
In those days, it was alot more of single car movements. Unlike today's unit trains. So to move a single car or only a couple of cars, it was quicker to pole them if on a parallel track then to go all the way to the end to switch tracks. Also you could have a couple of other cars on the either track in the way. Which would require extra movements to get to the one car needed.
At this time in of the original film, flat yards were commonly used. Hump yards to separate the cars to individual tracks were not as common. A whole train would come in on one line. The locomotives uncoupled and move over to another line for maintenance or to ready for the next job. The rest of the train would be broken down by switch engines to other tracks in sections depending on where they are going. And then those groups could be broken down further if some cars for for another yard or to be dropped off on the way. Those going to another city would go through the process again.
@@Tigerskunk Wow, thank you very much for that explanation!
Whats this film called? Is there a full version on youtube?
8 out of 10 cars like this video!
When people whine and whinge about OH&S I remind them of the hundreds of thousands of deaths and injuries where families were not paid any compensation or people with a missing limb just couldn’t work again - and it wasn’t the companies or government problem.
As they say, safety regulations are written in blood.
Agreed! Many families were devastated when the bread-winner was killed or maimed. Companies back then never took care of their employees, they were ALL expendable.
An experienced Brakeman only had 9 fingers
Extraordinario estos son los quiero ver
We still do that.
Y don't you make it hydrolic so no human is there and it can't snap? Looks like a good concept when the safety is considered properly
I do it all the time in my T 36 back home
To be honest will a a lot of refinement that practice could be useful in a more safe manor
Not even that much refinement: it wouldn't have been that difficult to make an arm from the engine that swings out and properly engaged the hitch.
There’s a reason poling cars existed.
@@steakthedoggaming5333 To be honest I wasn’t far in the video when commented that, at the time I was thinking more of a Z-shaped coupling
MANNER!!!
@@Toledo1940 Ah yes. The consequences of my actions.
That man running & jumping to get on that moving locomotive, how safe is that ?
I'm surprised he got on just like that...
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This apeear from nothing, and i saw it.
thanks for this youtube
I didn't know that the New York Central Railroad have 4-6-0 Ten-wheeler
4-6-0 is ten wheeler
@@gusbunger6494 sorry my bad.
shake hands with danger
I can already hear the guitar riff in my head
at first I thought this was a mis-spelling for 'pulling'. Interesting.
Welcome
When living dangerously was worth bragging about. " Oh yea, well TOP THIS !!!".
Before diesel engines, they had to conserve every single morsel of efficiency from the steam engine.
It's not a steam-vs-diesel thing. Today, only large industries are rail-served and most of them take several cars at a time. In those days, many more industries had rail service and many of them were smaller, taking only one or two cars. There was also the hassle of dealing with cabooses. All of that meant that a lot more switching moves were required than are needed today. They had to do things like poling cars to save time so that a crew could get everything done within their shift.
Sooooo glad we came a long way from these practices.....Yikes!
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We need more to go on that that. At least describe your surroundings.
Life in the real world can be dangerous it was dangerous in the prehistory it was dangerous on the frontier it was dangerous on the farm and it's dangerous as hell to get on the highway today. But those Rich tycoons didn't care about the Working Class People then or now oh PS it was dangerous when I made a living working for myself as a barn painter and a house painter but mostly walking those barn roofs with a rope thrown over holding on with one arm and spraying those roofs out big steep tall hip roof barns that's all it was holding me up there and I'd walk those whole Barns and those steep angles hanging on to that rope what a man won't do to support his wife and four kids but I never thought of it as danger I had to make a living and I just did it then I broke my back and learn to walk again I went back to climb in 40 ft ladders for a living
It's what they did, it isn't as dangerous as it looks, just use your head in this day and age there's absolutely no common sense
Perfectly safe in the right hands, stupidity created OSHA
OSHA was created to protect workers from their companies. You had it just backwards....
@@jds6206 yes and no, I doubt the company instructed workers to pole trains in this situation but it was taught in the yard as a short cut, unions were fixing working conditions long before the government started making money writing tickets. I laugh at osha regulations daily when no one is looking but if I don’t get my 15 min break there’s going to be hell to pay
I even went many years laughing at MSHA when convenient and those mining pricks have no sense of humor
@@arizonaadventureriders9384
Clearly you never had to work in the days when businesses wrote the regulations.
When safety was, safety for company property and not the workers.
Bet you think its the workers fault for having their hands sliced off by a locomotive because they were never trained to do whatever the hell the company asked them to do.
@@SMGJohn Let's be honest. We know she has never worked.
ok that is just lazy
No it's not. It was a necessary part of the job in those days because there were many small customers on the railroad, who'd only receive cars one or two at a time. That meant many more switching moves than you'd see today, and the only way to get the job done within a shift was to pull crazy stuff like this. Or for the railroad to use 50% more locomotives (and staff and engine shops and...) and have to put their prices up by 50% to pay for it all.
We still do that.