Is every TCG just worse Magic the Gathering? | Down The Hobby Hole | Card Games

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Komentáře • 178

  • @TheRealGeorgeCostanza
    @TheRealGeorgeCostanza Před 3 měsíci +36

    "I started worshipping a seagull" is the most rustage quote

  • @Ricerolled11
    @Ricerolled11 Před 3 měsíci +118

    Shwabadi really just summoned the entire 8 people in the dinosaur king fandom

  • @JemGoomin
    @JemGoomin Před 3 měsíci +27

    Shwabadis reaction to rustage praying to a seagull fucking SENT me XD

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 3 měsíci +38

    Almost an hour of this amazing podcast?! Yes please! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @kimberlykulynyczst3864
      @kimberlykulynyczst3864 Před 3 měsíci +2

      It makes good background for during homework time or during independent work

  • @Hjiel
    @Hjiel Před 3 měsíci +13

    Competitive Magic is unlike anything else I've ever done. Travelling across the globe to play in events, meeting people who are well known in the community and even getting to play on stream if you're lucky. To do that in most other hobbies, you'd have to be pretty incredible at them, but even as a mediocre player Magic (and card games in general) open up that opportunity for you.

  • @mgbrad5018
    @mgbrad5018 Před 3 měsíci +15

    The start of the yugioh manga was a comic strip in a magazine all centered around different board games. Like Rustage said The parody of MTG spawned into its own game. It was received well enough that it became the premise of the series moving forward.
    The arcade game mark is talking about is either Fate GO Arcade edition where you’d build your team using cards each of a different character. OR the Love Live All Stars Arcade version, you roll gacha for cards that are characters in specific outfits. You build your idol group using those cards and play a rhythm game.

  • @dragonoid73
    @dragonoid73 Před 3 měsíci +9

    My 12 dinosaur king cards calling to me after years when Shwabadi casually unlocks a core memory

  • @henilememe7130
    @henilememe7130 Před 3 měsíci +32

    DINOSAUR KING MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!

  • @lucaswright1040
    @lucaswright1040 Před 3 měsíci +15

    as a long time flesh and blood player I'm super stoked to hear you guys talk about it.

  • @crusiver8453
    @crusiver8453 Před 3 měsíci +23

    The draw of Yu-Gi-Oh for me is how specific it can get. You aren't merely building a blue deck or a green deck anymore. Truthfully, any type of card can go into any type of deck.
    So how is it more specific you ask?
    Archetypes! Wanna play as evil twins that moonlight as live streamers? Yugioh will have support cards for that theme. Whether its a theme based on SCP, dark magician, fire kings, giant kaiju fights, mechas, ghost samurai etc. The plethora of unique archetypes and decks you can find is astounding. The deck you play has personality among the hundreds of other archetypes people may play. Not to mentoon the generic cards and the fact some archetypes work well with each other.
    You arent limited to a color nor are you limited to building your deck in a way. If you think it's good, it's playable. Ofcourse there are a ton of ftk or optimized strategies. But Yugioh has slowly been adding more traps and hand traps to efficiently counter decks before they build an unbeatable board. Yugioh is very fast paced but i feel that works to its advantage given everything else is slow burn. Ofcourse since archetypes are so prevalent, they mostly play differently. Hence Yu-Gi-Oh's infamous scenarios. There's just too many play styles to keep track of. Built a deck that banishes and is immune to banishing? Well your opponent has cards that place your monster in the spell zone! It's a wacky type of fun truly!
    Tldr: Yu-Gi-Oh has alot of freedom in playing whatever you want in any deck. Whether it's an alien or warrior etc.
    But hey, i cant speak about the physical game. Ive been playing digital on master duel for a few years now. Very free to play and a crafting system as well. Anyways, just wanted to share my love on a game i think is somewhat misunderstood? It does have problems but clearly there's a community that still loves it. Anyways ciao!

    • @casteanpreswyn7528
      @casteanpreswyn7528 Před 3 měsíci

      This is literally the same for mtg. In fact, mtg has a lot more freedom of choice because you don't have to play the hyper-meta decks just to get a single win, like you do in ygo.
      Saying "just playing a blue deck" is like saying "I'm drawing a picture" as a description of what you are drawing. You could be drawing blueprints, a hyper realistic portrait, a manga style character, an anatomical diagram, or a chemical structure. Sure, it's all drawing, but that tells you nothing except that you are drawing. The same is true if I say, "I'm playing blue". That tells you nothing. I could be playing control, or unblockable, or counters, or infect, or draw synergy, or goodstuff, or big stompy or countless other things. Blue just tells you what color of mana to expect.

  • @Akari-br7ci
    @Akari-br7ci Před 3 měsíci +6

    It's not a TCG but I got to shout out my favorite card game: Sentinels of the Multiverse. Its definitely not like magic the gathering. It's 3-5 players, where everyone controls a superhero and works together to fight a supervillain.
    The thing that makes it so replayable is the heros. They each have their own decks that play totally different from each other. Some are super simple and you can jump in right away, others will take multiple playthroughs before you really understand how the deck works. Even if you know them all back to front (which will take a VERY long time) the combination of heroes makes a difference, because they can support each other and combo off in really fun ways.
    They also support fan made content. If you like superheros and cooperative card games, I highly recommend it.

  • @jeffmyname2211
    @jeffmyname2211 Před 3 měsíci +14

    The original yugioh manga is a horror manga where they play a fucked up game every episode.
    Theres an chapter where they’re playing a parody of magic the gathering. They got so many phone calls of kids asking how to play he shifted the whole manga, thats why there arent really rules at the start.
    The last arc of the manga is basically his playing a DnD game against the main villain

    • @rustagetwo
      @rustagetwo  Před 3 měsíci +9

      yeah i knew it was something like that!

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 Před 3 měsíci +5

      Not gonna lie, a story where every battle is decided by DnD rules and the winner is the one that bullshits the hardests sounds dope

  • @dido4326
    @dido4326 Před 3 měsíci +8

    Love the intro. very jazzesk

  • @HenilememeNaoki
    @HenilememeNaoki Před 3 měsíci +7

    Love the intro, also magic is great, but I will gladly keep selling my soul to komoney for yugioh

  • @pingucrimson750
    @pingucrimson750 Před 3 měsíci +2

    HOLY SHIT MARK KNOWS DINOSAUR KING! That show is the reason I now study palaeontology at uni!!!

  • @JakeTheBeastDelta
    @JakeTheBeastDelta Před 3 měsíci +2

    A fun card game that I have is Smash Up. It's a card game where you take two factions based on something from books, movies, or video games like dinosaurs, aliens, robots, samurai, etc. and then you put them together to make a deck that you use to compete against 1 to 3 other players trying to destroy bases to gain victory points (VP) with the first person to 15 VP winning.

  • @Yojack872
    @Yojack872 Před 3 měsíci +6

    The only card game I play is Yugioh and frankly I'm content with it's problems. I have zero interest in other games

  • @relicking9207
    @relicking9207 Před 3 měsíci +5

    I play Commander and my current deck is Tribal Spiders(Thantis is the commander), it's not great but I find it funny.
    My favourite Yugioh deck is Shaddolls, but Modern Yugioh is stupid, I don't really play Pokemon TCG because I don't know how to play(and I have too many expensive hobbies to get into it), I play the Digimon TCG with a Black Machine Deck that is suppose to be GrandLocomon Turbo, but so far it is more Machinedramon turbo.

  • @SeniorNano
    @SeniorNano Před 3 měsíci +4

    Omg commander talk i love it 😻

  • @GhostyBoi7737
    @GhostyBoi7737 Před 3 měsíci +7

    Yoooo nice intro

  • @SeniorNano
    @SeniorNano Před 3 měsíci +3

    I knew this was coming when rustage liked my Universe Beyond comment on the other pod, cant wait to listen

  • @JinSolknight
    @JinSolknight Před 3 měsíci +2

    Praise the Seagull!

  • @malakivaldez629
    @malakivaldez629 Před 3 měsíci

    Please keep doing this for as long as it brings you happiness because it brings me happiness. Weekly for at least a hour

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Awesome intro! 🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @zindayn
    @zindayn Před 3 měsíci

    This episode is a big blast back to the past. I started playing at the beginning of the zendikar block and it was awesome. magic the gathering very much impacted my creativity and enjoyment of card games to this day.

  • @jordanholt9170
    @jordanholt9170 Před 3 měsíci

    About the second version of the Isekai game: I think there’s a great idea there, it reminds me of a game called Tiny Epic Kingdom (I think that’s what it was called). Basically, you choose a faction, and that faction gives you benefits based on the resources you have. You spend each round collecting resources, building armies and fighting each other for other resources. The game is surprisingly fast paced, as when someone chooses to do something, everyone else can do it too. The game is also portable as well, as the game fits inside a box about the size of a standard deck of cards.

  • @LydiallyLydia
    @LydiallyLydia Před 3 měsíci

    Another banger that makes Mondays a joy! Keep up the good work

  • @packopeners6932
    @packopeners6932 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Love the new intro

  • @Andres-ov9nr
    @Andres-ov9nr Před 3 měsíci +3

    Ooo love the intro

  • @COOCOO11642
    @COOCOO11642 Před 3 měsíci

    Rustage explaining the origins of some characters.... was purely for a card game. Is mind blowing knowledge! 😅

  • @martinblaizot2274
    @martinblaizot2274 Před 3 měsíci

    1h long is pretty good !!! I'm loving this monday meeting !
    Can't wait for the Isekai cards game !

  • @justinn8541
    @justinn8541 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Great intro

  • @casteanpreswyn7528
    @casteanpreswyn7528 Před 3 měsíci

    Short answer, yes. Long answer, yes but only kind of.
    If yall like theme decks, you'll probably love my Garth, One Eye commander deck. He is the only human in the deck, and the rest of the creatures all only have regular animal types. He's a zoo keeper. All the other non-land cards are themed after zoo enclosures or where the animals are from.
    That or my "Kenrith takes his kids out to the drag strip" deck which is headed by Kenrith, The Returned King and is focused on vehicles and contains both Will and Rowan. It has cards related to betting or racing as well as father/child activities.
    Of my like 24 or 25 commander decks, those two are my favorite.

  • @E-Liege
    @E-Liege Před 3 měsíci +1

    Love the intro !!

  • @BlazingAura_
    @BlazingAura_ Před 3 měsíci

    I love card games so much! I played so many they didn't mention, like chaotic, redakia, a yugioh dice card game (not dice monsters), but I really love cardfighter vanguard. The text and stuff put me off, too, but for me, it was the simplest game I learned. I love it bc it makes me think so hard, and I feel like crazy smart when I make good plays, and I like the RNG of drive checks ahhhh I could go on forever I need more people I can play vanguard with.

  • @shiroquest
    @shiroquest Před 3 měsíci

    man the endings keep getting more intense

  • @VooshSpokesman
    @VooshSpokesman Před 3 měsíci

    Love from a Billiam and Vaush fan!

  • @noooiisloth
    @noooiisloth Před 3 měsíci +1

    13:45 Lathril blade of the elves is broken. that deck allows u to get like 20 elf tokens and u can tap lathril and 10 elves to deal 10 damage instantly. then just play smthn that allows u to untap lathril and repeat. i once did 30 damge just from her in one turn.

    • @archdruidman3493
      @archdruidman3493 Před 3 měsíci

      It literally ain’t tho. If all of the opponents have fuck all in interaction then sure, it can pop off. But it gets disrupted VERY easily

  • @lordofbeans5009
    @lordofbeans5009 Před 3 měsíci

    Lowkey finna cop the Devils Luck card game, i have been procrastinating getting it but i think its time. Love this series so much.

  • @lolexguy
    @lolexguy Před 3 měsíci +3

    third favorite daniel remember.

  • @Fallenangel_85
    @Fallenangel_85 Před 3 měsíci

    Let's bit forget that "Battleforge" existed. A card game that makes full use of being an online game, merging card game with strategy game.
    If somebody is bold enough to try this again, it will be a hit for sure.
    (there is a fan driven version of the game still around)

  • @GrimmCrescent
    @GrimmCrescent Před 3 měsíci

    I had a dinosaur king game for the Ds, and when i would mention it, literally no one would know what i was talking about.

  • @PaperTheGM
    @PaperTheGM Před 3 měsíci

    Dinosaur King was my childhood, was not expecting to hear it in this episode. I lost all my cards sadly

  • @kakomashu3527
    @kakomashu3527 Před 3 měsíci

    Yay opening music!!!

  • @kavugoz321
    @kavugoz321 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Ooooo lets go! As a big MTG nerd this is going to be good!

  • @lifeisadrive6734
    @lifeisadrive6734 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Dinosaur king is what you wanna be Yeha hey come on he come on yeah --- my childhood

  • @shardananewland4847
    @shardananewland4847 Před 3 měsíci

    Did you know that there is also a prolific series of novels and comics about Magic the gathering, a lot of the lore is explained there.

  • @COOCOO11642
    @COOCOO11642 Před 3 měsíci

    I wish I could see or build some of the magic decks they are describing!

  • @mac677
    @mac677 Před 3 měsíci

    10 out of 10 Cam Steady impression 😂😂

  • @jordenking6389
    @jordenking6389 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Ayy epic episode

  • @ThatOnePhoneGuy
    @ThatOnePhoneGuy Před 3 měsíci

    No force of will? I'm surprised everyone forgot about that game so quickly

  • @Reppen555
    @Reppen555 Před 3 měsíci

    draft and commander with friends in real life is way more fun then showing up to a convention

  • @Reppen555
    @Reppen555 Před 3 měsíci

    the first card game i ever learnt is called Harts. then i became a yu gi oh player and now i play magic the gathering almost every week at the local board games club

  • @ScalesQT
    @ScalesQT Před 3 měsíci +1

    Leaving support comment for more episodes 😅

  • @turdperson4463
    @turdperson4463 Před 3 měsíci +1

    As a die hard yugioh fan, I will 100% admit magic was way more fun to play when I played it for the first time (played the commander format I think it’s called?). Genuinely the decks seem way more fun to play and probably build.

  • @ThatOnePhoneGuy
    @ThatOnePhoneGuy Před 3 měsíci

    I'll fact check here on Yu-Gi-Oh. It was originally a normal anime and the card game was just a random old Egypt game they made up in passing but fans wanted to know the game so they used Magic as a ref to make the rules of Yu-Gi-Oh

  • @GraciousInk-1530
    @GraciousInk-1530 Před 3 měsíci

    I was addicted to the dinosaur king arcade machine

  • @gaara_of_the_desert1118
    @gaara_of_the_desert1118 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I think the only card game I like as much as Flesh & Blood is Legends of Runeterra the League of Legends card game, which ironically continues the trend of everything they make other than League being amazing.

  • @Yuxa
    @Yuxa Před 3 měsíci

    Yoooo Buddyfight was amazing. I'm sad its done but that was my favourite tcg and still is

  • @jerrimyhealy5063
    @jerrimyhealy5063 Před 3 měsíci

    Yall inspired me and now I wanna make a card game

  • @ronin6230
    @ronin6230 Před 3 měsíci

    Love the jazz intro!!!!!
    Collected Pokemon cards, didn't play. Played Hearthstone for a couple of years and stopped. Use to play Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Links (speed format version of standard) and some Shadowverse.
    I've watched the Dinosaur King anime on 4kids, I didn't know there was a TCG for it

  • @ndehaan13
    @ndehaan13 Před 3 měsíci

    I liked Flesh and Blood so much that i started a business around it! Glad you guys are interested in it!
    Mtg can still be fun but FAB is super awesome!

  • @commonviewer2488
    @commonviewer2488 Před 3 měsíci

    My friend got me into Buddyfight, and while I did like playing the game, deck building felt restrictive. The game forces you into sticking with a theme, and while the card list built up over time, the same restrictions remained. If you wanted to blend two themes, you needed a specific flag card to do so, and you start with a penalty.

  • @Reppen555
    @Reppen555 Před 3 měsíci

    yes you are correct Rustage ive seen that yu gi oh manga page that shows off magic the gathering as a refrence

  • @thebariobro7664
    @thebariobro7664 Před 3 měsíci

    Nah keep the episodes this long. I like an hour long chat between friends

  • @dontmisunderstand6041
    @dontmisunderstand6041 Před 3 měsíci

    Hypergeometric distribution, it is the exact formula that tells you the probability of a randomized deck of cards having a specific order. Just hearing that you're using it makes me personally more confident in the quality of the game.

  • @neilpiece488
    @neilpiece488 Před 3 měsíci

    This episode's outro had me fucking crying 🤣

  • @sayonarajames5165
    @sayonarajames5165 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Do you guys have a Moxfield/Archidekt/ similar deckbuilding website profile we can check out? Would love to see what kinds of decks you guys are playing!
    Edit: adding this in post FAB discussion you may like UFS/Universus it's a licensed Card game, it started as a simulation of a fighting game, and it likely inspired FAB (although FAB is definitely bigger than UFS now lol)

  • @majinsole8554
    @majinsole8554 Před 3 měsíci

    That intro kinda nice!
    That Rustage unhinged outtro though…
    ~_~

  • @confusedperson21
    @confusedperson21 Před 3 měsíci

    I just started playing magic yesterday and its really fun

  • @deathswitch2404
    @deathswitch2404 Před 3 měsíci

    My intro to card games was Yu-Gi-Oh. I was an active player who scoffed at people who said MTG is the Ultimate CG for so long.
    Recently bought some Doctor Who MTG decks and I'm starting to believe

  • @spacesandals5716
    @spacesandals5716 Před 3 měsíci

    SHWABADI you legit made me clap my hands in fuckin euphoria. I did not think anyone would ever mention dinosaur king again holy crap. I watched the show as a kid and then played the Nintendo ds game. Super big fan of it and this made me feel so nostalgia omg

  • @Vierdro
    @Vierdro Před 3 měsíci

    wow im surprised buddyfight got brought up. fun game.

  • @Cal_TwT
    @Cal_TwT Před 3 měsíci

    Dinosaur king gave me a flashback.. i remember seeing a few episodes of the show.
    never saw the game though

  • @Reppen555
    @Reppen555 Před 3 měsíci

    i would never throw awey any cards i get from a booster cause ik plenty of people who play the game and some of them might want those cards so its always nice to have cards

  • @dragaser8342
    @dragaser8342 Před 3 měsíci

    I feel the main problem for Yu-Gi-Oh is that you can’t do anything because the 1 billion negates and the 2 trillion draw cards

  • @jaydemigod9731
    @jaydemigod9731 Před 3 měsíci

    Hearing Cardfight Vanguard and Buddyfight get mentioned breathed new life into me…they are correct though teaching new players vanguard isn’t hard but is slightly insane

  • @kiritouzumaki4330
    @kiritouzumaki4330 Před 3 měsíci

    Cardfight Vanguard is my personal favorite card game, im just happy they talked about it even just to slam the card text box which i understand lmfao

  • @MegaMal
    @MegaMal Před 3 měsíci

    I remember playing Dinosaur King on an arcade machine YEARS ago

  • @nightlypiano4116
    @nightlypiano4116 Před 3 měsíci

    I've been getting semi into card video games recently. I finally beat Inscryption's Kaycee's Mod, which Inscryp is one of my favourite games EVER, and i've been playing Balatro recently which is a Poker Roguelike!

  • @kingslay_tv
    @kingslay_tv Před 3 měsíci +1

    In yugioh i can recommend edison format if you want to try a slower version of yugioh that still has fun combos and as a bonus you can build a lot of edison deck for cheap

  • @bizzleizanagi4057
    @bizzleizanagi4057 Před 3 měsíci

    Dinosaur king mention LETS GO

  • @btg-bp4vl
    @btg-bp4vl Před 3 měsíci

    Schwab!! Dinosaur King was my childhood man I know exactly what it is!! The og anime it's based on was available on Netflix so I watched the shirt out of that show when I was younger!! Dinosaur King is goated!!

  • @gamegube6752
    @gamegube6752 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Highly recommend trying out the new digimon tcg very unique with its low rng, unique resorce system and digivolve mechanic of all the tcg's ive played it is my fav

  • @thatdolphindude66
    @thatdolphindude66 Před 3 měsíci

    In all of primary school, I only knew 1 mate that could play Dinosaur King with me 😅

  • @ipw804
    @ipw804 Před 3 měsíci

    Omg the outro tho 😂

  • @SamTheGumMan117
    @SamTheGumMan117 Před 3 měsíci +1

    While I do enjoy and like MTG, there's just a special connection I got with Yugioh that I love too much, whether the anime/manga or actual card game. But I bought the expansion pack for OP DnD, and it's really fun not to mention the art is fantastic. Also the digimon card game was kinda interesting but nowhere near as good as others.

  • @turdperson4463
    @turdperson4463 Před 3 měsíci

    THERES INTRO MUSIC YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @kakomashu3527
    @kakomashu3527 Před 3 měsíci

    4:53 I now feel really old cause I start playing mtg in 2000

  • @commonviewer2488
    @commonviewer2488 Před 3 měsíci

    Yugioh is a game for rules lawyers. You can have a monster that "can't be targeted by card effects," and your opponent will do that anyways because the text on their effect says "choose" instead of "target"

  • @ipw804
    @ipw804 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I dont have a YT, only an insta. But i do stonework and jewelry crafting as a hobby. If y'all would have any interest in discussing that...

  • @Mairilik
    @Mairilik Před 3 měsíci

    I would love to see the second version of the isekai card game as a proper board game. Sounds like it could be a fun niche board game.

  • @gdsean6705
    @gdsean6705 Před 3 měsíci

    You guys should try the zatch bell tcg it's pretty fun

  • @MasterBlade111
    @MasterBlade111 Před 3 měsíci

    That ending 😂

  • @Reppen555
    @Reppen555 Před 3 měsíci

    i have a flying zombies commander deck but it only has like one zombie creature, the commander sacrifises creatures and makes them into zombies, he also gives zombies flying xd

  • @thetismon_simp9593
    @thetismon_simp9593 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Intro cool❤ And personally no

  • @robosamurai6085
    @robosamurai6085 Před 3 měsíci

    Alright, I NEVER expected Shwabadi to know Buddyfight and Dinosaur king. These were my whole childhood.
    Also I tried to get into Magic, but there is literally no one (i know) in India who plays or has even heard of it and its just a personal preference but i dont like to play tcgs digitally.

  • @J.D.J.D
    @J.D.J.D Před 3 měsíci

    Don't know if you guys have played Here to Slay. It's kinda like a team draft game with monster fighting aspect.

  • @scootdoot3882
    @scootdoot3882 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Oh weird I started playing in amonkhet as well when my dad showed me magic

  • @eros492
    @eros492 Před 3 měsíci

    Does anyone remember Duel Masters or was that a fever dream?