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Volleyball Couple Reaction to Haikyu!! S1E22: "Evolution"
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- Professional volleyball player and World Champion Sarah Pavan shares her love of Haikyu!! with her husband/coach and former volleyball athlete, Adam.
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"Evolution." Haikyu: 1st Season. Writ. Taku Kishimoto, Dir. Tomoko Hiramuki, Toshiaki Kanbara, Sentai Filmworks, 2014.
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Many people miss that when Oikawa flips out at Kageyama, he envisions Kageyama with red eyes, but ALSO Ushiwaka from Shiratorizawa with red eyes. He's upset with Kageyama, but what's really freaking him out is the idea that he feels he can't stay on the court playing volleyball because of people who are blessed with god given genius level abilities. He doesn't really want to hit Kageyama; He's having a panic attack and is irrationally trying to defend himself against what he feels is a threat to his existence. You can tell his body acted before his head, because he's surprised when Iwazumi grabs his arm. He didn't know he was about to hit Kageyama. As for Kageyama don't worry, he's completely oblivious to what was about to happen, which is why he approaches Oikawa for tips again. Oikawa sticking his tongue out at Kageyama is yes, immature, but to us as an audience, it's actually a sign of growth because he's no longer panicking and is threatened by Kageyama's desire to get even better at Volleyball. This is why I like Oikawa as a character, he has interesting layers and grows
Exactly 👍
When you think of it, Oikawa don't get physical with people, like some other characters. Even when Iwaizumi punches him, he doesn't punch back. He uses more playful, funny ways to razz them up. You can really see how out of sorts and out of character he is here if you think of that. And he is terrified, when Iea stops him.
Oikawa for me, is one of the most relatable character in Haikyuu. He's not just a "good and cocky player." He works hard, he has insecurities, he doesn't want to lose. His character development throughout the series is the reason why he's my favorite character.
GOATIKAWA
Well you can be cocky but still works hard for it. But just because you're good, doesn't mean that you have to be cocky or arrogant about
Spoiler alert
It reminds me of a certain player in S4, which I am neutral either even though he's a fan favorite. The perfect example of good but humble would be aone or the left-handed ace we will meet in the future
If you're talking abt a certain setter in s4 im inclined to agree, i like them a lot less. They seem a lot more conceited about their success, rather than just being confident like Oikawa, who i see as favoured because he has not been a champion nor made it to nationals. His confidence seems to inspire confidence in his team; his snarky remarks act to discourage the opponents. It seems almost strategic compared to an s4 character that is driven by ego. He never says things like "a hitter is bad if they cant hit my sets," he does not rest on his laurels even despite individual accolades recieved. Much prefer him to the character i think youre referencing, but I am an Oikawa fan more and more each watch so.@@Intersectingstuff
Captain my captain, oikawa the goat
The premise of his motivation, to see how far and high he can reach by maximizing every single aspect is my favorite type of athlete.
The one thing that I really like from Oikawa's backstory is what he says towards the end after receiving the award. He gets the best setter award but he says "This award is proof that our spikers gave it all they had". To me this says a lot about his mental growth and attitude. Thanks to conversation with Iwa chan, I think Oikawa wholeheartedly started putting Team first attitude.
Maybe he also realized what kind of setter he wanted to become?thanks to Iwa-chan of course
The Oikawa backstory for me is a young middle school kid having a panic attack after pushing himself too hard. You can tell he was shocked at himself.
His not apologizing isn't great, his doubling down and being an asshole to his teammate and junior for the rest of the year is pretty bad sportsmanship.
@@sharlesdaviskendy2391 fuck it, he was 12, he made mistakes like every body else
@nothingmorebeautifulthanae86 He was like 14-15, Kageyama was 11-12.
And he's STILL an asshole to the kid. The series starts with him demanding a match against the kid out of pure malice, and then he doesn't even show up for it!
Remember that at this point he's 17-18 and Kageyama is 14-15.
panic + working himself to a point he isnt thinking about anything else
@@sharlesdaviskendy2391Literal seconds after the ordeal, he apologized.
Quick thing: the 3rd sets always go to 25 in haikyuu. Only set that goes to 15 in the show is the last of a 5-set match
I legit had flashbacks to Sarah's first watch through and all the times I yelled at my screen when she was 4 seasons in and still saying "this last set only goes to 15 right?" xD
Isn't it the other way around
Right, I swear she got it wrong every time when she watched haikyu the first time, she still hasn’t learned how haikyu sets work lol
For Oikawa, it was pretty clear that he was not in a healthy mental place - you could tell how horrified he was that he snapped. To be fair, Kageyama also showed similar negative behavior driven by pressure - he was verbally abusive to his team and (in the beginning) to Hinata.
However, 100% when in their normal healthy states, Kageyama is a much more polite and mature kid lol. I have 2 younger brothers and while they weren't as immature as Oikawa was when they were 15, they certainly had similar moments. Oikawa can definitely be obnoxious, but i did like his mentality shift of instead of panicking about Kageyama being a genius, he accepted it and basically acknowledged to Kageyama that he accepted it and would challenge him - just obnoxiously lol
This is just what I think but would like to know if Adam agrees. That the coach at kitagawa (junior high) was a bad coach. When Oikawa was there it seems he didn't have a good time under that coach, the coach didn't even try to talk to kageyama and Oikawa. And even after Oikawa left which just in a year kageyama didn't have a good relation with his teammates and coach didn't even bother questioning the problem and finding a middle ground but now in High school with good coaches Oikawa has a good relation with his juniors and kageyama has a good relation with his seniors.
Side note: Aoba Johsai's banner says 'rule the court' because the name means 'Blue Castle' Miyagi has a famous blue castel in their city.
YES the middle school coaches were AWFUL as coaches they have two incredibly talented setters and both of them had mental breakdowns and succumbed to pressure on their watch!!!
@@BornNguyener I really never thought of it like this. They probably didn't realize how much Oikawa and Kageyama love the sport and dedicate themselves. They are kids of course such would happen. The coaches let them down.
@@karabomasibi2331 when Ukai and Takeda bench Kageyama their first thought is oh I hope Kageyama doesn’t take this the wrong way. When the coaches bench Oikawa they’re not checking on him or making sure he understands why it’s happening they even remark the day after that oh Oikawa seems to be fine now showing they didn’t even dig in to his mental state. Then we see Kageyama get benched by them and the coach SIGHS and is just disappointed that Kageyama lost the trust of the team like it’s the coaches job to have prevented that!! The coach sucks for the plot to go on and give them growth as players but Oikawa and Kageyama are not at fault for poor coaching as children!
It's honestly a bit realistic that the middle school coaches suck? The best coaches don't coach middle school.
I would really love to hear Sarah and Adam’s thoughts about the Kitagawa Daiichi Junior High’s coaching staff! I also want you to remember what Kageyama was thinking about when he is on the bench in this match, I don’t remember exact words but something about how when he was benched before in middle school he was thinking that he was no longer useful and that he could be replaced, rather than cool down, observing and correcting like Ukai tells him to do. If that is the message both Oikawa and Kageyama got, it had to come from somewhere back then. Btw, looking into Oikawa’s character and story, doesn’t mean that we are taking his side “against” Karasuno or Kageyama. For me, it is just the pleasure of seeing interesting characters and evolution and I can appreciate both, considering they have a lot in common.
After this episode, the so called "arrogance" of Oikawa in my mind was shattered. It's facade of his insecurities, thats why he also ackowledges that Kageyama is better than him in setting. In writing perspective, he is a brilliant character with flaws and dreams. He is very realistic embodiment of passion and competitiveness. Both positively and negatively.
Arrogance, more often than not, stems from insecurity though
@@trysthoughts Yep, it'll either make you better or destroy you
Exactly. As you said, this episode makes you realize that Oikawa's cockiness is mostly a front, and thus the resulting view people get of him thinking he's better than everyone else is not really accurate. In reality, he's very insecure, due partly to high personal expectations/goals and the seemingly unconquerable Ushijima and exponentially improving Kageyama closing him in on both sides. How this affects him as a player and drives his growth as a character is one of the best parts of the show, I think.
hahahah i think Sarah sooometimessss seems to forget that Oikawa was also a kid back then and thus allowed to be immature and insecure. He is to his current teammates the one encouranging them, showing them their potential, making them better etc (except Iwa, yeap his forehead vein will pop at point ahahaha)
So for Oikawa, it's not just that there are greater players than him in ushiwaka and kagayama, it's the fact that he's being sandwiched in between the 2. He probably feels like he's being strangled by the better player right in front of him (ushiwaka) and also the rising star behind him (kagayama).
This is an important detail. Maybe on the first watch, not knowing anything about Shiratorizawa, it is difficult to pick up that Oikawa’s number one rival ISN’T in fact Kageyama!
LMAO
Sarah we are not Volleyball Geniuses. Adam is explaining the importance and complexity of what they did and Sarah is like WELL DUH , OBVI....
hahhahahah
I hope Adam doesn't start talking less because of that 😔
Its always fun to see their dynamic
Sarah wants him to talk and be quiet at the same time. An odd dynamic xD
@@kingragnarok7302 It's called an abusive relationship
@@affable8696 those are the fun ones!
When you look at them in their third years in middle school, the single biggest difference between Oikawa and Kageyama was that Oikawa had Iwaizumi while Kageyama was alone. If Iwaizumi wasn't there, I could see Oikawa continuing to spiral much like Kageyama did. I can't wait to see how y'all react to the end of the season.
33:26
Adam: So final set to 15, correct?
Me: Nope! 💃
Sarah: Yup! :D
Sarah! 😭🤣🤣🤣 After four seasons! omg I love u sm 😂💖
And on Sarah’s first watch through, EVERY SINGLE MATCH that had a third set she’d be saying “this only goes to 15 right?”
lol it's such a foreign concept that the set would go to 25. It's just instinct that the tie breaker goes to 15
27:16 The thing is, the person that he (kageyama) looked up to is also a kid at that time, not an adult.. 2 years age gap? Yes and both are still in junior high. Maybe try to view this from Oikawa's perspective too? That's why we got his flashback so we could understand this from his perspective.. what is happening during that time, how is his mental state at that time, how did he overcome it etc.. Im just sad that people tend to overlook Oikawa struggles and pressure just because he's not the main character.. If you can understand kageyama struggles at the beginning of the season (when we get to see the flashback of him lashing out to his teammates during games in junior high) it's the same thing here with Oikawa. 🤗
Agreed. Oikawa here is younger than Kageyama at the beginning of the show
@@mansfaye1084 also kageyama is a socially inept individual with strong mental fortitude (complete opposite of Oikawa who is socially adept but have fragile mental state). Kageyama, He can't read the room, he is very awkward as person and it was even worst in junior high.. So at that moment, I think most people would've avoided Oikawa (coz he obviously looks like he is in bad mood after having bad game performance, getting switched abruptly and he is not in the right headspace) it was very obvious too that's why Iwaizumi was there to check on him. But kageyama being kageyama (i guess) he just want to approach his senpai and he was only thinking about volleyball and nothing else..
Obviously now in high-school you can see their growth. Kageyama learning to be more in tune with the people around him; how his teammates feel etc. For example, you can see in ep 5/6? before the practice match with aoba johsai kageyama met Suga after school and asked Suga if he is ok with him being the official setter in that match. He also apologize to Suga for taking his place when he is only first year.. Now, you don't see him apologize to Oikawa during junior high when he replaced him didn't you.. (not that he need to) but just to compare kageyama attitude during junior high and high school and his character developments and as for Oikawa he's acknowledging kageyama as a great setter (much better than him , tho he's still lacking in experience) He is also much more confident with his own skills compared to before when he feel absolute crushed by his "non-talented" self.
kids make mistakes and they learn from it. The 'animosity' between kageyama and Oikawa only exist during that time in junior high before and when he almost hit kageyama. After that, it was only snippy remark with no animosity like how Tsukishima is with kageyama most of the time.
Thissssss
29:00 They did look at it from Oikawa's perspective. You just don't like that it (rightly or wrongly) didn't change their minds.
@@mediocrewumbo2953 babe i know lol.. i pause at those minute to comment and continue; that's why the second comment i wrote more about my opinion on oikawa and kageyama 🤗 tbh, I'm just confused as why Sarah hate Oikawa so much and not sympathise with the kid struggles at all. She's so cold when it comes to oikawa 😂😂😂
The comment section is doing a good job of demonstrating the complexity and polarity concerning the character of Oikawa, lol. I think the fact that people have such varying, yet still well-supported and valid, opinions of him and his actions, development, motivations, etc. is proof of how well-written a character he is.
In my opinion, Haikyu excels as a show not because of the accuracy and passion behind the volleyball depictions, or the pure hype it manages to build up (although those are huge parts as well of course), but because of the character writing; Oikawa is one of the prime examples of that. He might be my favourite character in the show, actually, due to the potential for character analysis and study of his psychology. That is different than liking him on a personal level - in real life, I would probably hate his personality lol. He can be rude, pompous, and childish at times. But I can understand, and empathize with, his motivations and fears and how they drive his actions and shape his personality. Ahead of him is the insurmountable Shiratorizawa, and behind him is Kageyama’s encroaching genius; he is confronted with the idea that, despite everything he tries to do or how hard he works, even the upper limits of his ability might never be enough.
After his breakdown and Iwaizumi’s help, he seems to counterbalance this fear with the idea that it’s not just him - there are six players on the court, and he will be the best setter by bringing them all up to their full potential, thereby achieving both team and individual success. When he wins the Best Setter award, he says that of course he is happy to receive it, but also says it is proof their spikers gave it their all. He is largely ego-driven, sure, but does genuinely understand and appreciate the contributions of the whole team.
Maybe it's because I'm not an athlete, but I found Oikawa's situation super relatable and overall added to the complexity of his character. Surface level interactions with him make him seem superficial and unserious, but slowly we get to learn that there is no one else from his team more dedicated to the sport and his fellow players than him, and that's why he's captain. Even though they went to the same middle school, Kageyama wasn't ever a starter while Oikawa was still there (looked like a larger team given the fact that it was a volleyball powerhouse school), so it's not like they played together all too much, and given their age gap they didn't have significant time nor reason to build teamwork together. Added onto Oikawa's very realistic feelings of inadequacy - having lost to Ushiwaka's school for all three years of middle school - combined with his insane motivation to win, the 'genius first year setter' hot on his heels coming by to ask how to jump serve in that */specific/* moment where he's frustratingly working through a loss to an opponent he can't seem to ever win against, just tipped him over the edge. Personally, and this is where my not being an athlete may come into play, I wouldn't feel very generous about helping someone I barely knew who may be my own competition down the road get ahead with some tips that I painstakingly worked hard to learn myself, especially if it was someone I didn't like. I'd reason that hey, he's a genius already, surely he'd figure it out himself or ask elsewhere (and that's what Kageyama did - learn it himself by watching Oikawa. Their pre-serve routines are both very similar). I know there's generous souls like Suga and good sportsmanship bettering each other to improve the sport by bettering the quality of the players etc. etc. and Oikawa could totally be as magnanimous as Suga and help out, but it was just damn, wrong time and place to ask, Kageyama! He's not the most socially aware or adept lol.
Oikawa's subsequent childishness and whimsical attitude is his coping mechanism, I truly believe that. On top of working his ass off trying to beat these so-called geniuses. His team has been 2nd place for nigh SIX years now in high school. He doesn't get opportunities to go to nationals to be scouted, to show off his team he's so proud of like the first place team. I'm not saying anyone has to like his behavior or encourage it, but I'm saying that he does his job as a team member very well and he knows when to toe the line for when his childishness would go too far for his team. His team members know him well enough to know that his attitude doesn't affect his performance and function on the court, and he excels on the court. We've seen how quickly he captures the essence of players' personalities on court to psychologically understand the flow of the game.
I wrote an essay lol! But Oikawa's character arc is a huge passion of mine, it's just written out so well (for parts even past what Sarah has seen). I'll save my other comment for the season finale but, if I may suggest - if Adam could speak more about his thoughts? I think a few times this episode it seemed like Sarah moved the conversation along faster when I thought Adam had some more to flesh out. Sarah, I love your commentary dearly! BUT! We had your thoughts in the first go-about and Adam's addition from his background experience means more thoughts to tap into for this time :)
I feel like ignoring Oikawa’s mental position of feeling insecure in his ability is kind of unfair. I feel like it makes him a very relatable character, just because we shouldn’t compare ourselves we do, and in a show with a lot of “genius” players I feel like it makes it realistic. I don’t like the take of “well that’s his problem” :/
I AGREE OMG i furious bcs sarah said something like that. if it's ennoshita from karasuno she would defend him, but if it's oikawa? nope, she despises him 100%
@@kagurraThat's kinda baseless accusation. Her dislike towards Oikawa is based on his behaviour. If it was Ennoshita behaving like that, she would dislike Ennoshita. Generally, everyone's opinions on Oikawa are so different, because his personality is in the grey zone of what's socially acceptable for many people. But people mostly agree that it makes him very interesting character for the story.
I feel like Oikawa is a misunderstood character, yet he is probably the most relatable character in the entire show. Oikawa aspires to be great at playing volleyball, so he works unbelievably hard as an individual with his spartan jump serve routines and as a team player, getting 100% out of his teammates, yet it's never enough. His skills are impressive, so much so that even Sarah can overcome her dislike for him and give him his flowers. However, if you analyze his strengths you will reach the core of why his character is a tragic one. The show makes a very clear point that Kageyama is just on a completely different level than Oikawa as a setter, his natural abilities eclipsing Oikawas efforts. There is a pre-match sequence that put's this without words perfectly: as Kageyama lays on his bed practicing sets, Oikawa is awake, watching Karasuno's previous match to prep. This isn't just a work ethic thing, Kageyama also works hard but he trusts his abilities enough to just wait for game day, while Oikawa is obsessing over every little detail, because if it weren't the case, he wouldn't stand a chance against Kageyama. Oikawa's second core strength is his profound knowledge of his teammates tendencies, what is their mental like? what tosses do they like? what do they excel at individually? He has to resort to this, not only because he is a good teammate but because he understands that he can't really get much more out of himself as a setter, probably already having found his natural limits. Oikawa's last strength is his killer serve, since he already is doing his best as a setter, teammate and analyzing the game to the best of his abilities, he brute forces himself to be able to jump serve reliably, to the point of overworking himself just to get an edge. If you put all these qualities together, you should have a superstar setter, but in reality that's only Oikawa's barrier to entry, in the end, he is just an ordinary guy desperatly reaching for a talent he simply doesn't posses in a sport he clearly loves. That's why Kageyama is so threatening to Oikawa; for Oikawa, Kageyama is a ticking bomb, it's not a matter of if he will be surpassed by him, but when; for Kageyama, his little rivalry with Oikawa is merely a stepping stone to a bigger stage, and Oikawa knows this. That's when Oikawa's silly attitude comes full circle, he's a bit of a joker outwardly but he must be misserable inside knowing that he cannot live up to the aspirations he has for himself.
Everything you said is completely correct, but Oikawa isn't misunderstood. People understand the things you said well enough. I'm pretty sure Sarah and Adam understand them. Some people just don't like Oikawa and that's that.
@@mediocrewumbo2953 This! Oikawa has most people in fandom running to his defense a second someone says they don't like him, but people still have a gall to call him The most misunderstood in Haikyuu. Just look at the comments, Oikawa fans flooded them again, but nooo, no one understands their poor baby, just them. Tons of them.
@@ZaytsinaYolka yeah, Oikawa Defense Squad is out in full force today
Kageyama Stan over here :V
what a great explanation. especially about how different is retaionship from oikawa to kageyama and from kageyama to oikawa. i didnt think about that, and you are completely right. for oikawa its almost the biggest rivalry in his life, for kageyama its just a hard step that he is sure he will pass
Phew! Ah, I do love those reactions, but really "It's his problem, he did it to himself" kind of talk about Oikawa's insecurities had me gritting my teeth. With all the love and respect in my heart; NOT how mental health works! Especially mental health of teenagers! Yeah, it's obvs not Kageyama's fault! Oikawa still needed help at that moment and it's normal that without it his mental health deteriorated (because of stress, pressure and insecurities) to the point of having a panic attack (as others already pointed out, he wasn't in his right mind when he tried to hit Kagyama, was shocked with himself after Iwaizumi stopped him and apologized right after). Not having the natural ability to deal with those things at that age is not his fault. He was basically let down by the adults in his life (cough cough his coach).
Yes, we have to remember these are teenagers.
This is going to be an unpopular position to take :) I agree that his "arrogance" is fueled by his insecurities. I also acknowledge that this is a very common thing that most people face in their life in one way or another. Something I have personally dealt with, albeit maybe not to the same levels. We all make decisions that are not great and make mistakes in different situations, however I believe you are also always responsible for your own actions. You don't bury a kid for his one off actions, and I agree ideally you have an adult (coach) step in and guide and mentor in this positions. But it's still not a great reaction on his part and he definitely needs to learn and grow from the situation. The key is do you learn from the situations where you are not happy with your decisions or do you keep making the same mistakes. I'm the only person that doesn't know lol.
This is definitely not a mental health issue it is a personality issue. Oikawa is insecure. Period. He gets jealous of people with natural talent and needs to appreciate the skills he has.
@@user-rc9lh6pc7r Just like physical heatlh doesn't refer to just treating illnesses but also preventing them and... you know, heath in general, the same goes for mental health. If a kid is a little shy and has troubles speaking in front of a class, it's a personality quirk. If said shyness starts to make them have troubles speaking at all and be scared of interacting with people, it might be developing into social anxiety. If a 15 y/o is so insecure that he starts dangerously overworking himself, has a panic attack and almost hurts another kid, despite never being violent before, then it's clearly becoming a problem he needs help with.
@@anisecandy3108 But this behaviour happens regularly in the real world. To me this behaviour is similar to people bullying individuals who are more talented than them. Instead of physically abusing them they psychologically abuse. It not a mental health issues. It based on perspective. Oikawa needs to change his perspective, in which he does due to iwazumi. He should focus on what he does best, which is understanding his temmmates. He didn't need a therapist for this, just a different perception of himself and situation.
23:37 I saw something like "Oikawa tried to hit Kageyama~" in the comments, so I'd like to add a little bit. I think the exact scene is that he is trying to brush Kageyama off with a big sideways motion of the back of his hand, as if to shake off a phantom. Well, I think he would have ended up hitting him if there had been contact because of the momentum, but I'm not sure if he was attempting to touch him or not. I thought it was a little different from "trying to hit him."
23:50 "Don't come... Don't come..." "Don't come over here!"
By the way, these words are the voice in Oikawa's mind. He didn't say them out loud. (Confirmed by the manga.)
Looking at the situation objectively at this time, Oikawa was silently and unconsciously trying to brush Kageyama off and was stopped by Iwaizumi. So, Kageyama did not know what was going on. It was hard to understand in the anime, so I hope this helps.
"Thats an insecurity issue... he was the starter, he was the captain of the team, he was given every opportunity.... its a him problem"
Even if you are the most perfect person in the whole world I bet the feeling of insecurity may come up every now and then. You also can't expect that just because Oikawa has all this things in front of him doesn't make him immune to that feeling especially if he is surrounded by geniuses like Kageyama and Ushiwaka.
Everyone has insecurities. Not everyone takes those insecurities out on other people.
@@t3cchan Not everyone could handle insecurities especially if that person is literally a teenager going through some rough times without an adult to consult to.
@@misaki_v Yep, agreed. Oikawa definitely couldn't navigate the situation on his own.
Look, I'm not saying Oikawa isn't a realistic character. In fact, I think he's one of the best written in the series.
But compare Oikawa to Asahi for example. Both of these characters face deep insecurities within themselves. But one of them responds by lashing out at others, while the other responds by retreating into himself. Obviously most people will find Oikawa a lot less likeable due to how he responds to his insecurities. And I think that's totally reasonable.
@@t3cchan Asahi was older when that happened and they have very different outlook on what volleyball is to them but I agree with you. Its just the way she explains his whole insecurity like Oikawa isnt allowed to have that feeling bcoz of xyz and sadly it just rub me the wrong way. Even Adam atleast understood why he was feeling all that.
@@misaki_v I don't think she was saying he isn't ALLOWED to feel like that. It's more just that Oikawa being insecure, or being a teenager, does not absolve him of all personal responsibility for his actions.
It literally is a him problem, since different people respond differently to pressure. Someone else in Oikawa's shoes would not have reacted the same way. This response to pressure is something Oikawa specifically needs to work on, and we see that he has taken great strides between middle school and high school.
I agree that Oikawa's feelings are not Kageyama's fault, not that anyone blames him, but that doesn't make his feelings invalid. At that scene, Oikawa was clearly having a mental breakdown. The red perspective and the look on his face after realizing what he almost did was a dead giveaway. He have 3 years worth of frustrations from being second best, as he said, they never even won a set from that specific opponent. He has even reached a point that he's overworking himself, the point is he's doing his best to overcome that opponent and be able to participate in the national tournament and the more he tries, the more painful each defeat comes. As a 14 or 15 year old kid, insecurity is inevitable at that point (he's a teenager, it's normal).
For all his plaudits, we've seen how self-aware Oikawa is (maybe not so much as a middle schooler), so being faced with the immense talent of Kageyama and subsequently being replaced in a game/practice match will be like a nail in the coffin. Again, it is not Kageyama's fault rather, I think the blame should go to the middle school coach who had both of them and never made anything out of it. There's a parallel of conflict between what happened in Oikawa and Kageyama's third year of middle school. The lack of guidance breeding that environment is apparent. Oikawa thinks that he needs to get better so that the team can win and go to nationals while Kageyama thinks that he is so good that his teammates should just follow him so they can win and play more volleyball.
In the end, they both got their lessons the hard way. Oikawa's growth is then shown as he said that "This award is proof that our spikers gave it all they had" upon receiving the Best Setter Award. He did not make the award about himself, instead, it shows how much he thinks highly and values his hitters. Lastly, it seems like Kageyama does not even remember that night encounter with Oikawa, so there was barely any impact to him (bless his innocence). Oikawa was still immature after though. Unfortunately for Kageyama, his middle school mistakes seemed to haunt not just him but also Kindaichi. It is a small detail but I get sad every time Kindaichi reacts each time he notices some growth or change in Kageyama. He's wondering if what he did in middle school was wrong but the truth is that he has been the trigger for Kageyama's self-awareness no matter how traumatic that game was for them.
At this point Sarah is just looking for reasons to hate Oikawa lol
Indeed. This is the very only thing I really dislike about her reaction videos. I really can sense that Adam is objective about Oikawa and doesn't totally hate him at all. It just still surprises me Sarah's seemingly the only one among all others who reacted to Haikyuu to really hate Oikawa.
Well its an anime people who watch will support the main cast. But to be honest its her second watch so she should have been a little bit objective and not much biased with her fav main cast
She does not voluntarily tries to fully understood oikawa imo.
Dont get me wrong she said she respected Oikawa and that's fine but could you really respect someone without fully understanding them?
@@silentsh1nx223 To be fair, it's absolutely possible to understand Oikawa and still not like him. I, for once, would be totally OK with him as a teammate, but I wouldn't want to be friends with him
@@dishka3452
I can respect and be professional but i dnt have to be friends with him.
~ sarah
It’s always so fun to see discussions about this episode in particular; it’s definitely one of the most polarising in the series.
I think viewing Oikawa’s flashback from Kageyama’s POV like you did is very interesting as not many people tend to do that. You’re definitely right in that for Kageyama - with his love for the sport - it would be devastating to ask for help from your senior and for them to physically lash out like that unprovoked. Thankfully Iwaizumi intervened, and honestly Kageyama is so dense that I don’t even think he realised what was about to happen since he doesn’t actually seem to bear any resentment towards Oikawa in that way.
I think Adam’s point about “success and insecurity” doing strange things to a kid’s mindset is crucial, but honestly it’s more about Oikawa’s lack of success here. For two years his middle school team has repeatedly failed at the same wall and he has nothing to show for it, and we then see him continuously overworking himself to improve so that they can finally beat Shiratorizawa, to the point where Iwa has tried to call him out on it multiple times.
Then on top of that immense pressure he’s putting on himself as he’s trying to push forward through that wall as team captain, there’s now this new kid at the club who’s a volleyball prodigy… and while Kageyama’s all sweet and innocent, he is just another source of pressure pushing against Oikawa from behind as well, as he sees the potential in his junior while being laserpoint focussed on his own shortcomings such that he spirals massively and that just all bubbles over in the worst possible way.
Its a good thing Iwa was there to (quite literally) beat some sense into him because the entire situation could have been irreparable without him, and his advice obviously worked since Oikawa managed to get back to a headspace where he could perform with his team again and even win the Best Setter award for the competition that year (even if he was still somewhat mean-spirited in his teasing to Kageyama afterwards). He definitely seemed shocked by his own actions at that point in time.
Honestly, that school might have the single-worst coach in the entire show. Like, how can you even let Oikawa spiral that far when it’s so obvious he’s putting so much pressure on himself - and then also make a similar mistake with Kageyama in his final year?
It makes me so sad that we get a flashback from Oikawa’s pov to understand him as a middle schooler, with the immense pressure to be the best and compete with a younger kid who is deemed a prodigy, a genius. He is so stressed, to the point of finally breaking down. He seems horrified when he realizes he almost hit Kageyama. Yet, people still look at it from Kageyama’s pov: still judge Oikawa harshly.
They judge him harshly because no matter what sort of personal struggles one is dealing with, its still no excuse to almost assault another person, especially one of your teammates. Kageyama completely idolized Oikawa. Imagine fanboying over someone on your team and then having them take a swing at you, and you have no idea why. The poor thing still kept trying to ask his senpai for help, and Oikawa gave him nothing. I love Oikawa as a character, so I can sympathize with his struggles with insecurity. Hell, I can even empathize, because I struggle with that a lot myself. It will still never be acceptable for him to attack Kageyama over that. You can understand where Oikawa is coming from, and still critique his actions for being out of line.
@@withxoutxlifea 14/15 year old having a mental breakdown almost backhands another student then immediately apologies its “assault” but when other players on every team literally get into fights/altercations no one ever says assault 😬 They’re KIDS no one says Iwaizumi assaults Oikawa when he headbutts him in the face moments later 😂
@@BornNguyeneryou are definitely right but I do think there is a difference between the hit from iwaizumi and the one Oikawa was going to do as Iwaizumi is Oikawa’s friend and they have that type of relationship with each other, but the Oikawa one was out of anger and no part of it was wanting better for Kageyama. Like I can punch my friend in the shoulder and it not be an issue but if I do it to a stranger yes it is assault. It is even more so going to be seen it if it was someone I disliked
@marc68521 a hit is a hit no matter what their relationship is. Also that headbutt that he did made Oikawa bleed from his nose so its not really a "friendly" one. Bottomline is, I'm glad Oikawa never really hurt Kageyama and realized his mistake.
@@marc68521 the point I’m making is there are many many altercations in the show and literally no one cries assault except for Oikawa x Kageyama when the other fights are MUCH more physical. I don’t condone the violence but kids will be kids and boys will be boys fights happen. But to nitpick a backhanded slap that never even makes contact and once Oikawa even realizes what he almost does he apologizes is silly to me.
I think that Sarah may never understand Oikawa bcoz she is pretty much a "Kageyama" herself (which they have acknowledge btw). Someone who is naturally born talented may never experience the struggles of what a "normal" person trying to become great like Oikawa does.
Edit: omg chill guys no need to fight here 😂
Fair point. Hopefully this is mi consuelo de pataranta for kinda giving up on Sarah to convince her to not completely hate Oikawa 😭
yeah is so wild she genuinely hates him and can't accept one single good thing about him
it's funny because she dislike him for being childish but she gets even more childish by being so stubborn
Fr. That's what I was thinking too. Oikawa is for us normies who struggle to reach the top but Sarah is an innate talent kinda person so she'll never relate to Oikawa's struggles. I wanted her to like him so badly but I can definitely see why she misconstrues him most of the time😭
[kita shinsuke has entered the chat.] sarah might have innate talent, but it's not like she doesn't work hard or struggle for what she's gotten. i don't think it's fair to say that she can't understand the hard work and effort it takes in the struggle to reach the top. she may not empathize with oikawa, and part of it might very well be that she was the kind of legendary player the oikawas of her world were trying to beat -- but i would not say it's because she simply can't understand the struggle. talent without immense effort and sacrifice does not make a world champion.
Just wanted to clear something up for Tsukishima's sake, since the translation was not in his favor:
11:38 (discussion related to it at 11:55~) 「な~んかいずそうな打ち方だなぁ、月島…」→ "Tsukishima's not hitting it with all he's got" isn't the best translation. I believe「いずい」is a northern Japan dialect that means something like "Doesn't feel right / Doesn't fit / Feels uncomfortable", so a more literal translation would be like "The way Tsukishima's hitting seems like it's really uncomfortable for some reason...". so it's not so much that Ukai thinks Tsukishima's "not hitting with all he's got (11:58)" intentionally, but more that Tsukishima appears to be uncomfortable & UNABLE to make the best of his hits for some reason.
For Oikawa, even though I felt bad for Kageyama, I actually pity Oikawa a lot more during that flashback. He had pushed himself into a corner and was suffering pretty badly. And when he attempted to hit Kageyama...it was partially out of anger, but mostly out of fear. At that moment, he was *terrified* of Kageyama and what he represented - because all Oikawa saw was how he wasn't good enough and would never be good enough. It wasn't true, of course, but it shows just how low of a place Oikawa was at.
Of course, Iwazumi was thankfully there to break him out of it. And it was that which allowed Oikawa to grow even more. In a way, I actually respect and trust Oikawa more because of what he went through. He knows what it is like to be trapped in your own head, to feel afraid and insecure, and to understand what is most important for self-improvement.
On the topic of Iwazumi being a better captain...I disagree. I think Oikawa has the charisma, observation skills, and overall dedication that makes him better suited for the role. Iwazumi is just a tad too rough around the edges, too blunt, and can't really tie a team together. But he is also the perfect foil for Oikawa.
(Of course, Oikawa is certainly far more immature. Which can be a negative in a leadership position. But as long as he knows when it is and isn't okay, I think he can still make it work.)
Anyways, that's just what I think. Admittedly, I have basically no experience in team sports, so my thoughts probably don't have much weight haha. I just wanted to share my perspective :)
Wow this might be the first time I disagree with Sarah on something 😅
Yes Oikawa should not have lashed out at Kageyama a persons mental health issues are not an excuse for violence. That being said he’s going through a clear mental breakdown and to just say you’re the captain and starter your insecurities are a you problem I just can’t agree with it. I don’t think we should just blame a 14/15 year old boy for having insecurities and not being taught proper ways to handle what he perceives as his failures! (We can see this in his language before Iwaizumi headbutts some sense into him and he changes his volleyball philosophy “I want to win I want to go to nationals.” I’m not good enough) This fundamentally comes down to a failure in his coaches in my opinion they have never won a single set vs Shiratorizawa and this coaching staff has done NOTHING they were hands off with Oikawa and hands off with Kageyama when he was a 3rd year as well! There is no reason why these KIDS should be feeling this pressure. Like the middle school coaches suck they have TWO generational setters in the prefecture with Oikawa and Kageyama and didn’t produce anything from it they should be fired just based on results let alone failing to develop them as humans 😂 If there was a Takeda or Ukai there coaching Oikawa and Kageyama neither of them would have ever reached their breaking points, but then we wouldn’t get the beautiful story of Haikyuu that we have currently 😅
Oikawa and Kageyama were victims of bad middle school coaching and they both should have had counseling or therapy. We should not handwave a persons mental struggles just because they’re talented, skilled, good looking or whatever other positive thing you perceive them as we all struggle and that’s why Oikawa is the most human character in this show👏👏👏
The conflict between Oikawa and Kageyama in middle school surely left a bitter taste in the mouth, but I think at this point, the best thing is that they both seemed to have grown out of it.
Oikawa may look a little cocky for making fun of Kageyama when Kageyama ask him how to serve, but you can tell that it's Oikawa's way to laugh it off. Oikawa couldn't bring himself to teach Kageyama, but he tried to not let his anger get the better of him.
And Kageyama? He's learning to interact with his teammate better, and read other people better, which is good for him!
In the end of this episode, Oikawa perceived Kageyama's growth, but he wasn't irritated by it. Instead, he showed eagerness, he genuinely wondered what would happen in the last set. And that, I believe, is the sign that the competition between Oikawa and Kageyama already turned from toxic to pretty healthy now.
I got to say the kitagawa coach has to be the worst coach in this series, he almost ruined both oikawa and kageyama, sure his reason for subbing them out was perfectly fine, but he didn't provide the proper guidance to them afterwards, if not for iwaizumi and karasuno both oikawa and kageyama was likely going to slip deeper down with the problems they had.
and with oikawa, yes his insecurities got the better of him, but understandably he was been pincered at both ends, with a wall he couldn't overcome whatsoever, and then with kageyama showing up growing at a rate that looks like he could overtake him at anytime
Spoilers ahead for manga:
also knowing what kageyama was going through around this time man that coach not giving proper guidance really makes me furious
This coach has the two BEST setters in the prefecture and doesn’t go to nationals once in 6 years it’s ridiculous. Instead of coaching Oikawa and teaching him that it’s not his fault that they’re losing to Ushijima it’s a team issue and not using Kageyama as an opportunity to teach Oikawa how to nurture a younger player Oikawa goes through a mental breakdown. THEN 2 years later you don’t manage to tell that Kageyama is going through struggles also and needs coaching instead you have his entire team hate him FIRE THIS COACH he doesn’t deserve a job especially knowing the caliber of players that Oikawa and Kageyama become under proper coaching in the future
@@BornNguyener 100 percent
@@BornNguyener THIS! And even worst Kitaichi coach is older and more experienced compared Ukai Jr and Takeda, who both are very novice as volleyball coaches yet they knew how to handle Kageyama. It always amaze me how young Ukai and Takeda were able to create such supportive environment for their team but still push them to always be competitive without being toxic.
I think it’s interesting yalls perspective on oikawa. On yalls teams when y’all were younger were yall the best player? Because I think the reason a lot of us like oikawa is because we know the feeling of not being blessed with amazing skills and physiques and working so hard only to keep coming in second place. It’s a frustration that is hard to understand at that age which at this oikawa was 15ish in the flashback. That frustration increases when he realizes it’s not just one person in the whole district but also in his school he can’t even be the best.
That's the point! Literally everyone experience anger and frustration in their lives, but not everyone react the way Oikawa did. Even if something bad happened to you, it doesn't give you a carte blanche to hurt others. What happened was understandable, yes, but still not OK.
We have to give Adam a pat on his back on how smoothly the names of the teams and the players now roll off his tongue. When he remarked how "unfair" it was that Sarah knows all the names of everyone in the show, I laughed. I am sure Adam will get there and be like Sarah when we get "Season 3 of The Sarah and Adam Reaction to Haikyuu featuring Sarah's parents", who were both sports people in the past lol.
Love it when you acknowledge how massive it is for Kageyama to learn to let go of his control and acknowledge Tsukki's input. Not many reactors realized how big this moment is. And yes, Suga from this moment on will always be the proud parent of the 1st years but esp for Kageyama.
I want Adam to talk from coach point of view, how he would handle Oikawa insecurity, because let's be clear, that middle school coach was horrible...
Sarah, please let Adam speak more, and not just cut him, when he try to explain it to us with "OBVIOUSLY-!"
That aside..
What I really love in this episode is that, Tanaka approach Kageyama for highfive after he realize Kageyama try to be more social with the team 😢😢
BEST SENPAI❤❤
Kageyama is less popular than other setters among Haikyuu's fans. But for those who finally see that he is honestly just a good boy who is socially inept. He just need a good role model. And gratefully Sugawara finally come into picture and show him how to deal with the team, what is the meaning of being teammates. Things that he never got anyone taught him in middle school. Karasuno is a really good support system for Kageyama.
I actually cannot believe I'm watching someone watch a show I like TWICE. That's just how much Adam adds to this. I'll also take the opportunity to wish you well, especially now in a new stage of your life/career. Cheers.
I don't specifically play volleyball but I can relate to Oikawa because I can work so hard to get to where I'm at and be proud of it, but it can feel pretty defeating to have someone especially younger than you who on top of everything also has been gifted natural abilities (being seen as a genius or prodigy) to be good at the same sport (or academics). It can feel like all the hard work you went through and it's still not enough. Obviously almost hitting Kageyama wasn't good at all but I'm glad that Oikawa has a best friend like Iwaizumi to hold him accountable and steer him in a better direction. We have to understand that they're essentially still in middle school (junior high) and they're only teenagers. It can be a lot of pressure and Oikawa was overworking himself to the point of having a panic attack and mental breakdown and didn't even realize he was about to hit Kageyama.
I think Oikawa acting immature towards Kageyama later on shows growth because he's not letting the panic and anxiety takeover him anymore. In fact, he wants to beat Kageyama because he acknowledges his abilities. It's basically a compliment to Kageyama's skills.
I think there are so many hard working players in Haikyu, but I personally think Oikawa is THE hardest working player. He essentially has to work twice as hard to try to be on the same playing field to match up against Ushijima and Kageyama who have natural abilities and are considered geniuses. He's seen as "cocky and arrogant" but really he's confident in his abilities because he knows he's put in the effort and work to get to where he is. Oikawa gets misunderstood alot because of the whimsical and childish way that he acts and he can come off as someone who "thinks he's better than everyone". But there is not a single thing more far from the truth. I didn't realize all this until my second watch through.
SPOILER:
And after all his hard work through the years, Oikawa still couldn't make it to nationals and that's what makes his story arc so tragic and relatable.
I believe others may have commented on this, so sorry if I am repeating the same info, but when Oikawa goes to swing his arm to hit Kageyama, it is not to hit Kageyama's body, but the ball out of his hands - a physical rejection of Kageyama's request. Or at least that is from what it seems like to me from the movement and positioning of the action. This is why this action (while not good) did not put me off Oikawa (since it wasn't physical violence), but rather just made me realize that he is still young and going through many things, too.
I love the Oikawa-appreciation in the comments!! Hope they read all the accurate comments about Oikawa. Keep in mind that he's in middle school during the confrontation with Kageyama. He's a kid with insecurities. He really didn't mean to try to hit him, the face after he realized it says it all. He's one of the most relatable characters in the show. Oikawa the GOAT!! Also, props to Iwaizumi, probably another underrated character and athlete in the whole show!
It’s so funny to see Sarah being a know-it-all, getting frustrated at Adam about missing details in the show.. She basically like us, the viewers, during her first run of the series. 😂😂😂
Love it when Adam goes for the pause to make an observation/prediction, shows how much into the show he is now! 🎉 Love that shirt Sarah’s wearing.
6:00 just noticed that Kageyama aimed for the Libero on his first serve back, just like Oikawa aimed at Nishinoya, but Kageyama one-upped Oikawa by actually getting the point.
Noya is too good
Of course Oikawa would still have his thing with Kageyama because he views Kageyama as one of the destined opponents to beat. This alone shows that Oikawa acknowledges Kageyama’s ability very well enough and he never disrespects him but instead he told Kageyama front on that he would one day beat him on the court through volleyball.
For the incident in middle school, of course it wasn’t Kageyama’s fault just as you said in the vid, he’s just a kid who loves volleyball and wants to improve. Yet, Oikawa himself was also a teenager working his ass off trying to break through two high walls, Ushijima and Kageyama. He was only 15 and was lost at that stage of his life (not saying it is rightful for him to almost hit Kag in the face) but what if you try to change up the point of view and put yourself into his shoes? If you could obviously view the incident from Kag’s POV then why not from Oikawa’s?
Maybe because I feel Oikawa was too proud to like admit defeat I guess. He has been told that he shouldve gone to shiratorizawa but he won't. It's kinda his own fault that he got stuck there, and Kageyama was not even a mountain back then. Although this episode did soften Oikawa a bit, I still feel that he was too proud and arrogant as a character, though he's fun to watch
He didnt even know he was hitting Kageyama, he was spiralling and had a break down and was trying to protect himself from what he thought to be danger. He even looks so shocked and says a quick small “im sorry” when he realizes what he’s done.
@@Intersectingstuff If he would admit defeat then it will probably be over for him. Him not accepting defeat is what drives him to try everything to win with his mind games, to good observation skills, acknowledging that he cannot give pinpoint tosses, making perfect serves in tense situtation, understanding his teammates and using them to best of their ability. What seems proud and arrogant, in sports many great player's self confidence come from this proudness only even if you look irl. I think he is one of the best character in haikyuu.
@@cozydaydreamss yeah totally. I never said he intended to hit Kageyama, poor him was on the verge of breakdown.
@@Intersectingstuff Oikawa has all the right to be proud because that’s how good he is.
Being proud of himself and being “arrogant” are two totally different things. Being arrogant wouldn’t allow him to admit that Kageyama has better talents than him when it comes to pinpoint tossing; being arrogant wouldn’t make him feel so stressed and nervous when it comes to either Kageyama or Ushijima; last but not least, being arrogant would NEVER drive him to practice as hard as he could to be better. Being arrogant is meaning Oikawa would think of himself as the best but that’s never the case for him, all he ever wants is to be a better self.
*SPOILER ALERT*
And to be honest, Oikawa should never go to Shiratorizawa because of Ushijima. For such a talented and strong-minded setter as Oikawa, he would never be able to fully grow or to fully play his strengths there because with the team having Ushijima, Shiratorizawa only needs a setter who would wholeheartedly “serve” Ushijima instead of someone who could aggressively lead the team’s play, which is also why Shiratorizawa’s setter is Shirabu not Semi.
When Tobio realized, or, rather, was made aware, that Oikawa views him as a rival, it only pumped him up. It was the first player he'd met who was as talented and dedicated to the sport as Kageyama himself. Only after Oikawa left for high school his problems started. As he said a few episodes before, he thought he went to a great powerhouse school, but it was just that one amazing player that was great. Yes, he tries to beat Oikawa, but also in complete admiration of him, and will continue to learn from his techniques and repeat his moves (if you pay close attention to the gameplay). And I agree with people who say that coaches utterly fail them, by letting conflicts in the team to just escalate.
Also, about Iwaizumi being better suited to be captain, there is a chapter in the spin-off comedy manga Haikyuu-bu about why it's not that great of an idea, and Oikawa turned out to be a better one for the role :):):):)
Iwaizumi is like Seijoh's shadow capitain. Oikawa leads everyone else on the team around, but Iwaizumi is definitely the boss of Oikawa.
Oikawa's growth makes me tear up every time, especially considering the later chapters in the manga 🥹
lol I love that Oikawa lashed out only once and be seen as a asshole antagonist while Kageyama verbally abused teammates for years and still physically attacking Hinata everyday and still be see as a good boy.
Riiiiight?!
The power of tone my friend.
also, Iwaizumi. I love him, but it always bothers me that his violent attitude towards Oikawa is always given a pass. Just in this episode alone, Iwa kicked Oikawa in the SPINE, and seconds later HEADBUTTED him right in his nose. He drew blood, for crying outloud. if he hit the wrong place, he could've even broken Oikawa's nose or something! the reaction: Iwaizumi is such captain material, so mature! sorry, what?😐
and Oikawa is now even worse for having insecurities and experiencing a mental breakdown at 14/15 yo (i'm not saying him trying to hit Kageyama is justified in any way. just that people seem to hold Oikawa accountable of everything like he's a 30yo grown man that should know better, while giving everyone else with similar faults, Kageyama also included, a pass because they're kids.)
oh! just to be clear, i'm not talking just about Sarah's and Adam's reaction. i was talking about the reactors i've seen in general. they always laugh it up and praise Iwaizumi in this scene despite the problematic behaviour he displays. Yet, they never really take into consideration that Oikawa wasn't being his normal self here. it just bothers me that Oikawa's mental health is basically ignored and even used to attack him.😕
sorry for the long post, btw. your comment just really resonated with me.😅
@@lacievessbaskerville very true, I love Kageyama Oikawa Iwaizumi all of them, but I just dont like how many people ignore Kageyama and Iwaizumi's constant violence tendencies while thinking Oikawa is bad because of one single outburst.
i am alittle disapointed that even in the second watch through sarah was still oh poor kagayama in oikawas flash back. not even comenting on the fact that at that time Oikawa was so stressed and felt under pressure (because of constant losses to shiwatawiza and the addidtion of a prodigy first year setter) he was working himself half to death and despite his personality very out of character for him lashed out. i honestly think the people who sympathise with and like Oikawa understand his struggles and those who things come to more easilly just see him as an ass and cant understand his struggle and frustration
A lot of volleyball players in Haikyuu had had to deal with constant losses and insecurities, and no one lashed out at their juniors but Oikawa. He literally drove himself in a corner, but people really think his pride is something worth constant praises. No. It's his flow but him telling about 'my useless pride' to Ushiwaka sounded cool so people now believe it's a good thing.
@@ZaytsinaYolka i dont think its so much pride but realization of your own limitations. remember in the flashback Oikawa is 13/14 yo has a true passion for vollyball and worked his ass off to become a great player. its one thing to be constantly beaten by someone his own age that is naturally gifted(not taking away from ushiwakas own work ethic) but at the same time to have a 10/11yo Kageyama come in who Oikawa himself recognizes as a better player than him and being so frustrated knowing no matter how hard he trains and improves he will forever be a step behind such people for someone at that age would not only be a devistating realization but so frustrating.. and i think Kageyama asking to help him be even better was the straw that broke the camels back in the sence of your already better than me and you want me to teach you the one thing that gives me the edge over you.. immature yes but relatable and understandable especially since it was already shown he was pushing himself to hard and was not in a great mental state
@@nogarddragonkin Nothing relatable about to be cornered by no one but yourself to the point you accidentally try to physically assault someone. For me at least. He literally was one of the best, and it wasn't enough for him. He even thinks if his team lost it's all on him. Also it's ironic he had someone to help him out of that place of mind, he is lucky to have Iwaizumi. If not, he could end up similar to Kageyama, who was never been told out loud his sets are frustrating and was abandoned in the middle of the game. Oikawa could be the one (not that specific situation, but also some consequences), but he is so petty he wouldn't help a kid on his own team because he afraid this kid could surpass him eventually. Yes, it's not Oikawa's job, but he was bad teammate and sempai for Kageyama. Sugawara in this exact ep says couple of things to Kageyama and we see he is willing to listen. Oikawa wouldn't do that because he didn't think about future of his middle school team, only about his own frustration.
Everyone has insecurities. Not everyone takes those insecurities out on other people. This is the difference between someone like Oikawa and, say, Asahi.
It's crazy to see how people defend Oikawa as if Sarah was wrong saying that "The problem is with him", she is right and that doesn't change the fact that Oikawa is an incredible character! (It's even beautiful and inspiring to see his struggle against his own problems and insecurities)
I also can't understand people who just hate the
character and don't even try to understand him. Understanding him is good for you, it makes you enjoy a big part of the Anime which is the character itself. (Especially in the case of a character as deep as Oikawa)
How much Oikawa has moved me in this anime and made me evolve is indescribable and I feel sad for the people who won't absorb this simply because they hate the character.
In Haikyuu, unfortunately, this also happens a lot with Washijo, who is perhaps my favorite character (I can't decide for sure because I love them all)
Oikawa is not a genius but he is look up by lot of genius😭
Sarah please never change!❤ Your attitude & opinions are so refreshing and entertaining, so please don't let the comments get to you. Some oikawa fans don't seem to get that people can have different opinions and feelings and that it's ok to dislike certain characters :)
Of course it's ok to dislike any characters you want, but judging someone without fully understanding them is another thing.
@@tuongvycapricorn she is allowed to judge him based on what she's seen of him. All of us judge people without 100% knowing their backstory, it's normal. Ofc the manga might change her mind (and the timeskip in particular) but she hasn't read that so all she can do is form her opinion based on the anime. And she doesn't like what she's seeing. Which is a totally valid opinion. We judge based on our feeling so just bc YOU can relate to oikawa and feel like you know the "real" him doesn't mean that you're right or that she has to fall in line with your opinion. She has a different life experience so she reacts to him differently. It's weird to try and persuade her to change her opinion.
Oh yeah baby, this comment section is a court room! „Your honor, my client had a panic attack!“😂😂😂
It's great to see Adam be so verbose in this reaction! I was looking forward to this episode as a Tsukishima fan as it dug deeper into his dynamics with Kageyama. You guys didn't disappoint. 🖤
Oikawa clearly had a panic attack. You can see it clearly by watching the episode
I feel sorry for Oikawa, really. So many people ignored his pov. I know violence isn’t the answer, but he was breaking down at that point. Right in front of him is a huge wall that he could never beat down for several years, and right behind him is another tough wall closing in. Seriously 😢, at least Kageyama is only competing with himself and has no genius tailing after him till he graduated. Oikawa is only two years older, and at that time, he was 15. Just like what you said about Kageyama in junior high, his brain wasn’t really developed either.
Correction the 3rd Set actually goes to 25 not 15
Oikawa is an amazingly written character. Favorite in the series
Yup Iwaizumi is truly the captain material. But I think Oikawa became Captain not only overall skill wise he is better but also he has very good analytical mind and always one step ahead of everyone when it comes to reading the game.
But then Iwazumi is not captain material then Oikawa is. Two contradictory statement
@@mukulkansara1907 Not contradictory at all. I was giving my opinion on why Oikawa was chosen to be captain eventhough Iwaizumi is more mature, wise and know to handle problematic teammates like Oikawa and Mad Dog. I think both of them are suitable as captains. But my reasonings above are why I thought Oikawa was chosen as captain.
FYI - They play to 25 even in the third set! The show will tell you if they play a set to 15, otherwise you can assume it's to 25 😊
Everyone is going to talk about Oikawa but I would love to talk about how Kageyama's innocent uncomplex love of the game being showcased is just so similar to Hinata's innocent uncomplex love of the game too! I also really like that, while our biggest rival seems to be Seijoh/Oikawa, to see that they have someone they're rivals with (Shiratorizawa/Ushijima) low key gives us a glimpse at the reality of the sport. No one team is the best team - there are always more competitors around!
One of my favorite things about Fridays here in Australia is coming home from work and getting to relax and watch your reactions to my favorite anime. Thank you Sarah and Adam
I feel like sarah hates oikawa too much that she forgets what's positive about him. Oikawa's act towards kageyama in junior high is kinda relatable because of their age and their raging mentality to get better. I don't wanna spoil but there are some moments in the future episodes that'll show why oikawa is one of the best written haikyuu character
sometimes it is not the case of "forgeting whats positive" but rather "good does not justify the bad"
i mean, its not great metaphor for oikawa's case but when someone is a serial killer nobody looks at them and goes "yeah he killed all those victims but people forget that he donates to charity and helps in animal shelter on weekends". no, there is limits to how much bad can be justified by good and sometimes some things cant be ignored no matter how much good there is.
ofc as i said the example i made is extreme but metaphor stands, yes oikawa was in bad state of mind but that does not justify physical assault on someone younger than you nor is it an excuse that allow someone to be a-hole with a free pass.
I love oikawa but if anyone hates him it is completely justified cause there is lot of material to hate him for
@@frankcayseron8637 It’s not like Oikawa is the only one in Haikyuu that used force on others. If your standpoint is no physical force whatsoever then how come “Oikawa almost hit Kageyama is bad” but “Iwa kicked and head banged Oikawa/Kageyama verbally abused teammates for years and attacking Hinata are okay”?
Of course everyone has every right to hate on any character. But try to make your prejudice looks reasonable by comparing teenage issues to serial killer is just unreasonable.
@@frankcayseron8637 dude oikawa is a kid when he tried to hit kageyama. When you play competitive sports and it really takes a toll on someone to face that kind of pressure. It happens to many growing athletes all the time. It's a normal thing which i don't think need to be considered "evil".
@@chamomilechien3210 you are absolutelly correct in that my comparison is out of proporsion and exageration. i did state so myself cause i couldnt bother finding more accurate one due to me not seeing the purpose of finding one. the logic stands as long you can alienate the extremety of the issue and focus on paralels.
That being said, to address your other thing. difference between iwaizumi headbutting oikawa and oikawa trying to slap kageyama is in the context. firstly iwa and oikawa are childhood friends so there is level of trust formed. ofc it is not ok that iwa headbutted oikawa but there is trust between friend that states you wont run to court every time you have disagreements. as for kags being verbally abusive, that still fits into friendship clause up to the point where he goes overboard in season4 when its addressed so i think you already know answer to that one but lacked better examples so we are on the same boat with that :)
TL:DR yes you are right those examples are also not ok but there are things that are forgivable but attacking someone two years younger than you unwaranted and unprovoked is objectively more wrong than any other abuse portrayed in anime is not amongs them
@@Alex-ud4tl absolutely, i am not labeling it as evil, i am labeling it as mental weakness. i never said his assault came from place of malice but rather mental insecurity nor did i say oikawa is horrible human being. but yes i admit these are some things that could be "concluded" due to my extreme metaphor so i take the blame on that.
I did say though that i love oikawa as character and his mental state plays big part to why i find him interesting. but no i dont think that stuff validates or justifies everything so its absolutely fair game to not like him
I love how Haikyuu develops the characters of both teams, diving in the past of them, showing their motivations, the reason why they act like that. Be ready, Adam, there's a lot more to come.
I think this is the point when you realize Oikawa's "cocky" attitude is just a defense mechanism for his extreme inferiority complex. Adding to his extreme inferiority complex I think he doesn't mean to try and hit Kageyama in that backstory we can see from his pov where his headspace was really dark probably hallucinating from his complex, stress and overwork. He was seeing things and try to push what he thought was just hallucinations. We can see his shock after Iwaizumi snaps him back to reality.
Since adam is a coach he's going to love ushijima
It's easy to blame past Oikawa.
but I wonder what Adam would say if Adam's student was under too much pressure like Oikawa,overworked, and suffering from both mentally and physically?🫥🫧
Their junior high school coach was ineffective, so I'd like to hear Adam's opinion🫠
Yeaaah Oikawa was out of line, but he was a middle schooler. He was under a self imposed pressure and stress and he lost his head. He learned from that he grew. I love ya but you look for reasons to hate on Oikawa. Motivated reasoning does not lead one to the truth.
Turns out hormonal teens sometimes do pretty dumb stuff based on emotions. Who knew?
Oo! I love adam's thoughts on Tsuki's and Kageyama's interaction! I didn't really think that deep about it!
I think Sarah might not connect with Oikawa, probably due to cultural differences. In Asia, the environment often leans towards a competitive vibe rather than a collaborative one. Growing up in this comparison-driven world, I can relate a lot to Oikawa. Even though I didn't put in as much effort as Oikawa, I still felt a lot of insecurities when I was young.
Oikawa didn't want to mentor Tobio, his competitor, because he didn't want to reveal his own strengths. I used to be like that in junior high too. It took getting older for me to understand the importance of sharing and collaboration. That's why I love Oikawa more than Tobio. His journey taught me that instead of blaming myself for not being good enough, I should first focus on whether I've given my best effort.
Saraahhh. There is an extra scene from season 3 with Wakatoshi talking to all his teammates after the match and j bet you would love it!111
I agree with everyone else who mentioned this. Why are you taking Kageyama's perspective when this is Oikawa's flashback you should be thinking about it from Oikawa's perspective and all the pressure he was feeling and his insecurites because he worked so hard to get were he is and here comes a prodigy first year who has to do practically nothing and is excelling in everything. I expected it from Sarah since she never really liked or likes Oikawa but respects him as a player, but you Adam you were always reserving your judgment and yet when it FINALLY came for Oikawa's backstory you take Sarah's perspective(not that it was wrong) as your own when hers is all about Kageyama and not Oikawa like it should have been.
This was one of the scenes for me that solidifed Oikawa as my favourite Haikyuu Character right along with Suga. They are both my favourites because I relate to both of them so well. I was really really hoping for a honest opinion on Oikawa's backstory from your perspective Adam from Oikawa's point of view, not Kageyama's since this is not his flashbacks but OIkawa's. So could you please reply with your honest opinon from Oikawa's point of view and does your opinion of him change at all.
"Why are you taking Kageyama's side?!"
LOL. Incredible.
It's a flashback to a formative time in Oikawa's career. There are no "sides", and there is no obligation for people to relate to him. If you relate to him, great! But don't push your perspective onto others by telling them how they "should" or "shouldn't" react.
It's my favorite character, so you all should love him too! How dare someone not like him instantly when I did!
アダムさんの寝癖(かな?)がかわいい!
彼がサラを見る度に、話より髪に意識が行くのをやめられない😂❤
I don't believe Oikawa has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Kageyama. If anything, it's more a competitive spirit. He sees Kageyama as a proper rival, which is why he acts the way he does towards him. But Oikawa gives credit where it's due and we know he acknowledges Kageyama.
Also, after reading the comments, I see varying opinions from people regarding Oikawa's back story and almost hitting/pushing Kageyama. Everyone agrees it's not excusable, but I feel like people make it sound so easy to just not do it. It's easy to be a 3rd person and make those kinds of comments, but it's a fact that people react differently under extremely stressful situations. And no one can say for sure, unless they've experienced it themselves, that they wouldn't have done what Oikawa did at the time. Being in the actual situation yourself and being a 3rd person are totally different because it's possible you could act differently than what you'd expect. That's totally normal unless you've really thought about it beforehand and have strong beliefs and morals and support system. Just my 2 cents.
I truly feel Oikawa here. I love Kageyama, and like Sarah said: It's not his fault. But we need to also understand Oikawa's perspective. Imagine always working so hard while recognizing there's a limite you can't break because the who looks up to you can just surpass you without the same amount of effort you put because you're not a genius? We can't forget that Oikawa wa also really young back then, and he was having a panick attack. Again, there's no villain in Haikyuu. Each character is unique and incredible in their own way and that's way I love it so much.
Did anyone else find it mean when Sarah crushed his analysis with "obvi"?
I think people will always see what part of Oikawa they choose to see according to the type of lives they have personally led and the kinds of people they have had to deal with. And it is the same with Kageyama. I would not like to work with either of Oikawa's or Kageyama's past self. Even though I admire Oikawa the most after finishing the series and Kageyama is a character that I've came to love gradually after watching the anime like... 4 times and reading the manga twice. It took me a while to finally be able to understand Kageyama's mindset because we're both essentially very different people. Contrary to which I have been able to grasp Oikawa a lot faster. And I think it is perfectly fine for any person for whom it takes longer to understand either of them, it is absolutely valid. I only ever really understood Kageyema after watching Sarah and Adam highlight his emotions that they're able to connect to more quickly. And I'm really glad for it.
It is definitely inexcusable that Oikawa's insecurities led to an almost physical attack on Kageyama and that Kageyama, who does not dwell too much into human emotions asked Oikawa to teach him again, to which he was straight up refused. But Kags found his own way to learn, he thought "if he's not teaching, I'll do it on my own" and he just watched Oikawa serve and did his best to copy him. Hurt people shouldn't hurt people. But it is just as inexcusable about Kageyama that he doesn't dwell too much into the emotions of his own teammates which led to his cross off with his team in junior high. If emotions of your teammates would not be a crucial part of Volleyball, Kageyama would never even bother. And just as Kageyama is growing to understand the "current state" of his teammates and we're able to see his journey close up, Oikawa is growing too. He has grown till the third year of high school, I think it'd be a cherry on top if he could show Kageyama the respect that he deep down feels for him. They are literally 16 -18 year olds. They are both discovering new emotions along with their games. Kageyama only looks up to Oikawa and Oikawa only thinks of Kageyama as an enemy which would later develop into a proper rivalry. I personally love how both of these characters are complex and their journey is not so smooth.
Tsukishima waited to spike until the libero did the pre-emptive run up. I can't say for sure, but I think he was watching for that.
At 7:00 I get Adam's enthusiasm completely!! That's how I felt when I first watched it, it was such a "gotcha!" moment for Karasuno, and it shows that Aoba Josai's players are also just kids and don't have enough experience to anticipate that depending on non-technical tells can backfire. As a non athletic person, moments like these take me into the psyche of athletes and it's really so interesting how many mind games go into sports, something that is typically stereotyped as brawn > brains
I hope one day Sarah says: and Most importantly Adams Wife
Awesome reaction....it's so wholesome to watch you guys interact with each other.
BTW, if I had a bro house, I think I will put Iwaizumi.... He is so mature and knows how to handle everyone.
I love adam's comments and his observations 😹 They're all on point!!
HERE WE GOOOOO! You always seem to post like RIGHT when I'm looking for something to watch.
I can't believe how I opened this video for less than 60 seconds and I'm already smiling wider than I ever had in this whole week🤣
I think what Oikawa did was perfectly normal for a junior high boy with insecurities. He's more relatable then for example Kageyama in that regard.
試合中の選手の気持ちの動きがお二人のプロの視点でよく分かります👍
毎週楽しみにしています😍✨
I really love Suga setting up Kageyama and Tsukki to interact in this eps😂 also the disappointment in Adam and Sarah's face seeing Oikawa refuse to teach Kageyama childishly😂😂
"can you imagine you're just a little kid who loves volleyball and you just wanna learn and learn and play and keep practicing" -> if we're being fair, that describes oikawa too. he was also a volleyball obsessed kid, in middle school, who was having some serious emotional issues and out of control anxiety with a coach who did nothing to help him process that or deal with pressure in a healthy way (and who also never did anything to help kageyama 2 years later when his teammates rejected him, either).
i don't agree with how oikawa handled everything, but he was a kid. if you can give kageyama grace to grow from screaming at and insulting his teammates when he was the same age as oikawa was in this flashback, there should be grace given for oikawa to grow as well. even within that flashback, once he comes to his senses (quite literally knocked into him by iwaizumi), he changes his attitude and outlook. his current teammates respect him and they're friends, even if they all razz on each other. the anime is trying to show that he's not the same person he was in middle school anymore; but that fear and desire to play high level volleyball is an integral part of his story and growth.
there's more to this story that i won't spoil. but oikawa is not meant to be hated, and his teasing kageyama is not meant to be taken so poorly; rather than collapsing under the pressure of walls that feel impossible to climb, oikawa starts teasing kageyama the way an annoying older sibling would. it's not mature, but it's not meant to be mean either. him calling out kageyama and saying he would beat him one day was meant to be a sign of how much he respects kageyama, that he sees him as an equal and worthy opponent.
the author of haikyuu has said that it's "expected" that oikawa see kageyama as his competition, not that it's a weakness. i think in particular, compared to other characters in haikyuu who don't really have any flaws and always do the most mature or kind thing all the time, a more realistic character like oikawa comes across worse than he otherwise would. nuanced and flawed realism vs the platonic ideal of a volleyball teammate is a bit of an unfair comparison, haha. but the reason so many people love oikawa is *because* he's so flawed and grows so much, not because he's perfect from the start. and ultimately, i think he is viewed a little unfairly here. there will always be rabid oikawa stans who defend him from anyone who doesn't like him, but i think the sheer number of posts about him in the comments are because it feels like he's being somewhat misrepresented.
The block animation is one of the cleanest and smoothest moments I wish were in more highlight clips
Please, Sarah, don't fully demonize Oikawa this time. Try to understand that he and the rest of the volleyball players are STILL HIGH SCHOOL KIDS so it's not so far-fetched that bursts of emotional immaturity and wrenching insecurity will occur in unavoidable situations such as competitive team sports. The fact that the sentiments of the majority here are trying to call you out about still full-on hating Oikawa about almost anything is already telling something, so please.
So Sarah already forgot, but the third set goes to 25.
In this show, only a few matches are five set matches and only the fifth set goes to 15. On a three set match, all three sets go to 25.
This is my second round of watching Sarah’s reacts and I think she still doesn’t understand the complexities of Oikawa cus her mentality is so based in her real life experiences which is what makes her perspective so fresh and welcomed. She’s adding another layer of depth to the character we might not have realized without her perspective. Although there are heavy misconceptions that are often said, it’s okay it’s their opinions and thoughts :)
32:53
His lines, his facial expressions...
an interesting counterpoint to the main game of season 4.
In addition, the two Seijoh matches and season 4 Inarizaki match have numerous similarities/relatives.
I found out about your channel just a few days ago, and ever since i've been watching all of your reactions, since the solo reaction to ep 1 s1, and it's been such an amazing and fun experience to be able to see someone who knows and loves volleyball watching and comenting on this show. it made me so happy hahha
thank you for everything !!! ((also, sorry for bad english, i'm brazilian, but i'm trying my best !!!
the way I see Oikawa's flashback is that he's constantly chasing something he can never seem to achieve (beating Ushiwaka) while having all of this pressure pushing him from the back (Kageyama the prodigy). So he's in this state where he's trying to catch something just out of reach while losing balance from being pushed from behind
something about oikawa always makes me tear up (including the ova, looking forward to look at sarah and adam's reaction on it later on!!)
Sarah I meant to say this the first I saw it but I LOVE that top you are wearing!
"Its not fair that you know everybody's name"
Wel ya know what, a Queen can't help but slay
Thanks Adam for allowing me to see Oikawa from a different perspective and actually appreciate him. I used to not. Now I appreciate him.
18:25 - Nice Jutsu there Adam
Wrong anime though
Love that you joined Pavan for this one.
You are in for a ride now
- Also I am so excited that you both started on Demon Slayer together!