Toyota bZ4X vs. Nissan Ariya: Which EV Should You Go For If You DON'T Want a Tesla?
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It's not all about Elon, some of us also think their interiors (especially the 3 and Y) feel chincy and hate the minimalist crap that only helps the company.
Tesla interiors are minimalistic to the extreme, there is no quality control on fit and finish and they fall apart right outside warranty they're just like other American Automakers.
I like my turn signal stocks and real door handles. I'm sure the car will outlast all Tesla's of the same year.
Oh, did you want a turn signal stalk? Did you want physical buttons for literally anything? Too bad!
This, I’m not a huge fan of their aesthetic interior wise with no instrument cluster on the 3/Y though I think the 2024 Model 3 I sat in today had comfortable seats and a better interior build quality.
@@ljpr360said like a person with no clue
"Dealerships competing to lower prices" is like when a store sells a $15 shirt for $25, but tells you it was originally $50 so that you think you're getting a discount.
If they weren't upcharging, they wouldn't have a business model.
Toyota dealerships are not places I would expect to find deals. They've been about markups for years.
Except with electric vehicles, any discount results in a loss. The dealership still gets their holdback from the manufacturer, so they aren’t making any profit on the deal, and may actually lose money, but the money from the factory might net them a few hundred dollars at most. The manufacturer ends up eating even more of a loss. Nobody, other than Teslais making any money on EVs. Nobody. And even Tesla is in trouble.
Trick question. Just get a Hyundia Ioniq 5.
Indeed, if you don't want to get a Tesla, these are literally the two you don't want to get... Oh and don't get a vinfast
There’s the answer
Yessir
Or a Kia EV 6 Gt line
Nooo dont!
I have an Ariya evolve + awd I got a smoking laser deal on. Tesla wasn’t even close! It’s so solid, if you haven’t actually driven one you have no room to comment. There are so many reasons I’d do it again compared to a model y right now.
Ditto. Ours (lease) came with 2 years of EVGo charging. There are 5 EVgo spots within a mile of our house. My "fuel" cost are going way down.
There's so many cars that beat the model Y in price and features. It's all about brand like damn Nikes
Badass car BTW! That zero percent interest rate is unbeatable 🎉
How often does the steering wheel beep with respect to driver assist?
Wife and I both leased some Ariya Evolve+ AWD last month. ~2000 down, 250/mo (10k miles/yr) with Colorado tax credit. You can get the Engage much cheaper, but still a pretty nice deal.
Platinum was 360/mo in case anyone cares
Glad that you are happy and satisfied!! Right choice for you!
was the "with colorado tax credit" on top of or included in the ariya evolve+ awd for ~2k down and 250/mo for 10k/year lease deal? was it an 18month or 36month lease? i'm in socal and i'm getting quotes for ariya evolve+ fwd at 2.5k down and 367/mo for 10k/year 18 month lease deal. seems way off since you are saying you could get top of the line platinum for 360/mo rate.
@@myusrn36 mo. The Colorado and federal credit is 12.5 and the discount was about 7, so basically 20k off the lease. I went to 104th Nissan, but I've seen even better deals at empire Nissan.
@@lp2260 wow good time to be buying EVs for Colorado residents.
Just did BZ4X lease for wife. $119 a month using CT EV direct pay to dealer for down payment. We currently have Bolt EUV and this charges faster at all SOC.
Which drives better, bz or the Bolt?
I think leasing makes way more sense right now. You get the $7500 tax credit because leases are considered commercial for whatever reason. That pretty much covers the lease payments for the 3 years.
There was recently an article about the least expensive EV’s. It found that the Ariya was selling on average about 30% below MSRP. So a ~$51k Ariya is getting off the lot for closer to $40k. That’s a crazy good deal.
get the Nissan if you must pick between these two. but there are much better options than both
No there is not, these are some if not the BEST you can get by far
@@user-do9ir8lv2mthat's the most absurd statement made on the Internet today.
Pretty much. Its battery is actively cooled for once for Nissan, but Nissan has over a decade experience while Toyota has a decade of experience talking shite BSing EVs, hyping up Hydrogen and re advertising now antiquated hybrids as "self charging"
He knows that but you miss the point and didn’t absorb what he said . If you want someone else don’t watch
Tommy is a great salesperson. After watching his videos, I think, "Man, I got to get one of those."
Still enjoying my purchase of a new 2023 Bolt EUV in Colorado for $14,000. No mileage limit, Apple CarPlay, physical buttons, 250/260 mile range, heated front seats and steering wheel. Slow fast charging, but my main commutes are less than 60 miles per day.
I agree because I traded in my used 2015 Nissan Leaf for a 2020 Chevrolet Bolt EV Premier. The Bolt handles nicely and has way more range than I need for daily driving.
Between these two the Ariya is the clear winner. Consistent flat charging curve, nice interior with gauges you can actually see, hands free expressway driving with ProPilot 2.0, and (subjectively) better looking
Just leased a fed bz4x and could not be happier with it.
Ariya all the way. People crap in these EVs, but they are the best value for money.
Was this a charity project or something?
Leasing the Toyota for $129 in my area is pretty appealing. I already have an EV with actual fast charging.
Yeah, at list price, the bZ4X is a *TERRIBLE* deal. But with Toyota incentives, it can be a decent "around town" vehicle.
Thank you, they are great for what they are. They aren't the best at road trips but they're so much better built than Teslas. I have heard of Model 3 seats falling apart within the first 3 years/50,000kms. I got an amazing deal on a Subaru Solterra. I love it, it feeds my driving needs and with all of Toyota's experience with Hybrids I expect to have it for the next 20+ years.
The aryia is slick
I think people underestimate the value of having a local dealer. A problem is more likely to be resolved by staff who actually have to face the customer.
Nice video Tommy love this review of non Tesla cars. I like both cars .
Very interesting, which dealership are you working for.
@@ChargeToDrive None, not even in the industry. Across all products, real customer service is becoming rare. This is even more important when you don't live near a major centre.
take a drive to most of the national parks in california and it doesn't matter what brand you drive there is no local dealers or even cell phone service in the event that an issue arises. for those outdoor adventure roadtrips having vehicles that just don't fail, and if an EV access to charging stations, is super important.
I took delivery of a 2024 BZ4X XLE model last week. I paid $500 down and the monthly payment is $266. It's a 3-year, 10,000 miles per year lease. Apparently, TM is offering such an incredible deal, most TM dealers are out of BZ4X in CA.
TM also offers complimentary DC charging at EVGO for the initial year of ownership. To my understanding, there are no restrictions on the frequency of charging at EVGO stations. Nevertheless, the owner's manual advises against DC charging the BZ4X model more than three times per day. Moreover, EVGO stations are relatively scarce. I've encountered occasional glitches with the UI during Apple CarPlay usage. However, I find the vehicle comfortable, and the one-pedal driving option, despite being a point of contention for some, suits my driving style well, achieving up to 5 miles per kilowatt-hour efficiency. Among minor complaints are the insufficient brightness of the interior LED lights, lack of a glove box, small storage space in the first row, the annoying alarm sound when you are in reverse, subpar resolution of the backup camera, and the lack of illumination on the door lock/unlock buttons at night.
Would I buy the car for $48,000 before tax and license? No. For that price, you can get a Blazer EV, a Bolt EV/EUV, a Model 3 refresh, or a Model Y. I am certain the next EV from TM will be vastly improved. The show has just begun for TM.
"TM"? Who calls Toyota "TM"? Oh, yeah, Toyota Motors employees.
@@AnonymousFreakYT TM is the stock symbol for Toyota just like TSLA is for Tesla or AAPL for Apple. For the record, I am not a TM employee.
@@robertlee7332 Nobody calls them "TM" when speaking about the vehicles. Just as nobody calls Tesla "TSLA" when talking about the vehicles. Or "AAPL" when talking about an iPhone. Or "F" when talking about a Mach-E.
@@AnonymousFreakYT 🤣you just got educated, I've known what he was talking about for some years from being in this industry along time, your just unfamiliar with it,
@@99unclebobnah, he's being intentionally confusing for no apparent reason. Making up acronyms and shit. Just say Toyota so we can actually comment on your points. Instead, people are commenting on his idiotic choice of acronyms which is ironic because they're supposed to make speech easier, not harder.
Nice video. I hate when they talk about how cheap these vehicles can be, but then show the top-of-the-line trims. Be consistent. Either show the lower-specced vehicles, or talk about the higher prices charged for the top-of-the-line trims.
I agree Tommy. But props to the detail guy on the Nissan! That paint looks amazing.
Very eye opening, definitely an option for around town use, thanks Tommy
@ 6:18
Honestly, cool flat floor but there should be something blocking from anything going towards the accelerator and break pedal, So easy for something to rollover under those and cause a accident.
personally i've been waiting for people to make vehicles with open floor space between driver and passenger to spread out legs on long drive. very much dislike the sports car boxed in design of front row seating in most high end suv these days. nissan sells a box that attaches to open floor space between driver and passenger that can keep bags and other stuff in place and keep things from flying over into driver foot controls space if that's a concern.
Hell yeah!! I'm paying $365/month with ZERO down for 36 months on my bz4x. It's the price of a dinner with a family of 3 these days. 4WD model rock!! I love it.. charges slower than my Model Y but still get it done overnight. Drives smooth and fast. for the price I paid, just love it! been getting 250 miles on a full charge every time. not sure if it'll be the same during the winter time.
You guys are getting really good at your one. Take videos, Tommy, and Alex.🎉🎉❤❤
The lease is awful with a 5k mile a year limit.
WOW that IS awful!
It's for Grandma who just goes to the grocery store every few days.
@kabloosh699 or someone who works from home and just needs it for errands and occasional longer trips.
@@jamespaul2587 Exactly. I work from home and I haven't put more than 7000 miles a year on my car in 10 years. I would probably opt to pay a little more per month and get 10K.
@oregonziggy2391 yes, 10k would be a more comfortable number to allow for more trips. This could also work well as a commuter vehicle and/or second car for many when work is close or when driving to a train or subway.
I've had my bZ4X for nearly half a year now, it's an awasome car.
Uh oh...musk fanboys are going to be upset. You are only allowed to mention the name to praise or worship.
They only mentioned Tesla to get clicks for this mediocre video idea.
I'm leasing a 2024 AWD XLE bZ4X for $230 a month for 36 months, with 2K down. Easy to charge at home and we have a CX-5 for long trips. It's perfect as a second car.
I've been driving EVs & PHEVs for over a decade and not once have I ever used a DC fast charger other than for novelty purposes. Like most people, I charge at home/destinations, don't drive 200-300mi a day, and don't go on constant road trips. If I want to put 2,000 miles on a car for a road trip, I'll just rent someone else's ICE vehicle!
Recent ev adoption has shown us that a lot of folks are living in condo or apartments that do not have any charging options. With the heightened demand on the dc charging options I feel these cars are only worth it for a limited number of people.
I like the Nissan because it offers the electric doggle to use at home. In my state, I have not seen charging stations anyway except for two at a retirement community. How long do electric car batteries last before they are replaced? Or do they last forever and not have to be replaced? For example, in my internal combustion car, my battery had to be replaced after 4 years. The previous battery I had in my car before the one replaced, lasted 6 years. The average battery life of an internal combustion car is 3 to 5 years.
For the newest EVs, the batteries ought to outlast the car itself. They are of a much higher quality compared to the 12v batteries that all cars use to start up.
1:37 : « Ariya in our Area »
I loved that.
Went to an Auto Show recently, I really liked the Ariya’s interior. I still prefer my 2018 Model 3 but hey, who knows.
We have a 2023 bZ4X Limited AWD. City dwellers, rarely drive freeway, charge at home, it's perfect for us. No range issues at all.
At the current lease offers out there, these are great cars. Was just quoted $324/month for 10k miles per year on an Ariya Evolve+ eForce - totally reasonable. These two cars only suck if you live in a youtube comment section and not the real world.
LOL exactly.
Tommy I watch TFL videos because YOU and several of your colleagues on the channel are solid, good people!!
-- Many of my friends and family are conscientious people that care about the environment and where they spend their money. I'm glad you made this video showing the many advantages of these cars as quite honestly none of us want a Tesla!!
In Canada, we can only dream of these lease rates! The Subaru Solterra (bZ4X rebadged) commands over $400 per month...almost four times the amount quoted in the video.....
I just bought the Nissan Ariya Engage+ AWD for $199/mo with $0 down and 10K miles/yr.
You forgot to say Ariya nissan has 2 glove compartments and also cones with heated seats as the Toyota. The Ariya comes with the cable to plug it in your house outlet 120v. I drove the model yY and didn't like it.
I don't think ppl realize the range of the base Tesla cars arent that great
and the range they advertise is overly exaggerated by alot
Has anybody leased an FWD toyota in Arizona recently how many miles did you get on a 36 month lease ?
I really like the interior of the Ariya. A good balance between too minimalist and too busy.
Nice to see proper reviews. The comments from trolls are a joke 😅
The Subaru Soltera (which is the same thing as the toyota) has some really low lease offers right now. If you don't need a lot of range, there's a lot of good deals to be had.
Much nicer than my model 3.
all the talk about a lease... i could never lease. The mileage limits are unrealistic for me. Especially 5k as Tommy stated in the video. I bought a new Elantra Hybrid and in 2 months I am just about to hit 5k miles already.
All the first ID4 3yr leases are coming up just in time for these deals.
Please start amortizing all down payments on leases over the term of the lease so that the actual cost of each becomes apparent when you are comparing them ??
is there some simple math, or lease calculator page, that helps with this? in my first time exploration of leasing options i'm just taking down payment / # months of lease and adding it to monthy payment. doesn't sound like an amortization calculation.
@@myusrn that's exactly it. That's what we need to do to successfully compare. Otherwise they'll come out with a lease with 20k down and $5 per month and say it's the cheapest monthly payment in the country
5.000 miles a year I drive 4,000 miles a month.i can't lease this review shows these EV as nice great
Tommy looks more and more like Roman every day.
I do prefer the Subaru solterra, they just need to improve a little bit the charging curve, I don't want to see it drop below 50kw till after 80% 100 is fine but just don't be dropping into the 30s
Between these 2 choices, I would take the Nissan. Drop the price down 10-15K and it would be a fair deal. I would seek out a Tesla product if you had not showcased its piss poor build quality. Battery and performance in a Tesla 3 is superb. And if all you care about is chewing up tires quietly, by all means. OR stay tuned for the Dodge Charger Daytona EV coming soon. That I got my eye on. ;) If you want superb history of refined quality in your EV. Pick the Mercedes. That I had my eye on until the pre-mentioned DCD was announced.
Ariya doesnt have 1 pedal driving. It still creeps and only brings you to 10 mph
My leaf has the auto brake function. It is disappointing they didn't include it on the Ariya.
I drove the 2024 nissan aryia evolve+ trim and there was b mode and e-pedal options. The b mode was less aggressive one pedal driving requiring me to use the brakes to come to a stop from higher speeds. The e-pedal option was aggressive one pedal driving that only required me to use the brake to come to a full stop once the car had slowed to a slowly creeping speed. I was told the reason e-pedal was designed this way was to ensure brake calipers are lightly used on a regular basis so they don't seize up from lack of use. Something they had issues with on nissan leaf's that have full stop one pedal driving design.
"Which EV should you go for if you DON'T want a Tesla - Toyota bZ4-"
"The other one."
Unless the other one is a Fisker. In that case, the bZ4X looks like the longer lived car.
If the deals are comparable then Ariya is a better vehicle comparable to Lexus RZ450e since this Nissan Ariya is practically an Infiniti. It charges consistently and has a flat curve.
However there is a huge mess in Ariya trims: you want some features, you get a trim which has no other features. To have a longer range the trim has to have basic features. One cannot have all features in the same Ariya.
If someone will say it is much worse charging than a Hyundai Ioniq5 then the situation becomes different on long trips relying on 400 V (for now) Tesla Superchargers with an adapter then Ariya is going to keep flat 160 kW while Ioniq5 will be forced under 80 kW due to internal conversion to 800 V architecture.
Yes, everything is going to change when Tesla V4 will be deployed but it will be a while until it happens.
I’ll take my bolt euv redline over both of these. The Nissan is a close second choice though.
When the Tesla is compared to the 2 worst EV's for sale, it wins! The Toyota and its Subaru counterpart, are the worst EV's ever introduced as a new model, and the Nissan is barely competitive. Given that Toyota is trying not to build EV's by any way it can, the hidden agenda of making the worst new EV ever becomes quite obvious. At least Honda chose to simply do badge engineering on an otherwise competitive GM platform. Nissan's offering is not that bad, but given that it was for years, the only mass manufactured EV on the market, its new offering, is also utterly disappointing. The Arya should have taken every other EV out to lunch, yet, pretty much every other EV on the market (except for the "Toyoru" twins) is better.
This is not a Tesla video stop bring them up or bash these cars . Plenty of Tesla videos out there don’t for your Tesla views on a non Tesla video
@@markfitzpatrick6692
The first thing he says is the model 3 is better than both! A DUH, statement. There are numerous other EV"s in the "more affordable" category that could have been used as comparison which are better than the Tesla. Why not put all those in a vid?
Hard to call out the dealer model as a positive. Also 5k miles a year is a useless number, not worth comparing.
I would go with the Blazer EV.
The lease company must get the incentives, tax credits and rebates and uses them as the downpayment? Leasing maybe the best way to go. Just in case the market falls out from under these EVs, you will not lose your shirt
Before watching - Both of these are valid options for people who don't want a Tesla, but for different reasons.
The Nissan offers the "comfortable appliance" appeal of the Camry. This is such a different customer base, I don't even really consider the model y and Nissan competitors.
The Toyota is appealing for those who want a conventional car that just so happens to be an EV. Hence the traditional controls.
If I had to rank them bZ4X, model y, and Nissan in ascending order.
Let's see if TFL agrees
5k miles for a lease is insane. Buy a Civic and it’ll last you longer, used then one of these. Great video guys.
Too bad these lease deals don't exist in Canada or I'd probably get one
We have the Federal rebate depending on where you are a Provincial rebate and dealer markdowns!
I wanted to like the bZ4X but the charging situation is utter nonsense. People struggle to hit even 50kW a lot of the time.
It’s slower than a bolt
Definitely going with Chevy or Ford if not Tesla.
Throw the id4 in there and it will beat those even being several years old
Tommy! bZ4X is NOT excellent vehicle by any means ....
Stop it
Have you driven one?
I like these cars, but he did a terrible job at the beginning selling them. I don't know for sure what he was going for but you don't have to repeat that they are lackluster and not number 1 so many times.
Bolt. Kia/Hyundai. Fiat. Mini. Anything used. Maybe just keep your used car. Lots better options than ugliness and mediocrity in a shiny new package.
i think the nissan looks better and feels better
is this a commercial?
Even if it weren't for the quality issues the toxic attitude of the Tesla stans would be enough to dissuade me from ever buying one of their products. But leasing is a losing deal, your better off waiting until these hit the used market at a greatly reduced price, then you get the savings no matter what your tax bracket is.
Nissan and Toyota had to discount these 2 cars because they are bad EVs. Mid $50k for less than what you get from EV6, Ionqi 5, ID4 is why the BZX4 and Ariya are not selling. Its like trying to sell a PC with 8 GB Ram, I3 CPU for the price of a 32 GB Ram i7 CPU With the discounts(lease only?), they are price correctly. I still won't lease one. Need to go 12k-15k miles / year
That Nissan steering wheel has a real noggin on it lmao😂
Open pore wood? Make it a no-pore plastic.
5k mile limit!!! That's a non-starter. I'll stick to my MY
Ariya was always overpriced for what it offered. Hopefully Nissan gets the picture and lower the prices.
Is not that they are horrible car, but coming from Nissan and Toyota and put one of the worst charging curves and ranges out there. Now city wise is an ok car but that the extends of it. Hyundai have cars that are good in city but also good when you go on trips.
The bZ4x FTW. Toyota build quality and longevity trumps Nissan. And Toyota has a proven reputation to support their vehicles in the long run. 2024s have a 7.6kWh on board charger and both awd and fwd is rated at 150kw. Real world experience is 10-80% is about 37 minutes on anything above a 50Kwh DCFC.
Not a concern if you lease the vehicle.
Take a shot when you hear lease
"Great lease deals on these two" Yeah because NOBODY wants them and dealers just want them off their lot lol. Just get a Tesla
The enthusiasm in this was outstanding. ❤
Both Slow for price, slow charge and …… FAIL
Buy an f150 lighting if you don't want a tesla
I will wait 5 more years 😏
What is this? Just get a working petrol car and stay away from BEVs.
You are contradicting yourself now, suddenly these two over priced EV's became fantastic, stunning, and all is good, what's going on guys everybody knows these are very over priced for what they are give me a break.
You appear to be not paying attention and need to work on your comprehension "skills".
They are a good IF you get a good lease deal on them. That clearly seems to be the point of the video don't buy it lease it
You must have a Memory loss, because they were trashing these cars six months ago, not for how much they cost or lease for.
@@ChargeToDrive they probably trashed them at their price point and as their function "off road". They can still recomend you get one as a nice city cruiser at a lower lease price.
I don't think your audience is that uninformed to choose one of these two over the model y. That would be insane!😂
Toyota has no range for the price.
skip these, just get the best ones like Ioniq 5/EV6. Enjoy 800v fast charging fun cars than these slow ass cars to charge.
Your Father has way too much of a bad influence on you, You don't have to a joke to review cars.
Comment needs editing.
Is this from the TFLOnion channel? The humor is at so many levels, like let's go to a Toyota dealership for a dealer mark down!
Definitely not a fan of the Toyota two tone look. It’s ugly and it reminds me of when someone gets into an accident and has to get a replacement bumper or door and it hasn’t been painted yet to match the body….
$129 a month to drive an average of 416 miles? That's 31 cents per mile. My 25 year old Taurus will go that far on a tank of gas. Such little allowed mileage means you won't even save on energy costs versus your used ice car.
Yeah a 25 year old car is the ticket but it is nothing to do with the car it is your use model. An older truck can be even better as they are very simple machines compared to cars of the day. If a bit less efficient. But with low use efficiency is less of a concern.
FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS DRIVE BZ4X'S, BAD ADVICE 0/10 DO NOT RECOMMEND
. The Nissan is barely ok, but ill let it by.
Is this a April fools video?
Nope
Looks like ur the fool who missed out on this deal
Lol 129-200a month with 4k down not 1000
I actually thought something similar
Get Niro
NGL super disappointed Toyota has its head so far up its ass regarding EVs. Everything about the bZ4X from it's name to its specs to its capabilities screams failure.
There are about 140K people who depend on Tesla to put food on the table. And many more who have invested their future in it. These by far are the people who you will be helping. You can buy Tesla and still dump on Elon in social media.