I bought one 4 years ago. Beat the crap out of it. Over 2k miles on original chain, belt, suspension. Still fun and reliable. And I’m convinced the battery hasn’t lost a step. Or at least I can’t notice.
I built a $10,000 LBX build slowly over the last 3 years and I couldnt have done it without Charged. These guys know what they’re doing and were clear and fair.
Most people with built Light Bee’s couldn’t be much happier. They are lightweight, handle great, and the options are nearly endless. Glad you are enjoying yours.
They really don’t. We’re hopeful for the Arctic Leopard EX800 but it has to be compared to a modded UB bc of the price. The Freeride never took off bc, although the power and suspension are good, the range is just terrible. No one really knows what’s happening w the Dragon bc of Talaria’s problems behind the scenes. For now, the Ultra Bee wins in a category of its own.
Great overview, CCW. I love my rattly Talaria but the Ultra Bee is such a well-built, thought-out bike right out of the box. Glad to have both. Need to do a frame up, extended swing arm LBX with you guys one day.
Spot on 👍 I still love my Surron and the fact you have all the aftermarket parts and service is huge. I made the mistake of buying one of those off brands directly from the china manufacturer. There’s no service and no parts when it broke I was shit out of luck took me forever to find someone to fix it.
A Storm Bee almost won Virginia City Grand Prix if they had another battery. I have my Light Bee MX the very first Light Bee and I've been racing it for a long time. Literally every part but the frame is aftermarket now. I regularly podium racing against supermoto minibikes. I've broken this bike so many times I have a youtube playlist dedicated to whenever I break it. The beauty of the Light Bee is it might not be the most durable bike but the parts are easy to find now and easy to replace. Tons of aftermarket parts to make it stronger and faster. Wish I had the monies for an Ultra because I sunk it all into the Light Bee.
I predict surron will ride the wave of their current pricing scheme as long as possible, then and it might be soon, compete on pricing and hurt competition. Surron has the most capacity the ability to produce bikes for cheaper than anyone else. Once surrons retail for 2.5k then it’s over
Hello, guys rob from Vancouver, Canada. Love your videos. Can you do a headlight shoot out? Which is the best headlight? Just an idea for the next video LO.L
My exact same thought process and set of conclusions...which is why I ultimately decided to build two surrons, with a bunch of parts from you guys. I have learned a lot from your videos and experience. You guys rock. Now, all I need is a battery and controller for my Ultra, so I can get more range and POWA. Not an inexpensive affair but you really can't compare gas bikes to a built electric bike, that is properly setup and has maximum range. Gassers are fun but ebikes are better for me in many ways, and so much easier to ride and maintain.
Geometry. They nailed the geometry and the rear linkage design. If the suspension is upgraded, they handle even better. We own all bikes to constantly test the products we sell and almost everyone prefers the Surron from a steering feel perspective.
A lot of good points were made here in favor of Surron. That said, I got turned down by the Florida DOT even though I had turn signals brake lights, MCO and receipt. The reason they give me was that the ultra bee is for off-road use, and the ntsa has it listed as off-road only. I had to go through dirt legal for my ultra bee.
I watched the channel non-stop last month, I wanted so so much to buy a Surron. Today I went to a testing camp to test one. Right after 5 minutes I slipped on wet grass. My knee is out, surgery coming, 5 months of bed and therapy estimated. Good luck you boys, hope you will not loose your arms, feet or worse. These are NOT toys. Praying for your safety 🙏
I would buy it because it actually looks more like a bike than anything else, which in turn makes you feel legal almost everywhere) which is not possible on older models😜
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CCW is a fantastic store, I built a surron look alike peddle/ 3kw bike , Andrew didn't scoff at me . He was interested and a big help. My bike came out surprisingly better than I expected .and his advice has been valuable. Kudos to CCW they rock !! BTW NATE < lol my bad has my second Battery pillow block come in yet ?
Could you guys please review the solar e clipse e bike. I really enjoy your style of breaking down a bike. They have a new race edition being released early July.
As a new buyer would your team get a Surron Light Bee, Talaria Sting or a E Ride Pro SS. I have been watching all channels and yours is by far the most informative. I am a bigger guy 6'2" 250lbs and want to get my throttle therapy.
The obvious answer for your size is an Ultra Bee. It’s taller, stronger, and has more moto feeling suspension and brakes. If you want to stick with the small bikes, power and range should be your top priorities so you can enjoy the bike on day one and not feel the immediate need to add a controller and aftermarket battery. Everything else like suspension, brakes, wheels, etc are fairly universal and can be added later if needed. Call the shop and ask for Nate. He’ll give you much more detail.
My charger on my ultra bee is getting replaced no questions asked internal break in the cable from the charger to the bike. New one will be here next week.
@@ChargedCycleWorks That is disappointing, I guess they thought the liability was too high. Guess I will need to do some soldering on my own like I did for the light bee.
Love my Ultra Bee, struggling on how much I should upgrade it until maybe a Varg would have been a better choice given the power and quality suspension. I never rode dirt bikes in the past, ex mountain biker, so love the peace of an e-bike and the light weight of the Ultra. My challenge is when I take it to the MX track with my son. I've put a 21" front wheel on it with MX33's front/rear for tires. Suspension is lacking for the track so this is an obvious upgrade. If I can get away with stock power then I think it is still a great buy but if I go to a new controller and battery then I'm at the price of a Varg. It's a dilemma I do not (yet) have an answer for.
We have struggled with the same. After owning both bikes for a while now, Nate prefers his built UB and Brian prefers his Varg. One option might be to let us tune your forks and add a controller to get your power up to 16kw on the OEM battery. It’s not a Varg, but it’s 50lbs lighter and it’ll be more enjoyable off track.
I see no reason to buy anything other than an E-Ride Pro SS 2.0 at the moment. The three biggest, most expensive upgrades you can make are already done and it's only a $300-400 price difference. Everything is else is personal like handlebars, footpegs, seats, grips, wheel size, tire pattern, etc...
Can anyone advise if you can setup a lightbee size bike to comfortably ride standing up? (looking at a VentusOne). But I just wanted to know if you can ride one comfortably for long distances if you put bar risers etc? I have a few gas enduro bikes already but wanted something small, playful and quiet.
I’m sorry I know this is about Surron but can you elaborate on the process of registering an E-ride pro for street use as a commuter? I know each state is different but does the E-ride come with everything you need to register it?
We are currently working with the DMV to create a process on solving this issue.. Really lame that laws have been creating with no clear guidance and structure so we are trying our hardest to get this figured out and inform everyone currently.
That explains why Talaria didn't respond to my email request for a manufacturers certificate of origin for our XXX and Sting R MX4. We could get off road trail stickers in Montana if I had an MCO for each bike. I was excited to possibly purchase a Talaria Dragon soon but now I'll give the ultra bee another look when I find a carbon black edition. Great informative video guys!!
An ultra bee may be a better option, but if you want a small playful mountain bike with a throttle you can always accessorize and make the light bee a little bit larger
I love my Sting R MX4 but I'd like to try a Light Bee someday. The jackshaft and belt are really the only downsides as far as I'm concerned. Why doesn't Surron come out with a gearbox? It ain't rocket science ...
There’s a reason all other bike brands go with a belt. The Talaria gearbox has more problems than you think and our service department replaces them more often than we want. We sell the gearboxes on our store and they sell out all the time. That knocking that you might hear on your bike is a combination of the gearbox teeth loosening and binding. That doesn’t happen with a belt. If strength is the goal, a chain drive conversion fixes all reliability issues. We think this might be why so many Talaria owners are coming back to the Surron brand.
Consider the age and how abused it is, then balance that with the price. X260’s and LBX’s are basically the same bike but the Segway partnership/branding exercise ended a while ago, so finding a new X260 would be rare and may have sat in the box for well over a year now, which would be bad for the battery.
@@Dreamsmall1234 no they aren't do your fucking research. The sting r with a properly tuned controller is better though be it slightly its still better.
Can’t compete with the free ride pro right out of the box same price and it smokes the surron and no need to pay more for the upgrade on the bike you just bought
I bought one 4 years ago. Beat the crap out of it. Over 2k miles on original chain, belt, suspension. Still fun and reliable. And I’m convinced the battery hasn’t lost a step. Or at least I can’t notice.
Hey I did the same but 2 years. literally zero maintenance or care and it still runs like clockwork. They are super reliable
I built a $10,000 LBX build slowly over the last 3 years and I couldnt have done it without Charged. These guys know what they’re doing and were clear and fair.
Most people with built Light Bee’s couldn’t be much happier. They are lightweight, handle great, and the options are nearly endless. Glad you are enjoying yours.
Nobody really has anything like the Ultra Bee, especially at that price point.
You can find a KTM freeride for $5,500 now.
They really don’t. We’re hopeful for the Arctic Leopard EX800 but it has to be compared to a modded UB bc of the price. The Freeride never took off bc, although the power and suspension are good, the range is just terrible. No one really knows what’s happening w the Dragon bc of Talaria’s problems behind the scenes. For now, the Ultra Bee wins in a category of its own.
The KTM is very heavy and has crappy range. @gear323
@@ChargedCycleWorks....
Please elaborate on Talaria issues. I'm looking into a third Talaria purchase
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Very well said! Thank you!
Love my Ultra!!
Great overview, CCW. I love my rattly Talaria but the Ultra Bee is such a well-built, thought-out bike right out of the box. Glad to have both. Need to do a frame up, extended swing arm LBX with you guys one day.
Spot on 👍 I still love my Surron and the fact you have all the aftermarket parts and service is huge. I made the mistake of buying one of those off brands directly from the china manufacturer. There’s no service and no parts when it broke I was shit out of luck took me forever to find someone to fix it.
A Storm Bee almost won Virginia City Grand Prix if they had another battery. I have my Light Bee MX the very first Light Bee and I've been racing it for a long time. Literally every part but the frame is aftermarket now. I regularly podium racing against supermoto minibikes. I've broken this bike so many times I have a youtube playlist dedicated to whenever I break it. The beauty of the Light Bee is it might not be the most durable bike but the parts are easy to find now and easy to replace. Tons of aftermarket parts to make it stronger and faster. Wish I had the monies for an Ultra because I sunk it all into the Light Bee.
Y'all are spot on.. great video.. I continue to send commentors and subscribers your way. Great video!!!
Thank you very much!
@@ChargedCycleWorks Very welcome!
Hope Surron starts manufacturin upgraded spec LBX (72v; 19/16 wheels; useful App; better tires, fork/shock, pegs, handlebars, grips, headlight, taillight, motor, controller, etc.)
That would be cool!
I predict surron will ride the wave of their current pricing scheme as long as possible, then and it might be soon, compete on pricing and hurt competition. Surron has the most capacity the ability to produce bikes for cheaper than anyone else. Once surrons retail for 2.5k then it’s over
Great video! Sur Ron, the do-it-all bike. Brett, the do-it-all employee. Rides, films and edits better than anyone I know... Give that man a raise
Hello, guys rob from Vancouver, Canada. Love your videos. Can you do a headlight shoot out? Which is the best headlight?
Just an idea for the next video LO.L
My exact same thought process and set of conclusions...which is why I ultimately decided to build two surrons, with a bunch of parts from you guys. I have learned a lot from your videos and experience. You guys rock. Now, all I need is a battery and controller for my Ultra, so I can get more range and POWA. Not an inexpensive affair but you really can't compare gas bikes to a built electric bike, that is properly setup and has maximum range. Gassers are fun but ebikes are better for me in many ways, and so much easier to ride and maintain.
To each their own, we absolutely love both gas and electric but for different purposes! Thank you for the kind words
love my ERP, but there's something about Surron that they really got right. Both awesome bikes.
Geometry. They nailed the geometry and the rear linkage design. If the suspension is upgraded, they handle even better. We own all bikes to constantly test the products we sell and almost everyone prefers the Surron from a steering feel perspective.
A lot of good points were made here in favor of Surron. That said, I got turned down by the Florida DOT even though I had turn signals brake lights, MCO and receipt. The reason they give me was that the ultra bee is for off-road use, and the ntsa has it listed as off-road only. I had to go through dirt legal for my ultra bee.
Great info
Love my Ultra 🐝
Anything in the works for 2025?
Hopefully Surron is going to stay ahead of the other brands with new better offerings!!??
We hope so as well!
First!🥇
Please make brakes comparison video guys!
I watched the channel non-stop last month, I wanted so so much to buy a Surron. Today I went to a testing camp to test one. Right after 5 minutes I slipped on wet grass. My knee is out, surgery coming, 5 months of bed and therapy estimated. Good luck you boys, hope you will not loose your arms, feet or worse. These are NOT toys. Praying for your safety 🙏
I would buy it because it actually looks more like a bike than anything else, which in turn makes you feel legal almost everywhere) which is not possible on older models😜
CCW is a fantastic store, I built a surron look alike peddle/ 3kw bike , Andrew didn't scoff at me . He was interested and a big help. My bike came out surprisingly better than I expected .and his advice has been valuable. Kudos to CCW they rock !! BTW NATE < lol my bad has my second Battery pillow block come in yet ?
You may be referring to Charged Cycles in Canada. We are Charged Cycle Works
@@ChargedCycleWorks No i suffer from CRS it's Nate
Okay I want a surron because it’s a dream come true 79 bike! Ventus one! Eride pro ss are all kinda the same and the support you get to program them
Could you guys please review the solar e clipse e bike. I really enjoy your style of breaking down a bike. They have a new race edition being released early July.
I do believe this review will be happening in the near future
@@ChargedCycleWorks Excellent
As a new buyer would your team get a Surron Light Bee, Talaria Sting or a E Ride Pro SS. I have been watching all channels and yours is by far the most informative. I am a bigger guy 6'2" 250lbs and want to get my throttle therapy.
The obvious answer for your size is an Ultra Bee. It’s taller, stronger, and has more moto feeling suspension and brakes.
If you want to stick with the small bikes, power and range should be your top priorities so you can enjoy the bike on day one and not feel the immediate need to add a controller and aftermarket battery. Everything else like suspension, brakes, wheels, etc are fairly universal and can be added later if needed.
Call the shop and ask for Nate. He’ll give you much more detail.
My charger on my ultra bee is getting replaced no questions asked internal break in the cable from the charger to the bike. New one will be here next week.
Any bike recommendations for riding on both roads and sidewalks etc and also for bigger ppl both height and weight?
OOOo just checked your site and saw Ultra Bees are back in stock. Any idea when you may be able to pick up some more light kits?
Sadly the light kits are no longer sold to USA dealers :(
@@ChargedCycleWorks That is disappointing, I guess they thought the liability was too high. Guess I will need to do some soldering on my own like I did for the light bee.
🐝🏁 Video 👍 SUR-RON 👌🚀
Love my Ultra Bee, struggling on how much I should upgrade it until maybe a Varg would have been a better choice given the power and quality suspension. I never rode dirt bikes in the past, ex mountain biker, so love the peace of an e-bike and the light weight of the Ultra. My challenge is when I take it to the MX track with my son. I've put a 21" front wheel on it with MX33's front/rear for tires. Suspension is lacking for the track so this is an obvious upgrade. If I can get away with stock power then I think it is still a great buy but if I go to a new controller and battery then I'm at the price of a Varg. It's a dilemma I do not (yet) have an answer for.
We have struggled with the same. After owning both bikes for a while now, Nate prefers his built UB and Brian prefers his Varg.
One option might be to let us tune your forks and add a controller to get your power up to 16kw on the OEM battery. It’s not a Varg, but it’s 50lbs lighter and it’ll be more enjoyable off track.
I see no reason to buy anything other than an E-Ride Pro SS 2.0 at the moment. The three biggest, most expensive upgrades you can make are already done and it's only a $300-400 price difference. Everything is else is personal like handlebars, footpegs, seats, grips, wheel size, tire pattern, etc...
Can anyone advise if you can setup a lightbee size bike to comfortably ride standing up? (looking at a VentusOne). But I just wanted to know if you can ride one comfortably for long distances if you put bar risers etc? I have a few gas enduro bikes already but wanted something small, playful and quiet.
I’m sorry I know this is about Surron but can you elaborate on the process of registering an E-ride pro for street use as a commuter? I know each state is different but does the E-ride come with everything you need to register it?
We are currently working with the DMV to create a process on solving this issue.. Really lame that laws have been creating with no clear guidance and structure so we are trying our hardest to get this figured out and inform everyone currently.
Can’t beat the phantom purple frame Surron lightbee for looks either
Do you offer shipping to PA?
Do surrom light bee Xs have good power for someone that 165 pounds? I want to get one but i just dont want to be disappointed
They feel like a peppy Crf110 pit bike
test drive one
That explains why Talaria didn't respond to my email request for a manufacturers certificate of origin for our XXX and Sting R MX4. We could get off road trail stickers in Montana if I had an MCO for each bike.
I was excited to possibly purchase a Talaria Dragon soon but now I'll give the ultra bee another look when I find a carbon black edition.
Great informative video guys!!
Guys. what do you think will perform better? Stock ultra bee or Ventus one?
If you're doing anything other than street hooliganism, Ultra Bee for sure.
Yep that's nails it on the head
Is an LBX a good choice for someone thats 6' 190lbs?
An ultra bee may be a better option, but if you want a small playful mountain bike with a throttle you can always accessorize and make the light bee a little bit larger
So Gas is going to win and all us E-commuters are lost. Great Fight, go team!
I love my Sting R MX4 but I'd like to try a Light Bee someday. The jackshaft and belt are really the only downsides as far as I'm concerned. Why doesn't Surron come out with a gearbox? It ain't rocket science ...
There’s a reason all other bike brands go with a belt. The Talaria gearbox has more problems than you think and our service department replaces them more often than we want. We sell the gearboxes on our store and they sell out all the time. That knocking that you might hear on your bike is a combination of the gearbox teeth loosening and binding. That doesn’t happen with a belt. If strength is the goal, a chain drive conversion fixes all reliability issues. We think this might be why so many Talaria owners are coming back to the Surron brand.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Very interesting. I've had good luck so far with around 4000 miles on my MX4s. I didn't know so many were having gearbox issues.
I love my slow ass surron
🐝🏁 👍😆
Is it worth buying a Segway x260
Consider the age and how abused it is, then balance that with the price. X260’s and LBX’s are basically the same bike but the Segway partnership/branding exercise ended a while ago, so finding a new X260 would be rare and may have sat in the box for well over a year now, which would be bad for the battery.
I want an Ultra Bee with a different body kit that makes it look less dirt bikey and more tacticool. Something covered in black multicam.
Sell Goldmember... build another😊
17:15 "Stark Varg levels of power" what are you smoking that thing has 80hp or 60kw !
Power-to-weight ratio. That part may have been edited out. 50hp on a 150lb bike is simply insane amounts of power vs the more powerful but 260lb Varg.
🐝🏁 some riders are fast 😢 , riding moto is fun go ebikes
Had my ultra bee impounded by mid vale cops and to,d me the bike had to be registered. He dmv told me different.
The people making laws need to get it together... We wrote a blog on our website to help guide people through registration!
Surron LBX gonna fall off if they dont start coming 72V. The ERP SS is killin the game for EMotos in its class.
Yayyyy we love canada !!! Cant ride it in the streets ... cant ride it in public spaces... can only ride surron off road ON private property
Legal is not Law unless consented to.
Biggest issue with surrons is the police lol
The Pro SS 2.0 is the best for the price.
No its not 😂 get a used sting r and pop a tc500 or literally any controller on it.
@@lrgphantom2934they are still the same performance
@@Dreamsmall1234 no they aren't do your fucking research. The sting r with a properly tuned controller is better though be it slightly its still better.
@@lrgphantom2934bros just mad he’s stuck with a talaria🤣
@@lrgphantom2934 There is video proof that the pro ss is faster than a mx4 with a tc500 on the talaria boys channel
lost me at "certified sur ron dealer", looking for non bias opinions
2nd
Can’t compete with the free ride pro right out of the box same price and it smokes the surron and no need to pay more for the upgrade on the bike you just bought
NAH... ERPSS ALL DAY
Talaria is far superior to surron
getting an honest opinion from an authorized dealer of a certain brand . yeah ok
Who? Amped bikes?
We are the ones who chose to be a dealer for this brand. So yes, it is an honest opinion, and no other brand has this kind of dealer support