Free Small Marine Diesel sitting 20 years, will it Run?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- viewer Dave reached out to me on a Renault single cylinder marine diesel engine that he bought as a spare for his sail boat, lets see how it survived after sitting 21 years in a shed,
This is the first Mustie video I've seen where he didn't take a carb apart and didn't regret it. :)
One of the most expensive things in life is a FREE BOAT!
Lol! Truth!,
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they can be a lot of FUN also.
And a wife
Yes i got 2 from a buddy, the 87 has a 1976 mercury 150hp tower of power needs a distributor and my 89 century needs a carb and outdrive has a little steering play soooo yes they need money dropped in them
I did a lot of engineering work for the telephone company. They used nothing but K-1 herosene to run their emergency generators. The reason was it was less subject to algae growth in the fuel during long term storage. The only downside to using K-1 kerosene in a Diesel engine is it has less lubricity so fuel system components and injectors tend to wear faster. Because those emergency generators only ran a few hundred hours per year at most, this wasn’t really a problem.
Also, don’t ever attempt to stop a Diesel engine by putting your hand or a rag over the air intake. A large engine will suck your hand right into the intake! If a diesel won’t stop by shutting off the fuel, use a flat board to cover the air intake.
Oh Sunday morning, all is right in this world once again as "Mustie1" takes me along. with a full cup of hot coffee in hand...txs for sharing
Doing the very same here, all the way down here in New Zealand ☕️
Better off sticking with the outboard on that O'Day 23. It would be a major refit to cram that inboard on a boat that was never meant for it. Not to mention that you would need at least 3 new thru-hulls for cooling, exhaust and the prop shaft. I don't know too many sailors in favor of more holes in their boat.
Go electric
That's a Catalina 22. One of the best trailer sailor boats ever.
Thought that looked like my Catalina 22, just newer.
If he wants to race in class it needs to be original.
You obviously aren't a regular viewer of his channel...? It's Mustie; It will slip right in on the very first try!
Diesel Marine dreams... still running my three cylinder Volvo Pinta... in my PCC 46' sloop, which at one time I changed from an old, Atomic 4...Always makes me chuckle, with a smile, especially in cold weather.
Not strapping that motor down to the table the whole time was driving my OCD nuts lol
Dear Dennis H.
👍👌👏 Exactly my thoughts too! 😁😁
Best regards luck and health.
@@Chr.U.Cas1622 thanks cas same to you!
me too i kept thinking that sucker will hurt if it lands on your foot
haha lots of OCD in this comment section hahahaha....It was making me nuts too!.....
I was thinking it just needed a rubber pad to stop the sliding.
My guess is the reason that the cylinder is rusted is that it may have been replaced or rebuilt. They usually aren't painted.
WD40 is an excellent starting aid for diesel engines, you can flood them, basically its called washing out the cylinders and it causes damage, on the injection pump or the lift pump there is a a prime plunger, it does help to fill the filter can up first
Really good to see you back to full health. All you need now is the barber shop to open! Great stuff Mustie1.
Can't tell you how freaking cool this engine is and seeing you back in excellent form made my entire day.
Excellent, im so happy to hear that pop-pop!
Nothing like starting my 55th birthday with a Mustie1 video!!!
Happy birthday kid.
Happy birthday!! 🎂
Happy birthday mate
Happy Birthday!
Thank you! Today would have also been my father's 96th birthday, but he passed on 4 years ago. It's because of him that I learned to love fixing things. Happy Birthday, Daddy.
Dave seems like a great dude hopefully the motor is as nice to you as he was
I definitely wouldn’t miss Dave’s moving sale. The factory Yanmar tab is super clean and rare.
Everything around his shed was neat and tidy, even the door was clean. And even the ramp, when he backed out with the Diesel motor, had all of the cross-boards all neatly aligned. He liked to have things 'just so!' for sure.
24:08. That laugh we all missed for the last few weeks ! It’s a good day Darren !
The plunger on the fuel pump is the cutoff.
This old engine sounds absolutely lovely. Well done ! Greetings from the Netherlands 🤝🏻👍🏻🇳🇱
was getting ready to type this when i saw you type it.
A one lunger diesel. What a trip. It runs! Dave is a Godsend!
Dave is my kinda guy. Sets out to buy a water pump and buys a whole engine!
aaaand paid to ship it cross country.
All I can think of is making a great generator or a tractor . Sweet little engine .
Mustie it is soo nice to see you back healthy and in your element! We sure enjoy wrenching in the garage with you.
Love it!!..side note, I picked up a “free” fishing boat some years back..after I rebuilt the wheel hubs, rewired the trailer lights, welded all the holes up in the hull..rebuilt the drive on the outboard..then bought a new outboard because the old engine had no compression..I probably could have bought a decent used boat!
That small button you lifted up is the excess fuel/ cold start button, you put the throttle forward and lift up the button, it will stay up until the engine starts. Before running a marine deisel without water remove the impeller from the raw water pump, it needs water to lubricate it and keep it cool. Oil should be put down the little filler on the top of the engine to raise the compression on cold days.
He didn't have a belt hooked up, the water pump wasn't turning
@@Adamsadventures83 Good point.
I wonder if that's what mustie felt when he said the throttle popped lower into idle
@@DaCoder Pushing that lever further below idle will shut off the fuel to the injector to stop the engine. (Edit: I just remembered that there is a separate knob you pulled on to stop it.)(*** just trying to remember how things worked with the shut down, in the area where the throttle cable hooks up, there is another lever that another pull cable hooks to and when you pull on it, it lets the throttle lever drop down further below idle cutting off the fuel to the injector. Then to restart, you have to apply throttle to allow the interlink to reset so the throttle linkage allows fuel to flow to the injector and holds idle at lowest setting.)
With all the craziness in the world, it’s good to take a break and watch Mustie wrench on something for a while 😀
That's some garden shed. It's amazing how when you buy them you say that they'll be ideal to keep all your garden tools in and then next time you look, there's everything in there but. They get filled with the treasure trove of life 😃
U gotta build one my guy
Mustie 1 that was absolutely brilliant to watch great work 👍👍
It only needed 2 seconds (from 24.50 min to 24.52) to really make my day! The great and famous Mustie1 laugh (= it runs and I won) is pretty priceless.
I'm sooo glad that he is completely healthy again (including his voice).
Just about the smoothest diesel I’ve ever heard, especially for a single cylinder!
Hey mustie, I have watched you for a while now and I just wanted to say thank you. Your show has helped me get through some rough times. I tinker too.
you read my mind. I thought "he's going to burn up that starter", and you put your hand on it to feel it. Perfect timing...
Love watching Mustie turn a wrench, but if I ever visited his shop, I would be reluctant to drink a mug of anything.
Nothing is more exiting to watch than Dr. Musties Operating Table and its patients getting the old how 'yer doing....!
Speed control, engine off regulated by the Injection Pump fuel quantity plunger... just like the old 1958 Mercedes Benz 180 D ...
Dr. Frankernmustie;..It's alive...!
I think he really only wanted your help cleaning out the shed.
The amount of trust in put in a starter on an obsolete diesel engine is incredible.
Glad to see your back and ur voice is back to normal.
Normal is a relative term
Just saying
Glad to see you're back - I am happy you have returned.
Glad to see your back - I am happy to be looking at the rear side of your body.
Dave's shed even had metal oil drip pans built into the floor for vehicle work.
Oh how the other half live.
God bless America and God bless the Mr Darren family.
The "pull button" beside the throttle linkage on the filter side should be a fuel shut off/ pressure bypass to shut the engine down.
Thanks for sharing!🇨🇦
You and your friend both scored BIG TIME with those picks. I was afraid that the engine was going to walk off the lift when it started. Oops
AWESOME timing my coffee is brewing!!
Wheres the carburetor on it?
blocking the air intake is one way to stop a runaway diesel. great video
That is a Catalina 22. They never have an inboard. To install an inboard you would have to put in a shaft tube, shaft, strut and cutlass bearing as well as set up the exhaust system, install a below deck fuel tank and put in a thru hull for letting cooling water into the boat. You would also need to install engine beds glassed to the hull. Just as an estimate you would be looking at the better part of $2K to do the install. It is NOT worth it.
The dimple in the hull is from the bunk board rotting out. Ideally that dimple should be ground out and the hull reglassed. Your friend is wrong, when on a trailer the weight of a Catalina 22 is on the bunk boards NOT the keel. That is a swing keel with a pivot bolt at the front end. when on the trailer the keel is lowered into a spot on the trailer at the aft end of the keel, but NONE of the hull weight should rest on the keel. At the very least, the boat needs to be lifted and new bunk boards put in. Pressure treated 2x6s should do the job. The boat was free because of the damage to the hull.
Nice fix Mustie. your a genius 🤯. And it's very nice of you to offer it to your friend, kudos to u man God bless you
Great advice Todd
This is all correct
Great analysis!
@@droski33 Concur, Todd. Better off spending the money on a nice used outboard. MUCH better set up than an inboard diesel for a boat that size.
It's quite impressive the number old engines that are abandoned for generations yet they are completely operational when shown a few hours of love and just a few dollars.
That’s a Catalina 22. I own one also. You can open those lazarettes at the rear of the cockpit and see inside the hull. The port side holds the gas tank and the other odds and ends. There is about 2 feet of clearance under the lazarettes and one foot under the center of the cabin. It would be very difficult to install that diesel. That Catalina is built for an outboard propulsion. That bulge in the hull is worrisome… probably means moisture invaded the wooden core in between the inner and outer fiberglass. I love your can do spirit, you could probably make that diesel some how work with that Catalina.
Yes, the dent in the hull may spell the end of the boat…. Very difficult to correct.
Several different methods to regain shape, but all require some structural reinforcement.
Yeah I'm thinking generator or go kart.
@@deweypug Now we know why the boat was free.
@@williammc3183 I’m thinking that the cockpit scuppers got clogged and the cockpit filled with water over time. May be worth fixing the hull since it was free. It’s a fun boat to sail.
A warm hello from 🇬🇧 😉
A quick tip regarding cold start of all diesels that you don't want to use ether on. Ether or easy start addicts them and once you use it they don't like stating without it.
All you need is a few sheets of newspaper tightly twisted up to resemble a wick, light it and hold it close to the air intake so the flames get drawn into the cylinder head. Helps to ignite the atomised diesel by adding heat and flame.
Crude I know but this practice has been used for decades by the old timey mechs of yesteryear.
I'm 62 years old and I was a heavy truck mechanic for 30 years. This trick was passed on to me by the old guy who was teaching me as an apprentice back in the late 70's.
Sketchy I know but works every time.
I enjoy your vids, we're on the same page as I never shy'd away from anything mechanical, electrical or fabrication related play time.
The most endearing thing about your vids is the way you talk to us as if we're standing next to you.
Stay well and thank you for your time.
I would stick with outboard on that particular boat. But the engine would be useful on some other application. Good fuel pressure now.
If you got yourself a little wooden row boat a la African Queen it would be a good little engine. I worked on a cottage and they had a vintage double ender (pointy on both ends) with a striped canopy that was similar to the african queen. It had a little diesel and a big wooden rudder with a tiller. It'd putt putt putt around the lake at a whopping 4 mph but it was a small lake and they'd go out every night for a "cruise". All the other cottagers would smile and wave....
I so enjoy watching you fix these old engines Awsome!!!
Mustie1 viewers are the best! Nice one Dave.
For your buddy to convert his "free" sailboat with a small "kicker" outboard mount, to an inboard drive will be a HUGE project, fraught with many, many problems. I worked at a marina, and owned an outboard motor repair business for many years, and so I'm just saying..
Yes, it could be done, but the headaches it would create for him would be very daunting.
Can't beat a Sunday with Mustie1 and perhaps a extra cheeky Wednesday midweek teaser
I concur.
Thanks Mustie1,
Sometimes free is good.
Fun motors to work on.
Central California Watching
you should open musties museum of curiosity, all different types of engines and automotive on display, that would be fun ,
I purchased a 10kw diesel generator that hadn't run in who knows how many years. The fuel in the filter was the consistency of honey. Hand pumped clean fuel through before starting. Runs great. 3 cylinder Nissan engine. Usually 2hp per kw, so 20hp engine.
Diesel gelling in the cold is no fun. Been there with generator and school buses. Might get idle on the bus, but not enough to move or keep warm. Cold kiddies at minus 25 C.
Free boat! I live in the wrong country. We only get dead fridges, that even the scrap men won't take. 🤔
A free boat is a boat that will never sail again in this case I think.
a chopped up pile of fiberglass and rotted wood will cost you $500us for a dumpster to have hauled away in musties town.
Coffee with Mustie Clamp Free Engine Excitement!!!; )
If you keep running it on kerosene, it will damage the high pressure pump. Use diesel instead or mix the kerosene with 2-stroke oil. The kerosene has very little lube effect unlike diesel. Nice video!
Sorry, that's wrong. All NATO Diesel engines run on JP8 during missions like ISAF. Only modern CR injections have problems with the hp pump. Older Diesel engines like this one burn anything that has a simular viscosity like Diesel, they run on heating oil as well as on cerosene or even garlic oil.
@@stefankaufmann8257 Diesel fuel has some lubrication properties. Which is why it is called diesel oil fuel. kerosene is a much 'drier' type fuel, running a diesel on kerosene will have damage implications to injection equipment and the bore of the cylinder too in time.
@@mfc4591 i know about the difference between diesel and cerosene. P-pump systems are lubricated by engine oil, no further lubrication needed. VE pumps are also capable of burning cerosene without any damage. Direct injection engines were fed with cerosene for almost two decades at the ISAF mission in Afghanistan. Do you need any further proof?
If you are scared to run an old diesel on cerosene, mix it 1:100 with 2-stroke oil.
@@ruben_balea sorry, that's wrong and i'm pretty shocked about the amount of dangerous not-knowing.
NATO does not use multi fuel engines anymore except for some tanks and old trucks. All Jeeps like HMMVW and Mercedes G use STD diesel engines.
If you mix engine oil with diesel, you will ruine your dpf almost immediately, because engine oil does not burn completely, ash will block the dpf. Intake valves (via EGR) and exhaust will build up layers of carbon. If additional lubrication is needed, the additiv will be 2-stroke oil in 1:50 or 1:100. But once again: NATO does not use any additives to run diesel engines on JP8. The engines don't last forever, but the real problem for modern diesel engines is not JP8, but sulfur from bad fuel, as it destroys the cylinder walls of aluminum blocks.
@@ruben_balea all modern european military diesel engines have to comply to euro regulations and you won't get anything else but CR with EGR, DPF and addblue.
Your idea of mixing engine oil to the diesel is dangerous, as it will damage or even destroy almost any CR engine or at least exhaust, DPF, turbo, EGR and intake. And even if it was an older indirect injection engine, it would be stupid to mix engine oil to the fuel, that's what 2-stroke oil is for and always has been.
I love when viewers are featured on the channel and help provide content. What a cool community you have on here
Rusted up Exhaust riser and manifold is always the issue on older salt water engines.
Nice Yanmar tractor.
They are excellent quality.
Having a little diesel in that sail boat would be fantastic.
That is a cool Diesel engine. You could hear the sound of compression the more it spun over. Great job.
I like when you have a new engine that you know nothing about, and discover and learn in the meantime, it really makes it interesting when you yourself feel like you are involved and learn how the engine is built. You are the best mechanic on CZcams / Per Lidberg Sweden
In most boats the fuel tank would be above it and have a gravity feed.
There will be no place in a Catalina 22 for an inboard engine. It isn't designed for one at all.
The first pump that’s under the starter is the lift pump. It should be good for a few feet in any event.
Sawzall
If he decides to fix the hull, he can do everything at once.
If he decides to fix the hull, fitting an inboard engine isn't going to be a biggy.
Diesels are pretty much indestructible as long as there's oil in the crank case and it doesn't overheat.
You continuously amaze me with your deductive reasoning, even Sherlock Holmes would have been impressed. Thanks for the fun !
Somebody beat me to the comment yeah that plunger on the fuel pump is the fuel/Engine cut off I think you pull it and twist it and shuts the old girl down ..just Remy to twist and let it spring back before you start it ...great work once again Darren, love your channel,
Greetings from England
(Retired 14yrs)plant mechanic
I'm guessing that bad spot in the hull is why the boat was free. The U.S.S Money Pit.
They say "There's nothing more expensive then a free boat" and there's a lot of truth to that, unless you're very familiar with boats and don't mind doing the work yourself. If you *are* such a person, you can get some decent deals though (The Magic Carpet of minor CZcams fame fell off of a lift and lost the whole transom, but fixing it took her owners several years). It does require a good eye for what's worth the elbow grease, though.
That motor is set up for a rope pull! That must have been a hearty guy that on a diesel.
I love the laugh when it ran. Enjoyed every minute, thanks
I have that same jump box. Wasn't cheap but after they bought one at the water department I worked at for 20yrs. We used and abused the hell out of it! Jumped backhoes, industrial generators, huge compressors that ran bullets that rams it's head under the road for water service lines.they probably make higher amperage ones but little blue is badass!!!
I'm kind of surprised that engine didn't have a stuck valve from sitting! It started relatively easy once you got fuel to it! I don't think that would be a good fit for that sailboat, since it's already set up for a small outboard. Until you reinforce the hull for the weight of the diesel, make pass-throughs for water in and out, and your shaft fitments, you're going to have a LOT of time and money involved. Something along the lines of a reliable stationary generator (say 5500 to 6k) would keep it busy, plus it could be set up with remote start with the electric starter.😉
I think I need to know who made that starter. That starter is the real hero in all of this lol
The Florida pool pump motor bearing repair guy When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info Mustie1
Never saw a video I didn't like, Thanks my friend.
Mustie. Thats what the other lever is for next to the throttle lever you was asking/ wondering about the fuel shut down lever
Agreed, on a diesel, the shutoff always goes to the injector pump, normally pushing the metering rack beyond its lower limit. Regarding using a rag to stop a diesel, that is a bad idea, it will suck it in, best to use a solid item larger than the inlet diameter
Spring-loaded pin on the injector pump is your fuel shut off. Spring automatically shuts off, you must pull out against the spring to let fuel to the injector pump.
@@stanRmeyer this guy is correct
SO, was he playing with the 'Governer'? That's what I was thinking. (Wondering why he did not hook up a wire to the other side?)
"Nice little tractor you have there. And you say you're moving.......?"
Diesel Mustie1, nice! Don't run it on simple kerosene for too long, Diesel fuel is mostly kerosene, but there is a lubricant added for the sake of the pumps and injectors. Never used to care much about Diesels, then I saw how easy they are to get going after being stowed away for decades.
You know more than most people about Diesels, I like the new track you're getting on!
Darren, the only modern engines that have both diesel fuel injectors and a carburetor/spark plugs, would be multifuel engines. Most are military, because wherever one goes for deployment, or combat, either diesel fuel or gas is used.
I own a multi-fuel 2 1/2 ton army truck and it definitely doesnt have a carburetor.
Always enjoy that 'heheh' when you get an engine to run.
I want to make that my ring tone.
I don’t like it actually
Ditto
@@paulsto6516 thats just weird
Nick, I didn’t know you watched ole mustie1.
Nice of you helping him get to motor! 👍
Yesterday I was watching the seized marine diesel series wishing you had more diesels videos. Guess you were reading my mind.
Sunday is complete, lunch done, glass of wine 🍷, Mustie1 new video posted, chill out and from the sofa chip in with comment and "advice" on how to sort this weeks piece of kit. Great little motor, lovely to see the previous owner and his assistance in getting the engine loaded
The Primary is usually called a "lift pump" with the manual pump lever to prime the system.
I haven't even watched the vijeo yet but I KNOW GOD DAMN IT, it will run after D gets his hands on it.!!!!!
Make a whole house generator with it , motor sounds fine
Glad to see you back to feeling good. Missed your videos. Keep it up.
Only Mustie would have a random drum of Kerosene laying around😅
He cuts bar and chain oil with it to spray the frames of vehicles for rustproofing.
The boat looks like a Catalina 22… they don’t have inboard engines. To fit one would require a angled skeg moulding to take a stern tube for a drive shaft. You’d need to ballast the boat fore and aft so that she sits level in the water. You also need to fabricate an engine bed inside somewhere just behind the companionway step (there is a keel winch located there so it won’t be straightforward) and it will need careful alignment for the transmission, thrust bearing, and packing gland in the prop shaft and stern tube. You will need to also route water cooling with intake seacock, strainer and water cooled exhaust outlet, maybe from the transom, just above the water line and ensure you have an anti-siphon elbow to prevent water flooding the boat via the exhaust system… hope that helps.
Outboard it is!
Kerosene is "thinner" in that it is more refined than DF2. Refining removes the parafin that lubes the injectors and injector pump, and gels up in the winter.
Kerosene or #1 diesel fuel is mixed with #2 diesel fuel in cold weather to improve startability.
Today's fossil diesel fuel is so dry for emissions purposes that it does not lubricate well. Biodiesel would be a better choice for lubricity; even kerosene. Or add a small amount of vegetable oil to the fuel.
Since they are fuel injected, they used return lines to the tank and regulated the pressure. A small electric 4-7 psi fuel pump feeds the injection pump that pressurizes the fuel sufficiently high to open the injector.
All diesels can run all they long on Kerosene its the highpressure pumps of these days that need lub from the diesel witch Kerosene does not. I run all my mechanic diesels on kerosene/engine oil/diesel. what ever. they eat everything if it burns
Keresene is Paraffin and do not lub newer highpressure pumps
Wow great little motor, nice sail boat to wow freee !
Probably not a direct injection diesel. It will be a "pop" injector that uses pressure to overcome an internal spring to push fuel into a pre-chamber.
@@bradleyroth8447 Before HPOP, most diesels used high pressure fuel pumps to overcome the spring tension in the injectors, Ford IDI is an example of that method. GM 6.2 and 6.5 (Humvee's) also use pop injectors, as well as most diesels before about 1995.
Nice revival! Thank you for recording.
Every time a boat comes up for free here in Scotland a business person usually jumps right in there on a Monday morning when everybody else is at work and takes it away on a truck before doing little if anything at all to it and selling it for a bundle
That's annoying.
What..... a business person is doing what while everyone else is working???? I see your little European marxist ideals showing through.
It's alive!...Never a dull moment...Thanks!
Mustie1, I honestly believe you could work on the Titanic's engines for 15 minutes, and have them running. YOU'RE GOOD !!!
It appears your Covid19 is doing better. I'm tickled !
Happy Sunday got my coffee time to look over your shoulder and work.
A lot of diesel generators will run at 1800, whereas gas will be at 3600. You’d probably need an (genset) alternator to be setup for 1800 to use that.
A 2 pole generator needs 3600rpm to produce 120VAC @ 60 hertz frequency.(Gas engines need revs to produce power.)
A 4 pole alternator can do the same rotating @ 1800rpm.... very suitable revs for a diesel engine....
Just fit the engine with a radiator system/electric cooling fan (driven by the output of the 12VDC alternator) and away you go..
Could also fit a 3600RPM generator with a 2:1 belt drive, if the input shaft can be connected to a pulley
A great little put put motor and it will suit that Catalina 22 just nice.
When we have to, we use a heat gun blowing into the air intake. Poor man's intake heater. Hahaha
A kettle full of boiling water poured over it works well!
You needed to crack the fill plug on the top of the filter while you were priming it until you were absolutely sure there was no more air in the intake side. That little motor it won't take but one bubble to cause it to die.
I once worked on a new diesel van that ran on the oil leaking from the turbo into the intake. It had about 5000 miles on it. They really don't need much to run.
A bit more than a small leak into the turbo...and runaway diesel...
well it will run until all the oil in the crankcase is burnt by the flat out revving engine.
Then it will seize.
Not the time to put your hand over the intake to choke it....solid wood works...
cloth will go right through the engine....which will keep running....
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq THis time I as i rember it wasnt enogh for it to run if you put it in a higher gear.. I was an apprentice at the time and my instructor didnt believe my diagnosis that it was a leaky turbo. The intercooler had quite alot of oil in it to considering the air pressure goes the other way.
Cool job Mustie. Enjoyed the watch. ThankU from Oztralia
thought he bought it to take the water pump off of it?
Nice motor your right that would make a nice Jen two thumbs