It was said that the Admiral of the Navy needed someone to blame which means he may have had a personal vendetta against Ryan Mays. I think that just because of the fact that Mays failed BUDS, the authorities were way too quick to select that as an excuse, or better yet as a motive, as to why he was accused of doing the fire. Because of this, I'm starting to lose a slight amount of hope for the Navy. I don't think that we can trust these 'leaders' of the Navy.
If the ship is at dock and being repaired why don't they let the crew on leave unless they're directly involved in the repairs? I'm assuming that engineers are the ones that are going to do the job. Why should you be on a barge when you're in Port just twiddling your thumbs. No wonder morale is low in that situation. Also wouldn't there be cameras all over the place?
Jake I don’t really have a question or a statement on this one, this one is strictly for the algorithm because you deserve a SHIT ton more subs but CZcams don’t seem to like pushing real ones💯💯💯
I've followed this on another channel - SubBrief, that's run by an Ex-Sonarman from a 688 class, He also was furious at the way the Navy handled this. Pointing out parallels between this and the USS Iowa Turret explosion, only in this case the guy who was being railroaded got his day in court and was vindicated. Disgraceful.
Right on the money, by holding the "people in charge" accountable! It'll never happen in the military. I've seen it myself, as you have. Good call Jake! You're on fire! So to speak.
Jake...former Navy and Illini alum ('91)...what can you share about the success of the football program this year...I'm almost rubbing my eyes in astonishment! What have they been doing to "right the ship" down there?
It didn't sound right from the beginning when the story came out. Being in port, the Engineering and DC leadership would have already established fire control procedures having 5 out of the 6 AFFF stations OOC. For me, it was painful watching the ship burn for 4 days...I was the ADCA from 2013 - 2014; I know there were a lot of leadership failures amongst the khakis within the engineering department. CHENG's the DCO and should have already had a game plan in the event a fire breaks out.
My understanding is that this ship has niether been "Sunk" or been "Destroyed". It did sustain massive and very expensive damage but the Headline is wrong.
According to the Official investigation, Lithium batteries were being improperly stored and not only that flammable material was being stored right next to the Lithium batteries. The Admiral's story and thinking has so many holes in it, it might as well be Swiss cheese. There's plenty of blame to go around on this one but none of it is on Seaman Mays. This is just Dereliction of Duty on the Part of the C.O. , Officer Corps and the Senior Enlisted. Regulations Exist to prevent this kind of thing from happening. But some of them weren't followed. And that is Ultimately on the C.O. . POTUS and The Secretary of Defense need to chew some Azz on this one. Anyway Great Post, way to keep it real. 😊❤️✌️
Great vid! Straight question: Out of those who drop from BUD/S who are sent back to the fleet, how many of the enlisted men do you think continue to go into officer's training or something similar? About the whole thing, yeah this all looks like a bunch of deflecting. Nice for someone to call it out as it is.
@@Plasmawarrior When I ask why did your DOR from Navy Officer Program....Getting a STEM degree in this area is difficult. In fact, during the 1980's they made easilier as long their is document STEM basic two year course of Physics, Math, Calculus, Chemistry, Naval engineering.... Balancing a physical training and also the very hard education standard....it is hard. Many graduate with other than STEM Degree...but I suspect many don't know the down the road...l like those Naval Officer with Business Degree...at some point from 48 to 62 you can work for the federal government, military and etc...Start your own business...But damm this musical degree swapping. I also some officer make rank with other people advance STEM degree... The quality control sucks or their kiss assing is strong. Getting the STEM Degree is the point of NROTC program. PS Naval Academy do offer non STEM degrees but their is a cost....
Navy seems lame and absolutely no accountability. A BIC lighter...Lol. Ive heard from MULTIPLE former Navy members that Today's Navy is a disaster. That poor kid did absolutely nothing.
I used to do contracting work, this whole story sounds like it was an accident waiting to happen and they knew. In the private sector you can see crazy stuff and walk away, the military not so much. They figure the Ship is being overhauled, probably a lot of private sector (civilian) contractors, etc working on board. They figured all of these fire/safety issues will be addressed by them. Nobody figures a fire is going to start on a $1.2 billion ship and if it does, they are thinking the fire suppression equipment and systems are going to work. Back of your mind the thought might pop in, what if that battery catches that oily rag on fire, nahh it won't happen and if it does there are sprinklers, people working in the area, it will be out in 2 minutes. They thought wrong. They have this situation they created, the worst case scenario happened and rather than admit they all screwed the pooch, they want to blame the seaman. He was a scapegoat. In any normal situation, if the safety/fire suppression systems etc were functioning, the fire is out as stated (in minutes). The CoC was thinking, well it didn't matter if none of that stuff worked or appropriate safety measures were in place, because they wouldn't have been needed if there wasn't a fire. I bet you will find a couple budgets, one probably has to do with the overall operation costs of the ship in terms of maintenance, upkeep, etc. Then there is a separate budget for the overhaul. They try to get as much stuff on that overhaul budget as possible. My guess is you had the CoC trying to look good, saving a few hundred thousand or more on the systems they knew were broken by sliding them into the overhaul.
Damage Control Doctrines and also maintenance tech books actually say to set a manual fire watch. In fact, the first watch for recruits is to set up rovingsecurity/firewatch for the barrack. Therefore, I think it cost the government less to pay a contractor to be on the firewatch to watch that known space assigned for civilian use. This way beyond incompetence and approaches Fraud, Waste and Abuse. The Caption, XO or Command Master Ship should have an advance STEM degree when the ship is know to be going into a highly engineering tempo...Shipyard/Drydock.....They did not have that common sense qualification. Shipyard don't actually hire the STEM degree people they proposed in RFP...they lied.
@Jake Zweig but you definitely hit all the the key points. I was talking to Bernie about this one. How the F does someone not set proper firewatches or expect the SDFD to be the primary source for firefighting on your ship.
You bring a straight approach and inform us your subscribers of information that I would never see or be interested in. Down to earth and seem to be approachable. Keep up the good work and the positive energy. I appreciate it and thanks.
@Jake isn't it INSANE they almost sent an E-3 to jail for 100 years?!?! Why do the admirals always scapegoat the young enlistees? The poor kid could've been jailed until he was 60. WOW, scary stuff.
He rang the bell, but believes BUDS is where he belongs. He knew he was headed for the fleet before he rang the bell. So now he's gonna start a fire in a ship that's already in dry dock. He'd have no way of knowing that a Bic lighter and fluid would be enough to decommission the ship entirely. And worst-case scenario, he'd just get sent to another ship. So, none of these scenario's put him back in BUDS any sooner, assuming he even wanted to get back to BUDS, because, after-all, he's the one who rang the bell. In my opinion, this was a much more insidious instance of sabotage, possibly related to what's happening/getting ready to happen in coming months in the WestPac, let's just put it that way. This was not orchestrated by a bunch of Seaman Recruits, duh...
As someone who was on the ship during the time you’re pretty wrong to think that. As Jake said a lot of it has to do with the command triad; for instance the CO was having sailors move onto the ship when the ships berthing’s had no working water or working toilets. That right there should tell you what you need to know. The CO is who’s supposed to be ultimately responsible for the ship and it’s crew.
I was in the Navy in the 80s and there was a fire watch for the fire watch I thought it was super redundant. Zero shocks they are pinning it on a boot camp. E3 not exactly a Boot Camp but when you’re going up against the high end zeros, it is.
It was said that the Admiral of the Navy needed someone to blame which means he may have had a personal vendetta against Ryan Mays. I think that just because of the fact that Mays failed BUDS, the authorities were way too quick to select that as an excuse, or better yet as a motive, as to why he was accused of doing the fire. Because of this, I'm starting to lose a slight amount of hope for the Navy. I don't think that we can trust these 'leaders' of the Navy.
Absolutely 💯 man
If the ship is at dock and being repaired why don't they let the crew on leave unless they're directly involved in the repairs? I'm assuming that engineers are the ones that are going to do the job. Why should you be on a barge when you're in Port just twiddling your thumbs. No wonder morale is low in that situation. Also wouldn't there be cameras all over the place?
@@jonathanperry8331 no cameras, yah it is some bullshit a lot of the time your 12 on 12 off...
Everyone has broken shit
Great explanation Jake! I’m glad Mays got acquitted. I hope he is able stay positive with his life and future endeavors.
10000000%
Jake I don’t really have a question or a statement on this one, this one is strictly for the algorithm because you deserve a SHIT ton more subs but CZcams don’t seem to like pushing real ones💯💯💯
It is coming man!!!!!
I've followed this on another channel - SubBrief, that's run by an Ex-Sonarman from a 688 class, He also was furious at the way the Navy handled this. Pointing out parallels between this and the USS Iowa Turret explosion, only in this case the guy who was being railroaded got his day in court and was vindicated.
Disgraceful.
Thats a great point
Officer's Hunted a Enlisted fall Guy....
Exposed Them Criminal Officer's
From this case
If one guy can take down a warship that's a problem in itself.
Right on the money, by holding the "people in charge" accountable! It'll never happen in the military. I've seen it myself, as you have. Good call Jake!
You're on fire! So to speak.
Thanks man
The f**k happened to “every sailor is a firefighter”?
No question man
Glad you covered this one! You nailed it. Mays was a scapegoat that got played by the brass. If I see another one that stands out I will send it over!
can you do a video on Eddie Gallagher on your take on his case and Matt Cole's claims about ST6 skinning and de-capitating terrorists?
Ok let me see thats pretty old
Just look at the Interview on th3 Shawn Ryan channel.
20:38 "The bama of the week-week-weeeeeek." - Huggy Low-Down
YOOOOO SEAMAN JAMES WAS JAMES BOND🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣IM DYIN!!!! KEEP IT COMING ZWEIG!!!!!!
One thing I did add was the hanger area all have AFF fire fighting systems like auto automatic sprinklers. Clearly that shit was not working either
Jake...former Navy and Illini alum ('91)...what can you share about the success of the football program this year...I'm almost rubbing my eyes in astonishment! What have they been doing to "right the ship" down there?
Brought in an OC who knows how to scr
SCORE....BEEN recruiting a lot better
You missed your calling as a defense attorney lol, would’ve loved having you call my state’s attorney stuff like “king idiot” in the courtroom
I can't not make this shit up
Justice Zweig in da house!
It didn't sound right from the beginning when the story came out. Being in port, the Engineering and DC leadership would have already established fire control procedures having 5 out of the 6 AFFF stations OOC. For me, it was painful watching the ship burn for 4 days...I was the ADCA from 2013 - 2014; I know there were a lot of leadership failures amongst the khakis within the engineering department. CHENG's the DCO and should have already had a game plan in the event a fire breaks out.
No bad teams just bad leaders
My understanding is that this ship has niether been "Sunk" or been "Destroyed". It did sustain massive and very expensive damage but the Headline is wrong.
They are sending it to scrap
Lost the whole ship. Prolly some contractor scheme now they gonna get paid to build a shiny new ship w the latest weapons and radar n sht
Thats another great angle
I respect your take JZ!
Well done Sir!
According to the Official investigation, Lithium batteries were being improperly stored and not only that flammable material was being stored right next to the Lithium batteries. The Admiral's story and thinking has so many holes in it, it might as well be Swiss cheese. There's plenty of blame to go around on this one but none of it is on Seaman Mays. This is just Dereliction of Duty on the Part of the C.O. , Officer Corps and the Senior Enlisted. Regulations Exist to prevent this kind of thing from happening. But some of them weren't followed. And that is Ultimately on the C.O. . POTUS and The Secretary of Defense need to chew some Azz on this one. Anyway Great Post, way to keep it real. 😊❤️✌️
Yes sir
Great report!!
Great vid! Straight question: Out of those who drop from BUD/S who are sent back to the fleet, how many of the enlisted men do you think continue to go into officer's training or something similar?
About the whole thing, yeah this all looks like a bunch of deflecting. Nice for someone to call it out as it is.
Very very few because the Navy for the most part makes you do your enlisted
@@jakezweig Damn that sucks. So you have to start working toward being commissioned instead of enlisting. Got you.
Again great work as always!
@@Plasmawarrior When I ask why did your DOR from Navy Officer Program....Getting a STEM degree in this area is difficult. In fact, during the 1980's they made easilier as long their is document STEM basic two year course of Physics, Math, Calculus, Chemistry, Naval engineering.... Balancing a physical training and also the very hard education standard....it is hard. Many graduate with other than STEM Degree...but I suspect many don't know the down the road...l like those Naval Officer with Business Degree...at some point from 48 to 62 you can work for the federal government, military and etc...Start your own business...But damm this musical degree swapping. I also some officer make rank with other people advance STEM degree... The quality control sucks or their kiss assing is strong. Getting the STEM Degree is the point of NROTC program. PS Naval Academy do offer non STEM degrees but their is a cost....
What ship were you assigned to before going to Buds and becoming a US Navy Seal ?
USS MERRIMACK AO179
Ima go out on a limb here and assume your opinion is "they should have had a fire watch".
LOL it is the most simple thing in the world!!!!
Navy seems lame and absolutely no accountability. A BIC lighter...Lol. Ive heard from MULTIPLE former Navy members that Today's Navy is a disaster.
That poor kid did absolutely nothing.
I used to do contracting work, this whole story sounds like it was an accident waiting to happen and they knew. In the private sector you can see crazy stuff and walk away, the military not so much. They figure the Ship is being overhauled, probably a lot of private sector (civilian) contractors, etc working on board. They figured all of these fire/safety issues will be addressed by them.
Nobody figures a fire is going to start on a $1.2 billion ship and if it does, they are thinking the fire suppression equipment and systems are going to work. Back of your mind the thought might pop in, what if that battery catches that oily rag on fire, nahh it won't happen and if it does there are sprinklers, people working in the area, it will be out in 2 minutes. They thought wrong.
They have this situation they created, the worst case scenario happened and rather than admit they all screwed the pooch, they want to blame the seaman. He was a scapegoat. In any normal situation, if the safety/fire suppression systems etc were functioning, the fire is out as stated (in minutes). The CoC was thinking, well it didn't matter if none of that stuff worked or appropriate safety measures were in place, because they wouldn't have been needed if there wasn't a fire.
I bet you will find a couple budgets, one probably has to do with the overall operation costs of the ship in terms of maintenance, upkeep, etc. Then there is a separate budget for the overhaul. They try to get as much stuff on that overhaul budget as possible. My guess is you had the CoC trying to look good, saving a few hundred thousand or more on the systems they knew were broken by sliding them into the overhaul.
Amazing BOOOOOOOOOOM KAA comments sned it on FIRE
Damage Control Doctrines and also maintenance tech books actually say to set a manual fire watch. In fact, the first watch for recruits is to set up rovingsecurity/firewatch for the barrack. Therefore, I think it cost the government less to pay a contractor to be on the firewatch to watch that known space assigned for civilian use. This way beyond incompetence and approaches Fraud, Waste and Abuse. The Caption, XO or Command Master Ship should have an advance STEM degree when the ship is know to be going into a highly engineering tempo...Shipyard/Drydock.....They did not have that common sense qualification. Shipyard don't actually hire the STEM degree people they proposed in RFP...they lied.
@@rgloria40 dropping strait 🔥 thank you for the amazing comments
"DONKEY of the day"...
This was absolutely hilarious.
TRUE??????????
@Jake Zweig but you definitely hit all the the key points. I was talking to Bernie about this one. How the F does someone not set proper firewatches or expect the SDFD to be the primary source for firefighting on your ship.
@@josephjones6870 CRAZY RIGHT!
typical navy. it is why I am a proud ex navy civilian. s*** rolls down hill in the navy.the officers are off limits.
My Dude!!!
Mr. Zweig is my favorite officer 😍
Lets go we go more of these coming
@@jakezweig thank you sir. 😊
@HighFlyer lmfao.
If an employer googles Ryan Mays name they will see this BS they navy put him through. That’s can be a problem for him.
1000000000%
Jake what's your take on pull up assistance bands?
Stupid
Just keeping it real
You bring a straight approach and inform us your subscribers of information that I would never see or be interested in. Down to earth and seem to be approachable. Keep up the good work and the positive energy. I appreciate it and thanks.
@Jake isn't it INSANE they almost sent an E-3 to jail for 100 years?!?!
Why do the admirals always scapegoat the young enlistees? The poor kid could've been jailed until he was 60.
WOW, scary stuff.
Happens all the time
They got something to hide and more to lose... Many do a great job. However, they need to learn to go away...
Can a sailor sue the Navy? I mean his name is garbage 🗑️ at this point. It's going to be tough going forward
Nope not at all
He rang the bell, but believes BUDS is where he belongs. He knew he was headed for the fleet before he rang the bell. So now he's gonna start a fire in a ship that's already in dry dock. He'd have no way of knowing that a Bic lighter and fluid would be enough to decommission the ship entirely. And worst-case scenario, he'd just get sent to another ship. So, none of these scenario's put him back in BUDS any sooner, assuming he even wanted to get back to BUDS, because, after-all, he's the one who rang the bell. In my opinion, this was a much more insidious instance of sabotage, possibly related to what's happening/getting ready to happen in coming months in the WestPac, let's just put it that way. This was not orchestrated by a bunch of Seaman Recruits, duh...
As someone who was on the ship during the time you’re pretty wrong to think that. As Jake said a lot of it has to do with the command triad; for instance the CO was having sailors move onto the ship when the ships berthing’s had no working water or working toilets. That right there should tell you what you need to know. The CO is who’s supposed to be ultimately responsible for the ship and it’s crew.
You don't have a clue about anything....
@@dylannewton9986 for example?
@@Shotty21000 I don't see where we are disagreeing on anything in particular...?
@@Shotty21000 fuck that's a really big deal.....no water not bathrooms ...man bad
I was in the Navy in the 80s and there was a fire watch for the fire watch I thought it was super redundant. Zero shocks they are pinning it on a boot camp. E3 not exactly a Boot Camp but when you’re going up against the high end zeros, it is.
Thank ...fire watch in the fire watch