Kristen Pfaff: The Mysterious Death of Hole's Ex-Bassist
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- The mysterious death of Hole Bassist Kristen Pfaff
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Born in a suburb of Buffalo, New York, Kristen Pfaff would go to catholic school where she learned cello and piano at a young age. Her parents would divorce when she was young, but her mother would remarry and she would have a younger half brother. School mates of Pfaff who attended the same catholic school as her described her to the buffalo news as and i quote “bright, happy, always peppy," Not only that but she excelled in school achieving good grades and getting scholarships.
She would attend Boston College and do an exchange program in the Netherlands. It was ffter from returning overseas she would study English and literature at the university of Minnesota starting in 1988. It was while she was a student at the University of Minnesota, she was an important figure in the development of the University radio station called Radio K. There’s even a clip of her on CZcams hosting a show if you guys are interested.
Her father would tell the buffalo news "That's when Kristen's life really changed. She learned to play bass and wanted to be in a band."
She soon quit school and took up bass and started playing in a 3 piece called Janitor Joe that was part of the Minneapolis music scene.
Janitor Joe played angst ridden and loud music and that caught the attention of local indie label AmRep who signed the band and put out their debut record Big Metal Birds in 1992. It was while on tour with Janitor Joe that Hole guitarist Eric Erlandson attended one of their gigs. At this point in time Hole was without a bassist and needed one for their upcoming European Tour in 1993. Erlandson would tell Spin Magazine “I found Kristen in L.A. and said, “Come with me to meet Courtney [Love] and Patty [Schemel] when you get to Seattle.” She joined the band, she moved to Seattle, and that’s when all the songs came to life, literally. She was the star of her band and so she was bringing that to Hole and that created sparks in everybody; we all saw an even greater potential than before. Patty Schemel (pronounced at 0:20 mark here • Hole drummer Patty Sch... ) would add to Spin “Her playing was heavy, and she was knowledgeable, and she had command of her instrument. When she played, that was it: We knew.”
It was during that European tour that the band debuted material that was going to make their next record and the response was overwhelmingly positive. Sean Slade who worked on Hole’s second record Live Through This as an engineer and producer would recall to spin how once he heard the demos from the band he noticed that with the addition of Pfaff the band sounded more musical. The band would travel to Atlanta in October of 1993 to record the album.
Jim Merlis, a rep from Geffen Records, the band’s label would tell the buffalo news “"Kristen was really excited about making a record with Hole. She was so enthusiastic. She couldn't wait to start touring."
It was during the recording sessions for live through this that Erlandson and Pfaff were involved in a romantic relationship. In the book It was also speculated that peer pressure from her bandmates and friends in seattle led her to start using heroin.
Schemel would tell Spin: Kristen became Eric’s girlfriend, so they were tight. … Then there was me and my addiction with alcohol and drugs. Kristen and I would get together, and we were always trying to keep the amount of drugs we were doing secret. “Don’t tell Eric.” There were so many secrets. We were all frustrated, and we all had a lot of downtime. And so to deal with that, there was a lot of “hanging out.” I was frustrated. I wanted to play. I wanted to record. Erlandson would add in the same interview that during the making of the album he and Pfafff had broken up and there was noticable tension while recording the album
But it wasn’t just Erlandson and Pfaff who had tension between them as the bassist started to butt heads with frontwoman Courtney Love. Pfaff while new to the band was outspoken about musical ideas and that apparently rubbed Courtney Love the wrong way. Another factor contributing to Love’s resentment towards Pfaff at least according to the book Love and Death the murder of Kurt Cobain, was that the bassist had - Hudba
So what do you think happened to her?
i bet she honestly wanted to get off drugs, and was, but in her old stuff in that appartment there was still some... and instead of throwing it away she decided to have one last fix and since she was clean for a little while the dose was too much and she died.
I believe that Eric killed both Kristen and Kurt, for Courtney.
@@derivesrurale Exactly what I was thinking. Accidental overdose.
I think Eric probably brought some over with him and that's what he regrets. That he gave some to her and now she's dead. Such a tragedy that shouldn't have happened 😢
She died when she relapsed. People become more adamant about staying clean as the temptation grows, not when the temptation subsides. But stupid people like to believe stupid things rather than the most likely things.
Kristen was a few years younger than me. We went to Boston College together. My roommate dated her for a while. I was a bartender at SPIT and she’d hang out and we’d talk music. A lovely, quiet young woman as I remember. It wasn’t until the late 90s that I made the connection - gone too soon. RIP Kristen.
so sad to hear that. thank you for sharing, though.
She looks jewish
RlP
She fell into the spider's web that is Courtney Love
I didn't know she went to BC
Many people have a family doctor -Courtney Love has a family coroner.
😅 even dr Nicky hartshorn is long gone. She actually called him on record her ‘rock n roll md’. Wonder if she had any other cute names for him.
I never understood her being friends with an older coroner. What normal person does that. Weird.
😂😂😂😂
@@maryshelley3204
'My punk rock coroner'
He promoted her 1st
husband's punk band .
That's how they met.
Interesting jump in jobs.
In her defense, you need to havehone on retainer when you murder as many people as she does. It really stream lines the process.
Kristen was special. She has many many fans that have never forgotten her. Thanks for shining a little light for those that didn't know about her.
Wow. I’m glad someone actually did a story on this. Blessings
Kristen's death was underreported due to the OJ Simpson Bronco chase. Her dad Norm flew to Seattle and took her body back to Buffalo for the funeral on Jun 21. Days later, the U-Haul arrived at her mom's doorstep. Janet said unloading her belongings was terribly heartbreaking.
I can't even imagine.
Janet Pfaff sent a guy with her daughter to Seattle to get her belongings.She didn't want anyone near Kristen. Paul saw Eric go in the building & left her alone with him?
@@scottcharney1091
just try
definitely true
i remember oj on the news driving the van and all after
i didnt know a thing about this girl
I remember hole
😞
Eric Erlandson; "I want to help people avoid making the mistakes I made."
Also Eric Erlandson: "I did some dumb stuff"
That clears things up Eric thanks.
and people died because of it." Eric said that.
he admitted people ''died'', his words
Yep. He was one of the last people to see Kristen alive. He gave her the “present” from Courtney.
Ppl died. How isn't that looked into
@@user-cv8qe9ru8c cause cops don’t care if they are labeled a junkie.
In case anyone is ever in the Buffalo area and want to pay their respects, there is a beautiful big monument dedicated to her by where she is buried. Very nice cemetery.
Forest Lawn Cemetary. I walk there a lot. Ot is a very popular spot for birders, joggers. Rick James is buied there, we have a president.
Everyone dying around Courtney during that time is completely disturbing. I don't for one second believe she knew nothing about all of it.
Lots of people were dying on the Seattle scene at that time. Drug deaths, murders, accidents. Did Courtney arrange them all too?
Courtney Love's Hole.
@@frankelder1158 no but it's funny all the people that decided they didn't need her anymore and we're gonna be successful on their own suddenly ended up dead. This girl wasn't using anymore
@@enns5366 That's a really simplistic way of looking at it. Kurt had a raging heroin addiction that he didn't want to stop. He had the weight of the world on his shoulders and didn't want to be in his band anymore. Kristen was a recovering addict. She had been clean for a month (and had been previously hospitalized because of her addiction) and then unfortunately it sounds like she wanted one last hit and forgot that her tolerance levels had changed. That's usually why ODs happen.
@@frankelder1158 We found the agent smith...pretty sure your looking at it really simplistic. Look into Courtneys father and maybe while your at it look into Grohls family too and don't get me started on Corgan. You talk like you know things but you just regurgitate the party line you saw in a video. I ain't saying anything for sure but you can't just go they were drug addicts. Kurt had so many drugs in his system at the time of death there was no way he could of lifted a shotgun. Sorry dude but that FACT alone makes the entire story suspect. Btw how do I get a job being a shill in youtube comments?
Yeah, people relapse, but when you add all the pieces together, you gotta admit that the entire situation looks suspicious and you realize that had she never returned to Seattle she would probably very well still be alive.
The first time I read her story I felt the exact same way. She should've just stayed out of Seattle.
Heroin heroin heroin. Sorry but junk's hard to kick, especially when everybody you know is doing it.
Because Buffalo has no drug scene ??? LMAO, I'm Rick James' ghost, bitch...
Im just sorry we lost a most beautiful lady
I was infatuated with her talent and beauty 😢
Lovely looking girl, bassist to boot. That's worth bonus points.
I actually never heard of Kristen until she died, and haven't heard of her since. The info in this video is new to me.
Kristen was a brilliant young woman taken from us much too soon. It's nice to see people still talk about her, and appreciate all the contributions she made in her lifetime. We love you Kristen!!
She was more beautiful, more talented, and more interesting than Courtney Love. Just wanted to put that out there...
Absolutely
So delighted to see a new Kristen Pfaff video. I find Kristen infinitely fascinating. Please create more content on her! 🖤
She was involved in 1 mediocre album, then overdosed on heroine at a very young age. The end.
@@timpatrick2109: Tell us more about that!🤔😆
She was a beautiful, intelligent and talented person. It really is awful. Those scumbags she unfortunately surrounded herself with.
Odd choice describing Amphetamine Reptile as a local label and not even mentioning the label name. AmRep was based in Minneapolis but was home to Helmet, Unsane, the Jesus Lizard, Melvins, the Cosmic Psychos, just to name a few. They were probably the one of the leading noise rock and alternative metal labels of the late 80s and early 90s.
Labels like that are known as mid-major labels. More pull and money than an Indy label, but usually not by much. Some being better than others
Ah, You bring me back. I Lived in Minneapolis back then. Worked at the Uptown bar, And then the 400. I can't believe how long its been. Those were some great times to see live shows!
So, just let her sleep the whole night through in the bathtub? What a “friend”.
Paul slept in the U-haul that night as it was already packed up and the area she lived in was notorious for property theft. He woke up at 9:30 and found her in the tub, 5 inches of water, her arms and shoulders hanging over the side. Hartshorne believes she died before midnight the night before.
That shitty guitarplayer is a very sketchy person.
I go with murder this Courtney love has no love her love is the BIG H.
@@aisle_of_view that makes no effing sense at all.
@@aisle_of_view He did but he and Erik heard her snoring in a bath...door was locked so how would they know how full the bath was?? How high were they just to let her sleep in a bath?! Hope it plays on their minds.
Courtney Love killed her because of how close she was to Kurt. She killed Kurt because he was going to quit the band(Dave, Kurt and Krist all had discussed ending the band) and she would have no rights to any of the songs.
Her snoring in the bathroom could've been a "death rattle", so to speak. The body's response to her unable to breath.
Death rattling sounds quite similar. My Father Death rattled as he was dying. That sound haunts me.
Eric Erlandson Was the last to see Kurt and Kristen, 🤨🤫
A very sketchy privileged brat
Kristen was a tragic loss of life that was overlooked.
Sounds like Pfaff and Cobain had more in common than Courtney did.
Note that the story of Erlandson kicking down doors for Kristen, and somehow being there at the apartment before her body was taken away, isn't corroborated by anyone else. Courtney has been known to lie, you know.
Erlandson was not there at 7am. Paul was first to enter around 9:30, cops arrived around 10:45, Hartshorne around noon.
@@aisle_of_view Precisely, but how do you know the timeframe? I would hope that an ambulance got there between Erickson finding her and the arrival of the police over an hour later!
So has Erlandson.
Lying.
Junkies have been known to LIE LIE LIE to make sure they don't get arrested ...
@@klimtklavieryes I've noticed junkies of any kind and alcoholics are absolutely the best liars
It's amazing how much sway Courtney had over the Seattle PD, coroners office and the press.
More so the connections she once had, notice her obscurity these days…
Star struck, happens to smaller humble townsfolk. Kurt was world famous.
Yeah it's called blackmail
She has a lot of sway in the music industry period. She knows people. Always has.
@@VHS_Broadcastingshe still knows people. She had people beat the hell out of her daughters former rockstar husband. She’s knows people that can make you disappear. She’s not broke. Nirvana is easily worth more than a billion.
Thank you so much for doing a video about Kristen, not enough people know her story. Janitor Joe were great and Boys in Blue is a classic track as well, great bass line by Kristen.
I saw Janitor Joe with Hammerhead in 1994, in Germany while living "abroad". Both bands excellent. And I still have printed photos including some great ones of Kristen.
@@krewgarrHamburg, Germany? I'd love to know more about that one 🔥
@@krewgarrWow how awesome! So great that you got to see them and have pictures. Wonderful memories for sure😊
@@ediesviolet4247I second that
Before there was Janitor Joe, There was The Bastards. Joe's band with Anthony Martin. Minneapolis at that time was also all about the H.
Courtney's been a recluse for about 20 years now. Not by choice, people just got tired of being killed around her.
Its unreal the amount of death in her wake.
Right. Then explain the Clintons.
“How is it, that on this exact day…Courtney Love looks worse than her husband”?
She is indeed a black Hole of death
@@Saint_nobodya (real) pic of Hilary and Courtney together would be EPIC
Courtney seems like the common link. How many “mysterious deaths” can one person be surrounded by?
Ask the Clintons. They have more deaths connected to them than any other public figures I can think of. But Courtney love is a scumbag
Well there is the Clinton's. Just saying🤔🤔
At least two.
@@perceivedvelocity9914 3-4 you have El Duche and Detective Terry
@@perceivedvelocity9914plus she has gotten multiple young adults/minors hooked on oxys. One that I know of died only a few years back. She tried to get Jack Osbourne hooked on oxys too. She is a terrible person.
Apparently pages from her diary from around the time Kurt died had been ripped out..
Funny how mysterious death's surround Courtney - I HIGHLY suggest watching 'soaked in Bleach' - you could even get a statement from El Duce - oh wait, he is dead too! But seriously,Soaked in Bleach - a VERY compelling documentary made by the very Private Investigator Courtney hired to find out circumstances of Kurt's demise...
Not that strange with the amount of drugs around.
@@paulos9900 "There were drugs around, so why bother even investigating anything?" - Brilliant take.
@@paulos9900 *derp*
Yeah it's hard to not see something is off when all the pieces are shown to you.
It was a great doc
Yup. People on the wrong side of Courtney love have seriously reduced life expectancies
Erlandson is the creepiest looking guy in rock n roll
She was a amazing bass player and a real rocker now your playing with the 27 club and making beautiful music we will never forget you
wow i didn't know about this. courtney stole from kurt's journal too, and from her other ex-boyfriends journals.
Her and the music mafia ..guilty
❤ WOW, I SMELL A SOCIOPATH, OR IS THAT A PYCHOPATH, ...OR MAYBE WE NEED DR. PHIL, OR REAL CRIME STORIES.....JUST SOMEONE SHE CAN'T GET CLOSE TO.
Just read mark lanegans book.Apparently everyone that came into contact with her fell in love with her. I could see how Courtney would envy that.
Yeah, even if it was platonic, Courtney was extremely jealous and paranoid. That's well-documented. With that said, the way Lanegan writes about Kristen is very vulgar, and it seems very disrespectful.
Agreed, he seemed like he was just interested in her for sex. But, Kristen was interested in a lot of guys and girls, there's a photo of her making out with her GF at univ Minn in 1990.
So she was just interested in sex….with lots of ugly grunge scum… Did she marry this lesbian or was it just sex….that she was interested in, whilst disrespecting her multiple partners , whilst being a intravenous drug user during the hiv/aids crisis…
I can personally attest to that. She was very sweet to me. I met her in Uptown Minneapolis at Calhoun Square. Michelle Leon worked at a florist shop there and introduced us. She asked me what was the special occasion for the flowers? I told her, Its Friday. I bought my girlfriend flowers on Fridays. The had a five buck bouqet deal and Michelle always hooked me up. Kristin said Oh, Thats so sweet and touched my shoulder, And gave me that profound smile of hers. I think I walked around in a complete daze until Monday! I mourned her heavily. I still ocassionally get slightly depressed over what happened to her.
@@aisle_of_view You have so much information. Where have you seen this photo, if you don't mind me asking?
Years ago, Q107, the rock radio station in Toronto had an ad campaign where they had posters on each subway car, including the horizontal spaces above the seats, things like “Member of KISS without my makeup” you know, like that. My favourite was “Courtney’s Accomplice”.
I really wish her and Kurt would have moved to Minnesota or wherever they talked about going
Those mysterious plane tickets easily could have been to Minnesota. Michael Stipe said that they were not for Georgia. Even if the Kurt/Kristen relationship was platonic, that's beside the point. With that said, Kurt's death was what compelled Kristen to get clean, and if the two of them were still together and using... We'll never know.
If you get near Love, you are part of the “faces of death” franchise.😵
Did I just hear him say the person that did her and Kurt’s autopsies is good friends with Courtney?
Yep.
@@sickandtiredt except Ian Halperin and Max Wallace have Hartshorne admitting he was friends with her.
Nicholas Hartshorne was definitely acquaintances with Courtney. He handled the autopsy for both Kurt and Kristen.
Strange, isn't it? ☠️
Yes. She met Hartshorne when
when he was promoting her Ist husband 's punk band.Called him 'my punk rock coroner.'
I’ve always wanted to give Courtney Love the benefit of the doubt, but I truly believe she had something to do with the death of two incredible people. She would make a great career politician
I wonder if Courtney and Hilary are actually related.
Two? You’re being quite lenient there. Let’s not forget El Duce! Dude was found with his body on one side of a train track and his head on the other. Literally days after saying Courtney offered him $50 grand to “whack” Kurt Cobain while being filmed for the 1997 documentary Kurt & Courtney. Totally not suspicious at all
If Dick Cheney and Courtney Love go hunting together.......
I was just thinking of him. I always think about that remark he made on camera. I really wish he was still around.
@@jant7881 I saw a quick short on here somewhere with Fat Mike of NOFX, where he was talking about one of The Mentors albums. I’m it he states that they got to spend some time with Hoke and he tells the interviewer about how his body was found. The interviewer asks if it was an accident and Fat Mike reply’s, quite matter of factly, “No it was Courtney Love”
It has to be the world’s worst kept secret. Cross Courtney, loose ya noggin
After all the research I've done through the years, I think Courtney has links to Kristen, Kurt and Eldon's deaths.
I wouldn't trust you to find Carmen Sandiego...
@@mikeygraves16 Well, Carmen Sandiego isn't real so...
@cd3949 Wow I can tell you must be so fun at all the parties you don't get invited to 🙄
I hate Courtney bur it's usually 3 strikes your out. No?
@@MR.SANDMAN1030You were 13 when Cobain died. And you were 9 or 10 years old “living through” Nirvana. 😆
This should've been mentioned in more Kurt Cobain conspiracies. Courtney was the angel of death
❤ MAYBE A FALLEN ANGEL?
Still is
Wow what a heartbreaking topic. I knew some of it but that filled me in on the rest. I’ve been coming to this channel back when it only had around 20,000 subscribers. He used to speed read his video’s. He’s gotten 110% better since g th hose early vids. I’m a big fan of this channel almost from the start..
Thanks for sharing, I think she should not have joined the band Hole she would still been alive if she stayed with Janitor Joe, I drove 6 1/2 hours from Cincinnati to Buffalo, New York to Forest Lawn Cemetery to pay my respects to her. RIP Kristen You are not Forgotten,
Courtney recruited her out of Janitor Joe, After having played a hand in Destroying Joe's previous band, The Bastards. I heard she even wanted to start a band called " Bastard" I literally can recall the Janitor Joe show in the 7th street entry that Courtney attended. It was a killer show. A few months later, Kristen was off, And playing in Hole. The rest, As they say, Is history. Poisoned history.
Where Love goes... Death follows.
Kristen was everything that Courtney was not, she was smart, beautiful, talented,, and sweet. Courtney was jealous of her and very well may have had something to do with her death.
She would have made a good wife for Kurt. Would have made some cool music together. Very sad.
@@palehorse1111 Yeah, it's a sweet story to imagine- Kurt crashes with Duff McKagan (they were on the same plane going from L.A. to Seattle, and to hear Duff tell it, Duff and a friend were about to ask Kurt to hang out with them) and doesn't go back to his house that night. Later, he uses those mysterious plane tickets to take himself, Frances, and someone else (maybe one of their household help, maybe another friend; the point is that there was a third ticket) to Minneapolis. The divorce goes through, and he gets custody of Frances. He becomes the "rock Johnny Cash" he had talked about. Kristen plays with Janitor Joe among other projects (including with Kurt), where she was happy and healthy. Best of all, Frances grows up with a sweet stepmom.
Even if there was no intentional foul play (sending Erlandson to Kristen with heroin when Kristen didn't request it, spiking the dose), Erlandson still committed a crime with no statute of limitations. Bringing heroin to a person in recovery, even if she requested "one more for the road" (did she call from a payphone while outside having a smoke?), is absolutely reprehensible. He knew perfectly well that it would trigger the jones to end all joneses, and that she would be very vulnerable after being clean for two months.
He needs to man up and say what happened that night.
@@scottcharney1091 🥲 Damn bro nearly brought a tear, talk about needing a butterfly effect/time machine moment right there.
If Courtney is anyway shape or form associated with whomever then it's basically guilt that Courtney had something to do with the death.
It was said that Kurt and Kristen started out talking about art and would spend 3 or 4 hours on the phone. Courtney isolated Kristen and got her hooked on heroin to keep tabs on her. She was everything Courtney wasn't, and Kurt was making motions for a divorce. With the 'suicide' Courtney got absolutely everything of Kurt's and blew it all in a few years.
Nobody made Kristen use drugs, but it's true that Courtney was an enabler, among other things.
@@scottcharney1091 - "Made" might be the wrong word. "Enabled" might be better. Regardless, what happened to Kurt, the officer involved getting killed, then the connections to Kristen...
Courtney is the type of crazy jealous where 'if I can't have him, NO ONE will.' The 90's documentary 'Kurt and Courtney' is fascinating and very sad because heroin addiction is the common thread. @@scottcharney1091
I can't say it doesn't make sense. What a shame all across the board though.
"She was everything Courtney wasn't" . . . sums it up perfectly.
There is just to many coincidences when it comes to Courtney. She's like a damn Mafia boss.
I responded to your comment too damn early in this video XP XP XP
Agreed.
She’s not --. Just a junkie girl.
❤ OR NEXT RUNNER UP???
Yeah, they are rumored to control everything and they don't, too.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
The only fire was from a lighter, under a spoon. Not enough details to ascertain any foul play.
@@cactaceous Keep in mind: even if Kristen requested it, even if there was no spiking of the dose, and even if it wasn't supplied by Courtney, it's reprehensible of Erlandson to deliver it. He knew exactly what could easily happen when a clean person injects again. It gets worse if she didn't request it, and if any of the other factors apply. There's no statute of limitations on the crime of delivering a fatal dose, but too bad, Eric! He should man up and say what he did.
@@scottcharney1091 He did say. It’s in this video.
@@cactaceous His statements about stupid mistakes are very ambiguous, by design.
@@cactaceousok, trust me bro...trust cops😂😂😂😂
I’m sure years from now we will all find out that Courtney was behind both deaths. Kurt’s and Kristen’s.
I'm not sure what makes you so confident. I believe it to be true and I hope that you're correct. I just don't know how that would come out now, though.
absolutely
She’s not smart enough to pull off two murders as a drug addict loud mouth. That would be absolutely amazing. I think sue just drained the life out of people around her like death itself lol.
“ I love so much, I hate” lyric from one of Courtney loves songs. Kinda telling.
Spot on. Something about her screams sociopath and the drug use fueled her insanity even more. Jealous spiteful hateful human.
Justice for Kristen and Kurt! ❤❤
Justice for Kurt and Kristen.
Erlandson is involved yet not questioned….
He comes from an EXTREMELY privileged background.
I always thought when Kurt bailed on rehab and bought 2 plane tickets the one was for Kristen. I think he was getting ready to leave Courtney & had feelings for Kristen and we all know how that story ended with them both dying & courtney being the common denominator. The older I get the more I realize in life there are rarely if any genuine coincidences.
The proverbial nail on the head!!
I agree. 🥹💓
Thanks for info! I’ll definitely watch this!✌️
So true! They said Kurt had another girlfriend that he was living with!
@@RadoGamersyeah but how can any of it be proven
We need someone to investigate this death.
Thanks for bringing this back to the surface. I like Janitor Joe and Hole, and a lot of that is because of Kristen. It's weird, because a couple of days ago, a buddy and I were talking about her and her strange death (we had heard "Doll Parts" at one of our local spots). So it's rather fitting that I found this video this morning.
The true story behind this is waaaaaay more horrifying…
Many thanks for posting. I had long been a Kristen Pfaff fan, far more interesting (at least to me) than Courtney ever could be. I agree, something just didn't smell right with this, then or now. The other "mysterious" death to look into is Jimi Hendrix, perhaps the most creative musical genius of that genre to have ever lived. His passing was also VERY questionable, there's more than a few missing pieces to that story, and a sketchy manager at that time.
Blood Ritual bruh 🩸🤘🏻☠🤘🏻
They held him down and poured a bottle of wine down his throat. Which is why the coroner found the wine in his lungs.
Absolutely a homicide by his manager...
Dammit, another rabbit hole for me to go down!
Neat ! Timing is synchronous because I just saw a video with Stevie Ray Vaughn. He was being interviewed and he brought up the sus Hendrix death / alluded to that conspiracy
The more unsavory stories I hear about Courtney the more the picture of her becomes clear. The skeaziest most vile human ever. Cannot be trusted. Her idea of love & friendship is one that is filled with toxicity, abuse and even violence that seems to result in people around her dying or separating from her. She deserves to be alone.
Kurt was about to leave her. Very suspicious that he supposedly killed himself with a large hunting rifle. Almost physically impossible.
He was off-ed. So was Kirsten. Tragic.
@@sugargold4126But one of Kurt’s last songs Do are Mi speaks on suicide. Why would Courtney kill him? Even after he died she was giving away his stuff to fans for FREE
@@Crylovell
It's easier for people to blame her than to admit that their hero was weak willed...
Courtney and Eric killed Kurt and Kristen, there’s a place in hell for both of them
Eric is atleast her junkie confidante accomplice. All of Courtney junky friend were assisting her in her misdeeds including the ones her and Kurt were letting live in their house when he was murdered. Somebody on heroin will do anything you want practically to feed their addiction and they'll soon be dead anyway so they make the perfect hitman.
I've always found Courtney to be a sympathetic figure because of all the insane conspiracy theories vilifying her
@@bigglilwayne7050ok, lame agent....weaksauce shill😂
K P went back to Seatle sober, E E supplied one more good heavy dose and left paraphernalia. It was MURDER ! C L s orchestration obviously..
Even if Kristen requested it, even if there was no spiking of the dose, and even if it wasn't supplied by Courtney, it's reprehensible of Erlandson to deliver it. He knew exactly what could easily happen when a clean person injects again. It gets worse if she didn't request it, and if any of the other factors apply. There's no statute of limitations on the crime of delivering a fatal dose, but too bad, Eric! He should man up and say what he did.
@@scottcharney1091 - How many times are you going to copy/paste the same response?
It has certainly always looked that way.
Maybe that was the shitty guitarplayer’s actual talent?
That wasn't a snore he heard when she was in the bath tub. It was a death rattle, which sounds like a deep snore. If you hear this from anyone wake them, lor try to wake them just in case.
Absolutely correct. My father death rattled. That sound can be easily mistaken.
❤ SO, YOU HEAR SOME ONE SNORING...AND YOU ARE AT THEIR DOOR FOR WHAT REASON?
Kristen we see you 🖤
My family is 7 generations deep in the PNW & Alaska. Seattle has had a dark history going way back, and today it's just out of control.
That is true, and it is a shame.
Somebody from Alaska once told me that for Alaskans, Seattle is the city of unliving. Because all the specialized medical clinics that people in Alaska end up having to go to for last ditch operations are in Seattle.
A lot of Canadians, too when the wait list is too long @4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz
Thank you for doing this video ❤it’s something that needs to be talked about more. There was SOOO much shadiness going on (usually anywhere Courtney has been involved)
Courtney Love is evil. Her own parents believe that she was definitely responsible for Kurt's death. This has been documented. Modern day Succubus.
OH PLEASE GIVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES !!! LMFAO !!!
As much as I dislike Courtney, there's no evidence she had a hand in Kristen's demise. Kristen returned to Seattle from Europe on June 13th. She was sober but did not have a sponsor. While packing, she found her drug kit and it sent her into relapse. Her alleged dealer lived in the same neighborhood, a seven minute walk according to Google Maps. This dealer was known for mixing Coke with H, which is the drug combination that turned up in her toxicology report. Kristen no longer had the tolerance level she possessed when she was a steady user, so the amount she ingested was fatal. A common mistake with former addicts. Absolute tragedy regardless.
Dude how could Erlandson never be investigated???? Wtf dude. Dude I hope Love and Erlandson get found guilty from this it’s pathetic
You should do audio books, your voice is soothing and easy to listen to.............
I am ran in the same circle of friends as Hole and Nirvana in the first half of the 90s in LA and then in Seattle. I don’t know if anyone did anything other than facilitate poor behavior and drugs, but word on the street was going down the fowl play rabbit hole. I don’t know… there were some pretty disgusting people in both Seattle and LA. People that pretended to be all about friends, right vs wrong, music, etc., but we’re more into drugs and social ladder climbing. My marriage ended because of it and I never saw that coming, although in retrospect I should have.
could you elaborate on the word on the street and the bad people in the scene?
These places are even more disgusting now. Sick, evil people pretending to be good but spreading filth, chaos, crime, violence, racism and hate. Typical far left loons.
Appreciated. I may have met you back then. I ran all up and down the coast and was in the same scene. I partied with El duce several times. And I heard that same "word on the street"/ but when I heard about El duce..thats what tipped it for me..he made some really ominous statements last I saw him .. a few weeks later. He was found on the tracks
Thanks for that absolute useless information. 👍
@@HANNIBALBARCA247 👌🫡you're absolutely welcome.
Court probably took her out too!! Having heard the accounting of Kurt's demise, seems pretty plausible.
How TRAGICALLY IRONIC is it that both Kristen & Kurt Kobain both got clean and a few days after, they were BOTH found dead.
Kurt being clean?
Yeeah idk about all that
Idk - the common denominator is Courtney being pissed off at each of them. Courtney doesn't like not getting her way. Just sayin'.
I was so saddened by her death back when it happened 😢
I’m curious if Kurt’s daughter has any thoughts about everything that has happened in her life. Especially her mother!!!
I believe she was emancipated (I’m not sure at what age though) and I think she moved in with family and cut her mother out of her life. Apparently she is a very nice girl, she might be involved/interested in the entertainment industry not sure, but apparently she’s nothing like her mother and doesn’t drink or touch drugs. Good for her.
She gave away her dad’s guitar to some f*ckboy
Frances has acknowledged that she has a “crazy” mother
I'm sure she has plenty. Probably never gonna hear them blasted online while the individuals are still around
she don't like her dads music coz she probably believes/believed that he killed himself which is an ultimate act of abaondonment/rejection of offspring.. but if she knew her mom killed him maybe she'd start digging his music more
They say only the good die young, Courtney Love will live forever.
Pointing the finger at another will leave you with 3 pointing back at you.
@@daBEAGLE1017 No we know that Cortney had 3 people killed and we are not going to let you bully us out of knowing that. I 100 percent know that Courtney had 3 people killed and she tried to have a 4th person killed in California, that is now 3 people that she had killed, and she attempted to kill a 4th person. You should become friends with her, if you piss her off, she will have you killed too.
Courtney will live through this whether you like it or not
@@kruggyy Lol I would love for her to live through it in jail here she belongs, that would be a dream come true. You want her to live through killing people and attempting to kill a 4th person, good for you.
@@jeannewantsjustice damn chill dawg. I was making a joke 🫤
This guy is good on his research. Justice for Kurt and Kristen.
She had a beautiful smile!
This whole situation is freaky & sad
Such a sad story. I would love to know what actually happened. So many questions.
Awesome video. Very interesting. Really enjoy your shows
Glad you like them!
A lot of talk says Courtney Love was responsible for Cobains death...
You should do a video on all the death in Loves wake. It's gnarly.
Drug addicts with mental and or physical health issues dying in various ways around another drug addict with mental issues isn't surprising at all.
Only the Clintons have her beat in that arena
Thanks for sharing this. I loved their songs. ❤
So many in Courtney's orbit with mysterious deaths. Kurt, Pfaff & El Duce.
was thinking the same thing.....
Very mysterious…junkie commits suicide, junkie gets clean relapses dies, drunk gets hits by a train.
@@neplusultra4196 Yep. All 3 of those things are so uncommon that it MUST be a conspiracy! 🤣
Detective Terry as well.
@@wantutosigh1117 lol
Eric obviously killed her and got away with it
Don't think so. Janet said Eric called her when Kristen developed a skin infection from injecting. He wouldn't put the spotlight back on himself if the goal was to poison her in mid June. After all, Paul saw Eric the night before they were going to drive home. Too easy to pin him for a crime, but he didn't do it.
Obviously not because he didn’t ask for the drugs, she did.. she took them, so it’s obviously 100% her own doing…That like blame Ms Love.. How old are you? 50? Still talking ridiculous grunge cringe like a spotty teenager …
It’s always seemed to look that way.
Not even close. This is the 1st time I’ve ever heard of this or these people but…..She got sober from heroin for x amount of time which brought her tolerance down, she apparently comes across some in the house she was packing up in Seattle, (maybe someone leave it there for her?) gets hotel/goes into bathroom to take bath, (hot bath and heroin are closely associated) she doesn’t take her lack of tolerance into consideration and unfortunately she overdosed. Happens all the time, esp to folks getting outta jail. Unfortunate as she seems pretty dope.
It's not a mystery if you can put 2 and 2 together.
Nirvana and Live Through This was my teenage soap opera. Literally the voice of my generation - GEN X
Few classmates died from drug overdoses. Raves were all the rage at that time - drugs, drugs, drugs
cornell was the voice of GEN X
@@joesmith9216Nirvana.
Chris Cornell. Man..what a voice
As an ex H addict - now clean & sober many years - this doesn't surprise me in the least. Relapse is extremely likely, after any period of sobriety. It is FAR more likely than continued, unbroken sobriety.
It is common to relapse many times before staying clean...and even then, you are always susceptible. Even after being clean over 20 years, one hit would likely take you right back where you left off.
What's more, is that the most common form of fatal overdose is a hit following a period of abstinence. This is because the users' tolerance will have decreased significantly- and H is a drug where the slightest miscalculation in dosage is the difference between a weak hit...or overdose → death.
Seeming "happy" in the sobriety period is also common...and confusing to family members watching on when they relapse, nevertheless. It's confusing to the addict, aswell!
Basically it comes down to there being a hole (forgive me, I'm aware of the blatant pun ) that nothing but the drugs fills.
No matter how happy you become in sobriety, the urge to use will always be there, gnawing away at you. Like a phantom limb...but worse...it's in your very soul. It feels like being incapable of feeling "happy", even when your life is objectively wonderful!
Furthermore, it is typical to type to have a clean period while moving back in with parents....and then when the recovering addict goes out for the first time...the opportunity to satiate that gnawing urge to use often rears its' head.
As much as I loathe Ms Love...I see there being no direct connection to Pfaf's death. Plenty of INDIRECT contributing factors, perhaps...but nothing direct.
Long winded agent sez...
Gotta love how we all came to the conclusion that Love probably is a murderer.
Because it's obvious?
❤ JUST THE ONE DOING THE HIRES?????
Under contract with a record label = she was INSURED. Just in case she perished in a rare and unfortunate accident, the label would be able to recover some of their investment. Which of coarse begs the question.... what would her exact value be as an ex-member of the group.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO MAN. It put some light and perspective on facts that have been obviously overlooked at the time.
For me she and the policeman were both killed because they could compromise Courtney.
❤ LOOSE ENDS????
The policeman was killed by a drug dealer he had previously arrested. They got someone for the murder. Or was he paid by Courtney??
@@frankelder1158 as I understood the policeman was on Courtney's payroll
@@MarceloDurham Where did you get that from?
@@frankelder1158 from another video but don't quote me on that I was just under the impression that he was corrupt and had some involvement with courtney but I really don't remember and I'm no a detective LOL.. :P
*"people are dead because of my stupid mistakes"*
Eric Erlandson
Drenched in Bleach or Soaked in Bleach covers this topic, and even the former Seattle PD Chief wants the Cobain case reopened, and yet, nope, not gonna happen. F America. Cobain and Pfaff were getting close around the time he was ready to dump Courtney Love
Addiction is a really strong pull. Seemingly happy, clean addicts go back to their old ways. That initial feeling is what people chase, to bad endings.
She was clean and was literally back in her place just to get her stuff and move though.
Under the circumstances, her death was highly suspicious.
@@FlameFlickersStudies show that the vast majority of addicts tend to relapse on their first attempt to get clean. It's not everything fault of the government, CIA, Russians, or Courtney Love.
@@FlameFlickersher death was not suspicious at all. she probably felt triggered by something or just wanted one last high and leave... unfortunately, she died like many addicts do when they relapse. shit happens. can't y'all weirdos just let them rest in peace?
@@FlameFlickersAgreed. Some pages of her diary were ripped out, her mother thinks it's not accidental either. Her brother said she and Kurt sometimes talked for hours on the phone. Way more happened than we know.
@@sickandtiredt Keep in mind: even if Kristen requested it, even if there was no spiking of the dose, and even if it wasn't supplied by Courtney, it's reprehensible of Erlandson to deliver it. He knew exactly what could easily happen when a clean person injects again. It gets worse if she didn't request it, and if any of the other factors apply. There's no statute of limitations on the crime of delivering a fatal dose, but too bad, Eric! He should man up and say what he did.
🤔Hmmm, '94! Roughly the same time as Kurt Cobain. (It's time to put our thinking hats on, and here's my theory)
It's highly probable, that Kurt and Hole's bassist - may have had an affair. Courtney finding out is thrown in a fit of jealous rage, kills and covers up both, or has both killed and removed. These are high circumstances in and around the same time as one another - so you can't rule this one out. I think it's time for further investigation over the two deaths, as they aren't far apart from one another. Both have an involvement with Courtney, it's a high possibility!
Edit: "And there it is, you said it yourself." (An affair!)
❤ WHAT ABOUT ERIC...ONE OF HOLE'S MUSICIANS , ONE OF COURTNEY'S...EX-BOYFRIENDS TOO??? NOTICE HIS REPLY TO KURT AND KRISTEN BOTH MYSTERIOUS DEATHS CLOSE TO HER...& DID ANYONE PUT A MIKE IN COURTNEY'S FACE ABOUT EL....WHAT'S HIS NAME? YOU KNOW THE 1ST GUY SHE TRIED TO HIRE TO OFF KURT? OR IS IT JUST TOO HARD TO GET NEAR COURTNEY THESE DAYS ,OR TOO SCARY?????
Both her and Kurt's cases should be reopened, both deaths are suspicious AF. But that's probably never gonna happen because the second drugs are involved in anyway authorities wash their hands of these cases asap. Tragic. Also I didn't realize she died on my 13th birthday.
The Seattle PD did just that back in 2014, and even released a bunch of photos from the crime scene. It is thought they anticipated some kind of media interest in the Cobain death since it had been 20 years, and the police department wanted to be able to answer the questions again, and probably to prove they had not slept through the entire controversy for the last two decades.
Nobody leaves Courtney! 😂
Courtney had Kurt killed and Kristen as well. Kurt was leaving Courtney and was going to date Kristen. Courtney caught wind of it and here we are.
There seems to be so much information left out there that wants to connect the dots that lead back to Courtney Love in one way or another as either the instigator or the hand on the needle/trigger in the deaths of Kristen Pfaff and Kurt Cobain. Perhaps someday these dots that lead to Love will find their way to connect to the Seattle Police Dept.
Kirsten was hardly a friend of Courtney's, they banged heads together about the band's musical direction. Courtney made sure Kirstin know Hole was her band and that she was jealous of the affair with Kurt .I believe he was her friend and there was a lot of shit going around LA and Seattle at the time of grunge in the 90's.Heroin and cocaine were around all the time from bad people or just users. She was an energetic and creative girl. I think it was tragic decision to use it and she wanted to kick drugs. But it was her decision to use and she knew she shouldn't have done it but it was too late. I hope people take out of this is to stop using heroin to get high,don't buy it from street they cut it with fentanyl and you can die easily.
Im not accusing anyone but the day i found out that The person committing the autopsy for both Kurt and Kristen had close ties with Courtney yeahhhh something is very fishy RIP Kurt and Kristen forever 27 one day justice will come for you
Hartshorne died in a parachuting accident in 2002.
Very good video! Never heard this story.
The bodies pilling up around Courtney love is no coincidence..
It's amazing how Courtney has stayed out of prison all this time.
She must have SO maybe people paid off.
❤ OR WOULD THAT BE SCARED OFF???
The Minneapolis indie label referenced is Amphetamine Reptile heretofore known as AmRep and deserves more than an anonymous acknowledgment. Janitor Joe was a great band.
Better than Hole for sure.
Ripped out pages and of all
People to be friends with.. this exact coroner and Love?!
Like.. how did they become such good friends.. and then he is THE CORONER for both?
Courtney met the coroner when he was promoting her first husband's punk band He did Kristen , without the toxicology test, bcuz she was in Seattle when she died but not living there. I'd bet CL and her connections made sure she died in Seattle so Hartshorne could call it an overdose instantly, just like he did Kurt's COD.
OH, & HE'S DEAD NOW TOO? WOW.