2023 GX460: 6 likes & 6 dislikes! An in depth owner's review!
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2024
- You all asked for it, so here it is! My full, in-depth owner's review of our 2023 Lexus GX460! What do we love? What do we hate? Check out the chapter listing below!
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
01:12 6 LIKES
01:22 1. Old school limo-like Lexus luxury
04:09 2. Hard buttons for climate
05:23 3. The trackpad! Yes, really!
07:02 4. Painted down to the ground
09:12 5. The CD player & Mark Levinson
10:57 6. The barn door. Again, yes really!
13:15 6 DISLIKES
13:27 1. The fuel economy is a joke
15:02 2. The luxury grade is all or nothing
17:50 3. Safety Sense Plus is a joke
21:11 4. A bit of a blunder bus
24:00 5. The incandescent lighting
26:49 6. The new, 2024 V6 GX
28:57 FINAL THOUGHTS & EMAIL ME! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Just got my 23 GX Luxury Trim last month and I couldn’t be more happy!! Coming from Mercedes and BMW I purchased the GX specifically for reliability… (tired of having to replace everything after 60k miles on a 100k car) yet I’m shocked at how luxurious it rides and feels. I’m willing to forgo a few modern amenities and great gas mileage for this old school V8 tank. I plan to keep this as long as I live maybe pass it down to future grandkids!
@romeo7843 You have to understand how trucks drive. The GX is a body on frame truck and has a hydraulic power assisted steering. The vibration through the wheel doesn’t happen all the time, it’s usually on cold start on brand new vehicles that haven’t been broken in yet. As for the seat padding, I think any 10 year old car is going to feel more plush than a new one, unfortunately, but I personally have no complaints there.
@@romeo7843I feel exactly same things on my 2019 GX. It’s not that smooth driving as I understand it’s body on frame and it’s more like a truck. It sounds loud when first start the engine.
Yes the roar at startup is the sign that the beast has awoken…unibody SUVs drive smoother but this thing for a BOF SUV is incredible.
Similar feelings here ; don't forget about the CD player. My completely forgotten CD got new life...
100% coincidence. I got 23 gx 2 months ago, last v8 breed. I just sold my M4. This one will last forever and i am planning to keep it for my grandkids too.
Thank you for saying positive things about having / wanting a CD player. Every other reviewer usually makes a snide, ageist remark about the drivers that appreciate the option of having one. If I could subscribe a second time, I would.
Thank YOU for watching! And I know, I don’t think those folks understand what they’re missing out on. ;)
Also love your appreciation for the Mark Lev system. I giggle at silly comments that attempt to downgrade it as not worth it or barely better than stock. I’m guessing those folk really just don’t know. It’s awesome.
I don’t think those people have listened to high quality audio through it because it doesn’t do a great job with Bluetooth streaming and radio, for example. But give it a good CD or high bit rate audio file off of a flash drive and it’s amazing.
I have an audi a5 with CD player B&O...❤!
Just picked up one of these in Caviar and premium plus. Your reviews were spot on and really helped me make this decision with no surprises. Glad you’re doing them. The GX stands out as organic in a sea of turbos, and complicated tech to make it all work; it’s exactly what I wanted compared to what I had that was only 2 years old, and my first Lexus product. Had a great experience at the dealer buying it as well. December to remember is real. Cheers friend.
Congratulations!!! You won’t regret it, and I’m so glad you got the last great Lexus! I’ve always loved the Lexus brand but lately their new products just haven’t been stellar.
Ahhhh thank you for this! I was one of those who asked you to please do this review sooner than later and I can’t thank you enough for doing it! And that’s it, I am buying one. This is all I needed to know. I can live with the dislikes you have which are probably exactly what I will dislike too. And I love the CD player also.
You are so welcome! I’m so glad you found it useful and that you’ve decided to pull the trigger and buy one LOL! It’s an incredible SUV and one that is not to be missed!
Josh, your reviews are super informative. I appreciate your insights and opinions on all the vehicles you review because I find myself often agreeing with you. I don’t know what your specific career training is but I think you are quite a talented “CZcamsr”.
Thank you, this is so very kind of you to say! By trade I’m a senior leader in software engineering currently working for a multinational financial institution. So that gives me the money for my cars and CZcams is my little side hobby to get to do creative things I don’t get to do at work. 😂
very articulate and calm style of speaking Josh, made me a subscriber.
Thank you so much and welcome aboard!
Merry Christmas 🎄 ❤Excellent Video…
Thank you! And to you as well!!
Great video! Thank you forthis.
Thank you! And thanks for watching!
`I'm in the market for a GX460, likely something 3-4 yrs old, and this was a great review and you brought up many "likes" and "dislikes" that i never sam/heard anywhere else. Great vid ! I'm glad i didn't throw away my old CDs !
Hello! Thank you and I’m so glad this was helpful to you! One tip, just something to think about, these are being heavily discounted in a lot of places across the country right now at $6-10K off MSRP so depending on how much a 3-4 year old one is going for, you might want to explore new too. Also, I’d highly recommend getting the 2020 or later as it’ll have the new headlights and safety tech. Pre 2020, neither the GX nor the 4Runner had ANY driver assist at all. Cheers!
@@joshjamescars yes, i'm noticing that the used ones are sitting on lots alot longer and am also weighing new or at least a certified used ones as well. I'm not in a hurry, but my 20 yr old kid is because he will inherit my 20 yr/200k mi Lexus LS400 that still runs great
Hi Josh. Another great straight to the point video. I agree with several issues you point out. In regard to the Mark Levinson sound system a Lexus salesperson mentioned that it is a musician's sound system and it enables you to hear every instrument being played. And no I don't mind the cd player. What is the big deal, different strokes for different folks. The barn door I don't mind at all. Having a large dog I thought I could put her in the back and open that back window. Well that didn't go well. We used to have a Mitsubishi Montero SR that had one we really loved that vehicle, but as time went on with the costly repairs we donated it. There are several vehicles with the barn door, Jeep Wrangler, the Range Rover Defender and the G Wagon, they don't get called a dinosaur like the GX. I live in the northeast area and if we get a snowstorm the GX will get me through it. I still feel that the GX 460 was slighted in some of the luxury features that should have been an option without purchasing the luxury model. Also, I find for me there is a blind spot on the driver's side. The safety system for lane change assist doesn't kick in until what 30-35 mph so if someone is close to the driver's side rear they are not very visible for me. So I may have to use the small mirrors for a better view. Again, thanks for the honest review.
Hello! Thank you so much and for always coming back to watch and comment! Yeah, driving with the rear hatch open isn’t recommended unless you absolutely have to be carrying something around but that puts a lot of stress on the hinges and the struts (plus your third high mounted brake light isn’t visible if the hatch is open which could get you a ticket). And yes, you’re right! The lane departure and adaptive cruise only work above 32. Old technology. ;) Cheers and thanks again!
Outstanding review! I stumbled upon your channel while looking for a review on the GX460. As a technical writer, I appreciate your details being presented in a clear and concise format. Can't wait to watch more of your reviews. And as someone in technology but rooted in traditional things (for specific processes), I totally agree with you WRT to physical buttons. :)
Hello! Thank you so much and thanks for watching! I also work in technology and much prefer hard buttons and the old school, analog things that are in the outgoing GX… I think people who work in tech building it know how fragile it can be and how easily things can go wrong. Or that’s the case for me, anyhow! Give me physical buttons and analog dials in the instrument cluster any day.
I agree, a no non-sense review like the other music-hyped pointless reviews.
I was looking at this SUV for a long time. Now it's time to pull a trigger and get it before they are gone. I'm amazed how detailed your review is and how knowledgeable you are what customers love and expect from Lexus. You've addressed all the important details to the point. Thanks again. I plan to get exact same color combination with captain chairs and Mark Levinson sound system. I was thinking about luxury version but thanks to you I realized I wouldn't be happy with it. I don't remember a review like this about GX. there's nothing like real owner perspective. Lexus should listen to this and keep making cars to win our hearts like they did in the past.
Thank you so much for the super kind words! Now is most definitely the time, and many dealers are doing some fantastic discounts to get rid of them so you should be able to get a deal too. The only thing I’d advise you think about is, if you don’t think you’ll have the third row seat up most of the time (and you have zero cargo space when you do), I’d go for the bench seat as the captains chairs with the third row folded gives you a big gaping hole through to the cargo area that stuff can pass through and isn’t very pretty to look at (in my opinion). And yes, I wish Lexus would go back to what they used to be, but the changes have only just begun as Lexus has stated they’ll be a pure EV maker by 2030.
I've just put a deposit today on my new car, it should be at the dealership next week. thank you very much :)
@peterzurek5192 Heyyyy congrats! You got back before I could reply to you! I was meaning to say that I would go new in your case since it’s the very last V8 GX and obviously you keep your cars for a long time and so I think that absolutely makes it worth buying new. The GX is a car that I think is worth buying new and spending a little more money on. Hope you love it and I’m sure your (very lucky) son is so excited for his “new” car.
Good video! I'm sticking with my 04 GX, it's still running strong and everything works.
Wouldn’t expect anything less!! :)
Really good video! Love your perspective.
Thank you so much! And thanks for watching!
You have literally given the most logical and well-thought out reason for the trackpad I’ve ever heard and it kind of blew my mind. Since it’s crafted in Japan I think the thought of the average height of the driver was considered and I don’t hate it as much. I used to hate it in my RCF but now looking back it’s not made for me and makes the features more accessible for most. Great job of thinking on your own and having a unique perspective on this I didn’t consider 💪🏼
Haha! Thank you! Although funnily enough the GX isn’t sold in any Asian markets (it used to be sold in China but was discontinued there a while ago) and so I think I just got lucky that it works well for me.
I just finished the whole vid and I agree…I hate the GX460 slander from the influencers that are reviewing the GX550. The new one doesn’t have that premium luxury “Here comes daddy” vibes. Very glad to have found your channel, I’m cross shopping 3 row luxury SUVs and in a Toyota guy by heart so I’m leaning GX460. Have a great day!
@roytheboy259 SAME HERE. I have a whole video coming out on Thursday about my take on the GX550. As for your search, as you can probably tell I love the GX460 but you should really consider it as a two row, 5-seater with an extra two emergency seats to use in a pinch. But they’re not nearly as comfortable or easy to use on a regular basis as the ones in a Grand Highlander or Lexus TX. And you’ll have zero cargo space behind them too which is kind of annoying.
Another great review Josh! After a 25 day wait at the port due to lack of port installed items such as tow hitch, I will finally take delivery of a GX premium plus tomorrow 😊
Your reviews have solidified my decision to upgrade from a 4Runner and buy my own GX. ☺️
Congratulations!! I’m so excited for you and so glad I got to play a part in your new GX! You’ll love it.
@@joshjamescars The GX is a huge upgrade from my 2019 4Runner. It is FAR more refined in a very big way. It is much quieter, much smoother, the interior materials are far more pleasing, the headlights are twice as bright. I’ve read many who have written that the GX is just a fancy 4Runner. That is completely false. It is far superior in every category other than three things:
1) Can’t roll down rear window
3) Rear cargo floor raised due to third row seat which reduces cargo volume capacity.
3) Requires premium fuel.
In all other metrics the GX is a totally superior experience.
Yes! Could not agree more to all of this! I do think early years of this GX (specifically pre-2020) weren’t as refined or as technologically “advanced” as the recent years with the new headlights and new tech, but the last V8 models like ours are terrific and I’m so glad you got one while you could! Cheers!
Good comparison! Always enjoy your content. Would you do a family roadtrip on your GX?
Absolutely, the GX is an amazing road trip vehicle. I’d love to take it from here in the south up north into Canada one of these days! And thank you so much!
@@joshjamescars looking forward to that video :)
With this amazing review you have gained a new subscriber
Thank you and welcome aboard!
At least someone gets the trach pad! 👏👏👏
I like to get the last generation of GX 460 due to extreme reliability and refinement, my hold back was the fuel efficiency. This is hard to bite especially when I do the math of fuel cost compared to the newer TX and RX hybrids.
I totally understand that but it’s worth keeping in mind that the most fuel efficient versions of the TX and RX are going to have a much less pleasant drive (and be slower) because of the smaller, more efficient engines so it’s definitely a trade off.
Another great video!!! ;). I couldn't agree more on the reverse lighting. I back up, out of my driveway in the dark and cross my fingers no one is walking behind me. (I can't see them anyway). lolol! (sort of joking)
I believe the weight of the V8 contributes to the "vault like feel". So with a lighter twin turbo V6, will that play a part in ruining that feel??? We' shall see.
Hello! And thank you as always for watching and commenting! I’ve never thought about the weight of the V8 being part of the reason for that, but it would totally make sense! Thinking maybe that’s also partly why the new 4-cylinders in the RX also feel so lightweight as opposed to the good old V6 which also had that vault-like feeling to it. And HA! Same at the reversing comment!!!
Hello Josh, enjoy your videos! I also have a 23 Premium GX and noticed the car doesn't track straight on the road. The steering wheel is always at an angle when going straight. I thought it to be an alignment issue so I took it to the dealer. The dealer stated alignment is fine. This was also an issue when I had a 2015 GX. Dealer at that time said the same thing.
Another issue I noted is the steering wheel vibrates at 60 to 65 mph. Below or above those speeds, no issues. I wonder if the wheels need balancing? Have you run into similar issues?
thx
Kris
Hi Kris! Someone else mentioned the steering wheel angle and frankly I have never ever noticed that and it doesn’t bother me at all, as long as I can control the direction of the car, im good LOL. As for the wheel shake, the car will do that in certain conditions because it’s an old school body on frame truck with hydraulic rack and pinion steering so the wheel is going to directly communicate everything the wheels are doing. I find mine will do it a bit first thing in the morning if the tires are cold and I’m going over rough pavement but not beyond that. If it consistently does it every single time you’re in the 60-65 range, though, I’d definitely have the dealer look at it. Mine doesn’t do that. That’s like exactly highway speeds and it would drive me insane! Hope this helps!
Great review. Really hit home. I bought my wife the 23 GX in nightfall mica. She is less that happy with the black rims. I so love the wheels on yours. You were lucky indeed. Wondering how the silver lexus F sport wheels would go with the Nightfall mica. You seem to have an appreciation of the color combination. Any rim recommendations on better solver rims that might be availablr from the dealer?
Hello! Thank you! It’s funny actually, when I bought mine I thought it was a factory error that we had these wheels because the builder online defaults all premium and premium plus models with the black wheels (which I’m with your wife on, I do not like them one bit and was THRILLED that this one that we’d ordered didn’t have it). I mentioned it in the first video I did on the car, linked below lol. But after some investigation it turns out the black wheels are a no-cost option on the premium & premium plus but the silver is still the default, so it wasn’t a mistake, the dealer just didn’t spec the black wheels with mine.
As for the F-Sport wheels, they’re not silver but rather a mid-dark gray so they may still be darker than you might like. What I would do is just order four of the stock silver wheels like what I have if you love them. Assuming you have the black 18” wheels, the tires will fit right onto them so you won’t have to buy new tires as well (you would on any other wheel). I personally don’t care for the look of aftermarket wheels especially on luxury vehicles and would stick to OEM Lexus.
And finally, here’s the video where I first bought the car and made a stink about the wheels LOL: czcams.com/video/o7ZBzU6nUNs/video.htmlsi=duHUN5WgGUZx8gbK
a thoughtful review 👍
Thank you! And thanks for always coming back to watch!
The one ”like” you mention that I overlooked is the full top to bottom painted surfaces. I’m not a fan of the plastic cladding on so many cars. And for some reason, I love the big side opening rear tailgate. It feels so solid when you open it.
Yes, same here. And at the moment none of our cars have any of that plastic cladding (since we flipped the Prius) and I love them all for that!
It's interesting your comments on being painted to the ground. I agree. I have a 2019 Tundra 1794. I could have had a 2020 but took the last year of the CD player. But, it's also painted all the way down. The Tundra redesign in 2022 introduced the plastic fender surrounds and they look horrible. I do wish I had active lane keeping assist.
That’s interesting! I didn’t realize they’d cut the CD player in 2020. How odd. But yes, I agree at the new tundras and its unpainted body cladding looking horrible! Especially on the TRD Pro. For the price of that truck it’s unacceptable.
Great review Josh! I agree with everything you said. One thing additionally I don’t like, is the same thing I didn’t like in the 4Runner, no great place for a phone holder. I have one attached to the vent, but it blocks part of the nav screen and the clock. Which now that I think about it, I don’t like that there is only one clock in the GX. It should be on the nav screen as well. Anyway, my 2 cents. Good to see you putting out this video, thanks.
Hello again! Hope you’re enjoying your wonderful new GX! ;) And yes! I completely agree although I think in the GX it’s actually worse because at least in my 4Runner I had that little side cubby that extended forward from the cup holder. Not sure if all of them had that but that’s where I dumped my phone. In the GX I have to use the cup holder. 😂 Cheers!!!
@@joshjamescars Absolutely loving it! I hope you are enjoying yours as well. The vent option is as good as it gets for me, it works 😀. Enjoy!
I just bought my new Lexus gx 2023 last week (3/27/2024)with premium /sport package after I watched your review, it help me a lot decide to buy the last gx 460, . I got white body color with ecru interior with only 61 miles
Congratulations!! I’m so happy you were able to get one and that I was able to help you in your search for your new car!
Except the track pad, just like the Prado :) Nice nice!!! And massive congrats to you and the family again :)
Yes! That was the main reason I bought it! And thank you so much!
@@joshjamescars yessir! Pls do a long road trip video soon 👍🙏
Traded in my modern-day 2023 turbocharged SUV for a used 2021 Lexus GX460 Luxury Package (with just 21,700 km) in October 2023. You see, for many months I’ve been agonizing whether I should get the 5th gen Toyota 4Runner or a Toyota/Lexus hybrid SUV as the last vehicle of my lifetime. I’m 68. Then I hesitantly decided to take the hybrid route and ordered the 2024 Lexus NX 350h (3 to 6 months waiting time here in Metro Vancouver). On a follow up session at the Lexus dealership regarding the NX 350h, a friend of mine saw a dinosaur in the most obscure rear corner of the showroom: the 2021 Lexus GX 460. The rest is history.
Now I have the best of both worlds: Lexus Luxury + Toyota 4Runner Off-Road Prowess = Total Reliability Package. Just saying.😊
Thanks for all your videos. Appreciate what you do.
Hello! You are most welcome and thank you for watching! You actually got better than 4Runner off-road prowess, you got Land Cruiser off-road prowess! Both are great but the GX as I’m sure you know is a more luxurious Land Cruiser and I absolutely love it for that reason. As for the NX350h, I can totally understand why you’d want that in Vancouver, I hear you have the highest gas prices in North America! But I think you made the right decision with the GX. You can always get a cheap hybrid like we did with the Prius or a cheap Tesla lease or something on the side if you really feel the need to cut the petrol bill down. But in the meanwhile, enjoy your GX and hold onto that forever!
What do you think about the headlights? Are they good in terms of brightness and distance compared to the current gen RX/NX? I am trying to gauge because my vision isn't what it used to be at night. Thanks.
Hello! I think they’re quite good but I wouldn’t be able to speak to them on a technical level, and given that vision impairment can be so wide ranging I would really recommend you test drive a GX in the evening if you can.
Wish you had shared what trim you have. Believe its a Prem plus. Thx for a good video. I loooove the GX and have the 2023 after owning 4 past GXs.
Watch the full video, I mentioned a couple times in the video that we have a Premium Plus and why we have it. ;)
@@joshjamescars Sorry, I expected that at the start. But did notice that mentuioned later and in an earlier video. That said... you did one of the best reviews.
I’m glad you presented this amazing review. Everything you said applied to my experience. The only reason I moved back to my 22 RX is because we take care of my mom and she couldn’t climb up in it anymore. I do miss it. You guys definitely made the correct choice. You are better off with Nuluxe for long term ownership. In my opinion leather needs more care over time. I also am used to the trackpad. It’s faster for me and less distracting as it is second nature to me. The new GX will be way overpriced and not on par with the luxury finishes.
Thank you! As for the 22 RX, that’s a real gem too and honestly much nicer to drive on a daily basis, plus like you say, so much easier to get into and out of. And I completely agree with the NuLuxe. We’ve had semi aniline leather in a past car and it’s beautiful but it’s a headache to keep it looking good over the long term. Cheers and thanks as always for coming back to watch and comment!!
Take care
We have a 2023 RX350h and have a newborn and realized cargo space is non existent and considering a GX but hung up on mpg. Would like to get your opinion as owning both?
I think it depends on what you want to be able to do with the car. If it’s going to be mostly family duty, I’d probably point you in the direction of a Grand Highlander or TX. Way, way more practical and more efficient as well. The GX is also a truck-based SUV and that means your seats are so high up that loading and unloading car seats could be a real ordeal, especially if either of you is short like me.
I’m also not a fan at all of the new RX so if I were you I would trade the RX for the GH or TX.
You might also consider another 3-row crossover like the Infiniti QX60 which has a much better engine (Nissan’s excellent, proven 3.5L VQ-series V6 instead of the turbo 4s that Toyota has been doing) or Acura MDX (which has Honda’s excellent 3.5L V6).
Hello Josh....I currently have a 14 Toyota 4runner Limited, and want to upgrade to something a little nicer. Looking at the GX460, or the Porsche Cayenne. Looking to get either a 2019/20, Both are around the same price point. Just curious....What are your thoughts opinions on those two?
Hello! Those are two hugely different vehicles and I think the biggest consideration is how long you want to keep it and much you want to pay over that time for maintenance. Take it from me, having owned euro luxury, Porsches are great but you’re looking at about $2K a year on average just for basic maintenance (servicing, tires, other standard wear items) and that’s without anything going wrong. And the CPO warranty only extends coverage 2 years beyond the new vehicle warranty so if you buy a 19/20 now, you’ll only be covered for another couple years (and buying CPO is a must). The Lexus on the other hand is a safer bet in terms of reliability and maintenance as you know with your 4Runner. The only thing with the Lexus is I would urge you to get a 2020+ to get the safety systems and the full LED headlights. Hope this helps!
I feel grateful every time i ride my gx460.
Regarding touchpad, same thing with me.. It is much easier and more convenient to use than directly touch the screen.. May be because i am a short guy.. But i think even tall people will find it easier and more comfortable to use it
Yes, I think so too! I feel it would be much more comfortable regardless of height.
Going to miss the V8 when it goes away for good. I had a 15 year old LS460 that I eventually had to get rid of because the repairs cost a big percentage of the car, but that V8 was so smooth. Hoping to find another one in the near future.
Oh no, sorry to hear that! But yes! The V8 just makes these old school Lexuses a special experience!
Totally agree !!!
The thing i dislike about my 23 GX are the 19" wheels on the sport design package. I wish I would have known going into it that there are no tires for it. Other than that I am very happy with it.
That’s interesting I didn’t realize that was an issue, thanks for letting me know! I avoided the sport package because I wanted the rear bench seat which I don’t think you can get with it. Cheers!
I'm a new GX owner 2017 to be precious which I love and also an LS 430 owner with all bells and whistles meaning I have all the options there are with an ultra luxury sedan. I have learnt my lesson and don't subscribe to the hype of "luxury" trim anymore. You pay going in and pay even more going out. Most of the stuff you pay for example Nakamichi sound system is crap not to mention the more moving parts you have the more problems you create (on stuff you hardly use). The Nakamichi subwoofer blows up within months not to mention the regular sound system that comes with the vehicle is just as good without the Nakamichi problems of rattling speakers. My new GX has the sport package and looks great, otherwise I don't need all the fluffy stuff that I don't need that will need fixing down the road. Right now my beloved LS 430 Ultra Luxury sedan sits down like a Citroen from the eighties. For one the air suspensions are not worth it. These are beautiful and reliable automobiles, but don't get sold on fluff you will never use for show. Be practical!
Owned... LS400, LS430 Ultra, LS460 and now GX460!
Hello! Congrats on the new GX, and the LS430 remains one of my favorite Lexus models ever made! And I completely agree at skipping the adaptive suspensions. I have never needed that on any car and don’t want the hassle of dealing with it down the line. I will take Mark Levinson any day, however. If I’m buying a luxury car it should have a good sound system.
I don't mind the lower cladding on the new cars. It's a design choice, but probably more durable, unless you've put protective wrap on your car. YMMV (obviously). And... everyone knows that a split tailgate is the only way to go, lol. (having an (older) Land Cruiser, and a newer GX, prefer the split tailgate of the LC. Not sure about the lift gate, that might be my least favorite. Pop open the back at Buccees on the way to grandma's house, and everything likely to spill out. Happens with the GX too. My wife won't ever learn to pop the glass partition.
We did the vinyl wrap for exactly that reason so we’ve got the best of both worlds. I just hate that the black plastic because it fades so quickly here even after being treated for UV. As for the split tailgate, I think like the barn door it comes with its own downsides.
Lost my 08 LX to the dealership when they didn’t add oil back into the engine after a service. Now I’m stuck in a Q7 - handles nicely, but waiting for GX550 to compare with the 460. Anyway, you can probably beat your prius time if you use the manual shift instead of relying on the engine to shift for you. I’ve test driven the 460 and got it to respond better when ramping up the rpms in manual. It’ll definitely move…those V8’s just need some guidance. Congrats on your beauty.
Oh no, so sorry to hear about your LX. What a huge loss. As for the 460 vs 550, you’re going to see a huge difference in the interior material quality. The new Lexus cars are cheap and flimsy inside compared to an older LX or the current GX460. Cost cutting and the need to save every pound possible in the car for fuel economy has really changed the way Toyotas feel. So, if that’s at all important to you, you might want to jump on a 460 now. I’m not sure if it’s still the case but last I heard GX550 production was delayed to mid year so the earliest we’ll see them at dealers is likely in the fall, by which time new 460s will probably be sold out, so do keep that in mind if buying a 460 new is of interest.
As far as the GX being slow, manual mode won’t change the fact that by comparison to anything electrified, a naturally aspirated V8 just can’t ever be fast by comparison. And I’m not wanting it to be, it’s just something that someone shopping for any of the turbo or supercharged options in this class should be aware of.
Hi Josh: i am one more of your "clients"! Yesterday I bought a GX460 2023 with premium plus sport package. It would be preposterous to claim that your video was the clincher but I can say it had great influence in buying the last old GX instead of waiting for the new one GX or for the new LC what was my original idea. You made a lot of great comments about the GX. One of them was the CD player that many reviewers made snide comments about. So yesterday I decided to go and sit in my new car and study the layout. But why not to have some music...I picked up my Luciano Pavarotti CD of his most famous arias and I put in the CD player. The surround sound of the Mark Levinson system it was mind blowing combined with the richness of the CD recording. Let me tell you: I coudn't read one more sentence since I was so enthralled in listening to the music. Just to support what you said: "On average, a CD is encoded at 1411 kbps while Apple Music only offers 256 kbps for their standard streaming option". That fact tells you the difference. Your comments were eye-opening for me. Thanks Josh!
Hello!! Congratulations on the new GX, I’m so happy my video played a part in your decision to buy a new GX! I think you absolutely made the right choice, and as for the LC, I don’t believe there will be another one, at least not a direct successor to the LC500 we have today. Lexus has already stated that they’re going to become an EV-only brand by the late 2020s so the next IS, LS, and LC will be all-electric vehicles. The only reason we have this new 2024 GX as a gas car is because it’s a lightly-Lexus-ified Land Cruiser 250 Prado. So all that to say hold onto your GX because we’ll never see anything like it again from Toyota or Lexus. As for the CD player, YES! I actually had initially recorded more on that for this video talking about bitrates and audio file fidelity but I cut it because I thought it might be boring and technical. But you’re spot on about CD audio file quality being multiple times better. That’s why artists who care about a good listening experience continue to put out CDs instead of leaving it to streaming services to release their music. Streaming audio is low quality by design to reduce the amount of data your phone is having to use to stream your audio (you can stream lossless on Apple Music but it warns you about dramatically increased data usage). So, congrats again on the car and thanks as always for watching!!!
Hi Josh: It was an intersting trip for me to end up with a Lexus. I have had a high respect for Toyota and Lexus but they haven't been my cup of tea. My brands have been Audi/BMW for primary transportation and Jeeps for secondary/off-road. (No rock climbing for me but dirt road YES!) Since we are not getting younger (I retired almost 3 years ago) the Jeep Rubicon was getting a bit too much of a truck! I was looking for something tamer with a pretty good dose of luxury but still with off-road capability and super reliability since we don't like to frequently replace our secondary car.s This is the way we decided: Toyota/Lexus is the way to go. First I was looking at the upcoming Toyota Land Cruiser 2024 what I liked a lot. But almost alll reviewers talked about the GX also. I looked at the GX 550 2024 what I liked but if I wanted to go with in that direction the LC looked even better. This is the way I started gravitating more and more towards the GX 460. In resolving my doubts you with interesting view points about some of the oddities of the car and Driving Sports Ryan about the GX460 off-road capabilities nudged me over to make the decision. I am extremely pleased with the car except when I need to go to the fuel station but the super Toyota/Lexus V8 makes me forget all of my concerns. Thanks again for your very insightful comments. Frank
I’m in Katy TX and work in Houston (32 miles each way) and in traffic I still get 16-17 mph and with no traffic at 70mph I get 19 to 20. I use cruise control almost all the time. I have a 2023 GX Luxury with Sport Package. You my friend have a heavy foot 😂
Hello from central Texas! I live just north of Austin and on our tollways here with no traffic here people are doing 80-100. If I’m on the 130 toll that I take to the airport and San Antonio, the speed limit there is 85 anyhow and so most people are doing between 90 and 100 and that’s why my mileage is lower than yours. It’s either that or I’m sitting in standstill traffic. Also hurts my economy.
This guy strikes me as a decent human being, thanks for the review.
Glad I came off that way, and thanks for watching!
Thanks so much for a great review. I just pulled the trigger on 2023 GX460 based on great reviews like yours. One question I have for you? How do you take care of your car after you purchase one? Would you recommend the dealership service center or a regular mechanic? I read up on the pros and the cons of each, and I was wondering what your thoughts are. In particular, my local dealership service center charges ~$1000 for a 30K mile check-up. That’s real money just for a check-up for a few tune-up items and they would add other things as they find on top of it. Do you think it’s worth it? I purchased my GX and I plan on keeping for good 10-15 years, fyi. Thanks in advance for your insights on the issue!
Hello! I generally always take it to the dealer at least for as long as the warranty is in effect, and even after that I usually do just so they can’t say something was my fault. Also, you need to be aware that you’re purchasing a very expensive luxury car and even though it’s a Toyota, $1,000 at 30K is nothing. For most German cars I’d set aside $2,000 A YEAR for maintenance and work. And then considering a set of tires for the GX is also well over $1K, you’ll want to factor in enough for routine wear items as well.
If you’re not handy (I wouldn’t consider myself to be handy either, for the record), I would take it to the dealer and pay for them to maintain it, at least until the warranty is up.
The one thing you might want to consider doing is a good paint protection film application. I’ll link my video on it below. It’s pricey, but for me it’s a must do on cars I intend to keep for a while (like the GX). See that here: czcams.com/video/-RoYUcBC1ug/video.htmlsi=JxbfRxpfI-5qAlGU
Very helpful. Thank you so much! And thank you for the tip about the protection film! I am considering an NX when my current lease is up next year for my second car. Keep up the great work! I will keep following! 👍
Check out some of my other videos, I actually had an NX for six months or so and it just wasn’t doing it for me. The interiors of the new Lexuses have gotten really cheap as of late and I’m not a fan. Ended up flipping it for this GX. I’d much rather have a high trim Rav or Venza for less than the NX.
Ah, interesting. I will definitely check it out. Thanks so much! 😊
@@jcho8997 Just make sure you go with the Venza limited with or without the stargaze roof, which is a unicorn IMO. I tried for five months, for the largest Toyota Dealer in Houston area, Fred Haas TOyota World to get me a Venza Limited with the options I wanted.
No can do and I think it was because of the middleman "Gulf States Toyota", which controls allocations to the dealerships in five states in and around Texas. They are one of two independent Toyota middlemen/distributors in the United States. Most Toyota dealers buy direct from Toyota but not in Texas.
Just bought our 2023 gx premium plus with the sport package and captains chairs. White with black interior. Do not care for the look of the 2024. Love it so far.
Congratulations! I would have gotten the Sport package as well had you not been forced to get the captains chairs. Since I leave my third row folded, the bench seat is way better for my needs.
Agree- the 2024 GX looks like it should be badged as a 4Runner model, not a Lexus.
We should address this to Lexus to help motivate them again for refinements and true luxury (think like Japanese reliable version of Mercedes). Kinda like Acura was before. They did lost their way between late 2000s and late 2010s, but they finally get their heads together for what they meant to be (sporty luxury brand, similar to BMW).
Yes! Could not agree more with that. And Lexus are absolutely going through an Acura/Infiniti phase right now. As for Japanese Mercedes, I think that’s spot on although Mercedes is also starting to slide backward to the cheap interiors of the mid-2000s with their latest products. The EQ line especially has some of the cheapest feeling plastics. I suspect it’s for weight savings to get every last foot of range but still, squeaks and rattles like crazy even on the dealership floor.
Coming from a 4x4 Silverado Z711 V8 my new 23 GX feels nimble and. Quick in a parking lot. LOL. And I’m used to terrible gas mileage. I don’t like the premium fuel but it is what it is. Great video
That’s very interesting! Having daily driven an F150 I’ve always found their trucks to handle far better than Toyota’s body on frame SUVs. And same at the premium fuel but it’s worth it to own the GX. Thanks for watching!
I’m talking about parking and maneuvering at places like Costco. This is a pleasure
Do you run premium fuel in your GX? Is it still required?
See 13:27 it is absolutely required.
Josh what di you think about the sepia interior color?
Hello! I think it’s okay, though I’m not a huge fan of interiors that are a dark-ish color like that as I think they look kind of dingy. And specifically with the GX, I also don’t like that the sepia interior still has an ecru/light beige headliner because it looks mismatched and that means you have an ecru headliner, sepia seats, and black carpeting (they only make two headliner colors: ecru and black so Rioja red also gets a black headliner). But if that doesn’t bother you any you like the Sepia, go for it!
I strongly agree about the product confusion between the 2024 GX and the 2024 Land Cruiser! If I want a rough and ready off-road vehicle, I prefer this in the cheaper Land Cruiser than the more expensive GX! Lexus is supposed to use luxury , but not at the expense of orienting the new GX to total off-road prowess!
Yes! 100000% agree! And now there’s no true luxury midsize Toyota/Lexus SUV since the LX and Sequoia are huge and I consider the new RX with its all-four cylinder engine lineup to be premium and not luxury.
Excellent review. My warranty will expire on my 2018 Escalade in April 2025, I have owned Lexus vehicles (ES, GS, 2021 GX 460briefly, RX) in the past. I am thinking about purchasing a 2023 GX 460 now or wait another year. I am getting older (57) and thinking about reliability.
Hello! If you want a GX460, I would buy one ASAP. There are probably still a few brand new left on dealer lots here and there. And that way you can buy brand new. For reliability, you can’t go wrong. Although, your Escalade’s 6.2 V8 is a pretty reliable engine too, all things considered if you don’t feel like buying a brand new car. I wouldn’t hesitate to keep that out of warranty.
@@joshjamescars Thanks for the reply. I was looking at a 2023 GX Luxury, but the best interest rate at this Atlanta area dealership is 5.9%. My credit is too good that kind of a rate. I will try to renew the warranty after it expires next April.
@corpnupe85 Well, that’s the state of the economy right now, so you have to balance that with how important it is to buy it brand new. Also, I’d assuming your Escalade is paid off, but if you were able to get $30K for it (guessing based on what I see them going for here), that would only be another $25-30K to pay in cash or finance over a year or so if you really have to.
Dang we old...When you show us your cd players, the flashback came like a wrecking ball, special when you show the Cardigans cd.
Wonder if Toyota will stop with the v8, because certain engines will not survive Africa/Middle east and certain South American and Asian countries harsh environment
Ahh sweet memories, thanks for the review.
Hahaha! We are, sadly! And thank you for watching and commenting as always!! As for the V8, Toyota has confirmed that petrol V8s are dead (except oddly for the V8 diesel that the 70-series Land Cruiser gets in Australia). The Land Cruiser 300, for example, doesn’t get a V8 in any market, the top engine being the 3.4L twin turbo V6. Time will tell how well it holds up, I would honestly expect it to be reliable given that it’s from Toyota but for me it’s the ride and refinement from the V8 that’s going to be sorely missed.
Can you do a review on cargo space with the third row up and down? I am looking at buying one but the cargo space is the only thing I am unsure of and can’t find a good review of that. Maybe show you putting some common things in it like a carry on luggage (or a few) or smaller things if a carry on won’t fit with the third row up
Oh this is easy to answer, you essentially don’t have any usable space when the third row is up, unfortunately.
@@joshjamescars with that in mind, would it be good for roadtrips and maybe just have a luggage carrier behind it or on top of it? I live 700 hours from family and make a 10-12 hour drive one way twice a year but we need a third row because two kids and a dog. Or would it help if only half the third row is up for the dog and the other seats are down so we could strap some stuff on top of the half that is folded? Sorry I am asking so many details. Your reviews are the best I have found so I really trust your opinion on this lol
@@joshjamescars my husband and his family are hard core Lexus or Toyota people so I am very limited in my options. I had decided to just bite the bullet on the GH or TX but then my husband finally realized we need to move (have outgrown our house) so now I’m looking at a 2022 GX or 4 runner and put the $10-15k I’d save getting one of those towards a house instead.
Hello! No apologies needed! This is why I love doing these videos! And as sad as I am to say, I think for the money and your needs, you might be better off with a top spec Grand Highlander. It’ll be about $59 or so fully loaded (versus $65K for a mid-trim GX) and you’ll have so much more space for all your family and gear. I also wouldn’t want to pack your poor doggo in the cargo area of the GX with all your stuff. Plus, the Grand Highlander runs on regular gas and will likely be more efficient than the GX. The thing about the GX is that it’s a great car but by modern standard it’s small because that’s what “midsize” was when it came out back in 2009 but over the last almost 15 years people’s needs and expectations from cars have changed and so now a Grand Highlander is what we consider “midsize”. And even with the turbo hybrid engine the Grand Highlander should still be really reliable and serve you well and be way, way, way more comfortable on long haul roadtrips.
@@joshjamescars thank you so much!
Next summer I’m getting a 2023 Gx 460 or a 2021 lx570. What are your thoughts?
Hello! If you think you could do with the GX, I would actually buy one now and get it new while you can. I’ve heard dealers in many parts of the country are discounting them by $5-10K to get rid of them. I like the LX570 as well and it is the flagship, but it’s a substantially larger vehicle and handles as such. There’s also a lot more that tends to go wrong with LXs because most of them came standard with air suspension and such. For me, it’s more mass and volume than I want to deal with on the road and so for me, the GX is perfect.
@@joshjamescars thanks for the input. I am quite tall and don’t mind a larger vehicle. Keep up the good content.
Purchase the latest low mileage vehicle possible.
The track pad is just ok to me, but the biggest frustration with is that it’s not easily useable if there is a beverage in that second cup holder.
Has anyone else felt that some of the interior materials and finishes seem very poor quality? I have had my 24 GX460 for just a few months and there are so many annoying scratches here and there.
Scratches on the interior aren’t necessarily indicative of poor quality materials, they’re indicative of more delicate or fragile materials typically used in a luxury car versus more hardy and robust materials used in something like a 4Runner (the GX’s brother vehicle in the mainstream class). It’s definitely an interior you need to be very mindful of, especially if you have the semi-aniline leather which is designed to pick up every scratch and scuff because the idea of semi aniline leather is for it to patina over time.
Hey Josh, I’m coming from a 2022 Trd pro 4 runner.
I just picked up a 23 GX 460 in August for an overland build
I love the car, but there are definitely things that I miss about the Toyota like the rolldown real window the more gadgets and gizmos like the standard multi terrain select all that stuff
I love your videos, but I will say I haven’t fallen in love with my GX yet as I still have to take it out west after I modify it
But there are certain things, for instance like in the center infotainment screen between the gauges. It doesn’t tell me what song I’m listening to.
But the Toyota forerunner has the same exact screen, and it shows it to me
Just small things like that really kind of annoy me in the Lexus!
Hello! So I actually totally understand you here. Personally I wouldn’t be in love with the GX as the base for an overland build either and thats why I emphasized in this video that both these trucks have a place in the market because I really do think you have to do too much to a GX to make it really work as an overlanding rig. To do it right, you’ll need to completely chop the front and the spindle grill doesn’t really make that possible to do nicely without spending a lot of money.
It’s worth noting that while the Land Cruiser Prado and GX are very capable off road, the Land Cruiser Prado line has always been specifically designed for on-road use. Which is why markets around the world have always had both a “real” Land Cruiser (200 series, for example) and a Prado variant sold together and then there’s always a Fortuner or 4Runner below it as well. And why MTS and Crawl Control are only available on the Luxury grade GX.
Also I didn’t realize that you couldn’t display media on the center screen and I had to go into mine to confirm! That’s so odd. I always use that screen for the digital speedo and use the split screen for persistent media display on the center screen.
@@joshjamescars yes, you’re right, my friend! I have to put an expensive suspension on the truck before I make it truly off road ready. The 4runner came ready to go.
Maybe I will go back to a Toyota 4runner one day, not sure 🤔
Yes, there are some silly little things that are not included in the GX And I get a few little glitches with Apple CarPlay sometimes like when I first connect I can’t adjust the volume so I have to turn off the audio and turn it on and then I can adjust the volume.
And then if I put a CD in while I have Apple CarPlay, sometimes it doesn’t read the CD because I’m playing audio from phone.
Also, I find the car a bit ugly compared to the 4runner especially in the rear quarter panel
But I’m gonna give this car a chance!
Coming from someone who sells these for a living you only need the luxury if you can’t drive a big car because it gets you the 360 cam and the off road package that’s really all your paying for and the fake leather is way more comfortable when it’s hot out 😂 the 23 gx is still the best one to buy unless your planning to sit in traffic a lot in it then get the 24 much more electric controls for steering and a better adaptive cruise system
Hahaha I never thought of it that way but I agree! I always have a pretty good idea where my car is and thus have never felt the need to have a 360 camera. And agreed at the NuLuxe being better in the heat.
Thanks Josh for the great review. I am waiting for a used price to drop so I could get one. Here is what I am see the GX460 usage. It's a reliable family hauler, luxury cruiser, moderate off roader, and a light camper/boat tower (3500-4000lbs). I think if you don't use it in all of those categories, then you don't need this vehicle.
I agree except for the off-roading part, I don’t think they’re great off-roaders from the factory because of the bodywork and bumpers. I think if you do moderate off-roading, you should modify the vehicle a bit. Also, as for buying used due to price, many dealers are heavily discounting these brand new, some viewers have said they got their as much as $8K off! So if that would work for you, might want to shop around and maybe buy new!
Thanks Josh! I am planning to pull the trigger before the end of the year. You seem to really like your Ecru, but some forums have mentioned that the Ecru stains easily and can even soak up color from pigment heavy clothes like blue jeans. Has this been your experience? Debating between Ecru and Sepia…
Hello! I do love my ecru, but it can definitely take on color from jeans and such and you do need to be more careful with it but the same is actually true of sepia or Rioja red. You’ll still see dye transfer from clothes on sepia and Rioja red. The only color you don’t have to look after at all is black. Also, if keeping your seats nice is important, NuLuxe is FAR much more resilient than the semi-aniline leather which will stain, stretch, and patina over time which is the whole point of semi-aniline leather since it’s porous, un-treated leather and just like our skin, ages over time. All that said, I’m generally OCD about keeping my car pristine on the inside and outside so for me having the ecru isn’t a problem but it’s definitely not for everyone.
@@joshjamescars I have the Acorn color semi-aniline leather (in my 2023 ES300h) and use Chemical Guys Leather treatment and conditioner on it to keep it clean and conditioned. You just don't overdue the cleaning and use the conditioner often. No big deal.
I’ve had semi aniline leather in a few cars as well and it generally looks fine for the first 2-5 years, so your 23 is obviously still going to look fresh, but as it ages that’s when it starts to patina, and that’s not a bad thing, just not my preference. Chemical guys is fantastic that’s what I used in my XC90 with the Amber semi aniline leather as well!
My local Lexus dealer emailed me and said they have over 20 of the 2023 GX 460 in the lot and willing to offer some discount. I have been eyeing thw 2022 and 2023 GX for a couple years now. But I know the MPG of this car will be the bane of my existence. Oh what to do!?
I mean… it’s your last chance to buy new and if you’re able to put enough down to get out of it later on if you decide it is costing you too much to run, then I say go for it!
If you can afford a Lexus GX purchase the 91 premium gas price should not be an issue unless you are driving very long commuting distances every week, in which case a smaller more efficient mpg vehicle makes more sense. Then again, life is so short and this 2023 GX rides like an old limousine.
Excellent review. I have both the luxury package leather and the leatherette product. As my leather is on a 10 yo vehicle, it did not age very well, having areas wher the leather starts to fold and wrinkle versus the surfaces that are leatherette which look brand new. The Lexus leatherette is an amazing product, has much more structural integrity than leather, yet comparable to leather in feel. I would not say the leather on the 10 yo vehicle is bad, it is excellent. Also, some folks like the look of more worn and less structured leather, I am not one.
Hello! Thank you and yes! I agree with everything here. Fun fact, with NuLuxe (and Toyota’s SofTex), the seating material is actually bonded to the foam padding in the seat, where the leather is more like a slip cover on a sofa where it’s just wrapped around the cushioning and so you’re spot on that the NuLuxe has better structural integrity! And will, like you say, look brand new even 10 years on. And that’s why I was okay with giving up the semi-aniline leather in this car. We had a new-gen XC90 with the beautiful semi-aniline leather and even after just 3 years, like you say, it stretched and sagged and wrinkled which is what it’s supposed to do, but I too don’t care for that look. Cheers!
Josh,
what is the best way to clean Nuluxe? I have a 23 GX with Ecru interior. I have used Lexol, Chemical Bros and other leather/vinyl cleaners but its still difficult to remove blue jeans dye.
thx
Kris
@kvsm3 Hey Kris! I have had good luck with Turtle Wax interior detailer and on leather I used to use the Chemical Guys leather cleaner and conditioner set. I also personally rarely wear denim jeans which helps. If you do, or if you have a pair that you know always transfers dye, I’d just put a towel down or get a seat cover that’s easy to put on and take off when needed.
@@joshjamescars Thanks for the tips Josh! I will try Turtle Wax interior detailer. I always wear denim, maybe thats the issue 😀
Have a 2023. Dislikes: 1) as you pointed out, much old school lighting. I swapped out ALL old school for LEDs…inside and out…(the running board amber lights were embarrassingly weak, btw). 2) No matter what, the auto-high beams kick in very quick, even when sometimes they shouldn’t. 3) yes, gas mileage. 4) not quick off the line. 5) paint is silky smooth, and yet chips very easily. I travel a lot, and even having it ceramic coated, I get a ton of chips. Down to the metal. 6) stock 18” tires were trash…loud, unruly…immediately swapped for Michelins. Likes you didn’t mention: 1) the manual shift mode. I use this all of the time. When you get up to speed, throw it to the left, immediately drops to 4th gear, then you shift up to 5th and 6th, and back over to the right when ready. Easy peasy, makes the engine much more responsive, and great for passing and maneuvering. 2). The power hatch release on the barn door. Makes it so easy to access, even if no room to open the whole door. 3) the base sound system is more than adequate, and better as the volume goes up, especially for satellite and Hd radio. 4) Visibility is outstanding. 5) seats for a big guy, are very comfortable. 6) the price for my brand new 2023 Premium with discount, was only $57k….try that with virtually any other luxury (or even domestic) SUV in this category.
Hello! Thanks for leaving this comment, I love hearing about others’ experience. Two things that stood out to me are 1. Your tires! What came stock on them? Mine (and most that I’ve seen in other videos) came with terrific Michelin Latitudes. Amazing ride. I’d have been annoyed if I had to pay to swap out tires on a brand new vehicle. As for the paint, yes, Toyota’s paint is notoriously “soft” and you have to be VERY careful with buffing it. And regarding the ceramic coating, I’m not sure if you know but it doesn’t actually protect your paint from chips it’s just to seal the paint which prevents dirt and grime from building up on the paint making it easier to wash, but it doesn’t offer any impact protection. We did a full paint protection film application on GX and I love it because it’s like bulletproof armor for road debris. Video on that linked at the end of the comment, though you’d need to have the ceramic coating removed before having PPF applied if you wanted to do it. See that here, I swear by it on all our cars: czcams.com/video/-RoYUcBC1ug/video.htmlsi=Yn2eRnegCMLZl8Ql
My stock tires were Bridgestone Dueller H/Ts…terrible. And I added a hood protector to help some with rock chips…
How odd! Those are, as you say, terrible and cheap tires. They come stock on many cheap SUVs. Really surprised a Lexus came with them. Thanks for replying!
I have a 23 premium plus , love everything about it accept the poor safety system & clear tail lights
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Great review. I own a 2020 GX 460 and it is the best vehicle that I have ever owned. Concerning your comment on the mpg, this is the animal people focus on the most when in reality it should be the number you focus on the least. Why?
The GX 460 is a 5,200 lb vehicle empty. Fully loaded you could be well over 6,200 lbs, and the the amount of energy necessary to move that amount of weight is staggering hence the poor gas mileage. With that said, if you are willing to buy a $65-$75,000 SUV then mpg should not be something you worry about.
You may pay a little more at the pump, or you could be like my moron brother who bought a Ford Expedition Ecoboost and just had the turbos go out at 89,500-ish miles and it cost him $7,000 to fix and replace. His gas mileage was 1-2 mpg better city and highway.
You can't have both reliability and great gas mileage you can only have one or the other, and I will take reliability every time. It cost less both in time and money in the long run.
I agree completely but especially for west coasters who plan to put 12K+ on the car the cost can add up quickly.
@@joshjamescarsCost of living adjusts according to each coast and inbetween, so the fact they make twice the salary and things cost twice the price is a mute issue.
@snakeplissken8506 Note that I didn’t say anything about salary, nor did I say it wasn’t worth paying for. What I said was if I lived in California (my home state) and if I were to drive the GX as a daily, filling up once a week at their prices, that’s about $7,000 a year in gas. If gas stays around these prices for the next 10 years, I could pay the entire cost of the GX in fuel.
I love how the current GX model is a luxury truck, essentially the 4Runner in a tuxedo. That legendary V8 is bulletproof that will let this vehicle be a family heirloom. The new GX is a disappointment with its turbocharge V6.
Agreed!!!
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Only wish the Nuluxe was more comfortable. It’s not horrible. But after 2-3 hours driving you realize how stiff it is. Have a RX with semi-aniline leather that is SO comfortable
Maybe that’s a personal preference, I’ve never felt that to be the case with NuLuxe, even after long drives. I have had cars with semi-aniline leather and personally it’s way more upkeep than I would prefer.
Agree. I had that debate on Nuluxe lasting longer vs semi aniline showing the wear and tear with time. For sure a personal preference
I was really surprised to see that lexus decided to save money and opted out of wooden steering wheel, which is kind of lexus luxury mark. New GX now looks just like a Toyota .
It’s mainly for technology reasons. The new wheels are fully heated (which of course the wooden ones are not), and the new leather wheels have capacitive touch sensors embedded within them that are used with the Toyota/Lexus safety sense 3.0 systems that the new vehicles have. That said, I still don’t like them and would much rather have my wooden wheel. 😂
New interior definitely cheaper looking..
The reason why they could not get assist technology is because steering is hydraulic instead of electronic. Which for me makes it a big negative, because the steering play is comical, 1+ inch means nothing to the GX. So, that is the big negative, in this vehicle I don’t get the engagement of a hydraulic steering feedback, but get all the negatives that come with it. The second dislike is the relatively short wheelbase, great for off-roading, but not so great for city with roads that have recesses that are slightly longer than wheelbase distance, the GX rocks back and forth in a very unrefined manner, while vehicles like the Tundra, Sequoia and even Sienna do a much better job. The interior is amazing, makes it easy to forget the others.
Yes to your point about the steering assist missing due to the hydraulic power assisted steering, though other brands have gotten around that by using yaw braking on an opposing wheel to gently tug the car back into the lane. That has other mild downsides (uneven tire and brake wear) but still. As for the rocking back and forth, I don’t ever experience that in my GX, as you say in a previous comment that you have the luxury, I’m assuming you have the adaptive variable suspension, you may want to have Lexus look at the suspension next time you take it in for service. The adaptive damper system can have issues that can lead to the car not driving the way it can. The infamous “GX lean” is also far more common on vehicles with the air suspension and adaptive dampers as well. Hopefully they can remedy that for you because that would really annoy me if mine did that!
@@joshjamescars LOL, my other Lexus is the beautiful 2013 GS, subjectively one of the most gorgeous cars ever made, generous curves that all work together to be more eye candy and refined than screaming styled sports cars. In Texas, probably hard to find a road place where you can encounter an abrupt decline to a flat area that is just a touch longer then wheelbase and then an incline, but the suspension of my Premium GX that I have does not do great specifically with that road feature, which I often encounter in hilly areas. Maybe in Austin, and you may be able to experience it. It has a minor whiplash like affect when driving as the car front dips forward and starts recuperating to neutral and the second abrupt incline pushes the recovery to be accentuated rocking the vehicle backwards more than any single decline/incline would have performed, kinda adding them together in magnitude. In the rest of the Texas cities, is probably difficult to find it that condition. Thanks for mentioning the GX lean, no worries there, I am a new owner. I happen to like the steering, but for the feedback that I get, I would much have rather have the 'boring feedback' electronic steering that comes with lane assist. For a 23 Toyota or Lexus, it is a small opportunity cost not having the assist, small compromise for getting a true all environment vehicle, city, suburbia or nature.
@gwilli1754 So fun fact I actually live in Austin! And I drive our back country roads in the Hill Country quite frequently so I do know exactly what you’re talking about and again mine doesn’t do that, at least not to that degree. But again, I don’t have any of the adaptive dampers and air suspension which can cause a lot of what you’re feeling. In my 4Runner TRD Pro I did get a lot more of that because it had the Fox off-road suspension which, like the adaptive suspension in the GX, has way more give and play than the non-adaptive suspension which is why I like it.
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# 4 dislike when you drive in regular " D " mode it is designed to save fuel so you are in ECO mode, switch it to manual S mode and you'll feel the difference.
That’s not exactly right, the eco program kicks in when the vehicle isn’t under load and manual mode is just a top gear lockout, it doesn’t remap the throttle at all. But regardless, this car isn’t fast by modern standards. The fastest it’ll ever do 0-60 is about 7.5 seconds and our Rav4 Prime is 2 seconds faster to 60 than the GX and gets through the quarter mile at over 100mph. Naturally aspirated ICE vehicles just can’t ever match the feeling and speed of electric torque and power. Doesn’t mean they’re not great, but by modern standards the GX is slow, heavy, and can be a burden to drive.
What Josh said in the video is that for anyone who has an EV or PHEV the GX will feel slow. I can wholeheartedly agree as we own a GX and an Audi eTron. The GX is an amazing car but it’s a slow moving hound dog regardless of whether you shift it yourself or leave it in D. Also seconding that D is not an eco mode.
Agree to disagree, RAv 4 should be faster than the Gx by a lot. It weighs half of GX. Regardless, that V8 engine is designed for different things than speed. It does make a difference when you switch to manual as RPMS goes up which is what this engine thrives on, high RMPS. My biggest dislike is the uncomfortable seats, especially the side bolsters, too narrow. @@joshjamescars
RPM goes up because moving the gear shifter into the manual mode automatically kicks you down a gear or two to 5th or 4th which will of course give you more power. That’s not sport mode, it’s just shifting to a lower gear.
I love Josh. Yes you are still a spring chicken:)
Thank you! And I so appreciate you saying so! There are teenagers out there who don’t know what a CD is so… 😂😅
Your 4Runner is already large and a 'truck.' Other than the wonderful and fuel-guzzling V8, doesn't the 22 RX 350 have most of the things you like about the GX460 (and a few more) plus having none of the 6 things you dislike?
Yes but we actually sold the 4Runner a month or so ago since ir was semi redundant and actually got more ($50K) than we paid for it new in 2019 ($46K). Took $30K of that and bought the Prius. As for the 2022 RX, I have different dislikes about it. Namely, it doesn’t have the same body on frame ride, no digital speedometer, the 8-speed auto is always in the wrong gear (seeks top gear ALL THE TIME so then you’re left flat footed when you want power), and I would have had to buy one used and I always prefer to buy new. Plus, like you said it doesn’t have the amazing V8. Otherwise it’s a great alternative for someone who wants a car-based crossover.
Ahh - I missed that you sold the 4Runner - thus another body on frame 'truck' :).@@joshjamescars
Haha you didn’t miss anything in this video, I think I mentioned it at the very end of the first Prius video. But yes! This kind of truck-based SUV is a must for me and I love the GX so much that I didn’t feel like I needed to hold onto the 4Runner also.
I really like the new Toyota/Lexus that are coming out
But I see why your dislike towards new GX.
I like what’s coming out on the Toyota side a lot! But it’s odd to me because they seem to be getting objectively better cars than Lexus. Like my new Prius and the Crown Estate that’s coming, for example, that we may buy if the pricing is right. And getting all the engines first. Even the Land Cruiser, I think it’s overpriced but I’d buy it sooner than I’d buy the new GX.
True I see where you coming from@@joshjamescars , but in true Toyota fashion, they will strip some of the "premium" and put on Lexus or maybe they will stop producing certain Lexus models and put on Toyota products like Crown(it's a familiar car in Japan market).
So how many miles on a full tank?
So how many miles on a full tank?
It all depends on your driving, if it’s mostly (like 90%) highway you could do 19-20 on average or if your driving is mixed like mine it’s more like 14-16. Then multiply whatever that is by 23 gallons (fuel tank capacity) and you’ll get your hypothetical range.
Got 17 GX premium sport and a tesla MYP. They weigh about the same but obviously very different cars. That last of the vault like lexus is forever gone starting in 2024. I do love both cars for their own characteristics. But I know the GX will out last the tesla
Yes! Completely agreed, and both great at different things. If I had to bet money, I’d bet that the GX will outlast our Prius and Rav Prime too.
I also do not like the appearance of the 2024 Lexus GX- it is too much like a Toyota 4Runner, which I would purchase in lieu of the new Lexus GX and for half the cost. Let's be realistic here, if you had the option to buy an overland -type vehicle to choose and it was the 2024 GX; 2024/2025 Toyota Land Cruiser; or the 2024 4Runner, which model would you choose? Probably the Land Cruiser followed by the 4Runner, not the $60-$80K Lexus GX! TGHis is called 'cannibalization' in the auto trade and those who buy Lexus want luxury, luxury, luxury over a cross-country adventure platform. The most cross-country and obstacle environment a Lexus GX user will most likely confront is driving over a curb, riding in snow/ice, or riding over a lawn.
I think this thing is going to hold fantastic value (they already do). But once people convert to EV and the v8 becomes extinct, there will still be plenty of car people who will want to collect these. It'll be like a classy mechanical watch. I bet 10 years from now, this thing will still sell for 50k+ with 100k miles on it.
I completely agree! And 100% agreed on the watch reference too. There’s a reason Rolexes are in such high demand even though one can get an Apple Watch which is arguably more useful and better at most things.
I am sure that bad boy rides just fine without air suspension.
Entirely! I prefer the ride without it, actually.
@@joshjamescars people would be surprised how smooth most suvs and trucks ride. New or old. I had a 74 Chevrolet C10 pickup long bed, and you could take it on a long road trip and it feel just fine. It only got about 12 miles per gallon on the hwy though. Lol
I too dislike plastic moulding around the wheels. It’s so tacky
It’s so tacky! And at least where I live, fades so fast even with UV treatment and then you end up with something that looks like an old Honda element.
Exactly, unless it has a naturally aspirated engine and three electric motors. Otherwise don't buy, to many issues that have not been discovered yet. Why be the guinea pig for a new model, if you need a GX buy the 2023 ASAP.
Completely agreed. Even if I wanted the new one I’d definitely give it a year or two for them to perfect the tooling and assembly and work out all the little kinks that are always there at launch.
The gas cost is reliability tax. GX/LX/Land Cruiser will still be on the road 20-30 years for now with minimal maintenance. It is designed to survived in 3rd world countries. it is the vehicle of choice of UN and terrorists. Can we say the same about any other brand?
Could not agree more!!
2024 does NOT look like a Lexus. Its a range rover with a Lexus logo. YUCK!
I think most Range Rovers look a lot better than the 2024 GX. 😂
Perhaps not, however, my 2023 premium rides like a dream and will last forever. 😊
I apologize, mine is a 2023, not a 2024.
It also plays dvds