Surfacing Ford Model A Manifold on a Shaper
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Well, changing the gasket was a temporary fix, but it didn't last.
Luckily, I have the tools to flatten the mating surfaces on the manifold, so that's exactly what I'm going to do.
Enjoy!
Commentary is good ,town and country driving is fine
Noted :)
Keep talking, your sense of humor is the best part.
Thanks :)
That is my idea of a car! You can access the entire engine to work on it.!Viewing from Canada
True! The whole "old cars are more reliable" may not be true, but if they go wrong, it takes a crescent wrench and a screw driver to fix them up!
I'd rather swap a head gasket on this puppy than change the oil on our '06 Focus because it sits so low you can't even get a wrench (let alone a drain pan) underneath to open the drain plug
Needles to say it'd be some special odd-size Super-Torx for which a wrench costs more than the entire car is worth.
Also watchimg from Canada! 🍻
Love the giggle when you hit the horn in the tunnel
I thoroughly enjoyed this! It's obvious that the first tool you need in your toolbox is patience. :-)
I love the drives on the country roads. It gives you a chance to show what she can do.
26:13 "I'm not going to do the 70Km because it's raining but, you know 60 Km should be doable."
26:20 "Maybe 65".
26:24 "68".
26:27 "Woo-Hoo!!!"
26:33 "We're doing 80!"
Now THAT'S how you enjoy your Model A!
Thank you for this.
Patience is indeed one of the skills I am most thankful to have acquired.
Being able to do things the right way without cutting corners is always worth it, once you see the result!
Regarding the "reckless driving sequence", it must have been the downhill part that made me realise the manifold was sealed up for good and let me switch from "anxious testing mode" to "enjoy the ride mode" :D
I had to do the same on both my Austin 7's, well I paid someone to do as I do not have access to the machines.
The other factor is that the modern gaskets are not as good as the originals, which were "full fat" asbestos in a sheet of copper sandwich, further superior to the modern foil things.
Great to see the improvements, hope you are enjoying the driving experience, I love driving the vintage cars! Thanks for sharing! Greetings from the UK!
On a shaper you can fix almost everything. Good job and thanks for the ride.
Coming up: Shaping cylinder head to increase compression ratio ;P
with some machining capabilities, you can do about anything.
for sure that a warped manifold is mostly due to parts machined as cast ( no stress relief ) and attempting to stop the leak by overtightening will lead to a cracked manifold.
very good video
Keep talking to us while you're driving, either about the car, or about where you're driving. 👍
Nice workmanship
Awsome!
Personaly i think You hawe a good balance in Your videos as they are.
Thanks :D
the sound of the road, engine and transmission are great! love the roads in Germany! and the shaper is fantastic!!
You did well congratulations from Aotearoa (New Zealand)
Thanks alot :)
Lovely drive. I enjoy any type of commentary, etc. after all, it is a repair video. Runs great! Not being able to travel, seeing Germany, city or countryside, is a huge bonus. Great job! I have one leaking bad enough to cause backfiring so and I’m afraid what I’ll find so...
I like commentary while you are doing your videos. Cheers
I'm looking at this video on Saturday, December 23, 2023 in northern California, USA
My understanding is that the gland rings were obsoleted from Ford production (in 1929 maybe?). I did not use gland rings the last time I had the manifolds off my 1930 daily driver. That was about four years ago. No issues.
The way I see it, the gland rings are a leftover from the Model T era, where exhaust and intake manifold were two separate pieces held on with strap clamps and would require six hands to properly align while bolting them down.
Having the gland rings would allow you to rest the exhaust manifold onto the block so you can deal with the intake manifold.
Good job on the repair. I love to hear the "A" powering through the gears. 80kh, you flying man.
I prefer all of those as appropriate.
Nice repair and good use of the shaper!
Thanks!
Great video.
On the rides; country and normal sounds.
Thanks
excellent video; well explained.
I dig the country driving!
Stone windowsill makes an adequate surface plate, clever. 1.50 mm out of flat is excessive. I am sure you have considered making solid non split exhaust gland rings. H13 (DIN 1.2344) steel could be an option, it is hard to machine.
Great fun, thanks for the video!
Great video, I'm glad you were able to sort it out. Comments do enhance the videos and I don't think it matters what roads you use.
Alright, I noted it down :)
good job
I like occasional comment from you to know what you are thinking.
Best regards.
I like your comments !
While most reproduction mufflers have a smaller flaring that mates to the exhaust manifold, requiring the internal sleeve or other way to seal the joint, mufflers made by Aries Limited (www.amuffler.com) are made to Ford blueprints and do NOT need anything except the Ford muffler clamp. I've had one of those on my car for 30 years.
Absolutely. Using flared joints and a clamp around it is how many other cars up until the 80s managed to seal their exhaust system up for good. Once my repro muffler has rusted through, it'll get swapped for a stainless Aries, but for now, I'll make do with what I've got.
@@AstraWerke Good decision. After 30 years on my car, the Aries muffler looks and sounds like new. I've known Joe Davis for all of those years; great guy.
Excellent work, my friend!
Yess, Paul Shinn QC approved - what an honor :D
@@AstraWerke Ha ha!! Your work is very nice.
Why am I not surprised to see Mr. Paul Shinn, the Model A guru, here! 👏
In my search for a shaper, found you channel. Going this am to look at a 450 Klopp, and then had to stop in to see the model a. Have had 28, 29,30 32, 36,& 46 in the Ford line up. Now (9 yrs to present) a 28 Nash Cabrilot still resides in our stable. Un-finished but, waiting on me & the bride patiently (@@)! Restoration of Auto's and old machine is my passion also. Take a tour through our shop when you have time. YT brings the world together :)> Like your content, will be a long time subscriber,,Bear in TX.
Wow, that's an impressive car history - 28 Nash looks pretty dope, too!
Best of luck with the Klopp - if the pre-owner didn't forget to top the ram oil reservoir off, you should be good. They are swimming in oil and built like a tank :)
Having same problem needed to order intake & e haust manifold for my 1930 coupe because my new exhaust manifold was 1/16th to high
Awesome video. Those glands i bet are the reason for the leak. In the future if you ever want a project I would make them one piece from stainless. As for the manifold being a reproduction, it is quite possible. But it is equally possible the exhaust manifold is stock.
I'm pretty sure about that, too. When I tightened the manifold bolts the very first time around, I felt the torque gradually coming up and needing quite a bit of re-torquing after the first drive.
Tells me that I was not actually tightening the manifold against the gasket but deforming the gland ring - which lost its tention after one heat cycle.
For now, I hope I won't have to take that manifold off for a long time, but when I do, stainless sounds like a great suggestion!
In my opinion, the manifold looks too pristine to have lived through 90 years of hot and cold - it is completely corrosion-free!
I had to machine a jeep exhaust manifold once. From the center out, there was
.030" or .75mm warp. You got lucky with that manifold.
Wow, that sounds like fun -
Was there any manifold left after you were done? xD
@@AstraWerke there was probably another 1mm to work with. Jeep 6cyl engines are pretty robust, if not overbuilt. I think it came from a '90s Grand Cherokee. It came into the shop from a mechanic down the road.
@@JBSlickflyer Same for the Model A. That engine is built so robust, it could probably take twice the horsepower without shortening the lifespan any.
Your videos are always great. Wish you lived next door so I could pick your brain. I have the same ‘30 coupe, except with rumble seat. Music is always tasteful and just right amount of dialogue. Do not change format.
Peace,
Rivhard
Thanks alot - I'll stay with my way of making videos, no worries :D
Super Arbeit - RESPEKT. Ich würde Deine Werkstatt ja auch nehmen :-) Die Drehmaschine ist GEIL. Wenn Du die Krümmer das nächste Mal abmontierst, lasse die Gland-Rings weg. Ich fahre seit Jahren ohne den Dreck. Wenn die Originalen mal verformt waren, werden die immer weicher.... Die Repro-Gland-Rings werden sich im ersten Betrieb schon so verformen, dass sie während der Fahrt in den Auspuff fallen und da herum-klötern. Hast Du die modernen Motorlager eingebaut? wie sehen die vorderen Lagerungen aus? LG und einen schönen Abend
Great job. One comment. Please consider wearing eye protection when around machinery. It only takes a microsecond for a flying chip to damage an eye for a lifetime. Keep posting when you can. Los Angeles USA here with 3 Model A's.
It's funny, I do wear glasses when working on the grinder and the lathe - don't ask me why I haven't thought of doing that on the shaper. Only takes a microsecond to put glasses on, too, after all.
Occasionally comments are ok love the country side. Model T runs well, nice job to the manifold.
Alright, but be careful: This is the Model A, which is the successor to the Model T :D
This video was incredible! I have an exhaust leak problem right now and this was extremely instructive. On the insert in between the manifold and the muffler pipe at the clamp are you using a piece of pipe that is straight or does it truncate or taper down in size. I think mine needs to be straight at 1&3/4 inches. Thanks ! Subscribed! Keep up the great content
Thanks alot - and I'm glad I could help.
The pipe has two different diameters - I didn't take any measurements, but they are obtainable from Model A parts suppliers - they're called "Exhaust Connector sleeve".
Thank you for the subscription - my channel does not focus singularily on the Model A, so don't be irritated about some niche parts manufacturing, old tech repair and so on - the Model A is a regular guest on the channel :)
die fensterbank als messplatte is bischen gewagt aber insgesamt ziemlich gut gemacht :D
Hat geklappt xD
The car suits you. It is a bit noisy dough, if it had a radio, you wouldn't be able to hear the jazz music.
Trust me, you have enough to do whilst driving. You don't miss the lack of music. xD
Nice video.
Superb. As always. Country and comments for be please 😊
Noted :)
I'm restoring an Atlas 7B Shaper and have 3 of those videos uploaded. I found you while looking for shaper videos and really love how you put yours together. Great videos. And I try to check comments so as not to ask questions that have already been answered. But I love how your sped up videos look like a "strobe" effect. Like is regular motion while in fast motion. May I ask how you do that? I would love to have the same look on mine. Thank you for great content.....
Thank alot!
I'm making use of the so-called "waggon wheel effect". Since a video is basically just a set of pictures played in quick succession, if you take a picture every time the running machine is in the same spot and play it back, it looks like the machine is standing still, despite actually moving.
In my case, this can be done very easily in 2nd speed with a timelapse factor of 25.
If you use an editing software, you can try out manually what works best for you. You can also end up with all sorts of funny effects... The ram moving forwards and backwards at the same time, for example.
@@AstraWerke Thank you so much for the info! I do use Premiere Pro for editing and will try that. Also, I hope to try to film it for that. Thank you again.....
A city road pov would be very nice
Yip, I've noted it down :)
Paul Shinn Model A Ford CZcams vids.shows this job and using versus not using exhaust inserts with the gasket.(Gland Rings) I see you have them.
I'll be honest: I don't think they have much to say against the warping forces of a hot manifold.
Just like a sidewalk that splits under the slow but constant force of tree roots.
But installing them makes your brain happy.
Paul Shinn puts on a flashy presentation. His advice sometimes leaves one wondering. He has many followers, but the old school guys in online forums dont always align with Paul's views.
@@g.a.c.4139 That's because I rub them the wrong way for some weird reason.
From a UK viewpoint, the right turn at the roundabout was TERRIFYING!
(If you want to feel my fear, just left-right mirror the video and watch)
More seriously - you *need* a proper surface plate. Just buy a cheap Chinese granite one, 12" x 18" (300mm x 500mm), which gives a 24" (550mm) diagonal.
This is big and accurate enough for most things (unless you're going for Tom Lipton/Rob Renzetti/Stefan Gotteswinter style)
You can also use it to check (improve) a cheap straight edge :-)
To be honest, I've really grown attached to the window sill - people always ask "what setup did you use to get the steam engine aligned so well" - and their eyes almost pop out when I show them xD
My shop teacher told me to work as precise as NECESSARY, not as POSSIBLE - and it's a bit more exciting to choose the jury-rig path :D
occational comments and country roads 😀
I guess that leak was kinda exhausting.
German: Da haste dich über das auspuffloch .. manigfoldig ... ausgelassen.
That wordjoke was pulled bei the hair herbei.
Ok da musste ich kurz kichern xD
Deine Theorie kann ich bestätigen...wenn ein gussteil einmal alle Temperaturen gesehen hat und dann geplant wird....bleibt die Fläche danach eigentlich immer plan...
Hat bis jetzt auch prima gehalten :)
Has your manifold been free of leaks since you surfaced it?
It is not without pride that I can state: Yes, it has and is sealed tight!
@@AstraWerke 🎉
Baujahr und Erstzulassung 1930? Was hat der deutsche TÜV dazu gesagt? „1935“?
Das Wölfchen
Gab keine Schwierigkeiten bei der Zulassung
@@AstraWerke
Finde ich super. Dankeschön ❤️
Wie ist eigentlich die Community des Ford Model A denn so. Kann man sich gut gegenseitig unter die Arme greifen? Und brauche ich solche Geräte wie Du, um den Wagen instandzuhalten?
By the way: Hat Dein Auto einen Namen?
Das Wölfchen
@@c-417 Ich kann natürlich nicht für Alle sprechen, da ich auch nur eine Handvoll aus der IG näher kenne, aber die sind alle nett und hilfsbereit.
Was man zur Instandhaltung braucht, kommt auf den eigenen Geldbeutel an - in Berlin und Frohburg gibt es Werkstätten, die sich auf Model A spezialisiert haben, da kann auch der mechanisch unbewanderte seinen Wagen reparieren lassen.
Je weniger man bereit ist, auszugeben, und je höher die eigenen Ansprüche sind (viele Ersatzteile kommen leider nicht an die ursprüngliche Qualität heran), desto mehr sollte man in der Werkzeugkiste haben.
Oder man fährt sowieso nicht viel und kann darüber hinweg sehen, wenn die Bremsen quietschen und es im Innenraum nach Abgas mieft, da ist jeder anders.
Ich hab meinen Wagen Hannah getauft, frag mich aber nicht, wieso ;)
@@AstraWerke Huch? So ausführlich! Ich danke Dir!
Überlegen tu ich es, da dies ein Oldtimer ist, der schon zu meiner Kindheit ein Oldtimer war.
Können kann ich nicht viel. Ein bisschen Learning by doing vielleicht? Ansonsten, eventuell kein Alltagsgefährt. Mal schauen.
Hannah ist süß.❤️
Das Wölfchen
@@c-417 Man sollte ein bisschen mechanisches Verständnis haben - komplizierter als Schrauben und Muttern wird's an der Kiste eigentlich nicht.
Vorher habe ich auch nicht mehr als Reifenwechsel gemacht, den Rest habe ich durch stunden- tage- und jahrelanges CZcamsn gelernt, und es gibt haufenweise Bücher über den Aufbau, die Eigenheiten und Schwachstellen am Wagen.
Alltag kann ich definitiv nicht empfehlen, wenn man nicht absolut durchgeknallt ist, ich hatte schon mit 50/50 Schrauben/Fahren gerechnet, aber bis jetzt war es eher 70/30.