The UK Motorcycle Camping Injustice!!
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- On a glorious ride from Ingleton to Hawes via Sedbergh I discuss the reasons we cannot wild camp as bikers here in the UK. It's an age old crime for which we are still suffering
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Thanks for the nice words Dave, very much appreciated, especially being compared to the Motorcycle Travel Channel, Stirling sets a high bar for us all to aspire to!
He sure does Pal 😎👍🏻
There was a comment by the late/ former Duke of Westminster, which basically put his riches down to being a relative of one of William (or should that be Guillame) of Normandy's mates/ henchmen........
Nearly 1,000 years later, and we still haven't moved on.
Ive said this many times about your videos, you are so lucky to live where you do. Absolutely stunning roads and scenery.
Thank you Dave. I’m laying here, day 3 after a hip replacement, and I get to ride into the Yorkshire Dales with you. What a blessing.
Speedy recovery buddy 👍🏻
One of my very favourite rides. I think that your camera - whilst having a good try doesn’t quite do it justice. The road from Hawes to Settle is another stunner. Keep up the good work. 👍👍
Being an ex policeman you will know that you can overtake on double white lines so long as you don't touch them or cross them. Now thats impossible in a car but not if you've got a bike, it depends how wide the lane is, if it's possible then it's perfectly legal.
All the bikes we saw crossed the lines and by some distance too….
Talking about double white lines,
I remember several years ago was stuck in standing traffic going to the Mildenhall air show.
Wife on The back.
Road we were on had bends so that's why the double white lines.
As we sat there waiting for the traffic to move.
A Police motorcyclist pulled up beside me,
He lifted his visor and immediately said to me why are you sitting here waiting in traffic you're on a motorbike.
I said well there's double lines.
He said as long as you are very careful there is nothing stopping you passing the stationary traffic, I replied OK thanks and off he went.
So we carefully started filtering and passing the traffic a pulled in gaps when the on coming traffic approached.
And that's the difference between an actual dibble and some jealous motorist with a dashcam. I'm being prosecuted for crossing a solid white line whilst filtering in stationary road works.
When I was doing my advanced training, I was told that if you happen to get the wrong po-po, they can do you even if its just your bars that are over the line 🤔
@@AnnieRed66
Who did you do your advanced training with.
If was the police then they tell people different information.
This was a motorcycle traffic cop who told me so you make your own mind up.
We are talking about stationary traffic here not over taking moving traffic on double white lines.
@Paul-pb3vq I went with IAM...and the guy was ex po-po. Having said that, seeing some of the recent events in this country, I don't think many of them actually know the law! 🙄
Thanks Dave. That space music in the last chapter is just the same sound in my headspace when biking in the countryside. 😂
Another lovely ride. Yes Scotland is slightly different in that you can camp on any unenclosed land with certain caveats. Technically you should arrive on foot or water, don't leave rubbish etc. There are restrictions in areas where there is high demand due to adverse impact on nature. Realistically nobody will bother you if you arrive by vehicle so unfortunately, with the increase in motor homes, it's becoming a problem and so more restrictions are coming in. This is mostly due to people not abiding to the "leave no trace" requirement of the Land Reform Act 2003 which came into force 2005.
William the Conqueror rules that all land belongs to the Crown, and parcels it out to barons and the Church, while keeping an estate for the monarchy. Twenty years later, the Domesday Book forms the first record of land ownership in England, and the only one for the next 800 years. Then, a series of United Kingdom Acts of Parliament enclosed open fields and common land in the country, creating legal property rights to land that was previously considered common. Between 1604 and 1914, over 5,200 individual acts were put into place, enclosing 6.8 million acres.
I think If I were Bill, I would keep it all for myself, as It's beautiful! Thanks for your infomative rides.
Thanks for the great ride out and the reminder about the 'Robber Barons'. Years ago we walked the Howgill Fells. It was a steep climb much of the time but a beautiful place indeed,
Another cracking ride out, I have a real soft spot for Hawes. I do totally agree with your assesment of Classic Rides channel and have been a subscriber for a while now and find the content very relaxing and beautifully shot and one day I will buy one or two of his vintage style luggage for my classic 350.
I choose to live my life by ignoring the nonsense I disagree with - this is within reason, camping being one of these things, leave no trace/rubbish and cause no harm and if a tree falls and nobody sees it, well you know the rest 🙂
Another great video. Didn't realize so much of the land was still owned by the 👑 and his mates. In Texas about 95% of the land is privately owned. The rest is owned by the state or federal government and managed by their agencies. The western states like Arizona, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, have an abundance of public land which is also managed by state or fed agencies. Thankfully much of it is open to travel and wild camping as long as leave no trace rules are followed.
Nice ride out again, Dave. William the Conqueror was following established practice. Invading armies both before and since have done the same thing; it's also how great chunks of the British Empire were acquired, too.
Morning Dave nice ride out it made me chuckle when you mentioned your man bag at a “camp” angle 😂 it must be a “Larry Grayson” ride I can see “Everide” in front of you 😂😂 carry on that man Caio for now tat ta 👍🏻
I now live in South Derbyshire, having moved from Lancashire, so it's lovely to Devil's Bridge and the surrounding area...haven’t been there for years.
Rode from Grassington over to Hawes and onto the Buttertubs and Richmond on Tuesday. Wonderful!
A lot of land is owned either by the royal family or the church. It keeps us surfs in our place don’t ya know.
Yes I know my place 💩😂
They’re planning all these 15 minute cities (ghettos) for us, so who needs the countryside or personal transport, of course it’s for NetZero, and ultimately ‘our safety’. Can you feel the love they have for us?
A lot of the aristocratic types got their big houses burnt from under them in 1920's Ireland. After irish independence, the new Irish Dail Eirann (parliment) passed legislation to seize big estates, and hand the land over to small farmers who were usually the previous tenants. Worth reminding the gentry that the hoi polloi in England can be just as bolshey if they're pushed too far.
...I want to say.....Oops! This isn't a "political" channel !
Although Dave's twittering are exempt 😂
Nice video, I have been to Devils Bridge numerous times, but not taken that route to Hawes !
The Guzzi is an interesting bike, but to be honest I would be more interested with the reviews on the NC your friend was on.
Thanks for the heads up on classic rides it does look lovely, but for when one needs a soothing ASMR type of experience, not a pre work wake up one. I personally like Your own style of talking fluent "Bollocks." It's both erudite and entertaining. The lock down's showed us all how little of this land we actually have access to. "Changing yet changeless as canal water, Feudal still."
In the last few days, I had my Guzzi V7 Special Edition out in NW British Columbia... 350 - 450 km day trips.... bike running great and loving all the rattles, clunks, and whines these bikes have! Pleased you feel the same... there is something "gutteral"! It's a generally VERY basic bike but delivers bucketfulls of fun!
Keep riding her through the Dales... a perfect bike (almost)
PS... No side bags, but I added a Givi rear rack and attached a small Fly Tail bag with ROK straps.... seems to keep the line of the bike looking good. I didn't want big side bags on this bike. My T120 has canvas side bags that look ok (sometimes)
Never had or used a manbag etc😂
I remember as a child in the fifties and sixties the travelling fair used to pitch up on “common land “ near some crossroads . Unfortunately that has now disappeared and is part of field and new crossroads .
Good Morning Dave , What a beautiful ride out today , at least it stayed dry for you two , Take care & Ride safe
Cheers Steve ride safe pal
Those lazy scenic roads would be fun on just about any bike but I bet you are really enjoying them on the V7. I wish I could test drive one but the dealers in Canada don't let you do that. Those are the sort of roads that my W800 would really enjoy.
PS: Just subscribed this morning. I don't subscribe as a rule but there are a few channels, like yours, that I feel are worthy.
BJ
Thank you so much for subscribing Bob I really appreciate it
Well Dave your sort of twaddle you talk suits me n meks me smile, now then you leave them man bags alone, I ride my hunter around there where tha has just bin, wi mi lil’ flask o coffee, n mi buttered scone, talking about land owners thi mate Charlie boy owns a lot of that land around Lancashire where thou has just bin, Duchy o Lancaster, I was out round there on Saturday just coming tother way from Hawes, great ride love the rubbish you talk but I believe it, thanks Dave waiting for next un
And the land that they have been given . Some turn into camp site's and profit from their ENTITLED land .. stinks eh.. lovely video.. i think about travelling europe but when we have roads like these.. why
While land ownership maybe messed up there, the countryside is beautiful! Thanks!
Having _local knowledge,_ you can miss large parts of the A65 from Settle to Devil's Bridge. Yes, it's much slower but, IMO, more enjoyable. I was up that way in early June (cold and wet, pah!)
In France "William The Conqueror" has another name: _Guillaume le Batard_ which seems rather apt...
Peaceful
Without laws to prevent wild camping, how would we stop someone camping on our front gardens. P.S . Thought provoking video with very interesting views of the sky and clouds.
Your gardens are private….wild camping should be possible on common land there just isn’t any
I also think that the travelling community have been responsible for the disappearance of common land , bit controversial but the old traditional travellers had more respect for this type of land and respected and looked after it.
Mate you have a little bit of it right. Look at Paul Whitewick. About land ownership you will be shocked. Great country owned by who.
Lovely ride out again weather wasn’t so nice as the ride went looked a bit cold on film but still beautiful countryside that guzzi just purrs along doesn’t it with the clank of every gear take care
Spoils of War.
How do you think the people who had the land before William acquired the land?
Nobody “had it”
The idea that Anglo Saxon ,pre Norman England was some kind of big commune with people owning the land is crap.
It was only change of masters
And if the Normans brought in the feudal system they also ended slavery, which still existed in what would become Scotland for some years ahead.
As to wild camping in Scotland ,the law is restricted to walkers or possibly horse riders. Vans ,Bikes etc are not allowed to camp anywhere they want.
You cannot camp anywhere you want in the States and neither does the US have our huge network of rights of way.
If there are designated wild camps and tracks in the US that is by arrangement and the US being huge.
There is no land in the US that is not owned by someone... go ask the Sioux.
Fudge milkshake and a bit of a beef sandwich 😂😂😂😂😂
Wild camping rules in the UK vary by location and can include:
Permission: In England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, you generally need permission from the landowner to wild camp. However, you can wild camp on Dartmoor for up to two nights in a row if you're more than 100 meters from public roads and not in a restricted area.
Location: In Scotland, wild camping is allowed in most areas, but there are restrictions near Loch Lomond and on enclosed land.
Codes of conduct: There are codes of conduct to follow when wild camping, even if you have permission from the landowner.
Litter: Leave no litter.
Fires: Don't light any fires.
Light: Keep the light down and avoid flashing your torch around.
Location near water: Camp near natural water so you don't have to carry drinking and cooking water, but boil it before drinking.
Avoid perfumes and deodorants: These can attract animals and insects, and contaminate water sources.
Avoid excess toiletries: Many toiletries contain scented chemicals.
Glass: Use camp-friendly products.
Landowners or their representatives can order you to break camp and move on. If caught wild camping without permission, you may face legal consequences, such as fines or eviction.
A camp angle 😂😂😂
Too long for me. Honestly, if it was 15 minutes I'd have watched.
Are you allowed to say " camp " nowadays ?
Certainly