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Seeker: Bhagavan, Most of the people here who know you, and Amma, revere you as an Avatar. Could you explain, for someone who has not heard that word, what is an avatar? Thank you Bhagavan.
Sri Bhagavan:
The word Avatar need not necessarily be used for spiritual people. It could be used for anybody who has got some specific work to do on the planet. Like we have a man called Ramanujan who is called a mathematics Avatar. Now this gentleman whenever a question was posed to him, he would pass on the question to what we call the Antaryamin or the Indweller. And the answer would come from there and he lived for a very short time and he gave a lot of breakthroughs in mathematics. So similarly, if you give some breakthroughs in music, we would call you a music Avatar. And the same thing happens to science or to dance or anything. So anybody with a specific purpose who has come down for a specific purpose, we call him an Avatar. So when I began this work, people began to say. He is putting us in altered states of consciousness, and he is an Avatar who has come for that. So it is people who call me an Avatar.
Seeker: Bhagavan, when did you first know that you were an avatar? Were you born realizing right away, or did you come to the recognition that you were somehow different from other people later on?
Sri Bhagavan:
For me this thing has continued from a childhood. So my mother who is from a village, she was a very innocent women. In the Indian tradition, they believe that it is possible to invite God to come in as your child. So she was thirteen years old when she got married. So she used to go to a temple and worship and saying, "You must be born to me as my child". And she got this Antaryamin or Indweller of Lord Krishna, and he came as a baby into her. And she was feeling that he is the one who is going to be born to her and when she gave birth, the Antaryamin disappeared for her. And she thought now that the child is born and the Antaryamin has disappeared. So that was her feelings when I was in the womb and maybe that influence me, I do not know. But from the days I could remember, I could feel that, people around were not experiencing what I was experiencing. So I was wondering how am I to give it to them, then I realized it has to be actually transferred to them. So this work began ever since I was a child, but I could really do it only sometime on 1989.
Seeker: Bhagavan, You said that you realized other people were experiencing something different than you were experiencing. How would you describe the difference?
Sri Bhagavan:
I was watching the way they were behaving and they were responding, so I was wondering why is it they are behaving like this. And now I have this ability to experience what other people are experiencing, so I decided to experience what they are experiencing. Then I found that they are experience the world very differently from the way I was experiencing. So it is that I decided: No, I have to make them experience that I am experiencing. And thus began this work.
Seeker: Bhagavan, What is the way that you experience the world?
Sri Bhagavan:
When I experience the world, when I listen to some sound, I find that I'm not interpreting it. When I look at something, again there is no interpretation going on, and there is nobody who is hearing, or nobody who is seeing. There is nobody there that is just the experience of the seeing, the hearing, the thinking. While I found in the case of the others, they had this feeling that somebody was there doing these things. So then I decided, No, something has to be done here, they should exactly experience the way I was experiencing. Because when I was experiencing, I was getting joy while I found they are getting no joy at all. So I decided that the idea of somebody being there has to go. That is how it all began.
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Seeker: Bhagavan, Most of the people here who know you, and Amma, revere you as an Avatar. Could you explain, for someone who has not heard that word, what is an avatar? Thank you Bhagavan.
Sri Bhagavan:
The word Avatar need not necessarily be used for spiritual people. It could be used for anybody who has got some specific work to do on the planet. Like we have a man called Ramanujan who is called a mathematics Avatar. Now this gentleman whenever a question was posed to him, he would pass on the question to what we call the Antaryamin or the Indweller. And the answer would come from there and he lived for a very short time and he gave a lot of breakthroughs in mathematics. So similarly, if you give some breakthroughs in music, we would call you a music Avatar. And the same thing happens to science or to dance or anything. So anybody with a specific purpose who has come down for a specific purpose, we call him an Avatar. So when I began this work, people began to say. He is putting us in altered states of consciousness, and he is an Avatar who has come for that. So it is people who call me an Avatar.
Seeker: Bhagavan, when did you first know that you were an avatar? Were you born realizing right away, or did you come to the recognition that you were somehow different from other people later on?
Sri Bhagavan:
For me this thing has continued from a childhood. So my mother who is from a village, she was a very innocent women. In the Indian tradition, they believe that it is possible to invite God to come in as your child. So she was thirteen years old when she got married. So she used to go to a temple and worship and saying, "You must be born to me as my child". And she got this Antaryamin or Indweller of Lord Krishna, and he came as a baby into her. And she was feeling that he is the one who is going to be born to her and when she gave birth, the Antaryamin disappeared for her. And she thought now that the child is born and the Antaryamin has disappeared. So that was her feelings when I was in the womb and maybe that influence me, I do not know. But from the days I could remember, I could feel that, people around were not experiencing what I was experiencing. So I was wondering how am I to give it to them, then I realized it has to be actually transferred to them. So this work began ever since I was a child, but I could really do it only sometime on 1989.
Seeker: Bhagavan, You said that you realized other people were experiencing something different than you were experiencing. How would you describe the difference?
Sri Bhagavan:
I was watching the way they were behaving and they were responding, so I was wondering why is it they are behaving like this. And now I have this ability to experience what other people are experiencing, so I decided to experience what they are experiencing. Then I found that they are experience the world very differently from the way I was experiencing. So it is that I decided: No, I have to make them experience that I am experiencing. And thus began this work.
Seeker: Bhagavan, What is the way that you experience the world?
Sri Bhagavan:
When I experience the world, when I listen to some sound, I find that I'm not interpreting it. When I look at something, again there is no interpretation going on, and there is nobody who is hearing, or nobody who is seeing. There is nobody there that is just the experience of the seeing, the hearing, the thinking. While I found in the case of the others, they had this feeling that somebody was there doing these things. So then I decided, No, something has to be done here, they should exactly experience the way I was experiencing. Because when I was experiencing, I was getting joy while I found they are getting no joy at all. So I decided that the idea of somebody being there has to go. That is how it all began.
Seeker:
Bhagavan, For many of us, we either were born with or we quickly develop this sense of separation. And then it begins a seeking, a searching. And we go into different practices and meditations and things. And then, if we are very lucky, we fall into some way that the sense of self begins to dissolve, maybe finally is liberated, and then that's called Enlightenment. Did that process also happen for you, or did that never occur in your case?
Sri Bhagavan:
Oh, that never happened to me. That was why I often had to experience others to know, how it was that they were relating to the world. So I never went through any process of Enlightenment, because it was there all the time from the beginning. There is only a question by trying to understand what others were experiencing. It was the other way around.
Seeker: Bhagavan, as a child, when you were more interested in spiritual things, when you were going into spiritual states and performing spiritual practices, even from an early age, what was the attitude of your parents?
Sri Bhagavan:
My father was an atheist and he was a no-nonsense person. I was most of the time alone by myself. So he was a little disturbed about it and he used to ask me "What do you propose to do with your life?" I said "I'm going to transform the world".
Seeker: Bhagavan, Even from young age you knew this, from what age, Bhagavan, did you know?
Sri Bhagavan:
That could have been probably 6 or 7. So my father used to ask me "What do you think you are?" I used to tell him "I'm God". And that put real fear into him. So the family got together and they were thinking whether they should show me to a psychiatrist, maybe I was suffering from a Messiah complex or some such thing. But then they found that I was quite ordinary otherwise. There was no trouble being caused. I was good academics, was doing my work and was causing no trouble to others. And some friends advised "Don't take him to psychiatrist, that could lead to other kinds of problems". So he put up with this for many many years, this was going on and on. So I was 10, I was 13, I was 15, I was 18, the same story has being repeated. He used to ask me, "What do you propose to do?" The same answer would come out and "Who do you think you are?" "I am God." He said "This is really too much." Then he thought maybe marriage could be the best solution to this. So he said "You have to get married." I said "That's fine." And the marriage happened and the same thing continued.
Seeker: That was much later when you were 28, wasn't it？
Sri Bhagavan:
Yes, and the same story that "I'm God." And worse still, my wife thinks that she is God's wife. So he couldn't take in all this with his strong atheistic background. So finally he told me one day "Well, if it is all true, convince me that you are God, give me the experiences." I said "I would do that." and gave him a lot of experiences. He was very convinced and so happy and said "I don't think I need to live any longer." And then a few months later, he passed away out of sheer happiness.
Seeker: Out of sheer happiness, he died of happiness.
Sri Bhagavan: Yes
Seeker: Bhagavan, what education did you pass through?
Sri Bhagavan:
I did my graduation in mathematics and most of my education was in Christian institutions. To be more specific it was at Don Bosco school in Chennai. So that was where, I was mostly educated by Jesuit priests. So I have a very good understanding of Christianity.
Seeker: Bhagavan, since you were involved so much in these spiritual activities you were describing, how did the studies go for you? Was it, was it a struggle? Was it easy?
Sri Bhagavan:
Actually I could not pay attention in school, because this activity was going on inside me, like the chanting of certain mantras, as another things were going on. But somehow when the exams came, I could handle the exams, and I used to do fairly well in the exams.
Seeker: Bhagavan, you were mentioning about these mantras that were coming inside of you and also different postures that you were going into. Now, normally people involve themselves in these kind of practices for their own spiritual evolution, but I think for you it must have been somehow a little different, because you said that you never knew, non-Enlightenment. So what was for you? Do you know what was the purpose of these things?
Sri Bhagavan:
I really did not know what is the purpose of this because there was no intent behind my doing this. As I told you earlier, I was made to do these things, we could postulate something like a higher energy or a higher power which made me do these things. What for, I had no idea at that time. Now the mantra I was chanting, I had no idea because it was not conforming to the Sanskrit words, there is something wrong about it but still I was only made to chant those words so I was made to go through all this for what, I never knew at that time till the phenomenon broke loose.
Seeker: And once the phenomenon broke loose, did you then understand what this?
Sri Bhagavan:
Then I understand all that earlier happened In fact it helped me a lot.
Seeker: I see. And when you look back now on those mantras and postures, how do you understand them now as you look back.
Sri Bhagavan:
I understand that they were a preparing for this Deeksha for the transmission of these energies. That was the preparation, but without my knowledge.
Seeker: So that which was causing these things to happen, was that something other than you, or was it from within you? and once the phenomenon broke loose, did you then understand what this?
Sri Bhagavan:
At that point of time, it appeared to me as thought that was something other than me. but now to me it looks as though that also is me.
Seeker: Yes, I see
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Seeker: Bhagavan, And how is everything unfolded since then because even when you came back into public life, I think it was towards the end of the 1990, but there is still been a tremendous explosion of your work since then, how has this happened?
Sri Bhagavan:
Most of the work has been done by these Acharies and Dasas. While I did not meet the Dasas for the first five years, these Acharies used to come home and meet me and they would discuss their problems and they would seek guidance from me. And I would provide that. So my stand was that I supplied the spiritual power and they would be the ones who'd be applying it outside. So we used to discuss those matters. So the actual work was done by the Acharies initially and then they were joined by the Dasas.
Seeker: Bhagavan, I know that Amma is revered in India as a tremendous saint, not only as the wife of God, but actually as also as God. I understand she had quite a devotional following even before you got married. Can you say a little bit more about the power that comes through Amma?
Sri Bhagavan:
We exhibit different kinds of powers. Somebody comes to me with the problem, my attitude would be "Ah, now, I caught him now". So I will do all my best to make him Enlightened. And Amma's approach is more like that of a mother. Her argument with me is "Don't waste your time trying to give him Enlightenment. Let's help him out first. The poor man is struggling. This is not the time for you to talk about Enlightenment." So we do have such differences. So in fact what happened that many years ago, Amma's picture had got to the hands of a few people and miracles were happening. And these people did not even know that she was married, so they were worshiping her in certain parts of northern India. And then when somebody told them that she was married, they became furious, they said "How is it possible?" And then finally they had to be told, “Yes, there is a person called Bhagavan who is her husband.” So she was functioning independently and so the whole thing is, hers is more a mother's love, but when both of us combine, it is very very effective.
Seeker: Bhagavan, You said sometimes that you have differences, is there sometimes a devotee who has a problem and you want to take him into Enlightenment, and she wants to give him what he wants. Do you sometimes have a quarrel about that? which way to go?
Sri Bhagavan: There is a quarrel, yes.
Seeker: Yes? This must be very good, can we film this, Bhagavan?
Sri Bhagavan:
Yes, Somebody could be having a financial problem. So I would say, let it be in that condition in next 6 months, might be he will come to senses, we could make him Enlightened. Amma would say that is too much. So while we would be arguing, Amma might suddenly blessing him and the person escapes.
Seeker: I see. So she usually wins the argument
Sri Bhagavan:
Yes, so in that case, I just go along with her. And sometimes I act faster than her and she goes along with me. But there are real differences
Seeker: So who wins most of the time？
Sri Bhagavan: Most of the time, it's Amma who is winning, because Amma is actually quicker.
Seeker: I see. It's the same in my house too.
Sri Bhagavan: I see.
Seeker: Bhagavan, Is the relationship different with Amma or Krishna that it is with other people?
Sri Bhagavan: For me there is no difference at all. It's the same thing. But for Krishna is not so. So he would often demand "You had to be a father to me."
Seeker: and how is it for you to be a father?
Sri Bhagavan: Well, I do sometimes respond and he said "Put on an act" and he knows that I am putting on an act.
Seeker: So what sort of act do you put on?
Sri Bhagavan: Well, I would make some inquires like a father would do.
Seeker: I see.
Sri Bhagavan: and then he feels satisfied.
Seeker: Ask him how he is doing?
Sri Bhagavan: Yes. he has got used to it now, of course.
Seeker: Bhagavan, I was curious also to ask you about, because you were married with Amma. And do you sometimes have time when it is just you and Amma, and you are not being in the role of avatars.
Sri Bhagavan:
We don't have a personal life, like we do not discuss personal matters like a normal couple does. Ours is only public life. We only think about the devotees, the movement, the Dasas and what should we do. It is only that kind of talk. There is nothing personal, because there is no personal life, there is no person there inside to have a personal dialogue. It is absent.
Seeker: So you don't just have an evening where you watch TV and eat popcorn like we do.
Sri Bhagavan:
No. In fact Amma never watches TV except very rarely. I at least watch news to see what is going on in the world.
Seeker: Bhagavan, How is it for you when you watch the news and you see what is happening. Just now we have a big problem still in Iraq, problems between Israel and Lebanon. How is it when you see these things and people dying?
Sri Bhagavan:
When very violent scenes or warlike scenes are shown, that is a bit difficult to watch, because very often it's possible to experience the pain of the person being shown on TV. So generally I would then simply switch off the TV. It's becoming too much.
Seeker: Yes, so you feel the pain of the other people, like it as though it's your own pain.
Sri Bhagavan:
Yes, it affects you. It affects the body itself. So such cases, it has to be switched off. At a higher levels of consciousness, you cannot say the other and yourself. The dividing line vanishes. And suppose you kick a dog out there, you could feel the pain in your stomach here. It becomes like that. So that is what happens to the Dasas also.
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Seeker: Bhagavan, you said as a child and and growing up also, that you felt you had the experience, I am God, and at the same time, you had the experience that some higher power was commanding you. So this sound a little bit different thing. Can you explain that?
Sri Bhagavan:
Yes, when I used to go to temples, I used to sometimes feel that I was inside idol and watching out. So that I had this feeling that I must be God because I seem to be inside idol and not outside. And yet being a small boy, there were times when I wanted to play out, go and meet the other children. The desires used to come, but I found I was being held back. I was not being allowed to play. I was being made to do these things. So I began to attribute it to a higher power which is over powering me, because I wanted to play, but could not. This thing would stop me and say "No, sit here like this", "do this and do that", so I was thinking of that is a higher power. But as the years rolled by and the phenomenon has took its birth, I could see it is part of me doing that. It became one.
Seeker Question: Bhagavan, and when did you meet Sri Amma? Thank you Bhagavan.
Sri Bhagavan:
Well, it so happened that there came a point of time when my parents decided I must get married. And since I always believe in making parents happy, I said "Okay, go ahead." And in India we had this tradition of parents selecting the bride or the bridegroom, making them meet and talk. So it so happened that some family friends made us meet, and the moment I saw her, I knew that she was to be my soulmate. And she also felt the same way. And she had all the years been praying that she must marry God. So somehow she felt this was the man she should marry, and there was no second thought, and then we got married.
Seeker: Bhagavan, What about for Amma? Did she pass through a process of having self and becoming Enlightened or was it like for you?
Sri Bhagavan:
In Amma's case also, the obsession was just wanting to get married to God, because this kind of thing does exist in India. And then being the case, she was very different from other women. So in a sense, we can say she also was in a different state of consciousness, not the normal state of consciousness. Because her only obsession was with God. She used to get up very early in the mornings go to the river banks, do prayers, do the rituals. She was doing nothing else but that. While children of her age were trying to become doctors and engineers. She wasn't doing all that. She was only focused on getting married to God, and her rituals and prayers. It has now become a sort of tradition at that village now to do some rituals which she performed in order to get a good husband.
Seeker: Bhagavan, when after you were married, did you right away, start the school, or or did you have some other life?
Sri Bhagavan:
No, when I got married, I was working with the public sector organization. And after I got married, I resigned the job, I started the school. I was waiting for her to come into my life to start the school.
But once this phenomenon broke out, the school became so famous, that it nearly became impossible to run the school anymore. And we had to focus on our spiritual work, so we shut down the school. And now we help other schools do this kind of work.
Seeker: Bhagavan, what happened next? Was that when the Dasas began at that time?
Sri Bhagavan:
What happened the school closed down as an academic institution and it became an Ashram for spiritual work and the Dasas emerged.
Seeker: Bhagavan, Perhaps you could explain what is the meaning of the word Dasa for someone who is not knowing this？
Sri Bhagavan:
The Indian tradition, anyone dedicating himself for spiritual work is very often called a Dasa. So some children decided to stay back, they didn't go back home, they wanted to stay on with the school. So these children are called the Acharies, and complete freedom was given to them, to go around to spread the work, and to recruit people for the work. These became models and seeing them people were inspired to become like them. They came and joined the movement. And these Acharies trained those people and called them the Dasas. So ever since it has been an independent body of people, they make their rules, they manage their affairs and they do everything about themselves by themselves. I and Amma, we have nothing to do with it.
Seeker: Bhagavan, I understand that there was some years in the 1990s, when the Dasas were traveling in India and teaching, and you were very much away from the world, and people did not see you.
Sri Bhagavan:
Yes, after the school was closed and the order was established, we went away to live in the city.
Seeker: Oh, you did. Not you were not living in Jeevashram.
Sri Bhagavan:
No, we went away to lead our own quiet life. And occasionally these people would come and meet us and we would give them some advice and suggestions. That was all.
Seeker: Bhagavan, how are you spending your day when living in Chennai?
Sri Bhagavan:
Well, I used to go for a walks on the beach and spend time talking with Amma or with Krishna, that was all. And these people would go and do the work. So once in a month or so, I think they used to come. They used to give me a report as to how things are going. I was just leading my own quiet life. I was not meeting the public or anybody. I prefer to go for my evening walks, spent time by the beach and I had a good time.
Seeker: What was the reason for that phase, Bhagavan?
Sri Bhagavan:
I always felt that there was no need for me to come into public life that I could. Because I'm a married person and I thought I could quietly live my life. And that the Dasas could do all this work. So there was no need for me to really meet the public and talk to them. But because of certain political situations, I had to actually come out and meet the public.
Seeker: Bhagavan, Do you mind me asking what prompted that? What was the situation that caused you to come out?
Sri Bhagavan:
The situation was because I was not meeting people, I became some kind of a mystery, and all kinds of rumors were floating, and the government felt extremely uncomfortable. So the government said, "If you continue to remain a mystery, there will be a lot of problems. So come out into the open" So I had to come out into the open.
Seeker: Bhagavan, And then I know that some courses started later in another area of Satyaloka, I believe that the school is renamed Satyaloka and there were some big buildings made there. What were those courses in those early times?
Sri Bhagavan:
The kind of courses that we now do here, they were being held there at that time. So there were I think 3 day courses, 6 day, 10 day courses, all kinds of courses were going on which these people used to conduct
Seeker: Bhagavan, And this was only Indian people or also there were west?
Sri Bhagavan:
There were also Westerners. There were Indians and Westerners, both used to come there.
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