Queer Representation In The Riordanverse

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  • čas přidán 18. 06. 2020
  • The subject of today's video: queer characters in the Riordanverse. The title says it all.
    Credits:
    The books, characters and book quotations (if used) in this video belong to Rick Riordan and Disney Hyperion. I do not claim to own any of the content discussed in this video, nor did I create it. None of the visual art or music in this video belongs to me, nor did I create it. I own nothing in this video except for the video itself.
    The Nico artwork in the thumbnail is by Viria. The cover for The House of Hades book in the thumbnail is illustrated by John Rocco.
    Music used in a part of this video: Jaunty Gumption Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
    Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License
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  • @samuelbarber6177
    @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +158

    Rick: Makes Nico Gay.
    Homophobes: Ah, well, it’s not that important.
    Also Rick: Proceeds to make it really important.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +44

      Yes exactly why Rick is A KING.

    • @samuelbarber6177
      @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +32

      @@TheDemigodLover it actually gives me a whole lot of respect for the guy, basically just saying that he doesn’t want homophobes enjoying his books and he doesn’t care wether that might cut his profits slightly

    • @BuilderB08
      @BuilderB08 Před 3 lety +10

      @@samuelbarber6177 yeah, he does not care that homophobes don’t like it

  • @applef1uffy
    @applef1uffy Před 4 lety +318

    We stan uncle Rick. He is a white, cis, straight man who tries so hard and succeeds with representation

    • @Chrischi3TutorialLPs
      @Chrischi3TutorialLPs Před 3 lety +79

      Ive read an interview earlier where he explains why he has this much representation. He states that every character in his books is to some degree based off of students he had in the past. This he said specifically in regard to Alex, because he had some students who were uncomfortable with their gender, and wishes that he had had the words and the understanding to help those students more than he did.
      On that note, can you imagine what it mustve been like to have Rick Riordan as your middle school teacher and one day see his book in stores?

    • @applef1uffy
      @applef1uffy Před 3 lety +18

      @@Chrischi3TutorialLPs i wish

    • @Chrischi3TutorialLPs
      @Chrischi3TutorialLPs Před 3 lety +15

      @@thisaccountexists5545 Certainly on representation.

    • @samuelbarber6177
      @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +23

      Also, he does it properly. Many franchises tend to think: “There... we got one.” And then kill the only LGBT character or they’re the villain, who most likely dies at the end,

    • @maaheen.ghumman
      @maaheen.ghumman Před 3 lety +5

      Yes. And I love it.

  • @julianjanus6824
    @julianjanus6824 Před 4 lety +230

    Alex Fierro helped me to figure out my own gender, s/he was so unapologetic and about his/her gender, that I got the point where I just stopped for a moment and said "hey... I know what that feels like. I'm the same way." It took me years to have the guts to come out, and I don't think I would have been able to do it without Alex. Because of Rick I have the strength to say "I am non-binary/gender flux, and there is nothing wrong with me." Rick's characters have probably saved my life more then once. So yeah. Thank you uncle Rick.

  • @heyyallwasup2073
    @heyyallwasup2073 Před 3 lety +124

    "I've never understood why parents feel that they need to wait until their kids are a certain age to acknowledge that gay people exist." Lol my mom is a lesbian so I've known since I could talk.

    • @heyyallwasup2073
      @heyyallwasup2073 Před 3 lety +24

      Plus I am bi-sexual myself so I completely agree with her

    • @a.s.7129
      @a.s.7129 Před 3 lety +22

      Same. I have two moms and it always confused me that people think it confuses kids. I don't remember there ever being a time in my life where I didn't understand it.

  • @faexxii
    @faexxii Před 3 lety +135

    Nico has been my favorite character since house of hades and always will be. (That and Will, Reyna, and Thalia.)
    btw I just looked at the date and it was made on my b-day XD.

  • @rockassassin64
    @rockassassin64 Před 3 lety +83

    I also love how Rick snuck in basically the protagonist of Magnus Chase being pansexual by at the very end him and Alex end up being endgame. Like it's a really good relationship that's actually developed throughout the entire story and I super love it and Alex is easily my favorite character she is the best but I love their second kiss when Magnus points out to himself that Alex was a guy so he just got kissed by a dude and he had to kind of quickly decide if he was okay with that and it came to the conclusion extremely quickly that you just kissed by Alex Fierro so he was ecstatic and I just loved it so much. Out of all of his books I want more Magnus Chase and Norse god stuff the most

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +36

      Haha yeah I loved that too he was just like, "screw gender, Alex kissed me, how could I NOT be okay with it?"

    • @poyrazcoskun
      @poyrazcoskun Před 2 lety +5

      @@TheDemigodLover Exactly😂

  • @bethany8379
    @bethany8379 Před 3 lety +84

    Nico is my favorite character so I swear if Disney+ screws this up.....

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +51

      If Disney+ even THINKS about erasing Nico's sexuality or screwing him up in any way I will judo-flip them into the primordial chaos.

    • @ot7biasedmashups
      @ot7biasedmashups Před 3 lety +28

      @@TheDemigodLover oh we know Rick would be the first one to punch them

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +20

      @@ot7biasedmashups Yep definitely

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety +20

      @@TheDemigodLover I shall join you in judo-flippery (YES, i am suuurrrreee thats a word)

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +12

      @@ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Good! :D

  • @zerotohero1483
    @zerotohero1483 Před 3 lety +40

    I was on the fence of whether or not I liked him as a character in the first series. Then he grew on me in Mark and House, but Blood really brought him to the top of my list of favorite characters.
    His being gay was really just window dressing on an already established character. My biggest complaint with gay characters in media is that their only defining character trait is that they are gay. Rick goes above and beyond in revealing Nico’s sexuality when it was thematically appropriate instead the lazy way of having someone tell us the character is gay instead of showing it

  • @depresseddonut4293
    @depresseddonut4293 Před 3 lety +47

    I feel like the fact that movie and publishing studios alike feel compelled to the fact that kids shouldn’t be exposed to queer content. However, in my opinion that could lead to some major difficulties. The only reason I found out about queer people and in the process finding out I’m queer myself was due to the many books I read. If kids aren’t shown this side of media then when they’ll eventually find out about the LGBTQ they will most likely be less accepting.

  • @felix5151
    @felix5151 Před 3 lety +59

    as a lesbian, this makes me so happy. thank you!

    • @enanan6375
      @enanan6375 Před 3 lety +1

      It’s so great isn’t it!

  • @CrazyGirl-wt2qz
    @CrazyGirl-wt2qz Před 3 lety +23

    I read the House of Hades in Slovak, and there it was translated like: "ZAMILOVAL SOM SA do Percyho Jacksona" which literally means "I fell in love with Percy Jackson."
    (I'm still kinda mad at my cousin spoiling this part to me.)

  • @linermusic4732
    @linermusic4732 Před 3 lety +32

    Rick would throw kids in hell(not school) and call it a kids book
    But really i love the books

    • @Icepetal01
      @Icepetal01 Před 3 lety +5

      He is the only author I’ve heard of to get away with throwing 3 teenagers into literal hell (Tartarus) and have the books still be called kids books

  • @samuelbarber6177
    @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +23

    The best part about Nico’s coming out:
    Nico: I had a crush on you, but I’m over it.
    PERCY.EXE has stopped working.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +10

      Lol yeah he's like so confused.

    • @samuelbarber6177
      @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +6

      @@TheDemigodLover I kinda think that sums him up for a good chunk of at least the original series if not his entire character

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      @@samuelbarber6177 Lol yeah

    • @samuelbarber6177
      @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +6

      @@TheDemigodLover I don’t think I’ve ever read about a character so adorable but also so terrifying in battle as Percy.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +7

      @@samuelbarber6177 Lol yeah those characters are the best, just like, "I could definitely kill you instantly if I wanted to but I'm not going to cause I'm just a precious little bean."

  • @ot7biasedmashups
    @ot7biasedmashups Před 3 lety +16

    Waaaa I'm happy to see so many people who felt very comforted by Alex too! She's/he's such a great character.

  • @ot7biasedmashups
    @ot7biasedmashups Před 3 lety +17

    It's so sad that I way deeep in the closet when I first read the house of hades... I kind of felt like I could relate to Nico but I didn't know why. When I got to Magnus Chase I knew a bit more about my sexuality but my gender identity was just chilling in the corner yk. Alex was a great help for me to accept that I'm trans. For about 1 1/2 years I went by genderfluid before eventually realizing that I'm a dude and it made me very happy. Magnus was a big help too since he's most likely pansexual and I went by that for 3 years before eventually noticing that I'm actually omnisexual. Simultaneously there's also the Kane chronicles and it was very comforting to have a black (male) protagonist. I really love the Riordanverse.

  • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962

    Gods, I think we have the same brain....We share the same options on all of these topics.... When Nico was FORCED and BULLIED into admitting he had a crush on Percy, I was totally with him the whole way, and I felt just awful about him thinking he needed to hide who he truly is! I still cry when i read that scene..... and the amount of shock he felt at knowing that people who knew he was gay still accepting him was so sad!

  • @stlouislil
    @stlouislil Před 3 lety +24

    Zero dislikes. Just how it should be.

  • @danner-casasolafamily6830
    @danner-casasolafamily6830 Před 3 lety +14

    Step 1: Read “The Trials of Apollo”
    Step 2: Then go to, SlapLeo.com to sign up for a place in line to Slap Leo Valdez.
    Step 3: If you hurry your wait time should only last to about in the next 5 years.
    (If you happen to have the name; Percy, Annabeth, Piper, Hazel, Frank, Nico, Will, or any other name in the Rick Riordan Hero’s of Olympus) you get a free VIP pass. Which means you get to slap Leo soon rather than later. Also, there many people waiting to slap Leo, and only one Leo, so it would not be permissible to sign up twice. - ‘Someone who rly wants to strangle Valdez’s scrawny neck😊)

  • @yourmum7135
    @yourmum7135 Před 3 lety +34

    0 dislikes, as it should be

    • @aakashpawar6195
      @aakashpawar6195 Před 3 lety +1

      THE TITLE OF 0 DISLIKES STILL STANDS. HUZZAH!

    • @dandelionhood4508
      @dandelionhood4508 Před 3 lety +4

      Now there's four. Alright, who told the homophobes about this video?

  • @felix5151
    @felix5151 Před 3 lety +49

    if you see this, could you please remind me what the first gay kiss in the riordanverse was? you said it was technically apollo and commodus, which makes me think that that kiss isn't was you were initially thinking of

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +28

      Apollo and Commodus were (I think) the first gay kiss in a flashback but I was originally thinking of Alex and Magnus.

    • @depresseddonut4293
      @depresseddonut4293 Před 3 lety +17

      Yeah the only other ones I can think of is Magnus and Alex if you can even consider that gay. Nothing between Will and Nico yet. So the first was a flashback in the dark prophecy when Apollo and Commodus kiss.

  • @yakkothegoat2326
    @yakkothegoat2326 Před 3 lety +13

    This is the first video ever, that I have seen, that doesn't have any dislikes. As of yet, most probably.

  • @percyjacksonboss259
    @percyjacksonboss259 Před 3 lety +12

    one of my friends who read the Pjo/HoO/ToA series is homophobic and he said "Nico idolized Percy he didnt really have a crush on him and Solangelo is just wrong" and Im like "I love the fact that Rick put in a gay couple"(mostly bc im bisexual) but I love Rick bc he includes me and my gay family

  • @marvelismylife946
    @marvelismylife946 Před 3 lety +5

    I was like 11 or 12 when I read house of hades and when I read that line I was so happy that this fictional character could come out

  • @mooshrooms.
    @mooshrooms. Před 3 lety +28

    I absolutely agree with everything you said :3

  • @hiddenechoes
    @hiddenechoes Před 3 lety +12

    Thank you for making this video. Also, the intro at the beginning explaining WHY this representation is important thank you for making that explanation.
    So, it's gonna get deep real fast
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    I was born into a cult that basically set its members into a culture with expectations similar to the late 1800s but with all the modern technology. I avoided this aspect of it, but I'm talking the people who protest at pride and wanted to keep it legal to not hire people on the grounds that they aren't straight. Despite growing up in toxicity of that my family had a love of stories that gave me perspectives (that if I talked about inside the group resulted in my parents being punished by higher ups). Even though I was raised by some of the least hateful and most loving people in the group and grew up far enough away from the main areas so only at large conferences and camps did I have to conform to the groupthink... Without certain representation in media and understanding in part what people who aren't straight and white were going through the indoctrination would have stuck. Without this kind of representation done well there are kids all the time trapped into a mindset they were born in that will grow up without the lingering questions that were necessary to walk away from the indoctrination of hatred.
    (Not to be overly dramatic, but this shit matters.)
    I try not to judge the homophobic people who try to say "it's not great but let's not boycott" because for years I was that person in a sea of pitchforks and torches. Those people can eventually become people who understand the necessity of the representation. Changes come by degrees. If they don't change, at least their kids have the chance, especially if they read Rick Riordan. ❤️

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +1

      Exactly, this representation is important for so many people or they might never know there are others like them who aren't straight. If they think they're the only people like this, they'll never learn it's okay.

    • @hiddenechoes
      @hiddenechoes Před 3 lety

      @@TheDemigodLover exactly! So many people from the group struggled to come out, and having a story like Nico's gives them that moment of being understood. He too was born in a time and place that didn't accept him. It illustrates the struggle in a meaningful way and gives the audience tools to understand themselves when no one else allows them access to those tools. 💛💚💙💜❤️

  • @frankyquilavafireblast895

    Do I even have to point out the Chinese Canadian Shapeshifter in the room who is also Roman also might have a Greek background, thank you Frank you are the best

  • @blumerina.
    @blumerina. Před 3 lety +14

    I will be honest I was like 8 when I discovered the lgbtq+ community. I saw a boy kiss another boy on a tv show and asked my parents about it they said something like " some boys like boys and some girls like girls and that is ok" I was so confused cause being clueless me and thought people had to like girls if they were boys and boys if they were girls. Over time I found out there was a month for the lgbtq+ community and found out that there were more then just lesbians and gays.

  • @adeleh571
    @adeleh571 Před 3 lety +7

    nico and will are my best cupol in the rirodenvers and nico is one of my faverit carister and allways will be.

  • @enanan6375
    @enanan6375 Před 3 lety +10

    AND NOW WE HAVE PIPER X SHEL!!!!! EEKKKK!

    • @dandelionhood4508
      @dandelionhood4508 Před 3 lety +1

      That comment pretty much sums up my reaction when I was reading that part XD

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety +1

      When I read that part, half of me was like: GO PIPER!!!!!!! and the other part was: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE- go away Apollo, stop ruining the happiness!

  • @ThroughTheThornvine
    @ThroughTheThornvine Před 3 lety +8

    I love uncle rick sm for this
    The first series of his i ever read was Magnus Chase and when he introduced Alex..🥺like I’m not even gender fluid and I saw myself in them (a sarcastic bisexual teenager-) Alex is my absolute favorite I love them and I want to write like rick does

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +6

      That's awesome XD (fyi Alex doesn't use they/them pronouns. It's she/her unless she says otherwise).

    • @ThroughTheThornvine
      @ThroughTheThornvine Před 3 lety +5

      Oh shoot😅I guess it was just a habit I fell into whenever there was a gender fluid character in something i was into😂 i’d be talking about alex (or to a lesser extent, Sailor Uranus) and pause to try and remember which pronouns she was using in a certain chapter.
      Thanksssss

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +5

      @@ThroughTheThornvine Np

  • @Thedoveisrotting
    @Thedoveisrotting Před 3 lety +5

    I used to wonder why nico made so much sense and related to me..
    My pfp explains it fully

    • @Thedoveisrotting
      @Thedoveisrotting Před 3 lety +2

      And me identifying partially as gender fluid makes Alex really relatable to

  • @lewismoger7272
    @lewismoger7272 Před 3 lety +10

    If us finding out that Nico is gay is not relevant, then children of Athena do not have Arachnephobia. Complete and utter bullsh*t that is.

  • @mayaberg6243
    @mayaberg6243 Před rokem +1

    ... procedes to make a stand-alone book focusing on will and nicos relationship

  • @katev6263
    @katev6263 Před 3 lety +4

    THIS IS AMAZING!!! HOW COULD I NOT KNOW THIS EXISTED!?

  • @katebellamy5987
    @katebellamy5987 Před 3 lety +7

    I don't understand the "talk" either the LGBTQIA+ representation just has always existed in my life since my uncle is gay and my aunt is lesbian. So I'm with you, its SUPER simple why do parents need to wait to tell kids about this stuff?

  • @rosieg6989
    @rosieg6989 Před 3 lety +5

    Love riordan for being inclusive, mad at disney for its lack of representation, love Drama and have literally read it over 10 times.

  • @aronhalverson2115
    @aronhalverson2115 Před 3 lety +7

    He writes them well, the relationships are built up over time, not shoved in our faces and forced down our throats

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +5

      Yeah, they're written well and developed, just like any other romance, and treated as if they're just as normal, instead of seeming different and out of place.

    • @aronhalverson2115
      @aronhalverson2115 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TheDemigodLover exactly how they should be

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      @@aronhalverson2115 Yep

  • @gunsandroses896
    @gunsandroses896 Před 3 lety +6

    Rick Riordan actually helped me somewhat with realising I'm trans. Also, about the whole "NiCo MaY hAvE hAd AdOrAtIoN fOr PeRcY", he literally gets into a relationship with Will at the end of HoO and start of ToA. They literlaly hold hands (scandalous). It's why he is one of my favourite characters, just behind Thalia and Alex because I love the idea of the Hunters of Artemis and Alex is just plain awesome.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +2

      Yeah the "it's not a real crush" thing only works until it doesn't. Besides idolizing someone and crushing on that person can go hand-in-hand, especially when you're a kid. And yeah Nico is one of my favourite characters too :D

    • @gunsandroses896
      @gunsandroses896 Před 3 lety +2

      @@TheDemigodLover exactly. You can have one without the other (idolising a mentor or crushing on someone 1 or 2 years younger than you) but Nico literally says he loves Percy. It's like saying Poseidon is the god of laser technology or Hades is the god of the Sun.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +2

      @@gunsandroses896 Yeah, it's just like... no.

  • @waterstar3.144
    @waterstar3.144 Před 3 lety +9

    Hot take: Reyna and Piper should end up together. Based on their limited interaction in BoO it seemed like they had good chemistry and I just feel like they’d complement each other so well. Idk how that would work with Reyna being a hunter tho? Can hunters have relationships if it’s with a girl?

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +13

      Nope they can't, we know this from Emmie and Josephine. I don't personally ship Reyna with anybody, but I guess Piper and Reyna do seem to have good chemistry.

    • @justanotherfangirlontheint4084
      @justanotherfangirlontheint4084 Před 2 lety +4

      No, also I'm pretty sure Reyna is aro/ace

    • @ttwilight_dragon
      @ttwilight_dragon Před 2 lety

      @@justanotherfangirlontheint4084 I'm not sure about she being aro, since she seems to really like jason romantically but she does say it was because she felt like she should like him, so I don't know.

  • @shelbymae_11
    @shelbymae_11 Před 2 lety +2

    “You can not lie about love to love god” Thank you for saying this seriously it is perfect (I know my quote wasn’t perfect I don’t have the best memory)

  • @enanan6375
    @enanan6375 Před 3 lety +7

    I love this video, also Alex said that she wants to be called She/Her unless told otherwise

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      Right, forgot about that.

    • @enanan6375
      @enanan6375 Před 3 lety

      @@TheDemigodLover it’s fine! Np

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety

      When was that?

    • @enanan6375
      @enanan6375 Před 3 lety

      @@ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Sometime in the second book, close to when they first meet (I think haven’t read the book in a while) Magnus asked her about they/them pronouns and she said she prefers she/her unless she tells you otherwise

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety

      @@enanan6375 Ohhhhhh yeah. Since Alex usually identifys as female?

  • @natsolace1499
    @natsolace1499 Před 3 lety +3

    When I was VERY young I asked my mom about this type of stuff, she explained it in like a minute. I felt like it was weird at first, but I didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      Exactly why it's stupid to say kids should have to be "protected" from this stuff.

  • @williamwhite5594
    @williamwhite5594 Před 3 lety +5

    Me: Child of mine we need to have a talk
    My child: yes parent of mine
    Me: so you know how me and your dad love each other
    My child: yes
    Me: well Some people like the opposite sex yes that’s called heterosexuality
    Other dad: that’s completely fine love is love and you would never shame anyone for loving who they love
    Are Child: would you guys be OK with Like in the opposite gender?
    Other dad: yes me and your dad love you no matter who you love
    Other dad: OK now go play with your friends
    Me: when do you think we have to give them the talk?

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      😂 I can definitely imagine this conversation happening if I ever have a child (or maybe the child just won't know what romantic love is at all because I probably won't ever find a gf 😢)

    • @poyrazcoskun
      @poyrazcoskun Před 2 lety +2

      @@TheDemigodLover Never stop searching, you’ll find your Annebeth at some point.

  • @fawkestheplotphoenix964
    @fawkestheplotphoenix964 Před 3 lety +10

    I don’t think that the riotdan verse counts as child stories. It young adult. More geared to 10-16 than kids

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +9

      To me, 10+ and mainly middle schoolers kind of counts as kids books but I guess you could consider it young adults too.

    • @fawkestheplotphoenix964
      @fawkestheplotphoenix964 Před 3 lety +4

      @@TheDemigodLover it’s really a matter of opinion and frankly an oversimplification to pretend that there is some magic birthday where your not a kid anymore, or that all kids mature at the same pace. But as an employee of a book store I can say that the policy at my store is 10- is kids, 10+ young adults. But that’s certainly not definitive

    • @dabi332
      @dabi332 Před 3 lety +3

      @@fawkestheplotphoenix964 My mom read the books to me the first time when I was around 7 so I think of it as a children's series but as a teen I still love the books.

  • @samuelbarber6177
    @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +7

    It’s sad how few LGBT characters are in kids’ media. One of the few TV shows I can name that include LGBT characters that kids MAY have seen is Doctor Who and that tends to be more marketed to teens and adults. And there’s like two actually important ones. One of whom... is dead. The other is coming back on New Years’ Day. Wait, what did I start off talking about?
    Oh yes, I really don’t see how a Kid couldn’t understand same-sex relationships as well as do that of the opposite sexes... I don’t get it.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      Exactly. If a child is old enough to learn about being straight, there's no reason why they'd be too young to learn about being gay.

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety

      Well, now there's SHE-Ra and Kipo, and Kinda Legend Of Korra, but still..

    • @poyrazcoskun
      @poyrazcoskun Před 2 lety

      @@ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 LOK just cut at the end. It was really bad. Until I read the comics I didn‘t understand that they were supposed to be lesbian.
      I guess better than nothing though.

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 2 lety

      @@poyrazcoskun Yeah, I much prefer the new SHE-Ra and Kipo LGBTQIA+ stuff, but at least they kinda started it with korrasami. There's also so little LQBTQIA+ representation in kids or even young adults books. Like, I can think of some, but defiantly no more than 15 from different authors. All I can think of off the top of my head are Ink and Bone, The Girl of Hawthorne and Glass, some of the Rick Riordan Presents books, and Wings Of Fire. Considering how many books are in the world, that's sad.

  • @justanotherfangirlontheint4084

    Percy Jackson has good representation, however if you're looking for sapphic relationships that get focus or like cartoons actually written by queer people. I would recommend The Owl House and She-Ra and The Princesses Of Power, as while it's important to recognize the representation in the Riordanverse, the gay relationships tend to be with guys. While there are some notable exceptions (I personally really like Lavinia) they came later.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 2 lety +2

      I've never heard of either of those. Maybe I'll look into them.

  • @SkittlesStars
    @SkittlesStars Před 3 lety +1

    This is your best video!

  • @Trim1013
    @Trim1013 Před 2 lety +3

    0:14 Owl house: *laughs*

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 2 lety +3

      Never heard of it. I guess it's also hella gay?

    • @Trim1013
      @Trim1013 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheDemigodLover yes. It’s Harry Potter but gay

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 2 lety +1

      @@Trim1013 Haha awesome

    • @iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana
      @iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana Před rokem

      Sadly also Harry Potter but almost everyone needs therapy, like really, these poor children have experienced so much trauma

  • @nico_diangelo1957
    @nico_diangelo1957 Před 2 lety +1

    The only thing I didn’t really like about Nico’s story was how violent the scene in HoH was. Like I was in tears because of how intense it was. I feel like there would’ve been a different way to do it but I love Uncle Rick. I am queer so having Nico exist is so comforting.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 2 lety

      I agree, I wish we had more positive coming out scenes in the Riordanverse. I don't necessarily think that forced outing scenes are bad (because they are a reality for many queer people, sadly) so long as the story condemns the act of forcing someone out of the closet. But we do need more positive coming out scenes with real emotion, since most of the canon ones (like Nico coming out to Percabeth) are lighthearted and humorous.

  • @salem688
    @salem688 Před 3 lety +2

    I clicked faster then Annabeth fricking out because of a spider

  • @gncgenz5829
    @gncgenz5829 Před 3 lety +3

    The only real problem I had with Nico’s coming out was that we got it from the perspective of the most priveleged character of the seven. Granted, that is a good way to introduce children to gay people. However something still irks me that we didn’t get it from Nico’s perspective, espeically since he gets chapters in the next book.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      True, he does mention it at somepoint in BoO but the actual scene would've been more powerful from his point of view.

  • @maaheen.ghumman
    @maaheen.ghumman Před 3 lety +3

    I used to be homophobic. Then I read The House of Hades. I'm definitely not homophobic now. (my OTP: SOLANGELO)

  • @purbasapanigrahi3389
    @purbasapanigrahi3389 Před 3 lety +2

    the only problem I had from Nico having a crush on Percy is that almost all the important characters into boys have a crush on Percy
    if he had a crush on any other random guy or less people had a crush on percy I would have no problem with it (I don't have a problem from it now either just a nit pick)

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety

      I see what you mean. I think his crush on Percy makes a lot of sense, but I see where you're coming from.

  • @lelegus7732
    @lelegus7732 Před 3 lety +3

    Wasn't the first same sex kiss in Rick Riordan series the final kiss between Magnus and Alex?

  • @user-cp4bp3rv4v
    @user-cp4bp3rv4v Před 2 lety +1

    well, I'm ten years old, read all the Rick Riordan's books by the time I'm eight years old, and knew about gay people like, when I was FIVE. And my parents didn't have that "talk". there was this song we listened to about a movie about a gay couple breaking up, and they were arguing about which movie it was, and I asked some questions, BOOM. I knew about gay people.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly. There isn't any "talk" that needs to be had, but a lot of parents feel like there is unfortunately.

  • @firewingy
    @firewingy Před 3 lety +3

    I didn’t know there were names for these people until I was nine but starting when I was a toddler I imagined girls liking girls and was wondering why I didn’t see a lot of that and then I realized that I am one of those people my tiny brain imagined and it seems like people are saying “well… things could change” and no. Things will not change that is a terrible thing to say! I’m not kidding or trying by making the first person protagonist (I can’t write second or third for the life of me) have an important diversity (mainly being lesbian because it reflects me)

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +2

      Ikr! People saying things like "it's just a phase" is so annoying. It's none of their business anyway and it's so wrong to pretend that you know what a person is thinking or who they are better than they do.

    • @firewingy
      @firewingy Před 3 lety +1

      @@TheDemigodLover the worst thing is is that I hear that targeted at me sometimes but I’ve never once heard it directed at a straight person

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +2

      @@firewingy Yeah. When you think about it, way more people go through a "phase" of thinking they're straight than a "phase" of thinking they're gay, because almost everyone who isn't straight was raised with straight being considered the default.

    • @firewingy
      @firewingy Před 3 lety +1

      @@TheDemigodLover can I also mention that the word for a heterosexual person (“straight”) seems like the closest word to “normal” people could think of without saying “normal”

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +1

      @@firewingy Huh... I never thought about that... you are right though...

  • @AnnoyingPolarBear6471

    Something that the Rick Riordan presents series Aru Shah includes is the mention and fact that not all families are made up a mom, dad and child. All families are unique. Also one of the main characters, Brynne, is confirmed queer in book 2 and is noted to have 2 uncles that raised her.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před rokem

      I haven't read any of Rick Riordan Presents, but cool :)

  • @fastcheetah2788
    @fastcheetah2788 Před 3 lety

    I am watching this on March 18 2021

  • @potato5043
    @potato5043 Před 3 lety +1

    the 5 dislikes are octavian on his 5 different accounts

  • @kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214

    Because of the Riordanverse i become more respectful to the Lgbt Comunity
    So i just have to say thanks to Uncle Rick

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +2

      Yet another reason why the representation in Rick Riordan's books is amazing!

  • @krisjustexists_
    @krisjustexists_ Před 2 lety +1

    A year??

  • @firewingy
    @firewingy Před 3 lety +3

    In the Wings of Fire series by Tui T. Sutherland, there are LGBTQIA+ Characters (Spoilers ahead for book 13 and 5, 5 first)
    Sunny (as far as we know, I'll edit this if this changes) seems to be asexual, her friend Starflight had a huge crush on her but she did not seem to be sexually attracted to anyone
    Sundew and Willow (both female) are openly lesbian, Sundew never liked the male dragon she was assigned at birth and eventually Willow and Sundew actually became a couple

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks for mentioning this, I was gonna see weather anyone else mentioned it! Sundew and Willow for life!!!!!

    • @firewingy
      @firewingy Před 3 lety

      @@ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 probably my favorite canon couple in the series

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety +2

      @@firewingy Yep, fierce Sundew gets all stammery around Willow and its so adorable! Also, Blue and Luna have 2 moms, and Umber had a crush on Quibli. (that is not how you spell those names...)

    • @firewingy
      @firewingy Před 3 lety

      @@ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 I could tell who you meant

    • @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962
      @ninaarandomhunterofartemis962 Před 3 lety +1

      @@firewingy Ah good....I can read but not spell

  • @danielwinchester4642
    @danielwinchester4642 Před 3 lety +5

    I don’t mean to be rude, but I just want to know how old you are.one half of me is saying in the 16-18 range,and another is saying your older but look younger.just interested, do not mean to offend.

  • @Mr.wednesdayallfather

    Out of all the characters in Percy Jackson and the Olympians I've always found Nico to be the most charming even when I found out that he was gay I was like good for you Nico you go do you brother still say he should have at least got one date with Percy

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před rokem

      I mean, I'm all for Nico getting what he wants, but .. I think that would've been so weirddddd... cause like Percy didn't even go on a date with Rachel and he was genuinely attracted to her. There's the scene at the beginning of TLO but he didn't even realize that was a date, so him going on a date w/ this guy he doesn't even see that way would very really strange.

  • @polariskamaboko5781
    @polariskamaboko5781 Před 3 lety +1

    What about Lavinia and Poison Oak-
    Or does that not count because all nymphs are female?

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +5

      It definitely counts (and I think some nymphs are male, it's just that most are female).

  • @alexanonymous4429
    @alexanonymous4429 Před 3 lety

    There’s a a few kids tv show with queer characters like the dragon prince ,shera and the princesses of power and adventure time .

  • @hunterofartemis4436
    @hunterofartemis4436 Před 3 lety +1

    Is it just me or is she the best

  • @gayasheck6124
    @gayasheck6124 Před 3 lety +4

    Primarily aimed at kids my ass kids books don't make the chick who most people think can't cry bawl her eyes out for an hour

  • @arrogantgodjealous
    @arrogantgodjealous Před 3 lety +4

    Not much LGBT representation in kids media? Steven Universe would like to have a word with you!

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety

      True...

    • @melamory80
      @melamory80 Před 3 lety +1

      She Ra, The Owl House, The Legend of Korra: ...

    • @poyrazcoskun
      @poyrazcoskun Před 2 lety +1

      @@melamory80 I think LOK was also a blink-and-you-ll-miss-it-moment.
      Edit: Only if you don’t count the comics of course.

  • @TheAutistcTheaterKid
    @TheAutistcTheaterKid Před rokem

    Nico and Will are such a cute couple Fr, I love Rick ;)

  • @sapphirewings8638
    @sapphirewings8638 Před 2 lety

    There are also LGBTQ+ characters in the Wings of Fire series by Tui T. Sutherland. For example:
    Anemone had a crush on Tamarin, making Anemone lesbian (idk Tamarin's sexuality yet, she could be bi for all i know)
    Willow and Sundew are both lesbian, and call each other girlfriends in the book
    Jambu and Pineapple are also in a relationship, making them gay
    There might be more but I'm not sure. These are just a few example that I felt I needed to include.

  • @analaurabarreraoliva2989
    @analaurabarreraoliva2989 Před 3 lety +2

    Gracias a Rick pude dejar atrás pensamientos homofóbicos y transfobicos.

  • @arrowace21477
    @arrowace21477 Před 2 lety

    if I remember correctly there were no straight romance introduced in TOA the straight couples were introduced in previous series

  • @Lucas-gy5yr
    @Lucas-gy5yr Před 3 lety +1

    The nico part isn't in the romanian version ☹️

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +3

      Oh no 😠

    • @Lucas-gy5yr
      @Lucas-gy5yr Před 3 lety

      @@TheDemigodLover I found him bland and annoying, if I knew that he was gay I would've probably came out to myself earlier

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +2

      @@Lucas-gy5yr Exactly why this kind of representation is important. I hate it when people erase it like that.

    • @BestFriendsWhoLiveTogether
      @BestFriendsWhoLiveTogether Před 2 lety

      It’s a scandal, girls! (Yes I have started watching this video just after finishing a luxeria video)

  • @emmathestonedspider8676

    Nico and Alex Fierro we're and are so important to me and a bisexual trans woman

  • @MaristellaRPT
    @MaristellaRPT Před 3 lety +1

    Honestly if Nico is gay ok I don’t mind it’s canon and And it’s Rick’s series he’s in charge but I hated Nico after the titans curse idk why but I did. Sry Nico fans but if Rick was going to make a queer character I wish it was someone I kinda liked

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety +2

      Nico is my fave character, but hey, it's not like it's just Nico. There are other LGBTQIA2S+ characters in the Riordanverse too.

    • @MaristellaRPT
      @MaristellaRPT Před 3 lety

      @@TheDemigodLover I totally agree with you!!!

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před 3 lety

      @@MaristellaRPT :D

  • @DontDropThatCube
    @DontDropThatCube Před měsícem

    I am a child, and I have never thought of LGBTQ+ people as different. I was explaining the book to my conservative relatives and I was like "why are you looking at me like that?"

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před měsícem

      Sad how some people still react that way to queer characters, like their kids have been exposed to something inappropriate 😞

  • @hunterofartemis4436
    @hunterofartemis4436 Před 3 lety +2

    It pronounced REY-NA TEL-GA-MER

  • @minyeongyoon7200
    @minyeongyoon7200 Před 3 lety

    Im under age
    not(11)lerning about gay people was fine !!!😁

  • @alyssavon5246
    @alyssavon5246 Před rokem

    Although I think it is vert important to have LGBTQ representation, I don't think people should hate on a tv series or book for not having LGBTQ representation. It's certainly nice to have, but it shouldn't be required. Artists shouldn't have to be pressured into having representation. But I can't say anything because I am a sucker for LGBTQ romance.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před rokem +1

      I have never heard anyone say that people who don't include queer representation should be "hated on," I don't really think that happens. I have nothing against pieces of media that don't have any queer representation, but it is definitely far better when they do. Of course I don't think that "pressuring" artists is the right way to go, that just makes those artists angry & resentful, and perpetuates the idea that people who want queer representation are "forcing an agenda." But if someone is directly opposed to putting queer representation in their work because it makes them "uncomfortable" or something, that is queerphobia. I don't necessarily think that "hating on" those artists is helpful in that situation, but people who *explicitly don't want queer representation* in their work are most likely queerphobic.

    • @alyssavon5246
      @alyssavon5246 Před rokem

      Thank you for the clarification. I noticed that some people have been "hating" on these artists and I decided to put my two cents into the discussion.

    • @TheDemigodLover
      @TheDemigodLover  Před rokem

      @@alyssavon5246 "hating" on them how? What have they been saying?