The publishing process is clever. In the real world you have to publish _something_ fairly frequently or you're out of the game, and submitting papers to conferences for the collaborative benefit offers other people the chance to leapfrog your work and gazump you, as does taking too long on making great research! That's some nice game design right there, even if the real-world publish or perish sucks big time.
I feel like there's a surprisingly large amount of "this mechanic is fun in a game, but when you realize it's mirroring real life pretty well, suddenly reality is depressing".
But when you reach the end of the publishing track here the scientific community says if you're right or wrong If it was real life publishing, the app would say 'this idea is stupid and you're all stupid for being involved in this stupid idea' and 'i really like this publication, and think that with a few revisions it would be a fantastic addition to the scientific community' from two different reviewers Though that might be about as fun as receiving those reviews in real life
@@theoneandonlyjs19 Perhaps it would be fun if the other players could force you to issue a retraction, but you'd still have all the benefit of early publishing because your citation count would be through the roof... I dunno. My university had great citation metrics after a certain cold fusion debacle
Another real life mechanich: The advancing the player pawns in the game while that messures "time", and that being reflectes by THE EARTH MOVING AROUND THE SUN, and not only that, but entering THE SEASONS art. So, as stupid as "move your pawn, the last player tajes his turn, and rotate the disc to match last player" is an incredibly elegant and fun and strategic way to do a thing as complicated as time passing while surveing the skies and entering in Spring. Im astonished of the clever things that are together in this game.
One thing not mentioned in the review - it's really great in solo. Probably the best solo implementation I've seen in board games ever. You play vs the bot, who similarly to real players also asks questions, but publishes only based on obtained answers. It's not a simple clock to make you nervous, the bot actually deduces information just like you. When he finds the planet you probably also have enough information to find it, you just haven't put all the pieces together as well. Can't recommend enough!
This is really exciting! Alchemists was one of the first games I got after discovering modern board games. We recently tried playing it again and even though it felt like we remembered most of the rules, it was SO time consuming to relearn. I said at the time that a game with the same core deduction mechanic without all the faff would be perfect and this looks to be exactly that! Thanks a lot SUSD for continuing to fuel my board game addiction...
You've just started the game: do you want to publish your first paper? Actually, this is very close to how science works (because you often publish a concept paper after a planning phase about what you are going to do) Also the way you get your mitts on the work of others as soon as they publish and incorporate it in your research...yes, that's also how science works Love it.
Thank you all for everything you do. Whenever I'm having a bad day - which is pretty often at the moment haha - I put your boardgame reviews playlist on shuffle and feel better. Even though I'm not buying new boardgames at the moment!
@@saiyanroyalty229 Do you care about using an app? Someone could give a wrong clue in Cryptid, but that's not a problem with Planet X using an app. Also as Quinns says, different people could start with different amounts of starting information (if you play with kids, they can get more hints than you). Cryptid fell flat for me several times. We ran out of Yes/No pieces so I guess we didn't use all the clues correctly. I'm good at logic but it was harder for me to understand in Cryptid, and it doesn't come with deduction sheets.
This looks super interesting, but games with required apps are a difficult proposition for me. I want games that I can keep and play in perpetuity, without needing to worry about the support lifespan for niche apps. And I'm not sure this really goes far enough as an integrated physical/digital experience to justify the app reliance.
I love this game so much! Being able to play on different difficulties from other people works so so well for my group and the components are beautiful. I also just got Stellar and really love it too! 💃🏼🤩
Marcus Beirne the only way to make the search for the search for Planet X easier would be if you could somehow stop people from searching for ‘the search for Planet X’, or, indeed, from researching the search for Planet X at all
I haven't played this, but from watching this video it reminds me a whole lot of Clue (or Cluedo). You're slowly going through the process of elimination to find out what's actually there by asking the game "is object A in location B?" like how you'd ask in Clue "did the murder happen in room A with murder weapon B by person C?"
I glance to my board game shelf and see inis stubbornly protruding into thin air, no angle of storage allowing it to fully fit on the shelf, and yet it has fewer components than any of the bbgs I own.
To me it sounds quite a bit like 13 Clues. I haven't seem many copies of it doing the rounds but as far as competitive deduction puzzles go it was killer (and no app required, which is sweet).
Reminds me of the day when Computer games came on CD rom, and packaged in a giant box with 90 percent space. Back then, they thought a big box meant a lot of quality and content, with fancy box art and the big bold box a real man could hold in his hands and be proud of! Until you ran out of shelf space that is...
I own and love Planet X. Bought toally blind when I saw it at 40% discount, because it was a big box with a cool cover, for 24 euros XD I was really really lucky.
Me, SUSD fan and puzzle fan: Ooh, that sounds like something I would really enjoy! Me, photographer: Why did Quinns set up his tripod so low that he had to bend his body in half to look through it?
Some commentators have talked about how deduction games can become “make a mistake and your out of the game”....so I’d like to recommend one of the very early examples of the genre Code 777 This sidesteps that problem because the hidden information is your 3 tiles, but you have to guess them three times to win - if you make a mistake you only lost one chance (and put a bit more information into the world for the other players). But importantly you can rebuild your knowledge base from that point and start fresh - the mistake doesn’t poison the whole game. It’s ace and doesn’t rely on an app!
And now on random dude recommends a space themed card game, check out The Crew people, its pretty damn awesome for a light and easy going game, and it has a super fun space motif.
Search for Planet X sounds interesting but how is it solo? Quinns spent quite a bit of the review talking about the ways players interact with each other, but in the beginning he mentioned it's a game for "1 to 4" players and I'm curious how it plays solo. I'm not sure I'd be able to convince my friends to play this that often but if it's a solid solo logic game I'd get it. 😄 Also when he was comparing it to other logic games, he left out Rising 5 Runes of Asteros which is kind of like a really fun hybrid of Mastermind and Pandemic. Definitely worth checking that one out if you're looking for great logic games to play solo or with your friends.
"On top of that, you can flip the entire board over--"
I can do that with any game, Quinns
The neighbors must love their neighbor that tapes a sudoku to their face and dances in the hallway
No one can hate a well dressed sudoku
This comment made me laugh so good
Quinns, the reason that most boxes have so much empty space is because they generously leave room for your average Reference Pear.
The publishing process is clever. In the real world you have to publish _something_ fairly frequently or you're out of the game, and submitting papers to conferences for the collaborative benefit offers other people the chance to leapfrog your work and gazump you, as does taking too long on making great research! That's some nice game design right there, even if the real-world publish or perish sucks big time.
I feel like there's a surprisingly large amount of "this mechanic is fun in a game, but when you realize it's mirroring real life pretty well, suddenly reality is depressing".
I hate it when I get gazumped.....I think.
But when you reach the end of the publishing track here the scientific community says if you're right or wrong
If it was real life publishing, the app would say 'this idea is stupid and you're all stupid for being involved in this stupid idea' and 'i really like this publication, and think that with a few revisions it would be a fantastic addition to the scientific community' from two different reviewers
Though that might be about as fun as receiving those reviews in real life
@@theoneandonlyjs19 Perhaps it would be fun if the other players could force you to issue a retraction, but you'd still have all the benefit of early publishing because your citation count would be through the roof... I dunno. My university had great citation metrics after a certain cold fusion debacle
Another real life mechanich:
The advancing the player pawns in the game while that messures "time", and that being reflectes by THE EARTH MOVING AROUND THE SUN, and not only that, but entering THE SEASONS art. So, as stupid as "move your pawn, the last player tajes his turn, and rotate the disc to match last player" is an incredibly elegant and fun and strategic way to do a thing as complicated as time passing while surveing the skies and entering in Spring.
Im astonished of the clever things that are together in this game.
This sounds like my favorite game that I will never find anyone else to play.
There is actually a 1 player mode against a bot that is way smarter than I gave it credit for my first try
@@LazuliZodiac The bot is no joke!
That's how I feel about every video on this channel. =[
One thing not mentioned in the review - it's really great in solo. Probably the best solo implementation I've seen in board games ever. You play vs the bot, who similarly to real players also asks questions, but publishes only based on obtained answers. It's not a simple clock to make you nervous, the bot actually deduces information just like you. When he finds the planet you probably also have enough information to find it, you just haven't put all the pieces together as well. Can't recommend enough!
Worm Month was well worth it, you came back with a hell of a review.
The comparison to other games you often do really are the best part about your reviews. It just helps so much.
"Totality of the tamale on the flipity-flip" is going to make its way into my everyday life now
I've been debating this since you spoke about it on the podcast. Glad to see a full review.
Loved awshux, it was amazing!
I was fine with "an historic." I am not fine with "an strategic."
lol
This is really exciting! Alchemists was one of the first games I got after discovering modern board games. We recently tried playing it again and even though it felt like we remembered most of the rules, it was SO time consuming to relearn. I said at the time that a game with the same core deduction mechanic without all the faff would be perfect and this looks to be exactly that! Thanks a lot SUSD for continuing to fuel my board game addiction...
On this day in particular, you are exactly what I needed :,)
You've just started the game: do you want to publish your first paper?
Actually, this is very close to how science works (because you often publish a concept paper after a planning phase about what you are going to do)
Also the way you get your mitts on the work of others as soon as they publish and incorporate it in your research...yes, that's also how science works
Love it.
I really love all the plants featured in these videos, the peperomia looked fantastic
Thank you all for everything you do. Whenever I'm having a bad day - which is pretty often at the moment haha - I put your boardgame reviews playlist on shuffle and feel better. Even though I'm not buying new boardgames at the moment!
Agreed, I never really clicked with Cryptid but I adore Planet X
I'm between the two can you maybe talk why you favored one over the other?
@@saiyanroyalty229 Do you care about using an app? Someone could give a wrong clue in Cryptid, but that's not a problem with Planet X using an app. Also as Quinns says, different people could start with different amounts of starting information (if you play with kids, they can get more hints than you).
Cryptid fell flat for me several times. We ran out of Yes/No pieces so I guess we didn't use all the clues correctly.
I'm good at logic but it was harder for me to understand in Cryptid, and it doesn't come with deduction sheets.
@@gabtrat9091 I appreciate the insight thanks for the response
I’ve been telling people for weeks that this game will blow up! A SUSD review will bring my predictions to fruition.
It’s blown up... and I am still awaiting my copy... just about ready to make my own board and use the app to play!!! Impatient!!!
This looks super interesting, but games with required apps are a difficult proposition for me. I want games that I can keep and play in perpetuity, without needing to worry about the support lifespan for niche apps. And I'm not sure this really goes far enough as an integrated physical/digital experience to justify the app reliance.
As far as sci-fi escapism goes, would love to hear your guys’ take on that new Dune: Imperium that’s been going around.
Yes, it seems not much original... Until you read the rules and... The original use of the IP... And thats enough for needing a review.
I love this game so much! Being able to play on different difficulties from other people works so so well for my group and the components are beautiful. I also just got Stellar and really love it too! 💃🏼🤩
I won't be buying this but I couldn't stop watching the review because Quinn's so excited about it. :D
The Elfquest books in the background shelf make me happy.
I *love* this method of doing turns, similar to how Patchwork does it. I would love to see more games try it on. Thanks for the review, looks great!
Love the video Quinny!
Question, are you planning on reviewing Aliens another glorius day in the Corps?
So glad I picked this up after you mentioned it on the podcast. It has quickly become one of our favorites.
Your reviews are so funny and helpful, amazing
Odd that there was no mention of last years Awkward Guests, or the Sid Sackson classic Sleuth.
Was hoping Tragedy Looper would get the nod as a “comp”’for a logic puzzle game. It’s a good one too!
How have you had 3 thousand views in 30 mins!! Very impressive guys, very impressive. Keep up the good work 👏 👍
Sounds like a less complicated version of alchemists
Can't wait to try this. I never thought that academia and peer review would be a fun theme for a board game, but here we are!
Thanks for doing an amazing review of a game that is SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE!
Sounds like cluedo and sudoku ignored the sci-fi flick and had an wild night instead.
THIS is what l subscribed to SU&SD for. Thank you.
Wrote on this game on BGG, it is absolutely phenomenal, and the app is implemented incredibly well. Glad to see this get more press!
Nooooooo it was already so hard to find a copy. :’|
Same thing came to my mind!
And so begins the search for the search for planet X
Marcus Beirne the only way to make the search for the search for Planet X easier would be if you could somehow stop people from searching for ‘the search for Planet X’, or, indeed, from researching the search for Planet X at all
Maybe the rest of the copy's got....lost in space
Quinns, suddenly you have a Werner Herzog's voice. I love it!
Fantastic review. Can't wait to try this one!
If you take the Inis insert out of the box! Never mind that there is an expansion that you also want to fit in the box.
I loved the People Make Games cameo
"Or should I say: A-space"
O_o ....No... No you should not
I recommend Loot of Lima too in that genre (I love Alchemists too so now I want to try Planet X :) )
I would recommend Awkward Guests in the same genre that seems to have a somewhat similar feel, maybe a bit lighter
The Sudoku bit needs to be GIFed and saved for posterity for future generations
Have watched this three times now and still can't decide if I am tempted or not? It's a great video mind!
Heard this one discussed on the podcast - think this would be right up my alley 🤓
It would be cool if you reviewed the digital release of fury of dracula
Ordered before I even finished the video! I love telescopes and logic puzzles, so this is a no-brainer for me.
Was that a Kurutoga Pipe Slide ? I love those.
Ain't no planet X comin cuz ain't no space cuz ain't not globe earth!
I haven't played this, but from watching this video it reminds me a whole lot of Clue (or Cluedo). You're slowly going through the process of elimination to find out what's actually there by asking the game "is object A in location B?" like how you'd ask in Clue "did the murder happen in room A with murder weapon B by person C?"
God, I miss Alchemists... with the expansion it's so good.
I feel like this is the board game I've been waiting for since I started board gaming
I glance to my board game shelf and see inis stubbornly protruding into thin air, no angle of storage allowing it to fully fit on the shelf, and yet it has fewer components than any of the bbgs I own.
To me it sounds quite a bit like 13 Clues. I haven't seem many copies of it doing the rounds but as far as competitive deduction puzzles go it was killer (and no app required, which is sweet).
This reminds me to alchemist ;the publications and research and deductions, looks great
I definitely want to cover that dull boy with coooool space stuff!
It also works great as a solo game. I've been enjoying it a lot. First time I buy a game thinking mostly on the solo play actually
The link for a UK purchase just takes you to the USA Amazon.
Could you do a review on savage kingdoms rpg? It’d a good game but it’s an rpg so idk if u would do it
Have you played Loot of Lima (or its previous version, Deduce or Die)? How does it compare to The Search of Planet X, in your opinion?
When is your review of Eclipse Second Dawn for the Galaxy coming?
Splendid review! It made me laugh a lot...and now I want to try the game....
Can you please review FAZA? It came out last year and I’d love to know more about it
Thought this looked stuffy until I watched for a few minutes....and then SU&SD pulled another one on me, where I feel like I have to have it. :-3
I want to know more about those Award Winning Pies . . .
Reminds me of the day when Computer games came on CD rom, and packaged in a giant box with 90 percent space. Back then, they thought a big box meant a lot of quality and content, with fancy box art and the big bold box a real man could hold in his hands and be proud of! Until you ran out of shelf space that is...
You should review rising 5 I think it may be the competitor you are looking for
Alchemists is my ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE GAME EVER! And this gives me solid Alchemits vibes, a sure buy for me.
Matúš Kotry's Alchemists, but in SPACE! Bit better on the publishing side (more gut feeling, less "turn order based") and it seems easier to teach.
Great review! If you want another cool deduction game, you might want to check out Awkward Guests!
Sexy sudoku AND the ability to have different difficulties for different players? I think I'm in love!
Wow what a crazy unique looking game. Fantastic review!
I own and love Planet X.
Bought toally blind when I saw it at 40% discount, because it was a big box with a cool cover, for 24 euros XD I was really really lucky.
"Or should I say, a-space?"
No. No you should not.
This one looks super interesting, great video!
Does this come with a 1 player version?
I wish I could say I am asking for a friend... but I don't think that would make sense in this context.
does the cactus comes with the game ?
I bought this the second you said "puzzle" on the podcast. My partner and I love logic puzzles and love this game.
Yes, we see your pear-shaped galaxy core. Well done.
Me, SUSD fan and puzzle fan: Ooh, that sounds like something I would really enjoy!
Me, photographer: Why did Quinns set up his tripod so low that he had to bend his body in half to look through it?
Some commentators have talked about how deduction games can become “make a mistake and your out of the game”....so I’d like to recommend one of the very early examples of the genre Code 777
This sidesteps that problem because the hidden information is your 3 tiles, but you have to guess them three times to win - if you make a mistake you only lost one chance (and put a bit more information into the world for the other players). But importantly you can rebuild your knowledge base from that point and start fresh - the mistake doesn’t poison the whole game.
It’s ace and doesn’t rely on an app!
You either stop right now, or you watch to the end, otherwise, universe will collapse on itself.
I'm about to end this *Universe's* whole career.
I'd also recommend Akward guests as a great deduction game.
Why am I getting the feeling that a running theme on SU&SD is that the seemingly obvious object of the game might not be the winner!!
Wait, what is the fundamental flaw on treasure island? Coz I am strongly considering getting that game. Thx.
That's funky. I have Stellar sitting to the side staring at me when I randomly bought it.
Look like two neat games. Great review thank you.
I can't help thinking the image at 14:09 looks like a rifle pointed at the boy's face.
The board game version of Minesweeper eh? I can dig it.
The folks at Foxtrot did an amazing job developing this.
Oh no! The Pearadox!
Could you guys review roll player, it is playing a game about building your character super fun
And now on random dude recommends a space themed card game, check out The Crew people, its pretty damn awesome for a light and easy going game, and it has a super fun space motif.
Can also be played online on boardgamearena
Search for Planet X sounds interesting but how is it solo? Quinns spent quite a bit of the review talking about the ways players interact with each other, but in the beginning he mentioned it's a game for "1 to 4" players and I'm curious how it plays solo. I'm not sure I'd be able to convince my friends to play this that often but if it's a solid solo logic game I'd get it. 😄
Also when he was comparing it to other logic games, he left out Rising 5 Runes of Asteros which is kind of like a really fun hybrid of Mastermind and Pandemic. Definitely worth checking that one out if you're looking for great logic games to play solo or with your friends.
Sounds like The Search for Planet X Review should have received the Shut Up and Sit Down Nearly Asparagus badge
Old school Clue is in this category too.
I think they are pizza segments, not pie... oh wait Quinn’s told me to behave.
Yet another fantastic game review. Thanks!