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Sam Harris refutes the notion of an intelligent creator.
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SAM HARRIS:
Sam Harris is the author of the New York Times bestsellers, The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation. The End of Faith won the 2005 PEN Award for Nonfiction.
Mr. Harris' writing has been published in over ten languages. He and his work have been discussed in Newsweek, TIME, The New York Times, Scientific American, Rolling Stone, and many other journals. His writing has appeared in Newsweek, The Los Angeles Times, The Times (London), The Boston Globe, The Atlantic, Nature, The Annals of Neurology, and elsewhere.
Mr. Harris is a graduate in philosophy from Stanford University and holds a PhD in neuroscience from UCLA, where he studied the neural basis of belief with functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI). He is also a Co-Founder and CEO of Project Reason.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Question: Is there a possibility of a creator?
Sam Harris: Well there are many problems with this idea that . . . I mean first of all, that’s an unfalsifiable thesis. And there are infinite numbers of unfalsifiable theses that you’re not tempted to believe. And we could believe that we’re in the matrix. I mean you could go down that path. And there’s a lot that could be asserted by people who are sure we’re in the matrix, and some alien civilization is simulating us on their hard drive. One problem is that we have many holy books authored by the creator of the universe and they’re in conflict. You know, they’re not . . . The New Testament makes it perfectly clear that Jesus is the Son of God - really the Son of God - and you have to believe this. Otherwise you’re gonna spend eternity in hell. The Koran says twice that Jesus was not the Son of God. And anyone who believes he’s the Son of God will spend eternity in hell. I mean this leaves as much room or compromise as a coin toss. So let’s say we just knew that one of those claims was right. You know, we have a universe . . . Now we’ve eliminated all the other possibilities. We’re living in this challenging universe where God has given us a highly imperfect book and asked us to grapple with it. But now we have the biblical claim - the New Testament claim to the divinity of Jesus - the necessity of believing in that. And the Koranic claim that belief in Jesus’ identity leads to damnation. Now which is more likely? That one of those is right and the other is wrong? Or that we have these competing tribes that were toiling in the context of just abysmal ignorance about the world, and the birth of the cosmos, and the destiny of any individual soul after death. You know I would put my lot in with a wider view of the circumstance. But even if we granted your premise that, “No, no. There’s a good reason to believe that one of these books is perfect,” we’re still with a coin toss situation. We don’t know whether to be a Christian or a Muslim. And we’re noticing that people are . . . are choosing basically on the basis of accidents of birth. I mean you’re just accidentally born in Afghanistan and you choose to be a Muslim. And likewise with Christianity elsewhere. It is a . . . it’s a very strange sort of loving God who would have created these circumstances. By mere accident of birth, you are raised to believe that a certain book was . . . And let’s say rightly raised to believe that this book was the perfect book. But if you happen to be born in China, you know, you go for centuries without hearing about this. It’s a strange . . . a . . . for I think obvious reasons, a totally provincial and implausible scenario. And yet it’s the scenario that most people believe in the 21st century.
Recorded on: Jul 4 2007
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Scripture has measage of there beign a creator @ creation .genesis 1:1-31 romans. All Scripture.
When life gets tough, people turn to fantasy.
Faxxx😤 just like the sim hypothesis. When people have fucked there life they r going to believe in sim cause they believe that there lives do not matter and so they feel better
Yes because where else are people would to turn to. Rationality?. Maybe it is more rational to just kill ourselves now because it wouldn't even matter in a million years anyway
Fantasy is when people turn to man made science with no evidence to explain it.
@Alex Perez Well not all of science is reliable, a lot of the time it completely changes and never stays the same. For something to be proven it has to stay consistent, tested, and observed to be proven as a fact.
@Alex Perez yeah and I rely on the Bible for truth because it has scientific evidence in it as well
If there is a creator, I doubt that man made religions have much to do with what "it" actually is.
also its clear that it would not want anyone to easily know about it since no religious groups can seem to agree with each other. There are tons of variations of Christianity, Lutheran, Seventh Day Adventist, Baptist, Methodist, etc that disagree on core tenants, even the mechanics of salvation
Luke Macleran Jr. Tomlinson I agree with you. But all evidence states that th e universe did not come by chance or random events.
@Luke Macleran Jr. Tomlinson Why would you assume that's 'it' is a 'him', like a mere person. Why would it care to announce himself to a funny species of primate. If there is an entity or a group of entities that created the universe, maybe our ways of communicating and what we think are completely irrelevant to them.
@Luke Macleran Jr. Tomlinson So you worship this bloodthirsty maniac who is obsessed with our sex lives, deals in plagues and fireballs and created a place to torture souls for eternity?
@Luke Macleran Jr. Tomlinson You look like a stereotypical believer who flushed his brains down the toilet a long time ago, or else, much more likely, you were never born with any at all.
You keep using the word 'evidence' repeatedly, and yet the only 'proof' you can offer is a book that claims to be right... because it says so??
If that's all it takes to convince you, and if that's what you call 'evidence', you never should have been allowed to leave elementary school, let alone high-school, unless of course you were home-schooled, which wouldn't surprise me.
This is a thought I had shortly after I lost faith in Christianity almost 3 years ago. After I watched a documentary about Hinduism, and found out for the first time that those folks in India believed in their theologies just as fervently as I and my fellow Christians believed in ours, I realized how foolish it was for anyone 2k yrs ago to say that if you werent born again/saved through Jesus you weren't going to heaven, instead burn in hell forever. How foolish it was to believe that there was a god who created souls, and injected souls into human babies that were born into cultures that, by no fault of their own, were raised to believe something other than Christian doctrine, and would one day die and find themselves standing in front of a strange god that they knew nothing about, and be told they were going to hell for rejecting the "truth" of Christianity.
Christians who assert that this is what will happen, who also claim that this god is "Just" in everything he does, should really try a mental exercise and trying reversing the roles. They should imagine, if they believed and practice Christianity as was taught to them their whole lives, and expected to go to heaven after death, of how they would feel if they suddenly found themselves in the Islamic version of their own god, or even aanother wrathful god they had never heard of, and the god told them that they were going to burn forever for rejecting a truth that they were unfamiliar with.. Would these Christians believe that this strange god that they knew little or nothing about was merciful for placing them in bad circumstances during life where they couldn't learn and/or accept the "REAL TRUTH"? I highly doubt they would think of this strange god as merciful, good, moral, and Just in all it does if they were placed in the same shoes of the other folks in the world who they think are going to hell. Pure HYPOCRISY!!!!!
Thanks. Very helpful to someone like me who is from a different culture and religion. Many of our people convert to be a fundamental Christians and turn around to curse and burn all our religious practices and symbols as Devil, causing bitter divisions in nearly every family, relatives and friends. They inspired me to read and study the bible, which I found no god but old bronze-age philosophy of absolute power and control of their subjects and wiping out of their enemies. OT writers animated their deities to control ancient Israel but failed. NT writers began to do the same but also failed so they switched the aim to other nations and cultures and succeed till nowadays. So obvious and ridiculous but no one seems to see what I see.
@@pngfowl Anyone can't help but notice that every single activity that the Abrahamic god was ever up to, coincidentally was lways within the same region of the middle east that these early monotheists resided in, and seemed to never bother with the rest of human cultures around the world, except when he flooded it. Even before the jews became "god's chosen people" when the promise was made to Abraham that yahweh would bless his descendants, it still always seemed that this god was picking favorites from tribes in those areas and ignoring the rest of the world Thats exactly what to expect when folks, who had no clue about the rest of the world creates mythology and attributes it to their invisible sky daddy, they pretend that it favors them since they seem to be the only ones having the delusion of the god they believed in. You find this trend in most ancient religious mythologies, the invisible gods always favors them.
Anyways, I give you my best wishes, and hope you have a wonderful life Make the most of it because this is all that we know that we have for sure, and be a blessing to others around you. :-)
@@brucecook502 Thanks again
@Greg right lol
@Greg America stole them
Give me one example of a phenomenon that used to have a religious explanation, and now has a scientific one. A seemingly endless stream of examples come to mind. But to come up with just one example of a phenomenon that used to have a scientific explanation, and now has a religious one, is a riddle that even the most sophisticated theologian will undoubtedly fail to solve. Religion has given us nothing and asks for everything in return, while science has given us everything and asks us for nothing. Science has provided us with knowledge that allow us to live longer, healthier, more comfortable, and most important of all, more enjoyable lives. The only things wrong with fundamentalist religion, are the fundamentals of religion.
(silent clap)
Steve mc But maybe the purpose of religious faith never involved explaining physical phenomena to begin with. Nor is it true that science asks for nothing: It is a multibillion dollar enterprise supported by tax money while religion in western countries is now completely voluntary.
"But maybe the purpose of religious faith never involved explaining physical phenomena to begin with."
But of course it did. Every culture created mythologies around nature: the sun rising and setting being a god, storms/earthquakes/other disasters as the result of gods being angry... humans with epilepsy being mistaken for demon possession... everything that ancient humans encountered and feared, religious ideas were used as explanations. Religious faith was the only explanation for the world that humans found themselves in. Ancient humans had no idea how to explain their world or their mere existence and what makes it possible.
"Nor is it true that science asks for nothing"
"Science" (the principal of science) asks for nothing. It is strictly a set of logical precepts that can be used to deduce facts about the universe. The "enterprise" that seeks to use science needs to have money in order to conduct such research.
No religious person would equate the "church" (and all of the corruption and evil within) as the religion itself. Likewise, "science" is not the multibillion dollar enterprise. But honestly, it's foolish to think that science can be done without the funding or incentive. Ask a microbiologist to do their work without the necessary tools, and then re-evaluate your statement.
Jamal Jewell did anyone say that?.. I know I didn't. That would not only be false, it would be absurd. I'm not sure who's comment you're responding to.
much not all
it's safe to say the dislikers are believers
I sincerely dislike the twilight saga, but I dont accept a word of it as fact.
Ya think?
I didn't click anything but I dislike the video (because it's pointless) and I'm not a "believer." Next question...
No.
It depends on one’s understanding of the “thumb system”😉 I’m a believer in Christ, but I think it’s a very fair topic, which raises very good questions.
Debating the logic of organized religion has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of a God.
Thank you. This gets mixed up so often. He started talking about his view on the logic of the possibility of A creator, but then he focused entirely on religion. I find that frustrating in these types of discussions because religions can have it mostly wrong with the details, the dogma, etc, but yet still be right in the larger picture, that there is a designer. There is a difference between a discussion on religion and a discussion on the possibility of a creator/designer/architect, whatever the traits of said intelligence might be.
@Hal Landy Have you ever read "Conversations with God"? It's a great read without any dogma.
He completely failed at making an argument about the existence of a creator as the title suggests is the topic.
@@kault324 yep
i was born into a raising based upon christianity. i decided to stop practicing 6 years ago. i am 25 now. it still makes me question every decision i make. makes me feel unsure and ashamed, even if i am not hurting anyone within the decision at hand. i can’t really enjoy life. i get angry and vocally tell god that i hate him. i feel trapped. when i get depressed god’s presence is conjured more than ever. so i pray really hard on my hands and knees; asking for forgiveness, faith, my submission, and whatever else i was raised to ask for. for a second i am calm just to focus and see if i have been at all relieved. but then i realize nothing stirring in me and i feel even more hopeless than ever. i wouldn’t wish this upon anyone. i envy those who weren’t raised to believe in a hell. i wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. if you are in my position, i am sorry
That’s a very sad story. I’m so sorry you are struggling. I only recently admitted to myself I’m an atheist, even though I lost my faith 40 years ago.
I missed church. The poetic, inspiring language, the singing, the rituals, and especially my long talks with god and the feeling that I was a good person.
I attended the Unitarian Universalist organization, which gave me all of these, without the dogma or forced beliefs. They are an interfaith or non-denominational group. Belief in god is not required, but often discussed. It’s a great place to hear words of gratitude, and to meet people who like to be active in their community. My favorite saying from there is that each of us holds a piece of the truth. I like that, no one person has all the answers, but each of us has value and perspectives that are valid.
If you’re still sad, and need a laugh, try video cartoons by DarkMatter2525. Laughter heals. It helped me to laugh along at familiar Bible stories. Church taught me not to ask questions. Now I quite delight in hearing other people ask those same questions, without the gaslighting or bullying. I also recommend The Bible Reloaded, they read directly from the Bible, while making silly commentary.
Some days I think I’m completely over it, then I see the numbers 666 and I realize how I still retain superstitious fears from childhood religious training.
Many atheists see their religious indoctrination to have been crippling. If you are still depressed a month later reach out. To me, to other CZcams video makers and commenters, or the UU church. There is a whole community to help support people in your position, without judging you.
Hope you’re feeling better now.
This is a shining example of the toxicity of religion. The true horror it puts people through. Something that helped me early on was not only the realization that it's irrational to believe in a god, but that if one does exist, then they are of such a monstrous, immoral quality that they are undeserving of my time or worship.
hope you made it to the light of reason
You have time. Focus on improving your life situation you sound like you're in a tough spot. There's a reason 80% of the world is religious...as you age and your days grow fewer you need some hope that all the sum of your hopes, works, dreams turns into more than worm sh*t.
As a Christian man, I do not agree with that, but I do understand what you went through. I do not know your life and for that I will not assume anything. I used to be scared as well, but then i thought about the alternative. Heaven also exists for those that wish to repent and turn to a holy life. I have faith in God that He will judge my fate fairly and just as He will for you too. Its not something to be scared of because He is merciful.. God is merciful and He wishes to take all of our fears away through prayer, worship, but most importantly relationship. You may not notice it, but He could be doing wonders more than you realize. Either way we have a long life ahead to see it through. I hope you find your fulfillment through life and death with all of my heart.
If only there are more people who can articulate their thoughts as clearly as Sam and teach their wisdom, then world have been in better place.
Sam Harris articulates his thoughts so well.
I like Sam Harris but this clip dissapointed me as he didn't seem to consider a creator. He considered the competing god claims of Christianity and Islam and came to the right conclusion, in my opinion. But I wanted to see him consider a creator philosophically, mathematically, etc. and then see how he explains the problems with concluding that there is a god philosophically etc...
schitlipz most atheist intellectuals are agnostics, or at least - atheist agnostics. That is, they do not believe but cannot disprove the existence. It's a very honest approach, imho.
Nothing fruitful can emerge from that endeavour. There is no way to calculate the possibility of a creator mathematically.
To prove something's existence we first need to know *what* that is. That's why Sam Harris goes by whence we got the idea of a creator, that's the only way to even entertain this calculation.
You can't possibly ask for someone to evaluate the possibility of something you can't even explain what is.
Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen I meant I hoped he would have considered it more philosophically than theologically. ie. teleological, cosmological, ontological, moral etc. And by mathematically I meant fine tuning.
verfed The very idea of a creator comes from these specific religious concepts. To evaluate the possibility of something we need to know *what* that is. Religious scripture is the only sources that claim to know *what* that is. Hence, the only logical discourse Harris can possibly make on this question is to go by the supposed creators we do "know" of.
Asking for the possibility of "a creator" is like asking for the possibility of "a sound." It's a nonsensical question untill you can define what a creator is.
The Bible gives us specific details of this supposed creator that can help us determine the possibility of his existence. These details are crucial to even be able to begin an evaluation of possibility.
We can't talk about the possibility of something we don't know what is.
verfed all the arguments you just presented, have already been falsified numerous times over - including by Harris, Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett, Tyson and others. Why rehash arguments that have already been proven to be false?
God is not all that bad. It's not like he sent his only son to be tortured and crucified on the cross - o..wait a minute...
+Bob Whackett According to Christianity, God was made into human form so that he could suffer like us and thus sympathize with our condition. To be fair this is quite different from simply sacrificing his only son.
+Keith Turner
So an all knowing entity requires his son to be tortured so he can learn about things he does not know (i.e. what its like to be a human being)? Right...
Ya isnt it unbelievable
Keith Turner It certainly is.
+CuiusRegio Yeah. The father, son and holy ghost are all considered to be aspects of the godhead.
The main reason that I stand firm in my faith is because of my relationship with Jesus Christ. I pray all the time about anything. I talk to God like I would a friend. He answers back through the Spirit placed in my heart. He doesn't literally speak, but it is something that you should try because the experience is hard to explain.
Yes... so have I... but you seem to be a good person....I think I am also.... but please answer my questions... please...all my life... over 70 now....I believe... but I have questions that you may answer...I am serious....
#1... WHO/what created the earth... only the earth.
.#2... where is the Who/what...m?
Again...
"Purposeful function in any sense must start from a planned idea for it to work." - Why do you think the universe has a purposeful function?
One of the flaws of human thinking is assigning purpose or meaning when it isn't there.
I hope years from now humans will look back on this age of ignorance and mark it as the dawn of reason. When men like Sam Harris were finally safe enough to spread logic and meaningful doubt. I'm sure in that future they'll be even bigger heroes then they are now.
No matter where we are born we must learn to think for ourselves. The average person goes through life guided by what has been foisted upon him. When we find ourselves at mid-life having the values of what has been handed us, it only means that we have been indoctrinated, not educated, we may even be enslaved as so many over-educated college graduates are today. They are not taught but programmed, and often it's the final blow to the Self because of the utmost respect these schools garner.
What an ignorant god they do worship...he made this flat, fixed in space earths first day on the second day. He created matter believing that light didn't 'already' exist at this point. He created a vial to hold the water up in the skies as not to flood the four legged insects and spiders, cud chewing rabbits. You would have thought the creator of the universe could have gotten at least one of these things right?
Irrelevant: I can't stop looking at how different his left eyelid is to his right eyelid
Thanks now i can't unsee it
Thanks for spoiling a series of nice videos for me
The Mormon commercial converted me before I could get to the Sam Harris video. So close!
Good but if you become Muslim you wil be in paradise
The accident of birth concept is one of the best explanations to religion i have ever heard.
You hit the nail right on the head! 100% agreed
The question I thought was about a deistic god.
Namus Motorola I did to. I wouldn’t even say that he refuted religion all together tbh. I thought it was to messy of a actual response
same. But I shouldn’t be surprised, it’s Sam Harris after all and he always resorts to thinking about the unlikelness of the existence of Gods from man-made religions. It’s not dumb to think that there is a creator, actually I think based on current info that it’s the most intelligent position to take l. Even if we’re living in a simulation, then we have a God because we have a creator. Even if aliens made us in a basement, we have a God, because we have a creator. Etc etc
@@Christian-mn8dh creator = god. Bruh
@@John_Doe742 exactly.
@@crbobbyconstance He isn’t doing it wrong tho🤔. Cos answer this question honestly now, if there weren’t holy books nor religions, would the idea of God still be peddled as much?🤔
WHAT'S MORE LIKLEY? Perfectly put! It's amazing to watch the mental gymnastics religious people have to do to try and make their religion seem perfectly logical lol it's actually impressive to watch at times lol
What is better to be Muslim or athiest
To believe in reason or blind faith.
That everything is from nothing
@@qiiqamalmalka8050 that everything is vile in a human violence and ignorance deluded to the truth ...that's muslim
It is still widely believed because humans will cling to anything that flatters their self-esteem and vanity. They are given (some) added courage by believing the universe is controlled by a being who shares their tastes and prejudices.
religion is a particularly hefty example of cognitive dissonance, something we all are culprites of through life whether we like it or not
Sam Harris is just wonderful!!
Fascinating. You should write these experiences into a book.
I agree that the creation of the universe doesn't really matter in a daily applicable sense but it is something to consider. Until science can come up with some logical explanation for existence, the concept of a creator cannot be disregarded entirely. And your right, science is a fascinating subject, without science we would still be living in caves and dying at 30, but the belief in a creator does not hinder scientific development. Any applicable science needs not cross path with religion.
Sam Harris is like the 8th grader who asked my music class, "Can God create a rock so big he can't lift it?" The height of arrogance, to live surrounded by an infinity of perfections and yet, to belittle the reality of it by an all-knowing exceptionalism. For if God choose to never give the boy an answer, would he ever know the answer?
GOD --- COMMON HORSE SENSE
Without God, life would have no logic, meaning, hope or purpose.
Try and rationalize an existence without God, an exercise in futility.
Without God, life would be immoral, wrong, unjust, unfair, unequal, full of sin and evil.
With God, someday life will be moral, right, just, fair, equal, free of sin and good.
Without God, planet earth would have no purpose, for to overcome evil is it's only purpose.
What is the virgin Mary wasn't a virgin =0! What if she had an affair and was ashamed to tell Joseph!
Have you never heard the tale that she was raped by a Roman soldier named "Panthera" (who really existed for certain) and invented the immaculate conception story to cover it up?!? Not saying I believe it, just wanted you to know that the idea you mentioned has been around pretty much since the beginning of Christianity!! Check into it...
@Opethfullcovers: What's even better is the bible confirms she wasn't a virgin.
Just curious but where did it say that
It's truly obvious that the Qur'an is manmade. An honest Christian would never be convinced by the Qur'an, whereas any honest Muslim will be convinced by the Bible. It becomes truly obvious to those who study both books.
The Qur'an claims to be a continuation but it conflicts with the Bible to such an extent that, in the 11th century, the Muslim scholar Ibn Hazm argued that the Bible was corrupted (because he believed the Qur'an's claim that it can't be corrupted, although the Qur'an also claims that the Bible cannot be corrupted, but I digress). Nowadays, many Muslims are taught Ibn Hazm's idea simply because they have to believe this to believe that the Qur'an isn't false, but the Qur'an still claims that the Bible cannot be corrupted. This results in the conclusion that the Qur'an is false for opposing the Bible it claims to be perfectly preserved. Also, Ibn Hazm claimed that the Bible must have been corrupted after the 7th century because Muhammad and the Qur'an claim that the Bible was perfectly preserved during Muhammad's time, but we know what the Bible said way before that time. Biblical manuscripts are the most numerous manuscripts in existence. In fact, they are so numerous that they many times outnumber all of the world's next 10 manuscripts combined. For example, just the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament alone already outnumber the next 10 manuscripts combined by two to one, and all of the manuscripts of the New Testament are four to five times as numerous as that. We know that the Bible was the same before Muhammad's time, so Muhammad was a false prophet who did not know what the Bible taught, which is the real reason why the Qur'an opposes the Bible, because the Bible never changed.
Unknown Brother, you seem to have a bit of confirmation bias. I've read the Bible, it lead me directly to atheism.
Idiot.
How is it impossible? The interesting part is that Muhammad (blessings etc.) was illiterate, and missionaries taught him to read and write using the Bible for examples of when and where to apply certain grammatical rules etc. Muhammad's native tongue, of course, was Arabic, so it's only a matter of circumstance that in order to test himself, he would have translated the book he knew best. Whatever alterations there are, he probably made to take into account evolving social norms and problems.
These aren't reasons to not believe in God, they're just reasons to not believe in one religion at the exclusion of others.
I'm glad this got more than 15 times more likes than dislikes! My hope in humanity is increasing :)
Great job Sam.
I'm proud of you brother, debating through different ideas and sorting through them in terms of plausibility. I will however, say that many implausible theses were shown to be true when more evidences and supporting ideas emerged, so an idea should not be rejected simply on the basis of low probability or high incomprehensibility. I would say that the very fact that we have a tendency to move towards the truth and away from the false indicates that the truth does indeed exist and if there ever were a person of truth we would move towards him and not apart from him, that is, if we have ever had any disposition towards truth at all. And the truth will liberate us from coin toss situation because the truth is never probabilistically determined but always certainly derived.
@Greg adults with friends imaginary or real are better off than adults with no friends. I mean this sincerely.
Seeing the title of the video, I had the same idea many already commented about (that Sam Harris will actually consider a God) and felt some disappointment. But the more I think about it, the more I find "considering" a God/creator a difficult (impossible?) task to manage rationally, cause by doing so you actually conceptualize your own religion. Your guesses what the creator's plan is, how there may be lines between life and death, a soul, that we don't understand, wether the creator is to be worshipped or ignored... all of them are exactly that: guesses.
We know it for sure.islam is the truth.if you read the first pages.the second page you wil. Find there.this is the book from god.wich are no doubts
If I were a religious person, I'd like to think I would be able to see the literal unquestionable logic in Sam Harris when he discusses such subjects and revaluate my beliefs. Sadly the religious people are so offended by his contrast of beliefs they ridicule these views other than consider them first.
I dunno, the way Sam Harris talks is very convincing. He convinced me :)
As a devout Catholic, some of my favorite people to follow are Sam Harris, Bill Maher, and Richard Dawkings. They just seem to be very intelligent people and make some very good points. I grapple with my religion all the time as well, but have never lost my faith.
I'm not a good christian apologist, so I won't try to defend my faith, there are religious people more knowledgeable who can do that. I guess I can just say that I don't believe the bible should be taken literally, to me, it never has. It's an oligarchical book of parables and stories designed to illustrate human nature and the ways that we may live our lives.
We also need to understand the context that it's a 2000 year old library of books written by different people who were inspired by God. Perhaps I'm a more moderate Catholic, and more conservative Catholics will have other opinions. Either way, I think that basically if you do well in life and are a good person, you won't go to Hell or anything like that. So, in my book, people like Sam Harris and Bill Maher and Richard Dawkings are not going to Hell to suffer any punishment, I think they are just misguided, and I hope God understands it as such. They are good people.
+Juan Veliz one of the biggest things for me is Evolution. If all the evidence toward evolution is true and I find it quite believable, then religion then doesn't quite work for me.
Your belief in Evolution is just another Belief based largely on Blind Faith!! So why arbitrarily choose to denounce one faith-based ideology only to believe another?!? I always saw the flaws of evolution and it is now being strongly challenged by Biology!! Most of you won't know this because it's at the forefront of science but evolution is in really big trouble at the moment and is under threat of being utterly annihilated as a belief!! And it's super funny that the thing threatening it is another field of science Lol
Above all, I just want you to realize that your belief in evolution is really nothing more than a belief based almost entirely on Blind Faith!! Maybe ask yourself "why" you CHoSE to have faith in one over the other... And it is just a matter of faith and nothing more!! You are simply taking someone else's word for truth with evolution and that's No different than being religious!! And For some reason, most people don't seem to realize that Materialism was thoroughly Debunked long ago!!
+Clint Eastwood Evolution is apart of the process. You need to question farther. Where did each species come from and trace it back and back and back. Eventually, you'll find it comes back to the Big Bang. What caused the Big Bang? In my opinion, God did. Not God in the sense that most people view "him" for he isn't a person at all. Think of God as a great over flowing energy that never is full of himself. Not in a narcissistic sense either. A literal sense. God is the orgin, the source of everything created in the universe, and God never stops flowing out.
+miamix24 Question everything you have heard before. Find out for yourself. Question your own beliefs and even the one I just wrote out. Find out and experience it for yourself, you'll see the truth. It has a funny way of revealing itself. Best of luck
As always, I love Sam Harris’ assessment and breakdown of these topics, but the question was about the possibility of the existence of a creator. While the claim that a creator exists is unfalsifiable, as he states, the answer to the question is still “yes.” There is a possibility that a god exists. Is it probable? That’s another question, which is what he seems to be addressing in this video.
As stated by Neil deGrasse Tyson, if there is a God (which in my opinion is 50/50 either it exists or it doesn’t) it’s either all powerful but not all good, or all good but not all powerful
You see this is a great example of why I put my faith in my God. He doesn't ask anything of humans. He will bring us to heaven regardless of what we have done. All we have to do is accept His gift. I should be able to keep this account, and God would still love me. You can never do anything that will cause God to stop loving you. If you ask God to forgive you for your sins, He will and you will go to heaven. That is an awesome God.
problem is there are 10000 gods ...
"Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. Take a look, and you'll see into your imagination. We'll begin, with a spin, traveling in the world of my creation...There is no, life I know, to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free, if you truly wish to be..."
--Willy Wonka
Wrong timing mate!😂
God is impossible for this reason
Who or what made God?
If you say he always existed,
In what reality or non reality did he exist , there must be no time before God , time and space must be created by God , if there is no time before God , there is no time for God to exist in. Conclusion there is no God. , notice I have given God a human nature which can not be as he would have existed before time and space .this leads ultimately to an infinite regression which is a logical fallacy.
Fernando Dosa I think the thing you have to consider when thinking about who or what made God is you would have to factor in the fact that He is a superior being(/race or whatever you would like to insert here); which means that He has a elevated level of knowledge and wisdom that we do not have. Think of it this way; if an advanced alien species were to visit Earth and tell us that they created a time machine and told us how they made one, it probably wouldn't make sense (or at least not at first). So, if God were to tell us how He is able to alter time and space, and how He is here, we probably wouldn't be able to comprehend it with our limited abilities. In other words, God is a higher, more intelligent and great being than we are in every way, shape, and form; thus meaning Him telling us how He is here, how He was able to create us, and how He is able to, for lack of better words, bend space and time, would probably overload our brain capacity and would render it unable to comprehend by us.
If we can not comprihend or even imagine such a consept. That is why I am an atheist and so should you that is to say I am not convinced such a thing exits. You have failed to provide any imperical evidence to warrant a guilty verdict. the only verdict is to find god not guilty.
Fernando Dosa First of all, you assume that I am religious and try to convince me of things which you do not know if I believe in or not. I was not trying to convince you of anything, nor was I stating any evidence to support religion of any kind. I was merely stating, while being unbiased of this topic, why these things are unknown if you go ahead and assume God is real. I was trying to provide an unbiased opinion on these things and am not trying to entice or provoke any sort of argument regarding religion. You have your beliefs and I have mine, and regardless of what I think is true, I will not judge you for your beliefs and I will not try to convince you of anything, so I would expect the same courtesy from you. Now if you wish to choose to continue to try and convince me of one thing, while you do not even know what my beliefs are, then by all means go ahead; however you will be the only one in the conversation. If you wish to continue with this discussion with me included, then I would ask you to be respectful and I will as well. So let's be professional about this and not act like children fighting over which car is better.
I have not used any durogatory language , as far as my beliefs , I believe a lot of things for witch I have good reason , you can believe things for bad reasons or good reasons , I try to believe as many true things and less false things as possible. My atheism is a question on does a god exist , for that question it is not a belief but rather a lack of a belief , example, I don't believe in Santa, fairies leprechauns big foot ,Zeus, Thor, put an A in front of those examples and you are expressing non beliefs.
I know you were not using any obscene language and I understand your grounds to constitute a lack of belief. I've gotten us off course of my original statement/topic and I apologize.
I'm a Christian but I like him and he makes a good point
@sidgdansk it's called Chi Rho and it's a combination of the first two letters of the Greek word for “Christ"
There is hope for anyone, no matter how kind or evil they are, if they ask God to forgive them. There is nothing to lose, God's grace is a gift. So if when you die you have not asked God for His forgiveness, then your chance is up. But there is always hope no matter at what point in your life you are at.
Who REALLY thinks holy books are perfect? Where they agree is a good place to look for real truth, real wisdom and common sense.
Some books are not good but the quran is prefect and you will see god.and you wil live forever
I can tell you're very exited to get to spaghetti heaven. :D
Many people say that God answers their prayers with a yes, no or maybe, which is true, but like other people say, it doesn't prove anything.God does answer prayers in the way that benefits Him and them the most.The time that God always fulfills my prayers is when I ask Him for things that will benefit Him, not me.I ask for wisdom about Him,I get it.I ask for opportunities to spread His word,more were given than before,I asked Him to help me play guitar better for church and I became much better
I am friends with a Christian named Dr. Richard Litke who was raised atheist and hated the thought of a cruel and distant God. How did this man become a Christian? Did he become stupid? Did he throw out his knowledge of science and logic and then study in prestigious universities teaching Greek and Arabic for years and earn a doctorate out of pure luck? I do think that it is very hard to believe in God, but explain the extremely intelligent man choosing Christianity over believing in atheism.
Amen, brother (pun absolutely intended). I could not have put it better myself.
I LOOOOOOVE how he refered to the matrix instead of unicorns, fairies or the flying spaghetti monster. I've steadily grown to hate hearing those in argument.
Indeed, simulation hypothesis and a higher power causing the Big Bang sound less ridiculous than the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, or Russell’s Teapot
PART 6: There is so much more joy found in being obedient to God than not obedient. Sinning brings immediate and short-lasting pleasure, but serving God brings everlasting joy. People's lives will be so much more fruitful if they serve God instead of serving themselves. That is why many Christians are good people, why they go to church, why they pray and read the Bible. Because they love God and want to serve Him, but not because they have to.
prove god
horse manure
The bigger point here is that "right and wrong" don't come from the bible or "god" in the first place. It's based on how we view ourselves and what we want from our existence in relation to others in the first place.
hes so friggin hot and that voice soothing aas all get out
You are mantally ill
"Sam Harris refutes the notion of an intelligent creator."
Um no, one of the first things he said was that it's an unfalsifiable claim. This is why we can't have nice things...
Lol... Yeah, I didn't see where he refuted Anything at ALL except the idea that he is actually open-minded and doesn't adhere to arbitrary faith-based beliefs!! You can't falsify the existence of God... Exactly!!!!
@Adam Rath: An unfalsifiable claim means you cannot prove a creator exists. Nor could there be a possibility of one, as then you would have a proof, which could be falsified.
+Scott Smith It means that the idea of a sentient god either existing or not existing can only be based on speculative belief, as any "evidence" of either view is actually arguable for both sides, nullifying it. Just a merry-go-round with words...
@Adam Rath: That's what I said. :)
@Adam Rath: After re-reading your comment, I meant to say I agree with the first part of your statement - that the existence of god is speculative belief. However, the second part of your statement doesn't follow. If any evidence of either view is arguable for both sides, then you have a falsifiable claim. A contradiction is still evidence.
I live in Taiwan where we have powerful typhoons. When the same storms hit the Philippines nearby, dozens are killed. Filipinos are strong Christians while Taiwanese are more commonly Buddhist. The Philippines are riddled with corruption and poverty while Taiwan is comfortable, prosperous and safe.
Is yahweh answering the prayers or buddha? I have often wondered.
for the purpose of dying on the cross to fulfill the law, pay for our sins, and break sins power over us.
we have tiny critters by the trillions inside of us, but do we know them? are we their god? no.. but if they are smart enough to know about us, they may worship us. and actually think we can hear them. Thats what i think everything is, i think our entire universe is just inside something living, and it is inside something living, an endless up and down cycle. and maybe even intertwined. who knows the very large may just be a representation of the very small. and size is just relative to your surroundings.
I thought he was going to talk about the possibility of a creator. Instead he rambles on about religions. He's stuck in small box.
+1971SuperLead you only have to prove there is a creator. Since he can't prove a negative, he will refer to religious inconcistencies
LocoZiLLo Nothing in science is proven. It's why there's so much debate in science. All theories and facts are held as tentative. Nothing is beyond question.
The evidence for a creator is strong. But instantly turning to religion for the answer is not scientific. It's childish and even possibly dishonest. Does Sam have an atheistic bias or agenda? Religion has little to nothing to do with a scientific approach to researching the possibility of an intelligent creator behind the universe.
+1971SuperLead okay i'll bite , lets say there is a creator of the universe, what else are you willing to add to this notion...
the chikmiester Think about your nightly dreams. Is not your mind the Creator of the Universe you believe you are in when you are dreaming? Are not all the laws of physics in your dream simply caused by your own mind? Are not the walls solid simply due to your own mind? Is it not clear to you that the mind is quite capable of being a Creator? Can you see that it does this naturally, effortlessly and without your slightest awareness? Maybe it even enjoys imagining universes? Maybe you like to imagine universes and believing you are trapped inside them?
The next question should be, What makes you believe you aren't doing it right now? Or maybe, What makes you think you're not maybe in a collective dream, the Creator then being a collective of minds?
What makes you so sure you're not dreaming right now?
1971SuperLead A lot maybe's , nothing that functional in reality and i choose to live in reality.. I can ask thousands of these kinds of questions but my time is valuable..
Okay just one , what if you are a dumb person in delusion thinking you are smart...
In response to "mere accident of birth you are raised to believe that a certain book is the perfect birth". Just because someone is born into a house that believes in something does not justify the belief for the child. If someone was born in a house of alcoholics, that does not validate a license for the child to be an alcoholic. If no one in the family went to college, you don't expect the child to not try to achieve the truth and greater things.
This is The best video i’ve found yet about religion and its short af thank you sam
Die Atheists. Allah yah bah! (BOOM)
desit = Deist. If you are not a Deist, i apologize...but then again i don't see a problem with being a Deist :)
Why are people so opposed to the idea of a spiritual entity being the creator? Of course we cannot go back in time to scientifically PROVE there is a creator.. this is why many religions say "have faith". A lot of religions on the Earth, DO conflict each other. Each one says that it is correct, so how would one know which is correct (if spirituality exists)?
Here is my argument for why Christianity is not the "correct religion" but the one true religion. There is most certainly a spiritual war happening right now, of course in the spiritual realm. However, although life as we know it and the spiritual realm are not directly intertwined, there is evidence of the spiritual realm being demonstrated on Earth, that science has not been able to explain. Science cannot explain everything, no matter how advanced STEM gets. Now I am not saying the Islamic religion is a hate religion, I know many kind loving Muslims, even if our beliefs in spirituality differ. Yet, their holy book rejects Christianity, and rejects Jesus, encouraging the opposite of what the true God says. In addition, Judaism, which believes in the same God as Christianity, is considered the first monotheistic religion, meaning that Islam stemmed from Judaism in a way. A lot of research has been done on how the three religions are related to each other, and the timeline of when these religions were developed and expanded.
Now progressive society today is big on the concept of "treating everyone equal" regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. However, there are countless attacks on Christianity. Now one may argue and state that people have hated on the Islamic religion and made derogatory terms against Muslims labeling them as "terrorists" etc. Well, if that is to happen publicly or on social media platforms, it is instantly shut down by members of society rejecting these comments, and the individual who said that is made out to be a horrible person who judges others because they do not agree with the Islam religion.
But the countless attacks on Christianity are not spoken on, except by Christians. The Holy Bible says that "You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved" (Matthew 10:22). There are numerous implications in the Bible that state the world will HATE Christianity, Jesus, and the idea that God is the true God. People are always opposed to the Christian religion, labeling Christians as conspiracy theorists and calling God the "sky daddy". Yet society does not stand up for Christianity the way they do for Islam, although the Quran specifically has hateful scriptures, and encourages death among others (which is often why Islamic extremists commit terrorist attacks in the name of Allah). Whereas, Christians encourage love, forgiveness, and repentance... believing that Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, and all who believed are promised eternity in Heaven. The true God will be hated and denied by many across the Earth. The attacks on Christianity support this.
It's not so much the irrationality of these ancient books, but rather the lack of consistency. What Sam said was that most of them seem to be in conflict with each other, specifically the abrahamic religion's holy books. They claim to have the same monotheistic god but they're ''Divine'' books are contradicting each other ad-nauseum which leads to the conclusion that either this ''God'' doesn't know what he's doing or he just doesn't exist. Which one is more likely?
Having ‘faith’ in only one way to ‘heaven’ is the easy route. People are are so brainwashed they are terrified to question anything in fear of ‘hell’. Questioning everything and searching for answers is the only way. Life is an individual experience not to be dictated by someone else. How much knowledge you gain is up to you alone. If you want to stop at one book and one belief...that’s on you.
also I am not a student of Arabic, I am a native speaker. born and raised. and I have studied it enough to know what Kaffaro means.
the cause. Another issue is the battle with contraceptives. That is Catholic in nature and does not extend to many denominations of Christianity, but realize that when you ask an individual to accept religion as a good thing, you are telling me to believe that it is okay for someone to spread the idea that contraceptive use is a mortal sin and as such should be punished. That is a ploy by the church to increase church membership. Islam does the same thing with promoting large family sizes.
Remarkable. What Sam Harris just said is that by accident of conception, he has been wholly determined from all eternity to be the locus of the thoughts expressed above, as well as all others he has ever entertained and believed, owing to utterly contextless, meaningless laws of necessity, themselves presented to his subjective experience, all ideas being equal. I don't find that incredibly complex explanation, hopeless abyssmal ignorance by definition, to be much improved over the alternatives.
You're absolutely right. A creator cannot currently be disproved, but since there's also no evidence to prove it either, it's kind of a moot point.
You also touched on a key point for Atheists, which is that science doesn't need to cross paths with religion. We can explain the world without Deities so we remove them from the EQ. The extremists of both groups make it seem like we hate each other, but most Atheists are tolerant of your beliefs, even if we don't personally agree with them.
QUOTE: "So basic chemistry can write all the info in a DNA?"
Yes, also it can create oceans, mountains, planets, stars, galaxies and every structure in the known universe of any degree of complexity. It doesn't need intelligence to do this. Intelligence is but an outgrowth of this process.
Christianity does not teach one to turn against his fellow man, its completely the opposite, and faith in a god does not imply blind ignorance to other aspects of the world. I do agree though that the concept of hell is not a good thing to install in a child. The principles of religion should be introduced in a professional manor so that the individual can make an informed decision.
He compared the principle behind these books, not the historical context surrounding them. It doesn't matter which book was written first and for how long, it doesn't change his point one bit.
Simply, we must question everything. Is there a God? Well, what is God first. Bible says people started calling upon God for help at some point. Since Constantine or thereabouts we've had One God but for twice that length of time before people worshiped many gods, so who is right and what is God?
The word God is an ancient word that came from Sumerian language. Gudde became God and gudde meant Bull/Taurus, used as reference to those who came from the heavens; they were all guddes or gods.
trumpsahead: one god? The father (one) the son (two) the holy ghost (three) Satan (four) Angels (five -???) Demons (???-???????????) it's polytheism still. With more characters and "gods" (immortals) than Greek mythology. Mistake to call it monotheism. Even in Greek myths, there was one "head" god, andlesser gods including Loki and there were underworld gods, and...see the resemblance?
If you look up 'God' on Urban Dictionary, you'll find that its top definition is: "A guy who talked to some Jewish guys, some Christian guys, and some Islam guys, and accidentally caused more people to die than anyone else in human history."
Example: "And people wonder why he doesn't talk to us anymore."
QUOTE: "If a man can embody two roles, why not the Creator?"
Don't be absurd, no one can literally be his own father or his own son. I fully understand the symbology behind the Father/Son/Holy Ghost mythology-- and the facile mind games that lie behind it.
It is people who have gone through hardship who love God the most. God is the rock that they stand firm upon, they do not fail and God gives them the strength to carry on. Life is not perfect and God isn't going to step in and make it that way, we have to take up our crosses and follow God until that day when there will be no more pain, no more suffering and God will wipe away every tear from every face.
And if you perfectly created humans, cared for them, answered their prayers and protected them, and if you humbled yourself as a human and lived a painful life as well, except without sin, and was slain, beaten and hung on a cross to die, would you not be at least slightly angry if they thought that they were better than you? If you specifically told them not to do something, but they went ahead and did it anyway? Do not parents punish their children for disobeying them? and they still love them
You know what I meant Shinedown. You can't tell me that you know what was going on in "that dimension from which the Big Bang emerged." I can't tell you what was going on either. Therefore, not one of us can say that the universe DEFINITELY emerged from nothing or DEFINITELY emerged from something. All we can do is speculate. But I THINK that it emerged from something and not nothing based on reasoning, logic and science NOT religion. This is my opinion and it is not wrong.
Quran states Muhammad is the last Prophet, last religion, it also denies that Jesus is the "son" of god, it acknowledges that Jesus is a "prophet". also, Quran says if you don't believe in its doctrines you'll be in Hell. since its doctrines refuse Jesus to be Son of God, then if you believe in that, you're opposing the Quran, therefore...you go to Hell.
Instead of 2 beliefs now raise that to a much higher number. It's like closing your eyes and picking a ball from 1 to 10,000 ( 10,000 for simplicity. Replace 10,000 with how ever many religions there are ) It's just impossible to pick the right one. If any are even correct.
There found it. If I recall correctly, the Lord rested on the Sabbath, doing no work. So the Sabbath would then be a resting day to praise God. So one working on the Sabbath would be giving God a massive finger on his decision to rest. However up until very recently (Historically speaking) resting on the Sabbath was possible. In modern society you can't and it's a silly rule anyway but it guaranteed one days rest a week for anyone working. So one can view that rule as one of the first unions.
I was looking forward to him speaking on this topic without a religious foundation. He totally redirected the question which was not presented as a religious belief. Gatekeeping at it's finest.
its weird how for any argument and topic of controversy in life people are ready to indulge and come up with reasons for why they think a specific aspect is the right one however, when it comes to religion , the cognitive argument is why to even discuss the merits of any of the religions, as if it is assured that the right way to go about it is to just have this downward view of all believers and religions rather than examining them
Converts discredit his argument that location determines you're religion. Yes if you're raised in a Christian family you're likely to take up that tradition, just like you're likely to take up certain their habits, preferred food, way of saying things, etc. But is that an argument concerning the validity of a religion. No. Location vs religion implies a correlation, not a causation.
We have a model of the world, such as "I'm typing now," "Sam Harris lives in California," and "I am sitting at home in Yamaguchi." All these are hypotheses which more or less correctly describe the world but the are only a model. Furthermore we are ourselves part of the model. But what of the reality? There is something outside of the model doing the modelling, where the model takes place. It is not "the brain." Brains too are part of the model. So, some people give that place a special name...
At 1:01, he states that Christians believe that you have to believe in Jesus or you'll go to hell. This is a false statement for Catholics, which is without a doubt the most well established Christian denomination on the planet. I haven't read the Quran but I'd be willing to bet a dollar that he got that wrong too. I wonder what else is factually incorrect here?
God doesn't ask us to do anything in order to receive His grace, compassion, mercy, or forgiveness. If you ask God to come into your heart, He will, regardless of what you have done. If you are sorry for your sins and you ask God to forgive you for sinning, He will and you will go to heaven regardless of what else you have done.
I do love Sam but this theory fails. You have to be consistent and let creationists make the same claim "because there are conflicting and imperfect scientific theories on a subject, then God must be true" or "no theories are likely to be true". Its an obvious presupposition all religions MUST have, that they are true, as with all believer in a theory in order to make their theory a provable fact
If there is a creator, who created it? And how do we know this creator is benevolent? Why does everything we learn via the scientific method seem to deflate virtually every religious/metaphysical claim that has ever been made? If we have souls and are special, what were the dinosaurs doing here millions of years before us? Any "answer" to the question of a supernatural creator just spawns more questions
That's not what he said. He stated that the NT "makes it perfectly clear" that you have to believe that Jesus is the son of god to avoid hell. John 3:18 states just that, so saying that he's factually incorrect is incorrect.
If certain Christians ignore John 3:18 for whatever reason, that's not his problem.
Just because someone's an atheist doesnt mean they dont care about doing the right thing. in my opinion, doing something "right" out of good conscience is better then doing something "right" because god says you should.
I think the problem is that you're talking about a creator which is completely outside of space and time and can never be disproven. This is not the same type of "hands-on" god that theists and their dogma typically speak about, which is a god that can be dismissed much more easily with the evidence we have. Theists can't be allowed to hide behind the protective wall of an unprovable "hands-off" creator, because that isn't the type of god that they believe in.
He isn't trying to prove that god doesn't exist. He's trying to justify the claim that these particular religions and the specific claims they are making aren't based in reality. He is arguing that the holy books are NOT sufficient evidence to justify the claims that Jesus is Lord or Mohammad is a divine prophet.
At that point, whether you choose to be an atheist, a deist, or an agnostic is entirely up to you.
Do you ever hear voices? Sometimes telling you what to do?
What about the millions of people who are never exposed to another religion? Millions of people are living simple, isolated, often impoverished lives. No internet, no television, etc. Many are even illiterate, unable to read about their own religion, let alone one that would be alien to them. What "loving god" would doom these people to eternal suffering? Not to mention all those throughout history. What about people who lived in the thousands of years before these religions even existed?
Most "reputble scholars" see jesus as a figurehead, a legend and a corporate logo, but any person or persons who may have inspired the myth has long been lost to history.
The reason I do this is because I care about and love you and every person who reads this. I know that people need to hear God's message so that they may believe and be forgiven. Pray to God. Tell Him that you are sorry for sinning against Him, ask for forgiveness and truly believe in your heart that Jesus did die for your sins, and you will go to heaven when you die.
Sorry to tell you this but your religion is fairy tales
The existence of a "Supreme Being" don't depend on beliefs, once can't but use the faculties He equiped us with, including life itself, that is the totality of what is or would ever be. The laws of compensation function naturally, like everything else.
perhaps it's just more respectful sounding than the causation being weakness and fear driving people to latch on to comfortable lies of immortality?
the point he exposes is that it is impossible to know which religion is the "right" one. there is no religion with 0 converts moving AWAY from it. or, no religion that people stop and stay at.