Why Modern Movies Suck - They Hate Their Own Fans
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2022
- From Ghostbusters 2016 to Resident Evil to Rings of Power, it seems modern studios just can't stop antagonising their own fans. But is this down to simple incompetence, or is there something deeper going on? Join me as I break down the seedy world of Fan Baiting.
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They don't want fans, they just want consumers
I keep saying this. Fans have standards. That's why they hate fans.
Yeah and they're failing at both.
They want clips for tiktok
“Don’t ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited for next product.”
They’re gonna get NEITHER if they keep on going the way they are!!!!!!:/:/
FANS = PROFITS
NO FANS = GOING BROKE!!!!!
Seems right to me!!!!!:/
They're creating movies for an audience that doesn't exist.
Drinker, you nailed it.
Drinker actually got it sort of wrong.
Pretending that it's all about fake outrage and outrage dollars and courting a new audience is comforting on the psyche but completely misses the actual reality of the unbelievable pressure from government and their other monetary backers for The Message.
I think someone watching this video uncritically would learn about Fan Baiting but walk away overall misinformed about the roots of these phenomena.
@@SymmetricalDocking I dont think Drinker is the type of people bold enough to risk his channel.
Sadly, I think the audience does exist. Mindless hoards who litterally think they are changing the world and making history just to see a film and lavish pretend praise on it.
@@SymmetricalDocking True, there is pressure from the Government to push the message through cinema, but we can't ignore the fact that Hollywood is infested with radical leftists full of hate, vengeance and vindictiveness. The Drinker is right, they truly hate us.
They do exist..to spread THE MESSAGE
Never quite understood why movies need to "reflect the world we live in", if they're set in a world we don't!
Exactly. It's a FANTASY world. Do these people know what a fantasy is?
Fuck it; I already know the answer to that
But if a fictional world is going to reflect ours, leave LotR out of it. And don't portray these fools as the heroes because they're not
They don't need to, that's exactly the point. It's just another phrase used to gaslight people into believing that what they are watching is a good movie/series and not a horrible piece of media just regurgitated in order to further an agenda. Ideally the movies would reflect the source material being either historical or fantastic in nature, deviating from it perhaps just slightly in order to create a better story flow (look at LOTR and how Peter Jackson cut out a few parts or slightly changed others to create a better narrative flow for example).
Because the Blackrock Foundation has melanin quotas?
What do you mean
@@andieallison6792 Just that movies don't need to reflect the world we live in, since they are movies (aka works of art which are at most based on our world but not meant to replicate it).
And that usually when this justification is used for a movie, it just means a group wanted to make yet another movie about "inclusivity" (so as not to seem racist or sexist, they have to have a black person or asian person, replace a male charater with a female one etc. not caring that them doing that only shows the exact opposite, that only skin color or your sex matters for if it didn't you would just cast the best actor for the job not caring about their sex or skin color).
That's why movies don't need to "reflect the world we live in" and that when you see this phrase you should expect another horrible movie caring only about those details mentioned above rather than a good story or compelling characters or a moral lesson to be had.
Have a beautiful day!
I always thought LotR was already very diverse. Hobbits, elves, orcs, dwarves, goblins, whatever Gandalf is. It’s all there
Well, yes, while having different races with wildly different values, life spans, ideologies, purposes, philosophies, social structures, histories, crafts, food, culture, architecture, politics, and physical features may seem pretty diverse, the only thing that actually matters is melanin content, you see. Everyone knows true diversity is only skin deep after all.
Gandalf is a Maia. Primordial spirits created to help the Valar first shape the World.
@@scode17 he’s also the same type of creature Sauron is
Thing is that it obviously is suppose to reflect some old European dark age mixed with magic.
as far as I know. There were none Africans in Europe in the old world.
I can believe in magic, but I cant believe in that
But no homosexuals or modern day democrat view points are in the LoTR,
"Modern movies hate their own fans."
Drinker, that was *never* lost on us.
@Bully peter lick dong
yeah
I dunno, Sonic 2 felt like a love letter.
Idk man, star wars fans were gullible enough to sink with the ship
Yes but it needed to be said
When Morbius screamed "Black lives matter", then bit Sauron in the balls in Rings of Power.......man that scene made me cry
It's why I named my daughter Morbius
You won. Congratulations
No. The lbgtquia community complained the director is bi-phobic since morbius didn't come out as bisexual during that scene.
#MeToo
No one like these stupid fuckin “funny” comments anymore
“Get out of my friend ghost!” Truly brilliant dialogue.
*SLAPPPPP*
@@theminerboy5694 Is it bad that I laughed at that scene?
They’re not “reflecting the world today” they’re reflecting the world they want.
Actually, there creating trends and stereotypes that weak minded people can associate to. It's just how they reprogram us.
They want to have a world where we own nothing and become happy, and that's a dystopian world that I don't want to live in.
The best counter example of the “fans are toxic and hate women and POCs” argument is Rogue One, which coincidentally released the same year as the Ghostbusters reboot. Rogue One is nearly universally loved by Star Wars fans, who generally agree that it’s the best thing Disney has done with Star Wars. This, despite having a female lead, her team which consists solely of POCs, her black mentor, and virtually every villain being a white male. Evidently fans really are more concerned with a good story than the makeup of the characters, and will eagerly support well-written females and POCs.
Exactly. Perfect example!
This ^
I didn't even realize that everyone else in the team was a POC until you pointed it out. It's almost like I didn't care about their skin color and liked the charakters because they were actually well written and interesting or something.
Fuck Rogue One should have made some of them aliens.
u nailed it, Spark!
This is why I respect the creators of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul because at the end both the actors and the writers/producers thanked their fans for sticking with them for so long. When you create good product people will generally praise it, who would've thought?
I’ve never seen those but is it
Possible that was contrived too, in order to elicit the reaction that people keep showing in this comment section towards those series?
What the hell are you talking about lisa? Appreciating your fans isn't a bad thing.
@@SinDesigns For whatever reason there's a trend on the internet with people inserting that X or Y happened in order to elicit a certain reaction in the comment section, specifically on CZcams.
My cynical self sees this as a marketing ploy, but my naive side really wants to believe that they felt the power of their viewership ploughing the series beyond their wildest imaginations.
@@darwincity how is it a marketing ploy when they did it AT THE END of series? Fans already watched it, noone is going to care to watch it afterwards cause they thanked fans, people are going to watch it because it's a good show.
Unfortunately it’s much easier to label everyone bigots than it is to make a decent movie.
It’s easier to be cowed by accusations of racism than publicly admit the obvious truth, i.e., black people have an inferiority complex that manifests as victimhood and all concomitant white demonization.
Echoes of Gordon Brown labelling a Rochdale woman as a bigot rather than listening to her, but she expressed a point of view shared by millions who promptly voted him out.
Maybe when movie fans to do the same and "vote" against these virtue signalling productions, Hollywood will get the message ?
One requires talent, the other pure boldness, and not the good kind
The path of lest resistance is often the most take
I remember when my publisher told me he wanted me to make my book as controversial as possible as it would stimulate book sales. He cared nothing about informing the public, only excited their information.
That's rough. It's amazing how people can sacrifice all integrity at the altar of cash
I was taken aback when I saw Top Gun Maverick in the theater and saw the special message from Tom Cruise at the beginning. He actually thanked fans for coming out to the theater to support his movie. I can't remember the last time a Hollywood actor actually thanked the public. A lot of Hollywood actors just like to lecture fans these days.
It takes serious people skills to join a cult and rise to become its god. A guy that sharp knows where his box-office money is coming from.
Link to the clip of reason why modern movie suck
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Quite a difference from an actress publicly whining because she was only paid 25 million for her last acting job which was 5 million less than her male costar was paid.
I didnt get into the theater in time to see the previews and beginning. Probably missed the intro your talking about. I got there as he was riding his bike to the hangar I think, about mid beginning credits
I'll bet Tom Cruise is pretty clicked on with the current Hollywood climate. Being a scientologist, who are severly anti-gay he and the rest of the woke zealots who now run Hollywood have distanced themselves from each other. Hell, they even shit on Chris Pratt because he's a Christian but despite doing or saying nothing controversial or antagonistic.
I'll bet Tom is seeing the writing on the wall and is taking advantage of that opportunity. And I hope he does more of it.
I love how Twitter anti-capitalists all of sudden become the biggest corporate shills when these manufactured controversies get created that portray fans as bigots.
Yeah, Reddit is also full of people who virtue signal by calling people "incel sexist racists" if they don't slobber over Rings of Power.
@hope. That's disgusting you distubed sicko.
It's a platform for them to launch their propaganda, that's all.
They're only atni-capitalists because that's the popular trend right now.
Problem they were never anti-capitalist, they just don't want us to have any money.
They will glad take all the money themselves while others starve.
My wife took our niece to see Ghostbusters in 2016 and neither thought much of the film. It was nice to hear their laughter from the living room later that evening, watching the original. The bottom line is if it were a great film, a greater number of people would have praised it.
Ah, from the mouth of babes laughter shall guide the way of truth
And the GB2016 creators had so many horror tropes just ripe for picking (such as Final Girl) at.
I like burgers
@@sandman4324 Burgers are tasty. I had a portabella mushroom burger the other day with some guacamole, munster cheese, and a side of chips.
@@jaroldscottwilliams.3rd832 I eat a king box
(I hate the English language)
i was starting to think something was just wrong with me. i used to love movies. something crept into them, corrupted them... made me not care what was out now. i don't think i've seen more than a dozen movies in theaters in the last decade plus some change. you're really hitting the nail on the head with your videos. keep up the good work m'man.
I remember when “Alien” came out in theatre (yes, I’m that old) and Sigourney Weever was just a-matter-of-fact lead. No “woman empowerment”, just a woman playing the role superbly
Those activists are insane - "woman empowerment" was called "leading lady" in the *black and white* films. There have been female centric films since film was invented - they just don't like the narrative that you had to look GOOD and act WELL to be on the camera.
That´s so true.
I’m not that old but I remember Tomb Raider on the PS1, everyone I knew loved her because she was awesome she have dual guns, she explores stuff, she can climb, smart.
Her gender was never an issue
I can say the same for Mila Jovovich in Resident Evil or Kate Beckinsale in Underworld franchises. Love those movies just the way they are with their female leads.
That's mainly because Ripley was a well written character that happened to be a woman.
Not the godawful "strong female character" we know today.
I think I read some trivia that said that the script didn't specify Ripley's gender and when Sigourney auditioned, they thought she was right for the part.
So Ripley became Ellen Ripley. A woman.
After Brie Larson spent 3 years of being an arrogant, annoying, self-entitled #girlpower representative, the best thing was to see her frustration when she admitted nobody wanted to see her as Captain Marvel anymore, not even Marvel
What a shame. She's. So. Likable.
She even needed an ass double. Women always showing they're the weaker sex while being completely oblivious to it.
smashing that F for poor Brie
@time to leave earth I TOTALLY agree with that video. And it definitely aged well when talking about Larson, and also another thing it touched on which most videos about this stuff don't is that diversity can be beneficial to achieve a common goal, but if DIVERSITY is the goal, then good movies never get made.
:)
Brie is such a delight.
She hulk was a big example of this.
I agree I had to stop watching She Hulk it was just to dumb
Who would have expected a masculine woman to be uninteresting? Normal women spend actual money on looking feminine and men appreciate the result, so who was their actual audience there?
@TheGreatEggKing You missed out on nothing.
Wasn't terrible outside of the writers never missing a chance to shit on men. Men may have undervalued women in shows and films in the past but there wasn't a trend of insulting and mocking them in general.
@TheGreatEggKing good damn decision...
i got to maybe episode 3 or 4 before i gave up in disgust... i so so hoped it ould actually have something....
The line about actors being used as weapons and shields is spot on
This is why I praise Cobra Kai even after 5 seasons, they love their fans. And with it being the #1 show on Netflix again, the fans love them back
Praise for loving their fans but berate for being utter shite though? In all things balance!
Cobra Kai is the enemy of everything the modern showrunners care about
Loves the movies
Loves the fans
Is kickass as hell
Has nonwhite characters with actual endearing qualities and flaws
@@AcornElectron you must be talking about Rings of Power lol
@@ktanner438 they have all that and awesome fight scenes with actors that can hold their own
Cobra Kai was good then Netflix got their hands over it and they turned it to a high school drama, inclusion and we know what.
"This character is gratuitous, annoying, and badly-written."
"But they're a minority... RAAACIIIIIISSSST!!!"
Says more about the writers portraying them like that, than the criticism that they are poorly written!
There was a time when movies and shows were keenly anticipated, now all people feel is dread at another franchise sucked dry, and I don't just mean Morbius.
My dog is also a minority.
Now where is its hollywood star, haha.
"I do not even know the race of your hack writers, you fool"
That makes no sense when you and your wretched kind were complaining and bombing the show before one episode played so yes you are RACIST most likely.
This explains so much. I used to check online for the critics' reviews when deciding on a movie,but lately I've noticed that professional critics,Rotten Tomatoes for example,are rarely agreeing with the public. Now when I'm undecided about a movie,I either check the opinion of Google users or look for reviews on CZcams.
The only critic I ever believed was Roger Ebert. Since he died , I only believe the audience score.
You have imdb
@@axcn4733 Still unreliable every Indian movie has a rating of 8 because they are so many indians
@@KennyNGA i really dont care about indian movies. do you?
I trust the CZcamsrs 10000x’s more than modern critics.
A term I came up with to describe this:
"Hot Button Sheild": including a hot button issue in a creative work for the purpose of deflecting criticism.
The sad thing is many movie companies aren't just using a hot button shield to deflect normal criticism, but as a way to excuse putting 0 effort into something and pretending it's a masterpiece despite audiences calling it out.
If it weren’t for people like Critical Drinker, Friday Night Tights etc, I think I’d honestly just be gaslit into thinking I’m the only one who thinks the way I do. I’m so thankful for these creators.
A lesson in 'trust your own gut'
Also a lesson in "go out and talk to people"
I'll just copy/paste my comment to the video, because I feel it's very relevant to your comment.
Before I found this channel, I thought I was an asshole for not liking many of the movies mentioned in this video. And I didn't like them because they shat on the entire lore of previous movies/source material, or were just poorly written and executed in general.
I absolutely hate the entire woke-ism in movies today, they just completely rewrite existing and established characters for the sake of it, instead of actually writing good new characters, or actually picking existing characters in franchises that fit to what they're trying to accomplish. - "Lets make Superman black"...... But you already have a character like John Stewart who is fucking awesome. But noooo, that doesn't create fanbait.
I hate what movies have become.
(Edit: spelling)
all of my friends who are tolkien fans have said theyre either very concerned about this show or flat out werent going to watch it based on amazons marketing. i decided to watch it because i like watching megacorporations burn through money faster than jeff bezos dick rockets burn rocket fuel.
100%
I didn’t even realize that the OG cast had started shilling for ROP and Amazon… now that’s just pitiful. Just goes to show how much of a bubble Hollywood and entertainment is, when you are willing to defend a show and giant corporation that actively trashes your own precious years of acting and hard work. Your *definitely* the resistance, guys.
Reminds me of Markipliers famous quote" me dumb unus, me like this ha ha me like this kind thing".
@@hammeredllama That is literally what shilling is. These OG actors aren't in contract to Amazon; and if they are, it is still shilling. Do you not know what shilling is? This is literally shilling, because they are being paid to do it. ffs, use your head for thinking instead of smashing it against a person's butt
Lmao they’re actors.
They were paid to say the things they pretend to think that they mean.
That’s also what they want.
They know what they are doing.
They want you to think what these guys think they think that way they can use such like your complaints to their advantage and call you every “ist” and “phobe” in the SJW handbook.
Sorry for the confusion.
Here’s an edit to fix that!
@@justaguyonyoutube4592 eh what do you know you're just a guy on CZcams
Watching this nine months after the release date and these tactics still exist but it feels like fans have had enough. Movie studios are still trying to fanbait but it's not showing at the box office. Disney has had failure after failure and no amount of fanbaiting has changed that. All it has done is destroy their reputation and alienate their fanbases. Hopefully, we're entering a post-fanbaiting era finally.
I absolutely used to love going to the theater and seeing a new movie that I was really excited for. That hasn't happened in years. The last amazing movie I saw in theatres was "inception" for the 10 year anniversary showing.
I mean there was Dune
Or Tenet
It is not like all movies nowadays are bad
John Wick is a great series imo
I'm 51 and the last time I was eager to see à movie was when the Peter Jackson lotr came out. That's saying something.
@@xminusone1 The last time I was eager to eat sweets was 10yrs ago when I did not care for my health. Does this say anything about the quality of sweets from today, I'd argue not.
Maybe you were never that interested in movies, maybe you got kids, a career, maybe you just shifted interests or anything else, I do not know you.
Look, what I want to encourage is to question any general phrasing of "today is bad, the past was better". If there are certain bad treats of a modern movie, it does not mean that this is true in general and more importantly was never the case in the past! Our feelings and impressions can mislead us here easily because humans tend to value nostalgia always very high for whatever reason, at least I do so.
Sometimes there are trends - which this video was basically about - that one could argue against (maybe with a different video title...). Nothing wrong about that, but that has nothing to do with your eagerness of watching a movie because the critizised trend got "big" many years after your LotR, and there you were also not eager even though the movies, quoted from this video, "did not suck".
Meanwhile, Tom Cruise leads his movie with a sincere thank you and a smile for the fans. Man might be a scientologist loon but damn if he isn't the best filmmaker today and the last remnant of Hollywood.
It turns out scientology is less crazy than the other Hollywood cult.
Probably cuz Tom Cruise seems to be the only one that takes his job seriously.
Just wait until people realize that socially and politically scientologists are actually relatively conservative in nature...perhaps VERY conservative.
He is logicallllllll
That intro before Maverick honestly surprised the hell out of me--definitely something he didn't have to do, since there was so much hype for it and would have done well regardless, but a little gesture like that goes a long way to building goodwill.
Agree 100%, also to add another example was Ving Rhames playing Kingpin in daredevil, he did a fabulous job with no fan blow back because of great story, and acting
I believe that was actually Michael Clarke Duncan, but yeah. He WAS the Kingpin in that movie. Used to love the Spider-Man and Daredevil comics and thought Kingpin was a great villain, didn't bother me a bit that they race-swapped him for the movie because his presence was the character's most important thing, not his race.
It seriously is like a group of people decided to destroy Hollywood by remaking everything in the worst way they could and then blaming everyone else for not understanding.
Kind of sound like the same people who want to destroy the United States and remake in the worst way possible.
Been saying for a while that this is business model. The backlash is basically free marketing for them. Glad to see people spreading the word.
Oh good I'm not the only one. You have no idea how frustrating it is knowing what's going on and being surrounded by people who seem to go blind and stupid once they see it. Or maybe you do.
modern music also
And like any marketing campaign the best action to fight it is to ignore it.
The best thing you guys can do is ignore this crap and move on.
I've been saying for years that products like WWE have been declining for a long time, but the backlash from long time fans have only helped Vince McMahon's case to get more rich and relevant.
As long as people give Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power more attention, the more fuel that is added to the fire. Amazon will just use that to create another inferior product to use as propaganda so the cycle can repeat.
Stop giving them attention.
It’s such a cynical ploy, I’m amazed how many still fall for it
Fans: "You have no soul!"
Modern Movies: "And that is why I have no fear!"
I love the transformers reference, lol.
Oh the fear will come when the money doesn’t show up.
You will be. You will be.
eyyy i know that reference
@@uss_cushing but the money is coming in because the same people who hate the shows and movies, are still spending money on them.
Rings of Power is one of the most tragicomic things I have ever witnessed. And I haven't even watched one episode. And the fact that they fired a Tolkien expert from the show is just a beautiful shit icing on the diarrhea cake they created.
..."the implication was as subtle as a purple unicorn with a chainsaw superglued to it's forehead..."... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rather than "Fan-Baiting," I prefer to refer to it as "Fantagonism."
They aren't trying to bait fans, they are trying to Antagonize us.
I'd say that the fan-baiting term is correct. The audience is intentionally provoked into a negative reaction, and then this natural and reasonable response is used as an excuse to silence any objective criticism.
Cute. But it will work for as long as there is a paying consumer interested in buying this rotten product. So far it seems to be working well enough.
It's just wokism, no need to invent a new word.
true. I thought fan baiting means you use something people are fans of in order to get them interested
Destroying traditions, even young ones created by Hollywood just a few decades ago, is done to demoralize people so that we're willing to accept communism. Enjoy your bug popcorn while watching movies about how brown lesbians saved America from White slaveowners.
@@kirkanos771 That term is easily brushed off because of the political association with the word "woke." Fan baiting sounds exactly like what it is.
It comes down to this: The public can complain all they want about films. But complaining doesn't matter if you are still shoveling them money. Swear off the industry and turn your back. THAT'S how you'll get them to change.
seriously, i don't understand all these people who still go see the movies they know they're going to hate because the somehow feel obligated to "check it out".
Indeed. And if you get really bored, it is always an option to go sail the high seas in search of plunder
Impossibly rich ESG investors will pick up the slack if its woke enough.
This! Especially there is soo many great, older movies, award winning from the times, when awards were meaningful. Try the originals before remakes guys, as it is worth it!
This is why I refuse to watch Rings of Power.
"I'm already paying for Prime" say my friends,
I reply "So you're going to increase the view count of this show, affirming its existence and implying to their corporation that you want more content like it?"
Something I've noticed about contemporary movies: the dialogue is often so paltry that I watch the film at double speed but not miss a thing. I think the first film I saw like that was _Heaven_ where Cate Blanchett sat there and stared for 15 minutes.
Yep, as Critical Drinker says they're written by children for children. Hollywood used to be famous for employing the greatest living writers but the worst of all their bad features today is unimaginative, uncraftsmanlike, unworkable scripts. I often feel sorry for the actors tasked with trying to deliver some of the clunky dialogue in plots whch could never induce an audience to suspend disbelief.
@@kenoliver8913 In many films, there are stretches without dialogue at all. I am told "film is a visual medium," but PEOPLE communicate primarily through speech. It seems film is no longer about people but about directors.
Others have said it, but it must be reiterated that this is definitely one of those videos that needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Drinker you've nailed it as always my friend!
they're not creating anything, they're just destroying everything creative.
Or shoving an unrelated political point into it for the sheer sake of virtue signalling
Jesus the Holy Christ, is that really you? I'm your biggest fan! Just one question: can you give us an ETA on your return yet? Things have been getting kinda heated since you left around two millennia ago
@@HamHock-Jones true that lol
Please come soon 😢
@@Izthefaithful ❤☦
Sort of like how people turned Jesus into a White man?
Disney has made an art form out of wetting the bed and blaming the blankets.
good one 😎
Totally agree, some great examples from the past of re-culturizing or updating a great film/story are Seven Samurai -> Magnificent Seven and Conrad's Heart of Darkness -> Apocalypse Now. These were done well and did not infringe on the original stories or media. Instead of having Western samurai walking around in a remake, they re-told the story with new characters in a completely new setting and culture.
The purpose of these “creators” is not to create meaningful art (in this ideology), but to be an agent of social/political change. They bait fans so they can role-play that they are in the civil rights movement of the last century and risking their lives for oppressed groups, when all they are really willing to risk is some twitter hate (even that shatters them). It’s not just to distract from their sheit movie, but to crown themselves as a modern civil rights champion, like a King or Tubman. In the end, it’s just egotism and self-stroking.
-Makes a fantasy movie
-“we have to reflect the world we live in today”
Just reflect the world the author intended. Not especially complicated.
@@MaximusWolfeWell, yeah, but you'd be surprised at how shallow these people are
At this point I expect to hear every Hollywood marketing campaign to say:
“People who look like me”
“Reflect today’s world”
“See themselves on screen”
“Toxic fandom”
“-ist and -phobe”
This usually translates to them having nothing of substance to say in the film, no compelling story, or interesting character arcs.
great comment, soo true.
Yep. Why can't you just be like the people who advertised films like Encanto that talked about their diversity AND their quality. Oh, wait. You can't. Why? Because, unlike Encanto which is a masterpieces ALL YOU CREATE IS CRAP!! Also, watch Encanto. I know it's a bit overrated but, that film actually has great writing.
@@pizzapower3166 exactly. just create new shows with diversity. People will love them no matter what if it has good writing. Race swapping ariel is not a solution. It shows how 'lazy' they are to come up with new ideas and how they milk money from previously successful shows
@@pizzapower3166 Or just make a good movie like Encanto, the work will stand on its own merits. The fact that it is about hispanics should be just a side note w/an opportunity for different folks to experience aspects of hispanic culture. Leave it at that.
Name one marketing campaign that’s done that, incel?
I've been saying it!! After suffering through a couple episodes of Rings of Power, my only conclusion is that there is NO WAY it was made terrible on accident. It was 100% a billion dollar Amazon commercial, made to piss off fans, and hiding behind it's POC. More controversy means more reviews, more mentions, more attention.
That's why Disney did that to the Little Mermaid, and now they are whining that the movie caused a "hate movement"
Multiple directors, producers, actors, etc have admitted in interviews their dislike for the original content (The Witcher, Thor, Snow White, Star Wars, etc).
Your line "using actors as both weapons and shields" is so spot on. I don't understand why it is so difficult for certain groups of people to not see how they are being used by these media corporations, politicians and so on as pawns in this war against sanity. Well done as always friend.
They probably do see it, but they're in a very precarious spot. "Here's a suitcase full of money every day -- but say one wrong word and you're back to washing cars."
Remember Mark Hamill trying to warn people off the new SW? He's old, and he's already made his money and his place as Luke and Joker, but most of them either can't afford to rock the boat or just don't care.
It's the same way they use all the people Soros' NGO's cause to flood into the nations and how they use any possible minority group to attack the majority -- not so much because those people are a majority but because of their stable views on how the country should be run. Soros and company require chaos and massive changes in order to get people to accept an altogether reality, eating bugs, living in pods, etc. while those powerful people gain every bit of the rest of the wealth and contol over the populations.
@@stevenscott2136 There's an interview out there of Patrice O'Neal where he basically said the same thing, paraphrasing, "They throw all this money in your face and give you access to these fancy things because they know once you agree to be chewed up and shat out by the beast, they own you."
He said that was a big reason he never really played nice with Hollywood execs, because he didn't want to be in place where they could leverage his livelihood against him in order to control him.
Because these media corps, politicians, etc. appeal to these groups emotions, not their brains, it’s devilish brilliant and we can all fall for it we stop paying attention
"It's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he's been fooled."
I’ve noticed how in almost every kids movie, not only is the male lead is weak and submissive, and the female is condescending and dominant - but they continually hit and beat the boy. Lesson for the children: domestic violence is totally fine as long as a girl does it. Sadly I’ve seen my daughter copying the behavior, and we’re having to teach her that it’s not OK… what the %#*# is going on!?? How is this getting past test audiences!?
Especially in anime, the tsundere stereotype is just overbearing and frankly bitchy.
@@joelgittens6857 What makes anime just a little more believable is that tsundere are usually understood as employing this attitude a defense mechanism, while it really signals a concealed attraction or admiration. This is very common with women who hold themselves to a standard, and don’t want to come off as too willing
I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this. Already when I was a kid, I noticed that in kids movies or other media a female lead will be great, smart, strong and everything and a boy lead will be the comedic relieve. Sometimes it even portrays every male character as a stupid moron who most likely has to figure out how to breathe every morning.
@@antithesentv305👍👍👍
Well, yeah, but men are the majority that get everything and oppress everyone else, didn't you hear?
And then these people wonder why male suicide rates are so high
I find it interesting that you brought up that controversy is only created “so that the fact that what they’re writing is trash isn’t brought up”
Like how messed up is it that they create controversy and only cast POC people and women to use them as marketing ploys.
My mom recently told me that there is a rule in filmmaking or system set up where there HAS to be POC present in your film or tv show.
It feels very handholdy when they make a character just their race. Like “ oh my goodness everyone look, we made this character black/Hispanic/Asian!!! Please come watch our thing!”
It’s very grotesque honestly. As if they’re throwing us a bone having us as characters in their shows.
I never really cared if someone who looks like me was on screen, it was nice but I never found it of upmost importance. I was always more focused on the story and whether it was good or not. I also never really enjoyed it when we were paraded around as something that needs focused on in any show or movie or game.
It just doesn’t sit right with me, like why shouldn’t matter what they look like?
And studios are trying to pull this as well, but it’s evident that they’re trying to make it about race.
The thing that I hate is going on right now is when a studio is creating a movie or TV show set in Europe or some medieval-setting-fantasy-time and there are just obscure Black people in the background or depicted as people of authority that would be accepted in that setting.
If they’re trying to pertain to modern audiences and reflect on history, it seems extremely ignorant to totally ignore the truth of what would really be happening during that time.
Someone who looks like me would not be treated with any respect in that kind of era. I would be a slave. I would be locked away in a boat to be shipped away to some country where I would serve the rest of my life as one.
Now that kind of fantasized history is something we can wish for all we want and try to depict in our shows and movies, but it doesn’t sit right with me. It seems blind and trying to “make up for” or “appease” its woke audience.
Agreed.
I think it's extremely disrespectful to black people and hell, everyone who was ever victimised to attempt to change history like that. It's so gross.
Bad things happened and we need to remember so we can do better.
And I think people who need representation have a massive ego problem.
I mean, I'm a disabled woman but I don't need movies and shows about disabled women, it's self-absorbed and childish lol
You're somewhat mistaken about attitudes towards Black people in medieval Europe. Such a person would be a curiosity because most people would have never seen one. The king might even want you at his court as a status symbol, to show how powerful and important he was to have such an exotic courtier. There might be slaves depending on the country, but they'd mostly be of the same race as the rest of the population, White masters in Europe owning White slaves and Black slaves in Africa owned by Black masters. The racialization of slavery is a result of the post-Medieval colonization of the Americas. Slaves were cheap and plentiful in Africa. They had resistance to Old World diseases and had a harder time escaping because they were unfamiliar with the land unlike Native Americans. And while early on Black slaves and White indentured servants were treated similarly and often worked together to achieve better conditions, and free Blacks initially had the same rights as free Whites including ownership of slaves, race provided a convenient fault along which to divide the lower classes and a way to rationalize brutal treatment by casting the victims as subhuman. But even during the height of slavery, there were always free Blacks, so no one would be putting you in chains just for being Black. Basically, the reason these depictions you're describing are inaccurate is because there just weren't many Black people in medieval Europe, not because they were mistreated.
@@cameleopard42 This point of view is very fascinating. Thanks for the information, I never knew any of this.
Also agree, it’s weird what they’re doing with the Witcher series which is set in Northern Europe. There are actually POC in the lore, but instead of having those characters around they changed characters (who are blood relatives of other non-POC characters) instead. They’ve gotten so far off the story track their changes likely won’t even matter but there’s definitely a right and wrong way to have diversity in the cast.
I remember reading that racism only come about after the colonialization of the Americas to justify the slave trade and it simply did not exist before then
I had no problem with Jason Momoa playing Aquaman, because it seems appropriate for the king of the sea to be played by a Pacific Islander, and because Momoa replicates the “Underwater Conan” look of the 90s. But it makes zero sense to have someone literally called Snow White be played by a nonwhite actress.
It's so frustrating watching ALL of my favorite live action franchises stoop to such mediocrity. If back in 2007 you told me we'd be getting a Halo series, an Obiwan and Boba Fett series, a new Star Was trilogy, a new Jurrasic Park trilogy, two new Resident evil projects unrelated to the original film franchise, all the marvel content you could ask for and a billion dollar LOTRs series I would have probably died from excitement overload. But the mediocrity that they have become is beyond any disappointment that words could ever express.
Link to the clip of reason why modern movie suck
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I've already forgotten that there's a Halo series. 🤣 Goes to show you just how forgettable Hollywood runoff truly is these days.
FACTS
@@JohnGardnerAlhadis Haha! I forgot its existence too!
It's tragic to see the state of live action entertainment. It's just a total disaster. I remember having such amazement at the quality of cinema when watching the actual LOTR trilogy in theaters. That was a beautiful experience. Now? There's nothing that comes close and I don't think there will be anything that comes close for a long time.
All I can say is...thank god for Japan and anime. They just don't give a damn and focus on making the things they want. And they are still producing great shows and franchises.
Seeing the fan attacks for Rings of Power, was more than enough proof that Amazon can’t take an iota of criticism!!!
Truth
No one in Hollywood can. Welcome to the participation trophy generation. Thats what happens when people get applauded by their parents for pissing in a toilet at the age of thirty.
Fuck these bots, man.
So much for the Amazon creed "Amazon's “Day 1” mentality is our approach of doing everything with the energy and entrepreneurial spirit of a new organization on its first day. Working to earn and keep our customers' trust is the single biggest driver of Amazon's Day 1 approach."
It's all being done on purpose. It's called "fan-baiting". It's a marketing technique designed to generate artificial controversy, garner publicity, and explain away negative reviews by playing the victim and gaslighting the reviewers as being bigots. This way, the movie or show gets its own victim status and is praised by all the virtue signalers and activists as being "stunning and brave" regardless of how bad the intrinsic artistic content really is.
I just thought Hollywood had finally run out of ideas. Glad I grew up going to see movies in the 70’s, 80’s and even the 90’s.
„Fan-Baiting“ is an art form that makes the fans take the bait, yet fails to catch any prey (putting arses into seats).
Never forget: Big studio filmmaking is a monetary business first, and only an art form second.
If lecturing the public through art is your primary goal, you better have some hefty cash stack to burn through.
I love how Disney came to the defense of Rose from Star Wars. Only to give her the shaft in the final movie, because that's how toothless they really are.
They defended her in the US. They dumped her because of China...
Or turned the main black character into the comic relief and called the fans racists
@@techvirus And removed Finn from posters in China, because Disney knows many Chinese viewers ARE racist and Disney still wants their money.
@@techvirus Or removing said character from the posters in china.
"The sad reality is: controversy creates attention"... so basically how social media and "algorithms" work as well.
However, in the movie business where you need revenue, it doesn't create customers.
Okay soo... I've kinda become a conspiracy theorist about this shit at this point. Like no joke, I don't think projects like Rings of Power makes any money from bad publicity. I'm actually thinking that the corruption and inhumane toxicity of our political landscape is beginning to compromise our media. Well no shit right? But seriously... What if go woke go broke wasn't true. What if these projects were privately funded in the first place? Hear me out...
So our political landscape is rife with corruption. Statistics from activists groups and government agencies alike intentionally show a small part of the full picture about a particular issue, but just enough to the extent that the blame could be directed in a place where it objectively doesn't belong. Prejudice in America for example is definitely a problem, but I personally don't really think it's as much an issue as our politicians make it out to be. For the sake of argument, let's say that social injustice in western society is across the board the lowest it has ever been. So then, how do you justify your social justice program? Well... you go on a witch hunt. You go find every single person who has ever said or done anything even remotely hinting at their slightly skewed perception of another oppressed group and bring it into the public eye and slander them for it. That at least explains political correctness. But there's more...
So then let's say maybe that isn't effective enough or maybe you want to do more to prove that racism exists. The next step would be to go out of your way to force it out of people by fabricating it. You take beloved movies that were created in a northern European fantasy setting and give it a blm face lift while simultaneously inserting a disproportionate amount of other oppressed groups into the main cast until the property is so far away from what you would expect from a Lord of the Rings film that you are actually kind of frustrated about it. People give it dislikes and angry comments on social media and *bam. You have 'racism', 'sexism', 'homophobia', 'transphobia', 'misogyny'... and everything you would need to justify your social justice programs.
But I'm not sure. Maybe I'm completely wrong about this, but I really do think there's a lot of money backing these terrible decisions. It makes sense from a broad scope perspective. It fits right in with the pure definition of victimhood narcissism. And as long as you are getting money from people who are willing to help with your cause, why not continue? Especially if it financially sustains you.
It's the same mentality as "There is no such thing as bad PR"
Right! It's the same approach as the US TikTok approach China takes.
Yeah, though it doesn't work quite as well for Hollywood. Pretty much all their movies are not only boring infantile supervigilante in a too tight speedo pants, they are losing so much money that the studio's are collapsing and they need to buy eachother up to prevent a bankruptcy collapse.
Movie studios have always hated their fans. It's rare exceptions where you get a faithful and loving adaptations.
Maybe but at least they made good movies back in the day that entertained people instead of lecturing them.
This just made me realized why they probably cast a black actress to play Anabeth in the upcoming Percy Jackson show. Or maybe just explain why nobody looks like they are supposed to in general. I know it's probably a nitpick but I've been super fan of those books since I was like, 13, they made me obsess with reading and to this day they original books are my favorite all-time series but...idk, I'm just not vibing with the show mostly because of some actor choices. I know it petty, but I've spent years imagining those charterers in a certain way (Because of how they were described in the source material) and its just jarring to see them any other way.
No need to apologize, it’s not petty on your part…it’s fake sheep minded Hollywood messaging that lacks complete respect for the original source material…you have every right to feel this way ❤
The biggest part is that ignoring basic character design choices from the source material shows a willingness to ignore other matters, and they stack up quickly. When you are ignoring basic tenets of a character, such as casting a black actress as a character that is repeatedly described as having platinum blonde hair etc, it goes to show that you aren't really that interested in showing the original media on its own merits. The new Annabeth is just as jarring as the original movie series attempt having the characters all be ~16-18 when you first meet them, completely throwing away the entire "growing up with an absentee god parent coming back in the picture" side plot. It doesn't help that hollywood loves to try to tell the public what to enjoy, as if they aren't just the weird theatre kids from high school that just happen to make a lot of money. That money usually resulting from already being connected to studio execs via family from the beginning.....
@@ShaggyRogers1 Thank you, you put into words exacly why I felt the series was somehow off
Ignoring basic character design from the source material is a very overt sign that there’s no respect for the source material. Character design is integral to the world building that the original creator engaged in.
"The biggest part is that ignoring basic character design choices from the source material shows a willingness to ignore other matters, and they stack up quickly."
Like the 2000's movie. There were so many absurd changes I'm convinced they intentionally dumbed it down for -normies- general audiences.
Fanbaiting actually explains the crazy noticeable drop off in quality in the last 6 years perfectly. God I hate movie studios, it honestly is driving back to just reading books and saying screw you to movies in general.
Maybe being driven back to books, indie films, and walking outdoors isn't such a terrible thing, though! The way Hollywood had been going since the late 1990s, with product placements and agendas dictating more and more of the script and mise-en-scene, this was bound to come.
@@castafioreruby9937 I'd suggest you watch any of the Bond movies ... there's product placement practically from day one.
It's not 'new'.
It is more noticable if you are of the same generation/region as the movie.
Demolition Man ('93) even swapped out a line about Taco Bell for Pizza Hut depending on what region it was released in ...
Try to develop a taste for silent film. There's probably a thousand full length ones on here. They're more like painting meets music rather than the traditional talkies or the ones that were made after 1929. You can pause them and come back because it's a pretty intense viewing experience. You can't look away really that much and expect to have the dialogue carry you. Lon Chaney is a good one to search for but make sure it's the father not the son.
@@magmasunburst9331 Thank you, I will try.
@@NotTheStinkyCheese You're absolutely right. I'm not saying these things started in the '90s, just saying that the bubble had to burst sometime. Looks like this is the end, right now.
"Why Disney is still successful despite all this: their fans hate themselves even more than the studio does."
Disney is living off their amusement park revenue, it will take a while still for that to drop as they keep destroying their IPs
It's baffling.
Why Disney is still successful: they're funded by Blackrock
@@smokingcrab2290 this
@@smokingcrab2290 That too, for sure. It goes perfectly hand in hand with the self-hating fanbase.
These actors are most definitely not just "honest people looking for their big break." They go into it with full knowledge of what the company and them are doing, and they relish the controversy and excuses to call fans racist. Listen to Disa's whiny ass actress bellow on about progress
You're the fucking best, Drinker. I found your channel originally by looking for something that explained the empty feeling at the end of Rings of Power, and now I feverishly look forward to your next videos. You put into words an opinion that is both poetic and blunt, and the sarcasm makes your material incredibly unique. We need people like you voicing the opinions of counter-culture that don't come off as either racist extremists or mindless drones which agree with article titles, and I think you walk the line of respect and disdain quite perfectly. Whatever you recommend, I watch. I never would have found Arcane without your video, and I never would have understood why the world of Tolkien felt so wrong.
Is there any way to tip you?
"Why Modern Movies Suck - They Hate Their Own Fans" sums it up perfectly
Every recent movie.
✅ White man is the villain
✅ Black man is the hero
✅ Woman has the balls
✅ Dad is an idiot
✅ Mom is the breadwinner
✅ Children don't respect their parents
Movies are now social engineering, not entertainment.
"We have to reflect the world we live in today"
Then why TF do I not see any Starbucks and livestreaming hobbits, and dwarves on Twitter in Middle Earth, huh?!
That's why I like how the Cobra Kai series makes subtle fun of the current "modern times" soyboy, feminazi, woke, SJW twitter cancel culture. *Love it!*
@@RCLIM-yx8gv exactly, even older movies didn't always reflect the sensibilities of the times they were made in. they would be period pieces and show the sensibilities of the time period the story was set in.
Man there are Great movies too with Black cast
Like Planet of th-
A good example of the fan base power over the industry was when they memed Morbius so hard that Sony thought the movie was a success and re released it only for it to fail for a second time 😂
@MR map what?
It's Morbing time
And now it has a sequel confirmed...
I remember seeing memes the very next day asking for Sony to do it again because every body was busy that week lmfao
The studio got Morbed i guess
Who owns the studios that are using these actors as weapons and shields? And what could possibly be their motivation for turning everybody against each other? 🤔
Endtimes. Preparation for new world order. It is like it is.
6 gorillion studios inc.
The ruling class.
Obviously, they are just distracting us from the giant cows that are being milked and treated as business and not living things
(note: I eat meat, not a vegeterian)
Population control, money, power, ego. Explains every single current social condition.
I pretty much agree with everything you've ever said, except for your characterization of the Anakin versus Obi-Wan fight in revenge of the sith. It's a fairly well choreographed fight with only a few bad shots. Anything that you might find physically impossible for a normal human is easily explained by the fact that these are basically two highly capable space wizards who are able of enhancing their own bodies abilities with their space magic.
A very good example of this is Prey. Generally, audience response was very positive, and even fans of The Predator said it was a good film, even if it had little to do with The Predator. However, articles were written and Twitters posted about how toxic fans hated the movie. Except, they didn't. This proves that Fanbaiting is not a reaction to fan response but a deliberate marketing ploy. They assumed fans would hate the movie, and they were mostly wrong.
In/Frame/Out even did this in his video on Prey, intererupting his otherwise interesting analyisis of Prey in order to give a cringey and pandering diatribe about how people who critisize Prey for being woke are mysoginistic weirdos, and even had a brief shot which said "Mary Sue: When a Woman can do something a man does, but the film doesn’t drop what it's doing to prove that. (According to Critical Drinkers and other a**holes)." I love I/F/O. He has good taste in movies, is great at analyzing film, and I love anyone who unironically likes Freddy Got Fingered. But that moment made me internally cringe.
Well. People don't really care much for Predator. because its had many rediculous movies afterwards. its not a "universe" go really get invested in. i didn't think prey was very good. just meh. but who would even really care. its not a movie people would get very upset over.
Interesting point. Although it wasn't great I did enjoy it. I wonder if anyone is going to approach these journalists and ask them for hard evidence on their claims?
For every obviously terrible corporate project you see go support an independent creator that actually deserves your attention instead
Evidence? When was the last time journalists nowadays worried about evidence?
Can we have a moment of appreciation for Dune managing to avoid all this shit by simply being good?
It bears mentioning that two of the producers on that are Frank Herbert's son Brian and the guy he coauthored all of the follow-up Dune novels with. All that matador stuff regarding Paul's grandfather came from one of those books.
Amen
The thing is, Dune does have a more racially diverse cast than the 80s movie.
But nobody really noticed much because they were too distracted by how good it was.
And Top Gun Maverick.
I did not like Dune, but, I understand the point that you are trying to make.
Just discovered this channel yesterday with the excellent Witcher 2 recap. This video is superb also. Kudos, expertly put.
Storytelling can be a powerful tool for activism, but only if it's good, meaningful, and thought-provoking.
Bad storytelling can actually work against activism, and bad stories that just so happen to have diversity can give legitimate a$$holes more ammunition to use when arguing against adding diversity in fiction.
Indeed
and this is why rey was a step backward for female leads in fiction, not a step forward
Yep
It's mostly antivism.
That means sit at home, preach on the internet and then go about your live as before.
That is also what the me too-movement was. THey complained about how Hollywood is and then went back to playing their part in Hollywood. They didn't walk away.
The absolute most frustrating thing that Hollywood is doing with casting diverse characters is that they are so preoccupied with diversity that they are doing it all for the wrong reasons and not giving these characters proper and worthwhile character arcs to actually give a crap about.
yes now women or poc, their character often comes down to being a minority (and a victim) living stereotyped intrigues reinforcing this idea, and/or they are presented as flawless and always right, even when they are occasionally wrong and behaving stupidly. Instead they could be writen like complex individuals living universal things most of the time (what happens in real life) and not being perfect
right?! And these roles tend to be 'the scraps', with the leading roles still going to white actors. It's diversity by tokenism - they're never going to cast a person of color as Galadriel. Now I'm Caucasian, but I would love to see an all black cast in a African-based mythological tale with a really solid plot (and no stereotyping). But Hollywood won't take risks on new projects, so they hash and re-hash existing stories, the vast majority of which were written from a white perspective.
Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should.
It goes beyond just casting choices (or quota’s), studios are doing the same thing with script writers and directors/producers/etc.. Despite huge budgets they are all just amateur high school A/V club experiments.
Diverse just means less white people and diversity is just the excuse for enacting more white erasure. biologically and culturally.
The two extremes of this is Top Gun, and Star Wars.
Top Gun had a message thanking fans before the movie even started.
Star Wars had Mark Hamill throw away a lightsaber.
Yep, and that's why it blew every movie recently out of the water with some of the best user ratings in the last 5 years. No politics, no "MESSAGE", no forced diversity, or trying to jam a narrative down our throats, and without the actors or people that worked on the film lecturing us outside of the movie 24/7, instead Tom thanked the fans.
No wonder it did so well. Taking a ****in' hint, Disney?
@@aa-ze5cz I disagree about "no MESSAGE". Top Gun was literarily a recruitment piece for the Navy. A movie that glorifies military service has a hidden message specially for the youth.
@@guapitok4 I think you're reading WAAAAY to into it. So every firefighting movie is a recruitment for firefighters? Every sports movie is a recruitment for people to get into that sport? Every cooking movie is a recruitment for chefs/waiters? C'mon man....
What I'm talking about is I didn't have to sit down and be berated because I'm of a certain gender, sex, political or social affiliation, or hit over the head about diversity while shaming me and the public about what we need to do, all the meanwhile Hollyweird being one of the most hypocritical group of people alive.
@@aa-ze5cz you are over generalizing what I said. Not every movie is a recruitment piece. I’m just pointing out that using Top Gun as a symbol of a “no message” in movie is wrong. The movie clearly has a message that glorifies the Navy.
@@jonathanayala7345 lol, okay.
I did never even get this “art has to be accessible for everybody” sentiment… like, no it doesn’t. Why would it?
Accessibility is not even a criteria by which art is or should be judged and valued. But I forgot that they are not really trying to create art, but a product, for which accessibility of course is important.
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I sat next to my sister when she watched "girly movie" of "Sisterhood of Traveling Pants" - it is a romance drama clearly not marketed towards men. But this film simply offers a compelling story. Of course the main characters of this film is the girl groupie has a "silly ritual" and their "traveling pants" gimmick, but it was presented in a way that it emotionally suck you in and give you the actual feels - because well, men have feelings too, and girl stories are human stories too. The men characters are side characters here, and everything is compellingly presented from the female perspective and point of view. I don't feel their concern or worries to be "whiny" or even cringey at all. It maybe nothing special, but a neat film that tells a good heartwarming story about western female friendships.
Ghostbusters 2016 is simply bad in every aspect, the lazy joke, and the annoying recycled characters (why can't they just be a fresh new characters like how the cartoon did) - and then there is the big question: how are these guys friends for real? They are not presenting any compelling story, and you can tell that they are just acting it out like overpaid pretentious comedian doing multi million dollar silver screen project. It is hard not getting cynical when they tried waay too hard to be funny. They don't feel like real people. The male characters are annoying as hell, and it is quite a miracle why they don't give the "empowered" females a chance to really kick their arses. Since everyone in the movie are awful, there is simply no redeeming quality here. While the billionaire-backed western media lauded the movie out of political peer pressure or whitewash their funding source controversies, I started to learn to ignore them. It is a capitalist product that uses feminism and progressive politics as a marketing crutch. I just wish these socio-political influence peddlers has as much integrity as their tree-hugging counterparts. They gladly accept the paycheck and money invested by "partiarchy-dominated" industry and yet whined for profits to their indifferent corporate sponsors on behalf of feminism.
If anything good can be taken from the pandemic is how the industry is being brought to its heels, and how a lot of gullible consumers are getting used to not having to see a "movie" every single week and be more selective about their consumption choice.
It's interesting seeing movie studios adapt to a market where they *know* their products will fail. They're instead monetizing the outrage.
Viewers give money. Bad reviews don't do squat.
the small hats no longer need money they have all of it. they want to demoralize you
The only thing they're doing is damaging their own credibility and reputation, and driving more revenue to true critics like the drinker. Both are not bad outcomes in my opinion.
No one I know considers the squeal trilogy our the other crap that's been pooped out the last 5 years to be canon. No one.
It is not about the money, it is about pushing The Agenda. 😄
@@Fridaey13txhOktober Hollywood was better when they were more about the money. But cmon, they always were pushing an agenda. They were just more subtle about it in the old days.
As always, the Drinker's take on these issues is spot on.
Don't want backlash? Make good movies & shows. Don't fuck with source material. Don't expect great content by just pitching "let's make XX (Ghostbusters, LoTR, etc, etc), but with chicks/minorities/etc". Don't hinge $100M projects on unproven directors & writers who've only written papers in gender studies.
In the immortal words - That's all I've got...go away now.
Backlash makes headlines, headline make tweets, tweets mean publicity. These are people shameless enough that any publicity is good. Hate-watchers buy tickets too.
1) Not a fan of RoP - didn’t make it past ep 1, bad acting / script
2) However if we were to strictly interpret all source material, we would be a society living under the laws of the Old Testament…
White Jesus was the OG affinity casting/re-interpretation?
Same argument can be made for the constitution - re: don’t fuck with the source material (e.g., women’s suffrage, 14th amendment)
@@Bronte6497 no the constitution has a mechanism to add changes because the founders did not want future generations to be constrained by the past. Thats why we have them amendments
I've got four words for you: "A Christmas Story Christmas." It picks up on the story of the previous film four decades later, and shows Ralphie happily married, with two children, dreams of a writing career, and absolutely no emasculation or deconstruction of his character. The nostalgia is plentiful, including flashbacks to the original, but it's there to help drive the story (Ralphie comes back to his childhood house after his old man passes), while it still adds new things to the mix. Mom told me to think of it as a love letter to the original, which it is.
i really love this channel. it neatly verbalizes how ive felt about modern movies for years
I'm tired of companies trying to act like they have better morals than anyone else.
exactly. like what are they trying to prove
Yea and it's coming real thick when you know those companies value greed and corrupt moneymaking more than the lives of their own employees. Anything that fetches a high dollar is all they care about. Yet they think they can act like the good guy and expect people to see them that way. The lack of self-insight is stunning.
@@Real_MisterSir : I think they see "moral outrage" is a way for them to make money. They've seen how controversial topics have gained massive attention on social media platforms and they shoehorn those topics into established franchises. If they really wanted to address certain issues, they could have done it without using established franchises, but they won't do it because people won't watch.
Its called gaslighting to conform to their agenda.
Winning comment. I hate being lectured to by an unscrupulous gigantic conglomerate like it's better than any of us.
Just remember industry, the Sonic movie became a success and a franchise BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO THEIR FANS!!!!!
Well, Jeff Fowler is a fan himself who knows the characters and series, but he's also a competent director and a real humble guy to boot.
I've seen both films and think they're great! I especially love what they did with Knuckles!
Can't say the same thing about the IDW Sonic comics, though...
And the media outlets all decried this, as if changing an aspect of a movie that fans disliked was akin to negotiating with terrorists.
@@KasumiKenshirou The media loves to bash on Sonic, frankly. They only liked him in the 90s because he was a fad to them.
I'm still wondering who the hell thought the original design was a good idea to release to all of us in the first place before the redesign. The first design was so terrible that really nobody in the crew members thought "yeah this is terrible, we should redesign it"
They're pretty crap movies tbf
I remember a few years ago, because of Ghostsbusters 2016, the original 1984 Ghostbusters was put on a 'Red Flag' list - a list designed to tell you if a person is toxic, literally stating "If they like any movie on this list, they might be a toxic individual." Yes, Ghostbusters 1984 was a centerpiece on it, almost seeing the original movie as if it was made to preemptively counter the all-woman version a few decades earlier.
The culture or celebrity worship and moral entitlement that we see these days is part of what makes movies suck so much. Producers only want to enrage and divide their fans for profit, by ruining the source material in the process. It's disgusting.
Remember when Better Call Saul ended, and we got a 2 minute segment of all the actors giving us, the fans, a big and sincere thank you? I was honestly moved. Media has been forcing all sorta of political garbage down my throat, and calling me racist for not enjoying it. And here comes an 11/10 show, that is amazing to watch, that doesn't push the message, and then thanks me for making the show possible, by being a fan. A rare feeling these days. It goes to show that when you have top class acting and writing, you don't need to shame and attack people into liking your show. I wish we got more of that.
I regularly leave comments on small channels to show appreciation, perhaps something that small makes a different and brightens somebody's day
The pervasive self-importance of so much of the movie/TV industry mainstream makes it essentially impossible to thank anyone but themselves. Everything that isn't positive is a personal affront that must come from some illegitimate source. When you live inside that sort of bubble you're certain to increase your failure rate and by consequence increase the depth of paranoia and vitriol inherent in your reactions to every tiny little remark made at odds with your own perceived "perfection" of both you and your product.
@Raylan Givens Kim was extremely well written. She felt like a real person. Both breaking bad and better call saul are so good to watch because all the details mattered. Even if they stretch reality or coincidences, it was full of grey moral areas, themes, and humor that isn’t cheap one liners.
Great show, great characters. No message or politics. Unfortunately, I seem to be the only person that didn't like the second half of season 6.
Vince Gilligan is one of the few genuine talents and genuine great people in the business these days.
C.S. Lewis once said, "In the highest aesthetic circles, one now hears nothing about the artist's duty to us; it is all about our duty to him. He owes us nothing, we owe him recognition, even though he has never paid the slightest attention to our tastes, interests, or habits. If we don't give it to him, our name is mud. In this shop, the customer is always wrong." He said this some sixty or seventy years ago. The man had the modern world pegged perfectly.
Read "Out of the Silent Planet" by C.S. Lewis
@@janusn9 I've read the entire space series. I especially liked That Hideous Strength.
People like that don't peg an age of the world, they peg human nature and make their words apply to all ages.
Damn that's deep...
@@nathansto2900 And that is fundamentally why we don't see that kind of wisdom in our [current year] paradigm. Modern people don't believe in a fundamental human nature, they believe that everything is a product of social systems.
Great work as usual… Love your channel Drinker!
Although I agree with Drinker here on many points regarding this topic, I think there’s a deeper issue at the foundation of this recent trend in fan baiting. Unfortunately I have neither the knowledge or ability needed to tackle the subject matter in an articulate enough manner to which it needs to be properly addressed. There is thankfully a CZcamsr who does this amazingly well, so if this discussion interests anyone then I would love to refer you to…
Living Anachronism -
“Defending Tolkien”
They hate the fans because writers, directors and actors of today are REALLY salty that studios are more interested in milking old franchises rather than make new original products. These "creators" spent all that time and money in university to become Hollywood big shots and get their totally original do not steal ideas made and become super famous. But movies and shows can be a gamble because making something completely new means that you don't have an established fanbase to ensure some success. Your marketting will have to be more careful and the product will have to actually be good. But with reboots and sequels, you don't have to because with an established IP means an established fanbase. There's a lot of people who already know about the story, characters, world, etc. that for most they'll pay to see it just because it's familiar. All you gotta do is use nostalgia baiting in your marketing and every now and then in the actual finished product and it'll please someone familiar with it to an extent. It doesn't even have to be that good of a finished product because all those fans you've baited will have already paid to see it and so the cost recoup will be better than if it was something completely new.
This I think is why for so long, Studios didn't bother with quality control when releasing all these woke reboots/sequels cause they were confident enough in the nostalgia that it wouldn't matter. And those involved in making the stinkers know this so while of course they'll keep certain things that the studio demands (such as that nostalgia bait) they know they're basically free to make what ever changes they want. Because let's face it, the way these writers, directors and actors behave, it's clear none of them really want to work on what's really someone else's project. They didn't create Little Mermaid or Aladdin or Lord of the Rings. They wanted to make their own stuff but got saddled with making something else because the studios won't pay them for the original stuff. This makes them bitter and so they actively sabatoge the project by turning it into something completely different. It's envy and jealousy that drives them, and their hatred for having to do this project instead of what they want extends to the fans of the IP. They find it cathartic to destroy something beloved that they blame for why they'll never achieve their own dreams, and even more cathartic to see those who were fans hate the thing. They want fans to hate the IP as much as they do so they warp and twist and destroy what made it popular as if tarnishing the legacy will ensure that the studios won't ever try to do it again. When no beloved IP is beloved anymore, then the studios will have no choice but to take the gamble with newer original material.
But unfortunately for them, audiences are finally noticing the patterns and every reboot or sequel to a beloved franchise is immediately met with skepticism by everyone the second it's announced and even more so as the tell tale signs such as "diverse casting" in the promotional material is revealed. And it's clear to at least some studios that they can no longer just sit back and let showrunners do what ever they want. We're already seeing with DC and Warner that the new heads are trimming the fat over a lot of projects, even outright scrapping some that were basically ready for release because they were no longer confident in success. We're very likely going to see a lot more studio overreach and those in charge are gonna be taking a more active interest in the production of new products to ensure quality control. Whether this is actually a good or bad thing remains to be seen as studio interference has ruined plenty of films that had potential, but at this point I think a lot of them are seeing that their coffers are running dry and they can't afford to keep releasing garbage that no one bothers to watch.
All this Rings of Power nonsense led me to rewatch the Extended LotR trilogy this weekend after not having seen it for at least half a decade in its entirety, and I genuinely teared up once or twice, not only from being moved by what an achievement that it was, but lamenting the fact that film will never be made with that level of passion or love again. We're just making lesser people now, who aren't capable of it.
Denis Villeneuve is still very passionate, one of the few left
I just watched the extended fellowship of the ring yesterday with my friends, it was their first time. It was my 7th time, but I still cried and so did they. It's so incredibly beautiful, so much love and care was put into all three movies. One of my friends read the books, and one didn't and they both loved it equally. There's this amazing theater that shows classic movies sometimes, so we got to experience it on the big screen. We're going back next week, and the next to see the two other movies. I'm glad the show inspired you to rewatch the movies, they're just the best.
I am beginning to agree with you. Are we really living in the end of an Era? Will there be great artists and visionaries again? Or has the corporate greed eliminated them?
Same here, that and also watching folks on CZcams reacting to LOTR films, bring me more entertainment than Amazon's piece of shit Rings of Power.
The best movie trilogy of all time
By trying to fit a piece of media into a box that "matches the times we're living in", you miss out on the opportunity to make something timeless. It's the universal stories of human character (good and bad) that stand the test of time
To fit something into box you need to cut it
Perfectly said!!
and it also has to match the setting of the movie or tv show. If I make a movie about ancient greece, rome or china, it makes no sense to make it look like modern day europe or america. Zero sense. The immersion gets lost
For example, the actual Lord of the Rings trilogy. Whenever I watch it, I feel like I’m watching the events of a fantasy world (which I assume was the aim) instead of being lectured at about the then ongoing social issues. As a result, I can sit down and watch it in 25 years and still love it.
Underrated comment
Dude over the last three days you’ve basically become my favorite CZcams channel… this was brilliant
One reason for fanbaiting working so well even outside of traditional nerdish outlets is the creation of kingdoms of fanhood, who have people adapting their love for a bit of entertainment into an identity. These "fandoms" are bound and bred for pure toxicity. It's what Shatners "Get a life" speech on SNL was made for.
Disney: "That's it, no more Disney movies for you!"
Russia: "Oh thank God."
But fuck Russia still
Disney: "We're all about supporting diversity."
China: "We don't like you featuring Finn on your Star Wars posters."
Disney: "Finn be gone!"
Russia 😂
@@3lastname390 that happened or your just joking?
@@akirawilliams1749 I want to know as well! That's fucked up.
It's frustrating to hear someone imply that a work of fiction needs to include certain demographics in order to be "accessible". I've never felt alienated from a piece of media just because it featured demographics different from mine. If someone can't enjoy a piece of media without having characters of their gender/skin color/sexuality in a prominent role, then in my opinion, that's their bias at work, not a problem with the work itself.
Basically, they are calling "minorities" racist! 😄
Not your opinion.
FACT.
I love and can relate to Taylor Mason in Billions and I'm not non-binary.
I love and can relate to Ripley in Alien and I'm not a woman.
I love and can relate to Michael Corleone in Godfather and I'm not a sociopathic crime lord who has his own brother killed.
I love and can relate to Gollum in LotR and I'm not a ... whatever he is...
I love and can relate to Captain Kirk and I'm not an arrogant but brilliant star ship captain.
I love and can relate to Data and I'm not an android.
I love and can relate to Elliott and I don't have an Extra-Terrestrial as a friend.
I love and can relate to Rocket (City of God) and I never grew up in Rio's slums...
I love and can relate to ... well, pretty much any well written and well acted character... because I am a human...
But it must be well written and well acted.
Seven Samurai is one of my favourite films, but I have nothing in common with any of the characters culturally or physically. These race grifters are suggesting people can only empathise with their reflection in the mirror; that human characteristics and emotions aren't universal.
By their logic, Black Panther should have flopped
I began to watch this video expecting light entertainment but had to focus hard not to miss anything of this mindblowing analysis.
Great observation! We - in the know - have been putting up with this for years! Thank you for telling the truth, and doing it so very well!
There is only one way to stop this. Stop watching their movies altogether and go watch stuff made by people who actually love their fans. At some point they will have to realize their mistakes. But it won't happen if we keep feeding them what they want.
Can't believe people aren't doing this already.
You’re half right. Yeah to hell with the lecturing and the shaming and the lazy writing.
It’s not their job to wet nurse you though and pretend to love you.
They’re here to entertain (or so I thought) their customers.
Dunno about you but I don’t need a thank you. Entertainment is enough
True. Your attention is far more valuable than your dollar
Imo it is not about loving your fans but more about loving your work and your creation. You can feel the passion and love of the guys that produced great movies and shows.
Yea I'm quite the lotr fan but what I've heard so far is already enough for me to not even bother watching that bs
This is why apathy is the cure. Giving these toxic creators your attention and money is a mistake, for these people all publicity is good publicity. Don't hate watch or post hate reviews, watch stuff you like or better yet support good media and/or create your own. Essentially don't feed the troll.
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When fans collectively realize that new content doesn’t always mean it’s good content, that is when this will fade away into obscurity.
Remember kids: everything's OK with apathy!
Don't feed the trolls. Been saying that for years. It is the only way. You're a wise individual.
It's exactly like dealing with a narcissist. Probably because we're dealing with narcissists.
IT IS the fault of the actors for taking these roles and defending them.
You cant be picky about roles you get if you want to be employed.
@@andieallison6792 "I was only following orders."
Some actors pick these roles for that exact reason too. That's what happens when they're activists first and actors second.
@@jasperzanovich2504bit of an exaggeration dont you think? whats the alternative? the actors learn to code?
Drinker, this ploy is not limited to the movie industry. In fact, it's hard to find places where this isn't going on, politics, sports, employment and labor, education, etc.
Putting a Black person on screen is great and more of their stories should be told. Putting a Black person into a Northern European's role just to make a political point spoils the show. Putting a White person's stories on screen is also good. Putting a White person into an African's role just to make a political point spoils the show.
I say cast for a great performance. Theatrical performances have a long history of not casting to reality. Back in Shakespeare's day there were no women in theatre, so Lady MacBeth was played by a dude in a wig.I don't really care what color the actor playing the character is... if they actually take the time and skill to build the character, anchored in a well developed story. Denzel Washington was a brilliant MacBeth. He was riveting to watch. Too many movies have weak plots and zero character development. However I wholeheartedly agree that if you're assembling a diverse cast that doesn't make sense for your story simply to virtue signal -- we know what your doing, and its obnoxious.
Don't capitalize black or white. Race isn't a proper noun.
Give me one example of the latter
@@evanellis9178 Imagine if in Black Panther main character's sister was white. No explanation given and no character in the show would point it out, it would just be presented as completely logical. And if any viewer pointed out how nonsense that creative decision was, they'd be labelled as bigots and ignored. Sounds ridiculous, right? Well that's because it is.
@@evanellis9178 The point is that putting in something that doesn't make sense for it to be there is stupid, in both directions, you dunce.