DL Hughley Responds to Special Ed Saying NWA Brought Destruction to Hip Hop (Part 18)
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DL Hughley and Vlad revisit the impact of hip-hop group N.W.A on American culture. Hughley defends N.W.A's influence, opining that societal issues pre-existed the group's emergence in the '80s. He insists that hip-hop typically canvasses existing issues rather than creating new ones. While acknowledging that N.W.A's music may have exacerbated some societal issues, he points to legislative proposals such as Proposition 13 as the actual culprits, as they reduced resources and support systems within communities. Special Ed's previous comments blaming N.W.A for increasing violence in America were also discussed, with Vlad recounting how N.W.A's rise changed the demographics and intensified issues at events. However, both agree that scapegoating the arts is an oversimplification of deeply rooted systemic problems.
One more thing as for the N-word I remember growing up we were not allowed to use that word so one day I asked “ what’s the big deal? Why can’t I use the N-word everyone else uses it?” my father looked at me, and he said “ Baby Girl, when I was a boy the last word a black man or a black woman heard before a white man killed them was the N-word“ We are the only people that embrace a derogatory name that they’re oppressors gave them. it’s sick!
Unfortunately, you are correct.
And many of us make insane excuses and pass the blame for self-destructive behavior.
I'm mixed with black and white, but growing up I also always wondered how/why that got popular and adopted when it came from such a bad place. Still boggles me
Only 44 likes for your comment, and that's disgusting. Blacks in America have finally, willingly become everything that the disgusting racists have said about us for centuries. These filthy traitors embrace that word only to show that they are on the side of the devil. Just look at who they ALWAYS call their opps.
That's anecdotal the people around me were using it like Richard Pryor album it was literally every where in the 70's pre rap
@@ḵulagaaw And if you remember Richard Pryor’s albums, you also remember that there’s no difference between the “er” spelling and the ni66a spelling because Richard’s album used the hard “er”, and blacks just pronounce words the way they want to. It means the same thing no matter who’s slinging it. In Detroit today, people will be called that word right before the bullets hit. 85% of black Americans are black traitors.
Special Ed was talking about the music, not the community. We had just as much crime and violence in NY as they did in LA but the music was aspirational. Once the rappers and label execs saw how well west coast gangsta rap was selling, all rap music became gangsta rap.
This is a lie. All selling rap music did not become gangsta rap after NWA.
@@LurnWell@kenn.alexander is spittin fax. Once gangsta rap got its 2nd wind by way of Dre's The Chronic, the then positive impact of Kid n Play (House Party), Heavy D, Salt n Pepa and Native Tongues (tribe, De La, Jungle Bros, Black Sheep, LONS) all waned. Once The South and Lil Wayne took over from The West Coast hand-off, hip-hop got full ignorant as is now....
@@DominiqueMarsell Lies. More people purchased Big Willie Style by Will Smith than all Eyez on Me by 2pac. The RIAA counts double albums twice. Even MC hammer sold well "after" NWA. I remember Kid n' Play, but there was a time when Gangsta rap was the minority. It's a separate conversation from saying Gangsta rap started selling, and saying all rap became gangsta rap, just because that's all you hear. Too Short outsold nearly all of them back then as well. Check the stats.
I understand the level of violence and the influence of gangs, but we have to record history correctly. The balance and shift happened a lot later. Special ED comes from the bragging era, and many people hated HipHop back then as well. Rappers blaming other artists is ridiculous.
I usually agree with DL, But as someone who was around when NWA first came out,. I agreed with Special Ed 100% from the jump . PERIOD !!!!
You don’t think it’s a bit of both?
He's FROM L.A. so it makes sense that he'll act blind like it had NO EFFECT whatsoever on those teens during that time... it was ALL in the black shows in the early 90s... touching on gang violence and drugs
I was around when NWA first came out as well. The violence wasn't because of gangs, it was drugs. Look at the murders that was going on in New York early and mid 80's before NWA was even thought of.
Even a few years ago the treatment of black people in america has always been shocking, have you even heard the lyrics?, "fuck the police coming straght from the underground a young n**** got it bad cos he brown" kinda implies some kind of racial injustice but lets not concentrate on the reason the song exsists lets blame the reporter.
The older I get as a black man this whole "it's all society fault...and zero blame on personal decisions" not only makes me sick...but it also disrespects the majority of black ppl I know that grew up poor and didn't participate in crime and violence & killing their own
People ARE society.
Both things can be true at the same time. preposition 13 caused and terrible terrible effect and nwa romance of gang banging. when nwa made those records I don’t think they realize how big their voices were and the affect it had.
I've always blamed individuals and not society.
Great point.
@@electrixfyingipod6206 The problem is that most people only focus on the blame society part.
It wasn't the n-word. It was the popularization of prison culture that Special Ed was complaining about. But Gangsta rap as a genre popularized it. Not NWA in particular. DL missed it completely. It was like how many people saw Return of the Dragon and took martial arts lessons because they just had to be the man like Bruce.
NOPE!!!
NWA had nothing to do with prison culture tho
Ed was right and wrong... DL is right and wrong. The real question is why did gang music become so popular. We dnt own record labels and especially back then there was way more positive black power type rappers. Why did the labels push gang music?
@@Tuelz... Because rap is a business. NWA was going double platinum without radio, video & promo money vs. rappers that had full promo tours, street teams, radio, multiple video single roll outs & couldn't sell gold. Spending hundreds of thousands to introduce an artist & the label never recoup's vs. NWA who ship gold the first week without any promo money, just print the records & print the money. Record companies are not built on emotions, they are built on selling records.
Exactly. I grew up middle class and attended university with middle class blacks/Latinos who pretended to be gangsters because they thought it was cool due the music from NWA and the likes. The same can be said about Tupac. He did not grow up gangster but bought into that lifestyle when he realized he sell records by doing so. It cost him his life. Moreover social consciousness records and artists were purposely not promoted as much even though they were selling records successfully. That proves that Zionist owners of the record companies had an agenda to undermine, exploit and ruin black culture.
Look....... I'm 46 now and it hits different to me, music DOES have an effect on immature minds. I myself know it's entertainment, but those who LOVE the "Skreets", does seem to glorify violence in music.
I remember when PAC came out and I HONESTLY know dudes who literally got "Thug Life" on their stomachs and tried to do exactly what he was doing!! TRUE STORY!
I think it's up to the individual to separate entertainment from real life.
50 cent said in the movie Get Rich Or Die Tryin, "after Tupac, everybody wanted to be a gangster rapper"
it's not up to the individual it's up to everyone to take accountability for their actions (with great power comes great responsibility)
@@SprayedPepper it's up to the individual to separate what is entertainment from fiction!
Movies and music go hand and hand SMDH!!!!!
@@stickman1373 you been living in this white mans world too long dude. It's called influence (the most powerful force) smart guy and this is why a lot of people are obese, smoke cigarettes, weed, drink alcohol, pop pills, etc. The media plays a huge role in peoples lives and the research shows it. I care nothing about your opinion as you don't make sense so get statistics and/or facts to back your shit up then talk, you sound dumb ass hell right now SMDH
Did Gangsta Rap start urban violence? No, but it definitely AMPLIFIED IT.
Not statistically crime n murder rates werr higher in the 70s
How did it amplify it when statistically crime has generally gone down since it’s release?
@@1990maman Did you look at the graph? Homicide was going down for two years in a row and shot up the same year Straight Outta Compton came out. It then continued to go up the next year, and the next year, and the next year, and the next year.
Why has crime gone down? Multiple factors, including mass incarnation.
@@tinfoilkufis Straight out of Compton? Huh? 😂 What graph is this?
@@jay07261986no the hell they weren’t
I just don’t understand why no one has any comprehension skills. Special Ed said they brought destruction to HIPHOP… the genre/music/art form. Then record labels marketed and promoted this. If it had an effect on communities that was indirect. Poster said people were smoking weed befor Chronic smh. That is not what Ed is saying at all. DL has valid points but I think he misunderstanding Ed’s point. Glad is clueless.
One thing I think he did get wrong though is the use of the word “parody”. It’s more likely that Cube and them felt they were just _pandering to_ the neighborhood before it blew up, not _parodying_ the hood...
Yes ! Finally !
That's why? Ice cube/ O'Shea Jackson won't have a N.W.A! Reunion. It's beyond they personal beef/ business! 😢😢😮😮😢😮 That's what I believe, think bout it. Niggaz With Attitude! Rest In Heaven Easy 😎
Exactly... ED Said HIP HOP... how the heck they get on this tangit... Mf always flipping words around
@@rodneyharris5606 It's like he's intentionally trying to play dumb.
DL. Hughley has the funniest metaphors ever. That PAC-Man analogy killed me
That was a good one
They be hilarious 😂 but a deflection
Not its not a defelction bruh yall jist want us to be the fall guy @@bouddahlovee
That might prove games are a influence because Americans are fat
Hilarious 😂😂😂
I agree and I witnessed what happened on rap going from fun and positive too straight violence, drugs, sex and irresponsibility … Special Ed is correct.
We’ll never know how much of an influence music & movies truly had on people who joined gangs or became violent criminals, unless some study asks every person who turned to that life.
And even then, you can’t count on them to be honest because of how quickly people will blame anything else other than taking responsibility their own personal decisions.
Run DMC was great
Expand your thinking. Who signs the rappers? Who controls the content? Special E is short sighted and narrow. That’s why it’s important to know history. Why was Tupac a target and is more popular today? Why wasn’t Biggie targeted by the police and constantly harassed? Who renamed Reality Rap, Gangster Rap? Name the NWA member who’s in prison for being a gangster or engaging in Gangster activities? If you didn’t know, Cube has never been arrested for anything!!!
Can you really Say Wu-Tang didn't do the same thing? Crean got some hard core lyrics and that video had nothing but gangsters in it. Just cuz they wasn't gang bangers it wasn't the same type of content?
Facts
Crack was the straw that broke the camels back in LA. The early 1980s the crime rate sky rocked.
We all know why
In the early 80s because of crack the crime skyrocketed in every major city in America not just L.A. but also Chicago, Detroit, Miami, NYC, D.C. etc etc
Thank you. The crack epidemic in mostly poor black hoods was the main problem, not a bunch rappers. If all rappers did all songs like "The Message" "Self Destruction", the problems would have still been there just like it is today in poverty stricken black hoods. Gangs, drug dealing and violence happened to Italian, Irish and other communities when they were on the bottom and poor in the early 20th century.
"You can say the same about jazz"?? So, jazz had an effect on g@ng v!olence?? By that warped logic, throw in classical, country etc.,. What a doofus.
I normally agree with DL, but he’s in some denial. Being in between South Texas and Alabama at that time, gang banging and joining definitely blew up after NWA blew up. Kids thought that ish was cool and you would some of them reciting NWA lyrics who were in gangs. That jazz comparison didn’t make sense, either. Who the hell ever wanted to shoot heroin after listening to Miles Davis? 😅
Ed was right. In 1988, I was 11 years old in Oklahoma City, east side! Never heard of Crips and Bloods. NWA and Colors came out and all of a sudden, people who I grew up with were from California claiming Crip.
In 1992, I was 16 when the Chronic came out. My neighborhood friends all of a sudden started smoking weed. What happened? The chronic came out. Yes, Too Short and Quik were out talking about weed, but Dr Dre and Snoop made it popular to even the most square people.
Bruh stop the nonsense people been smokimg weed before the chronic
Bruh he's right. Weed has been around forever but when Dre came out with the Chronic, he made it cool for suburban country kids to smoke it. It didn't cause the problem but it was definitely gasoline on the fire. @@thelastdon9000
Bangin in Little Rock is a good example
@@ceeIocAccording to DL those gangs came up with the names Bloods & Crips themselves before hearing of west coast gangster rap, and created that way of dressing as well.
That's not true at all. I grew up in Southwest Georgia and it wasn't until NWA hit that you started to see Bloods and Crips in those small southern towns. I get what DL is trying to say but to sit here and pretend NWA had nothing to do with what happened is insane. @@GooniesNeverSayDie1980
This is the exact answer I expect from DL, nothing is our fault, therefore we're not required to fix it
He surprised me with that answer. Surely he's smarter than that
@@demond1818he is not i
@ChiraqPullupexactly did they cause all of these mass school shootings?
@CaliDiva82 they don't graduate enmass, have huge illiteracy rates, and are anti-intellectual. How could they if they barely attend school? Their mass shootings are in their own neighborhoods among family and friends.
HE DIDN'T SAY NOTHING LIKE THAT SO BE A VICTIM ON YOUR OWN!!!
You wrong DL. The kid in Little Rock didn’t know wtf Prop 13 was but they sure as hell knew Colors and NWA!!!
That because y'all was slow
prop 13 had a indirect affect on ppl and the youth in ways that we couldn't understand in our youth, and now it should make sense because we understand the importance of programs for the youth and how important it can be!!! YOUR point is accurate!!
Man we gotta take accountability for this. I hate that we tend to blame other things for what we should be responsible for.
Both of them are right
so instead we blame music? lol
DL making valid points.
Didnt create destruction but damn sure glorfied it. And i never thought ill say that as a long term fan and consumer but in my mid 30s, you cant even deny it
No one wants to ever admit what Special Ed stated. Im from New York and the youth immolated early rappers. We went from Slick Rick, Run DMC, Cool J, Public Enemy, Brand Nubian, to NWA degrading black woman, HOES & BITCHES, Gangster mentality visual, after NWA look how many of the conscious rappers in NYC deteriorated and the rise of gangster rapper rose up.
I ran into 2 of Eazy E's bodyguards in NYC during the New Music Seminar. One of Eazy E's bodyguards told, me there are some places in LA, NWA couldn't do live shows. Don't wrong I was a fan, of their music. Also Gangsta Rap give us love him or hate, Suge Knight...Lastly when was the last time, there was violence at a Jazz 🎺 concert?
Imitated, not immolated. I hate to be that guy, but I HAD to be that guy. Duty called.
Rap started out as party chants & boasts, then people wanted to express more of the realism of the streets & talk about social issues -- we are way past the "bitches & hoes" era yet people still can't mention rap without referring to "bitches & hoes".....Have you listened to any rap lately?
@@Tarantulisimorap is still stuck in its infancy it is trash to the soul.
@@Tarantulisimo We're still in that era my brother. Tf do you think rappers like Future and DaBaby rap about?
The influence of music is ridiculously powerful. Human beings emulate what's popular or what seems to be an image for success. Gangbanging, BBL's, fashion, RAPPING, etc. is all the result of what's been put into the media/TV programming. Things/fads/trends start small, but once they hit the media, it influences people under the age of 25.
And that's what Vlad is saying.
@@user-qx1bn9hu3c Older and smarter aint where the music hits.....its the young and the dumb
Just ask yourself, what has music influenced you personally to do? If you can answer this question honestly, then you could have a point. Otherwise you're just following the bs.
You're blaming someone or something else because you're a fool?
@@tedbaker114 Music artists influenced a lot in my life. When Dipset was poppin' , I was rocking a bandana just like Juelz. Kanye, Kid Cudi, and Pharrell influenced fashion to me at one point. Now that I'm older, I literally do my own thing. You're closed minded if you think music or what's in the media isn't influential, especially to younger people
MUSIC DEFINITELY INFLUENCED US IN THE HOOD AND STILL DOES🤷🏿♂️
This is why we are in this predicament now by not admitting and identifying these problems. nwa may not be the lone culprits of this problem but they are part of the problem we already knew what was going on in the hood before nwa they just glorified it even if they didn't live it themselves and as 50 year old black man I witnessed it personally
Facts.
Exactly 💯💯💯💯
Indeed
Exactly! He is either pretending like he does not understand psychology and the subconscious mind or he is ignorant about the profound effect of music and the messages with it.
Where about the same age and what you and I can both acknowledge the fact that when NWA came out they were just trying to be competitive with some of the very few hardcore artists coming out of respective cities whether it be New York philadelphia, etcetera. But that competitive entertainment became problematic when people started becoming influenced by the message and picking up on the imagery. Things got out of control. I don't think it was nwa's intention to bring destruction with their music, it just became destructive when it was unchecked.
Lol at him saying NWA was talking "their experiences".
No homeboy!
NWA and Gangsta Rap brought destruction to the black community and to black musicianship that's why today there are no more black bands like Earth Wind Fire,Kool and The Gang,The Time ect and no more singers like Whitney or Vandross because they all want to rap and sample music from computers
Amen 🙏
Man shut up
Exactly!
And in 2023 you can't even get a record deal if you're a conscious rapper and that's on the record labels. The popularity of Gangsta rap has taken over the culture here in Amerikkka no question
You spell AmeriKKKa like how I do. These white folks wanna see us destroy each other. They control the rap game. They choose what Black folks get to listen to.
It wasn't no different in the 90's bruh. Look at who all the most popular rappers were. Pac's first couple albums were conscious rap but he didn't start getting the recognition until he got with deathrow and started all that thug shit.
But whose fault is that?
You're moving like Black people own all these major record labels to begin with lol
@@MR12AMAZING that is correct 💯
@@MR12AMAZING but in the 90's conscious rappers were at an ALL TIME HIGH!!!!!!!! And for you to 3ven mention 2pac you sound like your from the suburbs or a mainstream fan! People didn't even consider him Great in the 90's that's the younger generation! When he was alive NO ONE called him 5he GOAT or he got all 5hks recognition that he receives now. And that's ONLY because he talked that stupid shit like getting high, making babies and violence! I rock with J Hova and Guys hate me for it but he's about the $ as am I so we agree on lots of things. And look how their careers went one is a Billionaire the other I say RIH and he's not forgotten
I was from Chicago, I'll say NWA put Compton on the map. We had no idea Compton even existed.
NWA definitely changed the fabric of hip hop
Special Ed opinion means WAY more than DL's
🧢
DL just makes excuses for everything and everybody never shows any accountability
@@315giantsand he's nowhere NEAR as intelligent as HE thinks he is
VLAD shut up! Straight Outta Compton was NOT eagerly anticipated. NWA was still relatively underground when that album dropped. N' 4 Life was highly anticipated. Straight Outta Compton happened to blow up. But not before. Now, here Vladimir is telling a black man about our shit. Go to your people. Please!!
I know, right???!!!
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Special Ed is correct. Somebody like DL Hughley can’t relate to that because he’s from LA. NWA changed small town America.
No they didn't bruh most of these cities already had gangs before nwa bruh even new York had gangs so no special is definitely wromg.
@@thelastdon9000I'm convinced people hate the west coast bro
@@thelastdon9000nyc aint small town America like, learn to comprehend
@@PJones-ke9koppl in suburbs and small towns that weren't use to violence and hood life had kids trying to emulate it, how hard is that to understand. No different than future having everybody wanting to pop molly,xans, percs, and sip lean. Same with how drill music having kids wanting opps and dissing the dead
@@showmestatefinest5412 bruh I didn't even say nyc at all bruh you need to learn how to comprehend at all bruh and it's been proven that gangs was going out to cities and starting a branch of hoods bruh NWA music is never mentioned because they never promoted that culture at all they just promoted west coast street culture
It truly amazes me that we as a black community continue to NOT take accountability for OUR actions and the negative effects its caused in our community.
We're so passionate about Hip hop and rap, that we continue to ignore the Obvious destruction its caused....
DL is in denial like so many others who want to continue to push that crap just because they see a nice check every month.....
Special ED along with Dr Umar was absolutely correct on their stances on Hip hop of MOST of its 50 year existence.
For 50 years, weve seen more destruction in our community from Hip hop and Rap than we've seen anything positive come from it. And thats just the FAX.
Why we keep denying this, in favor of this sick facination of Murder, cheating, materialism, degradation of our black queens, rebellious attitudes...???
And we wonder why No other races like us....lol
Say it louder
What you're saying is you don't like us. The soundtrack of Crips and bloods is funk music. Not nwa by that time it was too late. Without pointing any fingers crime is an economic problem.
@@ḵulagaaw No im saying OUR community needs to stop blaming shit on everything else and take accountability for what WE are doin out here on these streets.
I know its not ALL our actions. I know the Govt is against us, But WE need acknowledge OUR own self made problems.
Crime is committed BY CHOICE...
the Economy doesnt MAKE you go out and take the life of your own brother...
foh talkin bout crime is an economic problem, LOL
You prove my point exactly....blaming something else and not taking accountability for YOUR OWN CHOICE.
Explain that one to God when your judgment day comes that you committed a crime because of the enconomy, LOL
@@Akumaten1 you're putting words in his mouth.
Crime is economic. Poor people commit crimes if you are well of and have opportunities you don't. The kids in Malibu were listening to nwa as well. Where white people are poor they commit crimes. You can pretend this is not a reality but it's is the things people will do to make sure they have food shelter and water to take care of their "own self" like you said has very little boundaries.
@@ḵulagaaw
Crime is NOT an economic problem....
It is a CHOICE. Crime has been around before there was such a thing as an economy.
Explain to God that you robbed an innocent human(who works to feed his family) to feed YOUR starving family and see how far you go with that, Lol It wont be an good enough excuse for God, and thus, its not a good enough excuse for me.
If you are poor, Get a Job....Theres always jobs available. Even $7.25 an hour is better than $0 an hour....
If you have no Job and thus cant afford to take care of yourself, one would have to ask why tf you got kids??
Again, CHOICES...
The same way Hip Hop romanticized Tims and Hoodies, NWA romanticized Gang life. Sure gang life existed prior, but after NWA came out, the entire Hip Hop industry turned into being "thugs" or "gangstas".
Did the WHOLE industry turn into gangstas? Or did a handful or artists, because that’s what the labels were buying and signing?
You still had G-rap Rakim and Big Daddy Kane. Rakim said "I used to be a stick up kid/ I used to roll up/ this is a hold up/ ain't nutin funny stop smiling/ cuz still don't nutin move but the money. Big Daddy Kane used to rap about being a Pimp. KRS-One had a tech on his album cover. How is it different?
@@JoseMartinez-bh1ngYou can't leave out the next part of the verse cause it changes the context.
Rakim main bread and butter was hiphop not solely Gangsta rap.
Krs one was recreated a photo of Malcom X on that cover and his music was not solely Gangsta either.
Kane was a smooth operator indeed he did talk pimp but it was his only subject matter.
N.W.A main thibg was gang life in L.A, the controversy, the market the interest, the world wanted reality rap the impact was massive.
It shift the hiphop from dance and accessibility too up in your face reality.
If your not a hiphop head like average person not gone know you the emcees you mention are even in the 90s.
Say N.W.A you get ppl singing the lyrics.
Special Ed couldn't sell records no more, that's why he is jealous. Case closed
@@user-hg8ul8ym7j actually special Ed made good money outside of hiphop.
Being his family already had a business he created his own with the money made also when I lived in Europe 80s and 90s artist been tour over there for over decade.
His stance is not money driven its more look at modern hiphop the killings,the ratchetness is way craziness now is out of this world.
There is truth in what he is saying
"If GTA made us violent , Then Pac-Man must of made us fat"
That speaks volumes
It's a Stupid analogy. There is a difference between an abstract game and real life emulation.
That's some basic distinction that anyone should be able to make.
@@jonz23m bruhhh on God 😂😂💯 its hilarious watchin doofuses promote each other
*starts lawsuit against Atari*
@@jonz23mThank you. That had to be the WORST comparison I've ever heard.
BTW you agreeing with that statement speaks volume
Bloods and Crips was around before NWA stop it
Yes, they were. No one is arguing that...
However, Crips and Bloods were hardly known outside of their cities.
No one knew about the violence in compton and etx excpet the peoplw who lived there.
NWA shined a BIG light on that gang banging lifestyle. Now Everyone around the world knew what crips and bloods were....and instead of trying to really stop the gang stuff, More kids and adults became enamored with the lifestyle and rebellious nature of gangsters and thus alot of youngsters wanted to BE a gangster or have that mentality.
Before NWA came out, NO ONE outside of Compton, Watts, SC, etc knew about that shit.
And its been downhill for our community since then.
Ain't no way anybody is gonna tell me that "One Less B*tch" by N.W.A. is revolutionary....
Can it be possible you both are right. DL Hughley is one of the voices of our people that don't want our people to ever take responsibility for our own errors. With people like this we will never take the lead in our own community. I really believe he knows the truth, but he is so political that he refuses to say that we need to wake up. Trouble surrounds us from the outside and within.
I was surprised by DL's answer. But maybe because he's from LA and grew up around gangs and grew up listening to NWA, he see's things differently than Special Ed.
@hustlanair true, he may not like the idea. LA played a big role in the destruction of Black and Brown communities across the nation, which makes his answer a little biased.
@@KaliefMartin yeah he's definitely a lil biased on this subject. I remember him saying on a earlier vlad interview that at one time in his life he wanted to be a blood but fortunately he was saved by doing comedy.
This is true if you're from California you will think this ridiculous because the sound track to crips and bloods is funk music. Not rap. By nwa's time you're talking about second and third generation. Plus crime is down from the 70's yes it was popping in certain places in the 90's and this is what you hear coming out the music.
not sure about the part that he doesnt want us to take responsibility for our own errors? i think he was being very specific about how he saw the issue being, right or wrong?
Positive music is frowned on by the black community they consider that selling out that’s the problem to much negativity
Shut up, clown. Frowned upon by what "black community." Black people are not a monolith nor the music. Stip stereotyping a whole group based upon your limited understanding of cultural dynamics. You sound stupid.
No we don't
Fool who you kidding
@@thadonjuan2339 yes you do
So what is Gospel Music ? And what is a popular positive music from any community?
I was born and raised in L.A. Our street culture was more attractive than New York. Plain and simple. It wasn't NWA's fault.
Yes it was because everyone else in other states /city's tried to copy, bloods and crips
That I will say is true. New York has a raw street culture which isn’t relatable to most cities in the USA. LA however is. And it’s just as dangerous as NYC. I’m not talking about the comments Vlad and DL had. Just agreeing with the attraction.
Straight Outta Compton was not no eagerly anticipated album. FOH.
he said in the Hip Hop community and it was
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m not an old. I’ll let y’all figure that one out lol
Vlad is clueless about this
Vlad agrees with DL, what Vlad was saying gangster rap groups like N.W.A. didn’t help the conditions, it worsened it. DL Hughley is clueless.
Great commentary DL, no one will look at the cause or the real root of a problem. They re always 4 steps ahead and until that's remedied this kind of situation will continue to exist.
Great Commentary by DL 100%
I just hope you two were either born or of age to witness the transformation of hip hop to more gangsta (street) genre of music. Often times, too many people try to engage in this conversation with no real base of reference. Or, just not real hip hop fans. If you ask or provide hip hop artists dating back to the early ‘80s most are clueless.
@@dewaynecarlton432 yet still, gang culture is limited to black communities although the whites consumed it the most. stop the nonsense
@@dewaynecarlton432 I'm 50 and I'm from LA. I personally witnessed what Prop 13 along with crack did to my city. LA was a very different city pre-Prop. 13 and crack. Those two things are the primary reason why the increase in gang violence happened. NWA simply told people what was going on in the city. Plus, we had more Hip-Hop artist coming from LA during that time that were putting out something other than "gangsta rap."
@@chaunceydavis8856 If you are referring to three strikes law in California, I’m not sure you citing the correct law (Prop 13). But, I was born and raised in the Deep South, so there were no such law. The Federal laws against crack cocaine came a little later. Yes, I remember World Class Wrecking Crew, Ice T, King Tee, Egyptian Lover, Rodney O. & Joe Cooley, etc. I can go on and on prior to N.W.A., but to Special Ed’s point it was still N.W.A. that ushered in this top of music that opened the “Genie out of the Box”.
Unfortunately, I disagree with DL. As a teen in the 90’s I’m telling you firsthand that the music hurt us!!
Shut that nonsense I was in the 90 amd the music wasn't impact ful like that
I am a DL fan too but what he's saying is BS.. the negative influence those guys had on youths was undeniable, it wasn't the N word it was what they stood for . Playing gangsta was them. They never were real gangstas , just caricatures but the young black youth never saw it that way
@@thelastdon9000 let’s be respectful. That’s the experience of many of us who survived the 80’ and 90’s gang era. The music scored and inspired our foolishness.
Agreed. It had a negative effect on the environment
@@pastorkevsayou lying Rap was the scapegoat
I don't know How the Hell this Russian keeps telling Black People How and Why they experience whey they do. And I don't know why he keeps trying D.L.
I watched the movie Wattstax. A movie from 1973, and they were saying N*gga than
They said it on Sanford & Son, The Jeffersons, and Good Times
Richard Pryor had a 1970s comedy album called "That N*gger's Crazy." Yet Nas couldn't name his album the N-word back in '08.
This is not about the saying N*gga, listen to Vlad’s question to DL Hughley.
DL Hughley is out of his mind if he saying that the movie colors didn’t bring gangs to every ghetto outside of LA…and NWA did the same…he wrong on this one
DL is in denial lol
No he's not I'm Los Angeles he's definitely right
In that alonzo clip, he spoke of drugs/ money making things more dangerous, not nwa…
Many good points, thats why discussions are needed.
Special ED is right. DL is tripping. We was not using the N word in music in the 70’s
Special Ed is crazy!!!
Dl must've grew up a nerd. I literally lived through the transformation in the hood after N.W.A. hit our ears. It was definitely the music. Music is beyond POWERFUL and influential.. I WATCHED IT HAPPEN.
@@PJones-ke9kosome bloods be nerdy to. Wtf u talkn bout
Nah DL is just being disingenuous as usual. He needs to play dumb so dumb negros can give him props on Twitter
Along with the drug culture in the so-called ‘hood.
He was a blood gang member lol
My mom was born in ‘66 she used to tell me all the time when Scarface came out all of a sudden everybody wanted to sell drugs
When it all comes down to it's the parents and teaching them common sense
Vlad is talking about what NWA did to hip hop, DL is talking about what legislation did to the black community.
Vlad is talking about what hip hop did to the black community and he's correct
@@jayaallday8516shit y'all don't remember before rap music if you think it started with that.
It's always somebody else ain't it ? Now it's the Bloods and the Crips where created by legislation ? Lol !
@@oldmanemptyhouse7659 that's not what he said. But yeah you're right it always somebody else we can force people into slavery take all their wealth by law when they finally gain freedom and exclude them from jobs, schools, work and then tie the community funds to taxes and than pretend it's their fault.
@@ḵulagaaw who you talking about ? The Africans who conquered other Africans and turned them into slaves ? And then sold them , Is that who we are talking about ? Or are we talking about the White Americans that fought to free them from slavery ?
How come yall never thank the White guy's that freed yall ? Seems kinda weird.
Reminds me what this dude named Malcolm Little said along time ago about how they would trick yall into hating the wrong people. I reckon he was right.
Talking about issues at one thing.
Glorifying them are something completely different.
That, along with crack, made it so much easier to keep us in shapes and chains without visible shackles and chains.
D.L. should know better.
Growing up where he did, he should know how gangs went from a great thing to a horrible thing.
How were gangs ever a great thing? I never heard no bs like that in my life.
Ed makes a great point for those that we're around in the early to late '80s rap was in a positive space then NWA & 2 Live Crew did come along and brought all the ignorance we see today and stop making it seem like Ed was the only one that thought this at that time this was being said back then
No he doesn't Brun
It wasnt all positive. That's a pretty wild take.
@@royalty843majority was positive from 1983 to 1989 when it came to rap music there wasn't any cursing it was more centered around dance routines and giving positive messages about staying away from crack & AIDs and other social issues here in NY at least the west coast I don't know their a whole different animal
@@BKLYN_TZU the West dealt with problems from the Nam war to Rodney King. They saw how NY raps and that wasn't what the West was about. Which is why you had movies like Boys in da Hood
@@BKLYN_TZU You are quite misguided. Positive rap existed long after NWA. When Dre and Snoop was out so were groups such as X-CLAN and Public Enemy. Most people are confused about the timeline.
I was born in the 80's. Lived in Chicago my entire life but to this day a majority of my wardrobe is Oakland raiders and dodgers gear. Why cuz nwa was the dopest thing I had ever seen and had a major influence visually and musically
You not from Chicago 😂
You don’t throw fire on the flames Mr. Hughley !
It’s absolutely ridiculous this think the influence of hip hop stops at slang, sagging pants, trendy dances and blackfishing
DL is very bright and has a lot of information. God bless you DL!
Said this before it was an opinion on the internet and the peopme around me kinda shunned the thought of it. My own people dont even recognize self destruction
Sad but true
Superfly, Scarface, NWA, Drill
All had the same effect on a race of weak minded humans. To act like it didnt is disingenuous.
🥷 Hate to take accountability
For the first time I agree with Vlad. Im a 47 year old black man from one of the hardest projects in Detroit and I totally agree.
D.L is delusional. He doesn’t understand how sound works. Music is indeed influential. And they use these ppl for their agendas. At the end of the day it is what it is. ‼️
Okay then what did music influence you to do?
Problems existed in the Black Community long before NWA.
Thats true, But NWA shined a light on a particular problem and as a result, It did the reverse effect.
Instead of people wanting to stop it, they became enamored and fascinated with it...and it had since helped towards the furthet destruction of our community.
Hughley and Vlad ALWAYS have a good convos
I think he's missing the point made by Special Ed. He's not saying that NWA/gangster rap created the negativity or crime in communities. He's saying they made it cool and promoted that lifestyle. He's 100% accurate. How else would people in Kentucky, Arkansas, Alabama, Kansas, New Jersey, Alaska and Colorado seek to mold their lives to be like Crips, Bloods, Eight Tray, Rolling 60s, Pirus and other gangs without West Coast gangster rap? Yes, it was obviously the life they were living in LA but they then spread it to other parts of the country and now it's out of control and madness. That's flat out undeniable.
Exactly 💯💯💯💯
Exactly nwa and gangsta rap wasnt ever bad it was just the people that started following the trend of being gangsta and having gangs that made things worse nwa were rapping about things they saw and went thru
You hit it on the nail. That's 💯
Exactly
Vlad is speaking his opinion meanwhile DL is speaking reasoning and facts!
Actually Special Ed was speaking facts, DL is speaking a narrative. Ed was in the rap game when everything turned gangsta
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@@c.christopher6115DL is an l.a kid and I love him and I'm not saying what he is saying doesn't have facts.. But special Ed was right..I don't think DL can go against the grain.. and I don't expect him to he's got to survive in l a .
Please dont let Vlad think he knows what he talking about. Its an outside of culture perspective
Actually Vlad and Special Ed were correct.
Yep
@machumufreeman how so??? I'm 50 and VIVIDLY remember listening to "Straight Outta Compton" daily wit my peoples in the midst of the "crack era" and not ONCE did any of us ever say "let's go do some violent/criminal shit" cause we was gassed on the music. This bullshit lack of self-accountability in all aspects of US is the actual problem.
@@andreparks9908facts and that dude just a vlad fanboy he will defend vlad even if he was dead to rights wrong
@@andreparks9908 how do you think bloods and crips spread worldwide?
Oh DL… come on fam… I grew up in the 70’ and lived in LA in the late 80’s I remember when NWA came out… I saw the transformation of my block change… same when dj quick came out… when snoop hit.. it really hit the fan.
DL is the epitome of the problem with the Black community. ZERO accountability. You can't fix something if can't acknowledge the problem and your contribution to it. Even Ice Cube said they didn't think it would have the effect that it eventually did. I'm old enough to remember, I loved NWA, but it was a seismic shift at the time, and things never went back. The entire culture eventually became engulfed in gangsta ethos nationwide. And it had nothing to do with some laws in California. DL has that feminine mindset of always looking to blame someone. We gotta get out of that.
Ok i was with you until that last part.. it definitely has something to do with those laws changed out in Cali, which can never be over looked.. crooked politicians with bad agendas towards our community can not be left off the hook.. however i am in agreance about the other part
I totally agree with DL, I'm 63yo and as a kid there were always drugs in our community but there were also programs to keep us busy. I joined the Military in the late 70s after one yr of college which by the way I earned through participating in these programs. My parents lost there jobs which is the reason I left school. While away in the Military the neighborhood changed. When I got home for good in 84 a different drug that was highly addictive and cheap was everywhere. The programs I benefited from were gone and on top of that Schools and Parents use of the belt for discipline was a crime. You had shows telling kids if there parents spanked them and left a mark they should report it to the authorities. The end results was working parents lost the tools they needed to help both feed and raise their children to respect authority. When I left everyone had a respect for the elderly, a few yrs after my return it was clear the kids were running the show.
Ok, but whoopin and pain does not produce non violent thoughts. It produces the opposite, of course. Pain translating to peace makes no sense at all and many people still talk as if it does.
@@chadalahio8266 I think you miss the point. That whoopin place fear of disappointing your parents over pleasing your friends. Although we grew up in Government Housing 4 of 6 kids did very well in life. The same holds true for most of the others who grew up in our neighbor Hood. You also have to take into account the introduction of crack in the 80s and the fact it was introduced by the Reagan Administration which is still destroying families today.
All facts.
You actually agree with DL
Special Ed knocking NWA but will do an interview with Vlad TV any day
I grew up in Texas where we grew up on old western outlaws we loved it but it never motivated a change in me-but when I first heard NWA it motivated a change in me.Nwa allowed me to understand what I was dealing with and from there I became an out spoken bad Mfer .-
DL is wrong on this one . I bet if u asked him if positive music has a positive impact he would have said yes. So if positive music can have positive impact then so does negative
This is a perfect example of covert narcissism. He simply MJST find a way to be right about being a victim.
I agree with Special Ed. NWA brought a criminality element to the genre that was not there before and as a result a lot of heat was bestowed upon hip hop if you will. With that said, over time positivity came in, but I agree with Special Ed.
That's definitely it was always I hip hop bruh
Special Ed is certainly correct, DL over thought it is all, but the music itself not society did indeed change after NWA
Vlad is 100% right on this issue, Gangsta Hip hop and BET was the detriment of young impressionable black youth after 1993.Before then rap was about partying having fun or informative on prejudice issues, it was all about knowledge. Didn’t glamorize being ghetto and ignorant or female body prostitution behavior
Facts 💯🔥
LMFAO with all due respect, you sound a little ignorant on some of your points. Hip-Hop, rap, & BET are 3 seperate things. Hip-hop is the entire culture which includes rap as one of many forms of expression. Gangsta rap was ONE sub-genre of rap -- there are & were numerous styles of rap both before & after the gangsta rap phenomenon. Yes, rap started out as mostly party chants & centered around bragging/boasting (it definitely wasn't all about knowledge) -- but people in the street were looking for & wanting to express something more conscious, aware, & real. Socially relevant rap started to come in & the emcees atarted to talk about issues in the ghetto, & in some ways gave birth to gangsta rap, because that's how it was going down specifically in LA & in the hoods. Yes indeed it did start to glamourize the streets & sexualized behavior, but many of the early raps were about getting women & sexual prowess. Not sure why you tossed BET in there, cuz BET was around way before gangsta rap, & started out showing black sitcom reruns along with soul & R&B videos & news. Of course, as hip-hop exploded, they started to show more rap videos (as did MTV), but to say they were the detriment of young impressionable black youth is freaking ridiculous. BET was & is groundbreaking & uplifted culture
DL is completely ignoring this fact...when you do that you lose credibility....all I'm saying..
They are actually censored overseas
Straight Outta Compton was NOT eagerly anticipated. LoL
DL is a smart guy, so I think he is being a bit disingenuous. Of course legislation and poverty (qmong other things) created the problem, but I don't think it can be argued that NWA certainly made gangsta rap more popular and accessible to a wider audience of people. No one is arguing the systemic issues that created the problem, but rather what lit the explosion in its popularity.
NWA never was a Gangsta Rap group. NWA dressed in all Black, even to show Neutrality/Non-Affiliation.
@@wnnfrhrw4452bro, go peddle that somewhere else. They were definitely gangsta rap.
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Name The Gang that NWA has been affiliated with then.
Clearly, you lot have no Clue whatsoever with L.A. culture. The All-Black Attire of NWA is neutral colors.
In fact, Schooly-D has been more of a Gangster than any Members from NWA.
@@wnnfrhrw4452Arguing semantics is weak. You know what the connotation is. Gangsta rap, hard-core rap, whatever you want to call it, we all know what it is.
Or how do you explain their song "Gangsta Gangsta"?
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I'm still waiting for The Name of The Gang with whom NWA is affiliated.
Alonzo Williams: Dam CJ you let train get away 😂
DL made some very valid points
I agree, we was already hurting each other from the drug game.
Special ed was attacking the west bottom line. But before he does that attack KRS 1, and attack Schooly D . Do that then we can talk
You gotta point. There was gangster rappers on the east coast before NWA was out. But I think NWA and LA culture in gereral had a bigger lasting effect on hip hop as a whole and the young generation at that time... It's a reason there's bloods & crips in NY and every medium sized city in between, still to this day.
9:16 The way Vlad said that got me reminiscing Tion Wayne's "Be Like That" 😅
DL is right. I couldn't even take driver's education or go to after-school programs anymore in Oakland. Vlad, about time things hit the music scene or movies it's been happening in the neighborhood for years. Those groups were telling stories that were and had already happened.
Women need to sit down and be quiet. Go and comment on a cooking show, this is serious convo and you don’t have the capacity to participate
Leave it to DL to blame the government.
Vlad is wrong. When NWA came out and my friend played the album for me, I thought that was some of the scariest stuff I had heard and I definitely wasn't down with it. I was still down with the culture "knowledge of self" rap and the occasional quirky, fun type of rapping. Nothing against NWA. It just wasn't for me. However, the corporations began just feeding us ONLY "gangsta rap" and a lot of my favorite types of rapping began getting less corporation attention, money, etc.
the world is in abundance of fake ass wannabees. that's just the truth. everybody wants to be something they are not, that's not N.W.A's fault that the world is full of wannabees. Even a bunch of so-called conscious rappers where so full of shit about themselves acting as if they where all about having knowledge of self. To have knowledge of self you have to be able to accept the knowledge of everybody else even if you ain't down with it.
Sounds like you agree with Vlad and Special Ed
@@c.christopher6115that part lol
Cause And Effect!!!!!!
Cause = Proposition 13
Effect = NWA
Ice Cube told Special Ed that they were telling these stories about their environment and making a parody about it and putting it on wax and selling it for the “local neighborhood”. It blew up. Went worldwide. So Special Ed and D.L. have valid points.
OUR PEOPLE HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY SMMFH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By blaming music? Thats literally not taking accountability
No. People like you think you’re the speaker for the whole race and sound more uninformed than old white men.
@@ZYaKnoe249 apparently our people are too stupid to understand what special ed was saying. What he said was the music industry controlled by white people saw how popular NWA was and modeled every artist they could after that. And what that did to hip Hop was kill every other version of it ...Which was detrimental to our people as a culture because now we believe a vindication of manhood is being a so called gangster. How do you miss this point?
Blk people have always been held accountable tf you talking you about?
Finally Vlad did this interview- because I couldn't much longer to hear what DL Hughley thinks about what Special Ed said about NWA.
I was with the Special Ed argument but after his Math Hoffa interview he came off as a clout chaser
best interview in vlad's catalog!!! in my opinion i believe it was a culmination of the two ideas in which DL and Vlad are speaking about!!!
The resources being taken away and the narcotics put strategically in place are what spiked crime in the inner city.... The weak minded people took Gangsta rap and tried to act it out in real life, and the record executives, big labels, and the private prison start-ups saw the effect it had on the weak minded and pushed it to the forefront ahead of conscious rap.
Why my dawg DL lookin, talking and doing the hand movements like Dr Malcolm from jurassic park
The south/southern rappers brought destruction to hip hop. Influenced two generations with incoherent dumbed down content…
Stop it. The south was ostracized from mainstream rap for the first two decades of its existence. Things were “dumbed down” long before the south showed up. Just because _you_ can’t understand doesn’t make it inherently incoherent.
I disagree with DL Hughley! NWA created an environment where being in a gang was popular! All the other stuff DL was talking about were also a problem, but gangbanging was made popular by NWA, Snoop Dogg, Dre etc. Special Ed was absolutely right!!!
Sadly sometimes vlad just doesnt get it. And that is the difference between being in the culture and of the culture
Actually he does get it DL is lost on this one.I seen the change with my own eyes.
He profits from all this degeneracy. If it wasn't for it he wouldn't even have a platform in the first place. He doesn't give a f about the culture, all these Jews do is profit at our expense.
@jayaallday8516 as did I however vlad is saying the violence the rap about is what the world is hearing. DL is saying no the world is hearing what NWA sees. Nothing different from a news reporter. You cannot just look at who's saying what, you must look at why it's being said
@@kylohraw177 melly mell and krs 1 were news reporters of the hood.NWA was the embodiment of the trash
@jayaallday8516 hey, some reporters are in the field, others report from the sideline. We can be brothers growing up in the same house and have different opinions on how we were raised. Perspective