HOW the winger changed modern football
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- čas přidán 6. 04. 2023
- Is the winger the most important protagonist in today's football? If you believe the numbers, then the winger is at least the player who puts the "modern" into modern football. A replacement for the good old number 10. A goal-scorer alongside the strikers. A hybrid between the wing and the goal. The winger is: two players in one. Who is the best winger out there at the moment, tell us in the comments...
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Edit: David Jacobi
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@@dinisfonseca6305 Under normal circumstances I wouldn't have replied to this but I have a strong urge to curb your foolish bid to appear "cool". You're extremely wrong! Learn your grammar. People who correct other people's grammar online look very foolish to me.
Playing on the wings make the game look more attractive, and it's faster - a greater winger is joy to watch
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Yes, truly a sight to behold especially a left footed winger cutting inside.
Highly-skilled inverted winger is usually the most dangerous player in a team, because he can cut inside to shoot, reach the byline to do cutback, penetrate the half-space and make long diagonal crosses without having to get past the fullback. I believe it was popularized by Wenger with Pires and Ljungberg at Arsenal?
Yeah
This should have been featured in the definition of the modern winger playing on the inverted side as per their stronger foot and creating mayhem and panic everytime they cut inside. In the top scorer tables, you should relate all those goals to assists that came or not from wingers btw
I would consider Havertz a CAM or even ST but this video looks good
He's a second striker. Chelsea have some kinda fetish for those, with him, Felix and Nkunku coming in too lmao
Every chelsea fan knew Havertz not a winger lol. Not sure where they got this idea lol
I spotted the photo of John Robertson of Nottingham Forest shortly followed by the comment that wingers had no defensive duties. Robertson with his close control was key to Forest because he made himself available to receive the ball when Forest were defending. He was the player that transitioned the team from defence to attack, a role more commonly performed by defensive midfielders.
Right? I don't think of modern wingers as having as much defensive responsibilities as prior eras. Just the transition from a winger in a 442 to a 433. Before a midfield player. Now an attacking player should indicate that they have less defensive responsibilities now. This video is loaded with false claims or assumptions that just are increasing the ignorance of observers. It makes me think of De Gea haters. As a man u fan and a person that played GK. I know he is a top 5 GK easily yet fans of man u want to get rid of him because he lacks ability on the ball. WTF? A Gk is supposed to stop shots not be a field player. It's ridiculous the absurd way some interpret the game
I think Messi and Ronaldo in their prime years were pure wingers , only after 2015-16 that they started playing out of position for Messi CAM and Ronaldo ST
No because they are only "Labeled" as winger😂.
Not sure the reason why they got labeled as winger. Maybe because of media and fifa propaganda😂
@@mhazim93 ronaldo was 100% a winger in man utd and had that role early in madrid lol
Wtf ? Messi was a fake 9 with guardiola
True
The reason is because teams many years ago used to play very basic systems like 4-4-2 and the number ten of the other team would be between the lines with much space, now teams play staggered formations like 4-2-3-1 where you have 2 CDM's of the opposition in the space the classic ten used to play so these creative players drift wide and become wingers, usually playing on their off wing, so a left footer on the right like Salah or a right footer on the left wing like Vini Jr, they collect the ball in wide area's and often come inside, I know DW did a video about the death of the number ten as well, I remember because it was very sad lol
Kvaratskhelia really getting the numbers down in his first season, just phenomenal
I'm enjoying the Central Cee instrumentals in the background 😅👌
So technically 3 in 1 as they combine their normal duties as wingers with massive goals and defensive duties.
1 out of 20 wingers actually defend...
@@manme6051 unrelated
@@manme6051 we called them inside fawrds they are not wingers
Top class midfielder spot is irreplaceable! A must have along with good wingers - look at Real Madrid! Thanks for the video
They are amazingly well staffed in both positions, absolutely ;)
Wingers were the main attack in the recent past, but in 5 years, I see you guys making a video about how wing-backs changed football. It's incredible how the winger is being replaced by two 10/two-second strikers behind a striker in a 3-4-2-1 or 3-4-3 or 3.5-2 formation, while the wing-back covers that part of the pitch
Gran trabajo de investigación e increíble manera de visualizarlo mis amigos de DW
great video
Exactly. Messi/CR7/Neymar aren't pure wingers. They are free role players.
You don't know anything. Ronaldo Messi and Neymar all developed as pure wingers and were later moved to the free roles as free roles were extremely rare even 15 years ago
@@ezekielduran4386 these 3 too good even the soo call expert not sure how to define them lol. They probabably play safe not to include them
But one thing they very sure is Havertz is a winger lol.
wingers are more likely to get injured as well because of their play style
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6:21 that isn't mason Greenwood that's martial
@SandG Oh the confusion with those shirt numbers 😇
@@dwkickoff Great video though👍
IF ANSU FATI HAS MORE XG THAN ANY PLAYER THEN WHY DOESN'T HE SCORE ANY????
He’s an xG merchant 💀
@@chris.48 wtf does that even mean
@@chris.48 Hey Chris,are you american by any chance?
@@Electricc__ i think it's pretty clear it's a joke
He's a young player returning from injury, it's physiological, he wants to move one way but his body moves another way, miniscule changes and unused muscles ruin his natural feeling for using his body, he can't strike the ball cleanly and he can't keep control of it consistently while dribbling with fast movements, so those failures make him more nervous making him even more inconsistent when hes under pressure again, when he breaks out of that cycle he should recover, he just needs back his confidence in his body,
he was arguably rated higher than vini before his injuries, on the same level as mbappe and haaland, and he's still got the same brain in his head, as long as his physique hasn't been damaged massively, he'll become one of the best players in the world again, and he still has a chance to reach that mbappe level if he's physically totally unchanged.
Regardless of how it exactly is, his body is still in decent enough shape that all the big clubs in the world value him still, which should say more than his current inconsistencies.
Loved the "wonderkind" nod there haha
Missed a chance to talk about 3 & D Wings in basketball who are expected to contribute in attack and defence. Some of them are also pretty good at playmaking, if you have elite 3 & D wings in the NBA you're pretty much in contention every season, look at Boston who have Jaylen Brown and Tatum.
Agree but Boston hasn't got that ring yet and this year's MVPs are all bigs.
So much to learn between football and basketball there should be more converging discussions... Maybe i should do some
i swear football and basketball have the most transferrable skills, if you’re good at one you have a decent understanding of the other
@@Vanguardkl Indeed they're yet to win but their team is much closer to the summit because of what they bring. Tatum's season has been MVP caliber but he's up against titans lol.
@@sixeleven637 For sure, I feel getting into basketball enhanced some of my understanding of football concepts.
3&D usually a role player though...i think the greatest 3&D player ever is Klay
I used to watch videos on this channel a lot. But recently i realized that some of your old videos (like playmakers, football tactics etc) were deleted and i don't know why. Can you please reupload or make them available?
I think the position that allows for creativity or that opens up space for the rest of the team the most is the central meidlder with creative roles, and string pulling. You can have fast and pacey wingers, i am a Man United fan for instance, we had a lot of speed the last 8 years and always ,if there wasn't a midfielder running the tempo, opening up the game, pasuing, dribbling a little. Switching up the field, and reading the tempo of the game, being able to play through balls, beat the press, etc and find that striker with a through ball, or the winger with space it would all be a little useless too. United for instance had rashford who sometimes played at the wing, he would run like crazy and stupid, and eventaully it would be 4 defenders on him. With a string pulling midfielder in creative capabilities, and with ability to pause, step on it a little, build up posesion in a intentional way in the way that the team gets organized and the ball is moving in a way that can harm the oppononet , speed would be useless. The creative midfielder, can dribble , break through lines, assists, read what the game needs, open up and give the ball the intentionality and build up it needs to make sure its moving with the intention to penetrate and beat defenses, the creative midfielder is also hihly technical. ITs for me almost the most important position though they are all important. Speed withouut a creative intentionality, and playmaking,. and s tringpuller to find wingers with space would be useless. PLaymakers can also assists and find that through ball, and change things up so its not always doing one thing. I wouldnt discount the importance, of the creative midfielder, number 8 like modric, thiago alcantara , frankie de jong, christian eriksen, de bruyne, so many others game reading ability for build up is essential and gives the ball to people with space so they can run, and , as i said these are highly technical palyers to with great feel for the ball and touch. THey give the ball to people with space, they create space, with thieir technicality, and feel for the ball, dribbling , and game reading, highly important position as well.
Absolutely. A man u fan here as well. Another factor many don't account for is off ball runners. Without off ball runners no creativity can be established. And as you stated the midfielders get the ball to the wingers. Without them there is no solidified mid field and trams resort to the long ball approach. Playing counter after counter instead of building with team involvement. So an excellent winger is good to have but not crucial. I'd still place their importance as the least important on the pitch. You can have solid players on the wing and do fine, but to be superior you need dominant CBs CMs whether attacking defensive or pure box to box and Strikers as well as full backs. If full back play is not up to par there will be less space for wingers to capitalize upon. Also I prefer a defensively sound team than attacking marvel. 4 4 2. Or 4 4 1 1. Get back to basics and rotational play through creative and spontaneous runs and replacing the defensive responsibilities of any player who decides to make the journey up the pitch. This is how football can be most effective. A 433 just cannot do what a 442 can. It can be great if you have the players to maximize the formations potential, but a 442 with smart players can always compete with the more dominant teams running a very rigid set up
Giggs wasn't slow
Compared to others, especially today’s wingers, he kinda was
Gone are the days of 4-4-2 sigh, as a center forward, well a position i am good at i miss the old days, but this is here to stay and enjoyable.
I like this kind of videos
I really do too. It is a totally indepth way of looking at football
Having a video about influential wingers & not including Rashford or Saka is a bit bewildering
FAX... Legit was waiting for both names to pop up
Thank you for proving that wingers run the most. I’ve been a winger most of my footballing life and so many people think it’s their position especially central mids lol. Playing Central mid is always the easiest time whenever I’ve filled in there 😂
In terms of running the most, it's obvious that it's winger
In terms of difficulty though,
CM > Wingers > Full-backs > Strikers = Defenders
As a ⚽️ follower, I'm fan of 4 favorite positions: wingers, strikers, playmakers and fullbacks.
6:21 Greenwood looks a bit different here 😂
Wingers can change a game, but they are in my opinion the least necessary to emphasize when you want to have an effective team. Another factor many don't account for is off ball runners. Without off ball runners no creativity can be established. Also, Midfielders get the ball to the wingers. Without them there is no solidified mid field and teams resort to the long ball approach. Playing counter after counter instead of building with team involvement. So an excellent winger is good to have but not crucial. I'd still place their importance as the least important on the pitch. You can have solid players on the wing and do fine, but to be superior you need dominant CBs CMs whether attacking defensive or pure box to box and Strikers as well as full backs. If full back play is not up to par there will be less space for wingers to capitalize upon. Also I prefer a defensively sound team than attacking marvel. 4 4 2. Or 4 4 1 1. Get back to basics and rotational play through creative and spontaneous runs and replacing the defensive responsibilities of any player who decides to make the journey up the pitch. This is how football can be most effective. A 433 just cannot do what a 442 can. It can be great if you have the players to maximize the formations potential, but a 442 with smart players can always compete with the more dominant teams running a very rigid set up. That's why certain teams revert to defending in 442 or 451. Or variations of those. Because it's tactically sound and basically perfectly set up when on the counter. You will already be in the best possible spots if you have good rotation and discipline in staying to your zone or swapping zones at times with another. It's amazing how much players chase nowadays, and in turn get sucked into bad defensive areas that forces everyone else to try to plug the holes, when there really shouldn't be holes. Yes teams with great movement can expose the gaps but have to make at least 3 or 4 one or two touch passes in succession with perfect movement to get through. But everyone is committing too many on offensive moves for a majority of games. You really only need 6 or 7 up on any attack, unless it's one you know you are going to capitalize on. And even then it's 6 or 7 after transition (unsuccessful counter, yet still in possession) then probing till a soft spot is revealed and then you should only build to 8 or 9 when you know you have them beat.
Did you mean 3-in-1? I always personally enjoyed playing as the fullback (RB* or LB) and reflecting on my brief and casual time playing the game, what the total winger needs to be is a defender, midfielder and attacker. The pace merchants tend to make it seem like all you need is speed and stamina but perhaps no player needs to have greater match acumen since they have the utmost ground to cover and therefore need intelligence to anticipate as much as the same from central areas regarding their positioning to make overlapping runs, etc, etc…
That said, technical players with strength over pace merchants do make better wingers, the speed is just a bonus.
Maharez is a great example
@@mushthaqahammed4617 City has about a half a dozen such players. Cancelo before he went on loan being their best perhaps? Cafú and Roberto Carlos gave the world a base, and Marcelo and [redacted] turned into European crown winning wing play which their successors have then taken all over the pitch. While the work rate is killer and can shave nearly ten years of a players career due to how your knees essentially become dust…
But yeah, I’m sad to see some players sorta half develop in the role becoming lethal going forward and leaving much to be desired defensively, the next step here really now depends more on the science of things so the players can better adjust their bodies to what is perhaps the most leg intensive role on the field.
As we see more and more outliers, the role itself will transform and we’re like to see the Wingers be the new 10s or false 9 as some superstar talents have already demonstrated. In the not so distant future, playing two monsters out wide will be the game changer. 💁🏻
@@athosgomesfonseca you can still say dani alves, shitty human or not
@@aadisahni oh I know, I just rather not. If he is proven innocent however, I’ll be screaming it though. 🫶🏼
A lot of these players like salah are wide strikers and not really wingers. And since CAMs are dead, has the creative responsibility been moved to the wingers?
anyone know the song that starts at 6:50 ?
9:10 did you mean to highlight Sterling instead of Kane?
Thank you, eagle eye☺️
Mason greenwood low-key look like martial 6:22💀😂😂
Oups 😳 mixed up! Thx for the heads up
1:36 Did they really did a study to know which position runs the fewest in a football match? And they even got the answer wrong. It is the goalkeeper, if we take that position along with the outfield positions into account.
Kai haverts wasn’t a winger? I’m pretty sure he was a centre forward when he played under touchel.
9:13 Kane Winger xd
CR7 was a "winger-winger" in the nougties
So was Henry. This video isn't well researched or thought out. In some instances it makes false claims that are just laughable to an informed viewer. Or you know one was actually watching these players back then
Imagine a player who had play on both sides of the wing is not a true attacking winger just because he dont defend enough
While player like havertz who mainly play as central role like haverzt make the cut as a winger lol.
I personally think that one of the problems that many countries have is the lack of typical strikers, which is why there has been an increase in the number of modern wingers. What do you all think?
2:29 OMG when did you start watching football DW? C. Ronaldo started his career as winger and he was still a winger up to 2018. I knew because i am a Man United fan who watched his debut in 2003.
This creator is just a wannabe football enthusiast....
9:13 Harry Kane is a winger?
Very difficult argument and was gonna give it a chance, but just too many wild assumptions and characterisations going on - Ryan giggs and George best are the best wingers in history alongside others that were mentioned and all of them got lots of assists and goals. The only takeaway from this video is there are more wingers being produced today. Not very different from wingers in the past but yes they do influence play more.
According to this video Mason Greenwood is winger that looks like Martial🥴
😁Well spotted! Thanks for the heads up Mabstube ;) They look similar tho in this photo
Why not a single mention of Rashford?
This video just makes me think xG is a pointless stat yet it's mentioned all the time now. They said Ansu Fati 1.02 goals per game xG...I check his stats for this season and he has 4 in 25 in the league
A great winger is nothing without a solid outside back.
Good one. The underappreciated men doing the hard work
True ATTACKING winger: winger that defence a lot like Havertz
Fake/labeled winger: who defend less like messi, cr😂
Cant wait for next video, true Defensive fullback: T. A. Arnold😂
Ansu fati will score a lot of goals before he retires. Fact he’s 20 and the world is so quick to criticize him despite his injuries
bro forgot Ronaldo and Messi were wingers for most of their career and have been top scorer many times in Madrid Ronaldo always played as a winger
We're wingers a necessary shift due to a seeming drought of true #9's lately?
Interesting. Definitely something to look into... 👀
Full-backs who can do both phases are extremely rare, so there is more possibilities for wingers to score
no 9 exist but now at days 9 are not poachers like haaland and lewa they are asked to do more for built up so they pick up playmaking and etc
Their is a winger called leao ❤ you also missed martinelli and saka
If I am right and you called Giggs slow, you’ve got to be kidding me.
Maybe the writter only watch old gigg lol.
Test cricketers cover massive distances
@varun reddy Mothe They do?
Ryan giggs didn’t have pace? 😲are you insane.
the desire to beat possession football is what gave rise to fast wingers.
Havertz is a winger??
Unfortunate yes according to them lol. As chelsea fan I find this funny lol
"DW kickoff" is gotta be my favorite gender
Messi try to find 1 vs 1 situation & He rarely find it 😂
Greenwood????? Do they know something we united fans don't know
Kurt Hamrin.
THIS MANS JUST FORGOT BARCA 2011 WINGERS & STRIKER SCORED AGAINST MAN U
Harvertz is not a winger, nobody knows what he is
Great stuff!! But not a single mention of the term "INVERTED WINGER"??? More time with the ball in the attacking cental channel with their preferred foot...Increasing xG for them. Ribery/Robben in Bubdesliga were among the pioneers, so I am surprised DW did not mention this massive trend with A+ results. In my view, the PRIMARY game changer in why wingers have more goals.
They dont even mentioned two goat winger messi and cr7 lol. Dw Probably confuse because they sometime play in the middle but majority of their career play out wide
These two probably the reason two start this trend since they dominate football before this trend starting
@@mhazim93 No, they wre not THE first...just perhaps the best duo among the initial phase of this change...All the more reason to mention MASSIVE tacticl drift towards inverted wingers. They left out the MAIN change tactic.
@@mhazim93 both of them didn't put enough defensive work in and were far more central to be mentioned in the video as the commentor said
@@derraumdeuter3671 but they change football with massive goal for winger. Can you name one winger before messi cr era that has 30/40 goal constantly eqch season?
Marc Overmars.
Good shout!
No, Robert Pires was more prolific and he was the protoype of modern winger.
Ligue 1 != top 5 European league
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Havertz a winger but Messi isnt lol.
@@davidjr4903 oic. Must be right then.
Wrong. Messi developed as a winger. In fact he was one of the influential wingers to establish this style of wing play. How old are you?
@@ezekielduran4386 according to video messi cr neymar is fake wing lol. They are not true attacking winger because they dont defense lol
As long as you defend while attacking you are true winger like Havertz lol
@@mhazim93 I haven't seen Havertz make a tackle even for his fucking mom's sake.
Kai Havertz isn’t a winger. 🤨
foden and havertz are not wingers
Havertzs is not a winger, he is a 10 attacking midfielder, a 9,5-second striker or a false 9. Not a winger. It great video but yeah kai is not a winger.
He defense a lot so he is a winger lol
@@mhazim93 what you are saying is like " A donnkey runs a lot so its a horse". Havertz is been playing as a number 9 for 2 years at chelsea are you still going to say that he is a winger ? Men check your football facts.
@@2dany5 according to DW he is a winger lol.
Ask them why they said he a winger lol.
Me waiting for SAKA and not seeing him 😢
Saka is fake winger lol
@@mhazim93 he just loves to cut inside when having the ball and make one twos, no reason why he shouldn't be considered a winger though he always starts out wide and dribbles towards the center.
@@mariadanielalavia8877 according to dw you are not true winger if you dont defend much lel
Havertz is more winger than Saka lol
@@mhazim93 henot he a true winger acctaulywhat this video is refering is accualy the inside fowards real wingers defend
Average GAA player runs 7.88km per game
Since when did Martial changed his name to Mason Greenwood?
@Ozil Mo Regular glitch in the matrix when Greenwood took Martial's old shirt😁
GhHa Kai havertz lol
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am i the only one who heard doja cat beat?
Who saw the Mason Greenwood picture
@Brian Akosah I did. Must have been the #11 and #9 swap
foden aint faster than dembele
Havertz in no day it's a winger. Much more like a poser.
Kai havertz is not a winger
He is true winger as long as he do defensive work lol
This video is hot garbage.
Not including the most transcendental wingers Messi and Ronaldo is criminal. Sure they transitioned to more complete players but they started as wingers. These two are probably the reason wingers had to play more defense; they absolutely wrecked defensive lines and opposition teams needed more bodies to at best slow them down.
If you did it for all time messi would be the best
This video has so many mistakes
It's because wingers now cut inside. That's why they now score. It's not rocket science
Making a video on wingers without mentioning Messi, the literal G. O. A. T
SMFH 👎
Or claiming he isn't one. It's appalling as he and CR7 are the reason this style of a winger became so popular
Yeah so much disrespect to both goat who popularise the winger.
Just because they dont meet dw criteria of true winger , they got label as fake winger lol
@@mhazim93 it sucks, plus with wingers, most of the time they just take turns to defend, and fall back in a 4-4-2 with a central midfielder pressing as forward and one central midfielder moving to equilibrate one of the sides, that's how Real Madrid plays bcs Vini doesn't track back even one ball. That was also how Barcelona from Luis enrique played, with Messi just staying high and along with suarez to press and Rakitic covering the midfielder right.
@@mariadanielalavia8877 yeah most superstar winger only defend during big game only.