Toccata con Fuga BWV 565 Koopman - Schnitger organ
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2010
- Ton Koopman unleashes the magnificent fury of Bach on the 1693 Arp Schnitger organ, St. Jacobi, Hamburg. Built during 1689 and 1693.
Performed in the presence of the Ringk manuscript.
Pitch: A495.45 Hz
Tuning: Modified meantone temperament - Hudba
This is the most insanely good version of this piece I've ever heard.
This, Hurford and Preston.
My favourite interpreter of baroque music. Passion and respect. Simply sublime here.
Truly amazing. Ton Koopman's keyboard mastery, together with his irreverent reading of the stylus phantasticus' mood, which only he can combine with utmost respect for Bach's music, makes this a stunning performance, absolutely breathtaking. Thank you for sharing it.
Indeed! It can truly be called a celestial pitch, and the modified meantone tuning works very well with it. Sometimes though, in the old days they used higher pitches just because it required less metal and thereby making construction of the organ less expensive.
I'm so fascinated at how no two organs sound alike. Sublime piece.
Ton Koopman + Arp Schnitger organ, St. Jacobi = Dynamite! Arguably the most vivacious and muscled interpretation ever. Anyone knows at which age Ton played this? It certainly takes a strong young man to produce this amount of musical energy.
voixdelabime Even older, he plays so fast and so energetic like this ^^
My guess would be mid to late 20s or early 30s.
Wonderful performance of this amazing work... With power and lightness - perfect.
Lots of fast trills, fantastic 🎶
la plus extraordinaire piece de musique jamais composee ; ca lui va tres bien a Koopman et a cet orgue
Божественная музыка органа❤❤❤ ! ! !😀🙂😎😋
By far, my favorite interpretation of this piece!
Maravillosa interpretacion
A Toccata e Fuga BWV565, em Ré menor, de J. S. BACH, nas mãos de Ton Koopman é do outro mundo!!! Fantástica!!!
The ending.
Oh. My. GOD!
Crikey! Absolutely glorious.
Una versión verdaderamente magistral.Sabe exprimir su sentimiento.
Mark de Zabaleta
@Opistographus, Few can appreciate (and understand) it as you and I do. You are a true connoisseur Sir!
The best and most unique of all other performances I've ever heard. Simply genius !!
I'd just like to say that I'm utterly elated by your kick-ass rebuttal. When I read his comment I feared I might have to smash my head a few times into my desk. But you've save me from such a horrific fate. I believe I owe you one good Sir. ;-)
suono splendido tra i piu belli per questa versione .
Stylus fantasticus - Tonus Fantasticus!
Glorious! It's also worth hearing the recording of this at St Maximin on CZcams. I love the flourishes of sheer panache in this!
Read the description, this organ is tuned differently. d minor as you know it today is not d minor as Bach or his contemporaries knew it.
@martin791017, Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. And for that reason I truly do appreciate it that there is disagreement among us when it comes to how we think of an individual artist. However some have poorer reasons for dislking him than others do.
And no, Koopman would never insult Bach's artistic individuality by directly imitating him. in fact his playing only makes me wonder more and more what the real Bach actually sounded like, and that's why I enjoy him so much.
THIS IS WHY THE PIPE ORGAN IS THE KING OF ALL INSTRUMENTS!!! PERIOD!!! Even the best concert speakers can't reproduce the divine quality and magnificent sound this pipe organ makes.
Remarkable recording, utterly remarkable... From the opening to the resolution of the toccata, it was a though this were a new piece to me.
Magnificent instrument, artist and temperament; how jaded have we have become by "modern" tempering and 440.0 Hz.
(I also agree - Who needs the D? I don't know much about other early Bach manuscripts; could it possibly have originated (or common practice just immortalized) in Dr. Schweitzer's editions?)
Thank you.
J'apprécie beaucoup chez Tom Koopman cette interprétation insolite de la toccata, avec des ornements ...
WOW That Organ's Temperament is very high! A495 is just of B natural!
@latribe, It is also a very fine demonstration of what a 'good' temperament really can do for Bach. :-)
Yea baby!
Smoother than polished stainless steel
WOW!!!
@markb61, Glad you enjoyed it.
Rollerball!!!
@svalanlucifer, yes. quite a few actually but I can't call them all to mind right now. I'll need to look for a copy of the ringck manuscript to list all the differences.
This is an authentic baroque performance!
super fantastic! ( Kirchenton : celestial pitch, yes ! Had to be higher than the Kammerton , 415, normally used in theaters and courts, secular... ;) passion , rage, love, all the great human feelings come out here , rethorically perfect ! ( may be with that acoustic, it is a bit risky to play the fugue so fast, you loose clarity in some passages, but on the other hand this fugue is not really a ' counterpoint treatise' ( Willams wrote it was even not written for organ ) so it works !!!
0:56 is my favorite part of the song, it just has a Shakespearean vibe to it.
@Nizlopi2, Isn't pure and utter madness just beautiful?
@svalanlucifer, I actually like both ways of doing it. It took a while but eventually I got used to hearing it without the d.
@svalanlucifer, because modern editions are incorrect and include a "d" to resolve the passage. However, the earliest manuscript of the work (by Johannes Rinck) does not include this additional d. Koopman views this oldest known manuscript as more authentic, so he does not play that note.
Toccata and Fugue in D Minor BWV 565 - Ton Koopman
La meilleure version actuelle!
Qu'est-ce que tu penses de celle-ci? czcams.com/video/D-PVpbvWzAs/video.html
I still find it hilarious that this person, Imhof44, actually thinks that Leonhardt's way of playing isn't boring and dreadful. Leonhardt even admitted his way of playing is wrong, but he also said that he had no intention of changing his ways.
Out of standard. Amazing that.
"YOU JUST LEVELED UP!!"
While I'm still here, I would like to add on to your comment regarding Bach's intentions, it is possible to approximate this with a comprehensive study of books like Kirnberger's "Kunst des reinen satzes" which contains a tempo system that is very authoritative on what Bach himself used. There is also "Die volkommene kapell meister" by Mattheson and "Versuch über die wahre Art das Clavier zu spielen" by C.P.E Bach (among many others) which offers a very interesting read on the subject.
Lit tho
As smooth into the Fugue as Barneveldt’s darts throw
But of course, I do realize you were referring specifically to the matter concerning BWV 565's authenticity. So forgive me if my previous comment is out of context.
D minor is the saddest of keys. This piece was originally titled "Lick my love pump".
I kid. Still a masterpiece!
forgive the typo: "saved".
This is the meaning of a white wig?
Does anyone know of a better rendition of the Toccata and Fugue? I don't...
czcams.com/video/vjsfuC_sA7Y/video.html
The Base..
@FreieStadtElbing Richter? What Rcihter ? Karl Richter or sysmic Richter ??
2:40
@FlacidoDomingoo Sysmic, I think.
Je me suis souvent posé la même question
You do mean the Schnitger scale, don't you?
I feel like a vampire when I listen to this
He looks like a little bit of John Williams.
Did you even listen to the whole performance?
CLARKS TRADING POST!!
He looks like John Williams at the picture.
@martin791017 Je me suis souvent posé la même question
heard*
Hors catégorie!
es muy extraño el inicio y en lo personal no me gusta, me parece horrible, pero pasando un minuto me parece la mejor interrpetacion que en mi vida haya escuchado (y vaya que han sido muchas)
I heard this on Tom and Jerry Meet Sherlock Holmes.
lol
O senhor Andrea Valentino tem absoluta razão - é de facto a mais loucamente bela versão da famosa Toccata e Fuga em Ré menor, BWV565, do magnífico, porque não excelso Johann Sebastian BACH!!!
i tjink i jerad this in dragon ball
A wonderful performance of a piece I love to hate!
Pros: Tempos, articulation, style, energy, ornaments, almost everything!
Cons: Lack of variety in Registration. The organ sounds fantastic, but even the fantastic gets old without some variety.
Hmm... Could you elaborate on what you mean with the con? You piqued my interest :)
I hear a full plenum registration from beginning to end (8 mins. +). I don't hear any manual changes and no registration change for the start of the fugue. I believe he does pull on the rest of everything at the end. It is a glorious sound indeed....but 8 minutes of the same glorious sound, in this piece, I find quite tiring, and it ceases to be so glorious. Would Bach have played it this way? Maybe....but I would not have liked him doing it any better. My ears crave some variety!
Ah. I see. Thank you!
Interesting - I hear plenty of manual changes (e.g. at the start in 0:49, I think it's Hauptwerk ---> Ruckpositiv) and echo effects. But you're correct: it's organo pleno all the way, baby!
You must like Walcha :)
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fuck thats nice, thanks
@BAxitorCH mah. Ci sono molti trilli, sì (prassi esecutiva) ma dov'è che "si perde"? la linea interpretativa è chiarissima, piena di fuoco ma limpida.
Its not in D
It's in baroque temperament (a 465 hz) so yes, it is actually in d
@The MIDI Bach Project Oh, I'm sorry about that!!!
Isn't that a bach song?
Bod mas, you do realize you can reply to comments? You've cluttered your own comment section.
Is there any reason that this is being played in the wrong key?
It’s just a different temperament (A = 495 Hz, as opposed to the conventional temperament, which is A = 440 Hz), so technically, it is being played in the correct key.
LMAO THIS IS EVIL, WYM WITHOUT MIMZY XDDD
Firstly, this piece is attributed to Bach, but a number of its characteristics are quite unlikely for baroque organ pieces, and as such, its attribution to Bach has been contested by many scholars in recent decades. This makes your comment completely irrelevant and clearly shows how informed you really are about the piece.
Listen to the fugue, and the music itself will prove you wrong.
Secondly, and I do not really wish to be furthering my rudeness towards you, but reading your comment was actually quite hilarious and frustrating at the same time. "Bach was 19 when he wrote this and he was having FUN", "You will then know what Bach intended"? I mean, come on! Regarding the first comment I cited, my question would be: How could you possibly know what the person responsible for writing this piece was feeling while writing it?
Unless you are some kind of modern-day Nostradamus, I find it quite unlikely that you've even got a clue. And even if that was the case, I would still be skeptical.
Regarding the second comment I cited, much of the same arguments come to mind. I do not believe that the late Gustave Leonhardt, although being a remarkable organist, possessed any higher knowledge of the composer's intention with this piece than Ton Koopman does. How would he possibly have been able to acquire this knowledge?
Koopman plays everything a tad too fast for my taste
In order to sum up: It is completely acceptable to have different views and preferences on things, and I think you've clearly demonstrated your viewpoint about this particular case. But to (poorly) disguise your argument as the intention of the composer, is revolting. It is an arrogant claim and one you should certainly not be so proud of having made. As has just been demonstrated, any poor argument can easily be destroyed and its proponents humiliated.
I don't like the key it's in.
Leonhard has NEVER been ' the true master of the organ' . His organ technique was insufficient, his taste too ' correct' , his touching was good for harpsichord, not sure for these great north german or dutch incredible organs .
I do not like this interpretation of famous toccata ... like the Tocco does not play, it's an insult ... Bach is turning in his grave
You're ridiculous, You can not like it, but Ton Koopman, along with Hans Fagius are among the great current organists ...
Agreed. It's like Ton Koopman spit on the most recognizable melody in all organ works.
If either of you did a bit more research you'll find he's playing this in an accurate pitch for its time.
Poor Bach.
Bad recording... Is it possible in the XXI century to do a so bad recording? Microphone are too much far from the organ... Too much reverb. Koopman is always a surprise.
This guy doesn't even play well.
John Smith That's great! That doesn't mean I mayn't dislike his performance. Go be butt-hurt elsewhere.
Your first comment wasn't about your personal dislike of his interpretation, but about your statement that he plays poorly. Which is why the following reply was about his personal history to try to prove your statement wrong. Nobody says you shoudn't dislike him, but that reply wasn't about that and neither was that the point. You just added something nobody asked for and tried to justify your position, quite poorly i might add.
And by your logic that people should be butthurt somewhere else, you too should state your dislike somewhere else.