No, Not Every Character Needs To Be Sexualized
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Katniss, until the end of snow's reign said she didn't want to have kids or be married, NOT because she was asexual but because the idea of her kids facing a life of poverty and fear was not an option to her.
Yeah, it greatly amuses me every time I see a ree ree go off on how Peeta "forced" Katniss to have kids in the epilogue, even though she "never wanted kids." Like, do you really think she wanted to focus on her career or something? 😂 Talk about inserting a modern progressive leftist spin where it doesn't belong.
@@susanpumphrey354 exactly, and it makes sense why she continued to be reluctant about having kids cause she has got to have really severe PTSD, but not wanting kids has nothing to do with being asexual.
Because of trauma, more than inconvenience.
And you know your kids being forced into an arena where the odds of them dying before their 18th birthday probably is something no parent wants.
@@susanpumphrey354and all those posts about 'i hate when people act like having kids is a happy ending'. It was a dystopian society having kids is a symbol of hope- that people can move forward to a less oppressive society and not have to worry about their children dying. It is symbolic. If no one had kids ever again after Snow was dead and Coin was dead then society would eventually end with no one left. How is that a hopeful ending knowing that Cinna and Finnick and Rue and Mags and Prim died (as well as a ton of other people) for there to be no future generations that get to be free because of their sacrifice?
Calling Katniss Asexual is the most idiotic thing ever because she quite lietrally was stuck in a love triangle between Gale and Peeta, before choosing the latter.
Why am I not surprised that they use sexual orientation in a 2023 movie 🙄, It’s like bruh 😤 why?. Your sexuality is not your entire identity.
And in the third book she literally has 2 kids
Thank you!
I literally had to pause at that moment and make the famous "HUH?? 🤨" Tucker Carlson face.... 😅🤭
ASEXUAL??? A JENNIFER LAWRENCE character?????????
Yeah, sure..... Whatever..... 😒😔
Let me just say it like this: Even though I was not particularly in love with the Hunger Games movies, Katniss Everdeen, played by Jennifer Lawrence was one of the most beautiful and sexiest strong and independent female characters I have ever witnessed. Without ever feeling the need to point that out! 👍
Lucy isn't sexual as a character; she is charismatic. As a lead performer, she has that charisma innately. Charismatic does not mean sexual. It's creepy.
More people need to see this comment. Everything is viewed through a lens of sexualization and it’s infuriating
@@talonsandtails501 I'm legitimately concerned for any teen actors working under that director.
@@TheJEWalteractors and actresses*
don't forget someone admiring someone@@talonsandtails501
@@talonsandtails501 It's like the dnd Bard mentality, people always equate charisma to sexual desire
I love that Katniss wasn't sexual. She was a teenager trying to survive in a tough situation. She wasn't ready or had the time to think about sex
The worst part was that I just watched the movie, and I didn’t recognize any real sexuality from Lucy. Adding a love story really helped to develop Coriolanus’s character, and I don’t know if they almost slept together in the cabin. But I found both movies developed very cleanly, but TBOSAS was a little too morbid for me to want to finish it
yess sameeee! the only part where there is “sex” is like 30 seconds at the end of mockingjay part 2 (movies) 😭
How could anyone think Katniss is asexual?? Girl literally had a boyfriend and a half, and two children 😭
Because brett thinks sexuality means only sex and not romance
That was more for survival. The only reason men wanted her was because she could put food on the table. When you live in hard times, your priorities change. I doubt anyone actually wanted to shag her. And I am now going to hell.
@@pathological8231huh? Its not brett who think that
@@pathological8231tf ya mean asexual is to do with sex
What your talking about is aromantic
If your gonna be in the alphabet gang then at least know your own shit
It's sad if I've studied it better than you
@@joeheart5808 homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, asexual. They’re all umbrella terms for sexual and romantic attraction. Is ay im bisexual but im technically also biromantic. Aromantic is only brought up when people have a sexual preference and no romantic preference. If you have no rom attraction AND no sexual attraction people just say you’re asexual. Because its a waste of time and a mouthful to say im asexual and aromantic. Typical right wingers don’t understand this stuff and so they assume that the words sexuality and ___sexual means OMG SEX, BONDAGE, ROPE, PENISES VAGINAS. The harsh truth is not everyone gives a crap about your labels lol. Asexual can mean one or both.
Everyone forgets that Katniss would have been sold as a prositiute had she not been in an on screen relationship with Peeta. Finnick Odair, one of the winners, was forced into sex trafficking by Snow. Others were forced into sex trafficking because the capital threatened to kill their families. If anything Katniss is not asexual, but is instead avoiding being sexualized.
Wow, was that mentioned in the movies? I don't remember that at all. I only read the first book and tbosas.
Yeah I remember Finn implying how he gets paid for his company by getting information from people.
@@tnetennba725_3katniss asks finnick how people pay for the "pleasure of his company" during their conversation before the tributes parade in catching fire (to which he answers "secrets") then in Mockingjay pt 1 he talks on camera about how he was exploited and the secrets he learned about snow as a diversion during the rescue operation for peeta, Annie, and Joanna
@@tnetennba725_3I don’t think they mentioned it in the movies, but in the “Mockingjay” book the rebels break into the tv feed in the capitol and Finnick tells his story as a way of distraction while the rebels rescue Peeta and Joanna.
@@@rachelh1720 I vaguely remember that now, thank you. It's also been a while since I saw the movies
This is like everyone telling me I’m Demi romantic because I like to have an emotional connection with someone before I sleep with them. I would call that being a decent and moral human.
So demisexual is anyone who doesn't jump in bed with anyone immediately? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 It is so clear those people have never stepped out of their society.
Exactly. It's infuriating.
Whatever happened to democracy? For the majority of the world's history and in the majority of cultures still today, the expectation was to reserve sex for one or maybe two people in your life. Anyone who had lots of meaningless sex was considered promiscuous, and there were no further labels. Someone promiscuous could grow out of it and settle down to one love, but that was a moral decision as you say, not a personality change.
Why does a small elite of the last 60 years of Western history assume they are the only ones who understand sexuality after millennia of practically everyone understanding it quite differently?
Literally that's just normal. Think it's part of grooming people to be promiscuous to consider that not normal
Actually, I thought that wasn't a thing, but if you only are able to be with someone with an emotional connection, yes you are demi, and it's not a bad thing, it's just putting a name, like personalities. It's just to know yourself. I used to think the same way, I didn't even know that could exist, and it was some kind of joke. But, when you are demi, it's not just about moral and being decent, is that your are literally not able to have sex, or even kissing someone else without a connection. Yes, I have morals, but also I can't have intimacy with someone without a connection, I just don't feel attracted, don't feel excited, and even kissing it's weird. And I'm an actress, so, to me, a kissing scene it's too hard. Because I just feel disgusted when I kiss someone without emotions. It's not about moral, because that can change, but your personality, and so as your sexuality it's not. It's just who you are. Moral is about your thoughts, but your sexuality it's about how you feel, and how your body interact with other people. I'm actually 34, and I'm glad that those things have a name, because it's easier to understand others and others understand you. It's easier to explain your self, and knowing yourself as well. You should try to know more about your self, so you can get why you act how you act in every circumstances.
@@katg5547 good point, but putting labels on people so much has the adverse effect of while comforting them, it could also restrict them and their development. Also, on the opposite end of this demi status is open promiscuity that
lots of people would become offended if they are simply identified or categorized by. The push to put labels on human interaction nowadays is both interesting & mildly disturbing.
Katniss:
-Sixteen, from district twelve, volunteered as tribute, falls in love during the games, won the games
Lucy Grey:
- sixteen, from district twelve, volunteered as tribute, fell in love through the games, won the games
Wow it’s almost like the whole purpose of the story was to show why Snows evil and that he had a “Katniss” himself!! Crazy man
And to show why Snow was so fixated on Katness and district 12 in the first place...
She’s sixteen? I really need to read the ballad of song birds and snakes i though she was eighteen just in general.
Lucy didn't volunteer for the games the drawing was rigged by the mayor because she had issues with his daughter and he wanted lucy gone. People also tend to forget there was a male tribute from district 12 also, Jessup.
Sadly, Im not surprised that people are debating the sexuality of teenagers in a fictional universe. Goes to show how far we’ve fallen.
their teachers and curriculum and social media influencers all make them think and talk about everyones sexuality 24/7
More pregnant teens, more babies for Antifa members to eat.
I honestly don’t care about this; it’s not that big of deal that they added another component to the new movie. Who cares that they are including an element of sexuality; it’s a movie, not middle school.
@@ironeagle4274it’s about the sexualization of teens, aka CHILDREN. No thank you!
Ew...I know teens are clearly active cause well I was once a teen but ew I don't think about it as a 30 year old...😖 Gross
The fact that Hollywood is STILL completely oblivious to the rather obvious parallels Suzanne Collins drew between the Capitol culture and Hollywood just cracks me up. The comments this director made about the characters’ sexuality just further highlights those parallels. 😂
"Hollywood is STILL completely oblivious to the rather obvious parallels ... between the Capitol culture and Hollywood". Ikr, I saw that instantly. The Hunger Games could be today's reality show taken a few steps further. Image in one of those survivor games the participants are handed real weapons and you have the hunger games.p
@@mancyank564 Exactly haha. If I remember correctly, I believe the author said in an interview that she did draw partial inspiration from Survivor. Makes total sense!
Yeah, J. Law really stretched her talents playing an anti establishment HERO. She is THE ELITE ESTABLISHMENT 100%
Elitists worshipping elitism, say it ain't so!
@@mancyank564The problem is bigger, it's the Americans who still don't understand that the work is a criticism of CAPITALISM AND American society. Thinking that actors are the Hollywood elite and not old white men, just like any other company in Western capitalism
Children living through a dystopian nightmare-and people talking bout them not being sexual enough?
These books were shockingly poignant and I’m planning to use them in my kids’ high school curriculum. Gonna be a heavy year-hunger games, 1984, and BNW.
Her books have a lot going on. One of the most underrated series.
Ironically some of my favorite books! Those kids will have an awesome school year
That sounds awesome! Sounds like a great school year ❤
It’s just true that Lucy’s character is meant to be a performer that could hide her secrets very easily behind a facade but it’s an overall good character neither character should be sexualized because if you’ve read the book Lucy is just as traumatized as katniss when she gets out of the games as katniss does when she gets out of her first games they are both just trying to survive
In the hunger games the only time sex is referenced to is when the book throws shade at how disgusting the capitol is for sexualizing traumatized minors (victors) Who are literally 18 and under. And actually calls out the people who do it as the true villains. Snow was outright pimping Finnik!!
To make it worse, didn't Finnick win his games at fourteen?
Yes! That's actually the main thought I had when I saw the article, and no one else seems to have mentioned it. Part of what makes the citizens of the Capitol so monstrous is how they sexualize and fantasise about all the winners of the Games! Hollywood is literally the Capitol right now
@@britt6184yep.🙁
@@britt6184 It is said in Mockingjay- ? (I believe) That Snow had to wait till he was 16 (for obvious reasons) Still didn't make the situation any better
So in mockingjay, at the very end of the very last chapter there is a part that talks about Katness and Petah “one night” but it was after their marriage, and it was very subtle. I mean like not saying it’s ok, but the way it was downplayed to obscurity, and how it’s after marriage is perfect. Just fixing your facts
They should call it “The Hunger Games: To kill a franchise”
Hilarious ngl
We can only hope 🤞
She is meant to be like that. In the books that is how she is like.
"snakes....in my vagina?"
No mather if its bad or good, it will kill the franchise because its the last movie in the series
i’m so concerned for how this movie will go. i absolutely loved Lucy Gray, and was devastated to hear rachel zegler was playing her. all this crap about her “wearing her sexuality on her sleeve” convinced me 100% the director never read tbosos. this is actually so out of hand💀💀
If you read the books youd already know how this would go. God shes just the actor playing her.
@@thanosbutididntkillloki5373 ??
Even worse, they cast a t&anny as Trigris. They cast a man pretending to be a woman as Snow female cousin
@@Indomita506 TIGRIS’ ACTOR IS A DUDE??
@@0bsessed_Mess yes, he is trans.
I think there's a scene in the movie that Katniss explain to Gale that she's too terrified and scared about everything to even think to have anykind of relationship or emotional connection, because the evil government already targeting and marking her loved ones. That's how I understand that she's barely functioning as sexual being, but always on survival state and set 'fighter' as default mode.
Imo, her situation is showing what the real oppression do to people's psychological behaviour. For Katniss, her whole focus and priorities is to survive and her family survival and safety. Not romance.
In real life, look at to the very low birth rate in Japan or South Korea for example. It's not because they're asexual people, but the situation (especially economy) and the work culture thing (people often died because they're exhausted from work), and isolation (limited human interaction or emotional connection), have psychological effect.
When you too busy and caught working hours to be able to have shelter and buying food, basically your time is spent for basic needs to survive, especially safety, you don't have time to 'first world problem' bs like this. It's people from Districk 1 and Capitol's problem.
I mean, look at the colorful hair. You think people who risk their life, everyday and hours, working at the mine (people from Katniss districk) would act like that?
Very well said! Great analysis. 🙂
katniss tells gale she doesn’t want children as long as they can be sent to the hunger games. which is in like the first 20 minutes of the first movie so i genuinely don’t know how people missed it 😭 it’s not something deep you have to analyze to get to lol
And in the original trilogy, Katniss talks all about how they do sexualize certain tributes, but Katniss didn't feel comfortable (and had a designer who actually cared) playing that up
CINNA!!!¡!!!!!
Both Katniss and Lucy were written to be powerful women, but you see their feminity still. Katniss sacrificed herself to protect her sister and then does her best to survive. Talking about their sexuality takes away the strength behind both of their actions and boxes them up into limiting roles when they are so much more. Which is exactly what feminism does to women.
Feminism just continues to get things backwards and upside down. Right on schedule.
@@jamesredline1352as someone who grew up in the 70s this is not true feminism. It was about equality not this garbage or putting down men.
@@lorifintel9784 I think we’ve all been tricked. You were tricked into thinking that feminism wasn’t a dangerous slippery slope just like everything else.
@@lorifintel9784the 70’s was the decade that convinced people it was a moral right for women to abort their own babies, feminism was already cancerous
does it
That is So so true! I am a teenager and me and my Mom love to watch your channel. I love reading books and it is so hard nowadays to find good appropriate/christen books. Love your channel 😊
i just came from seeing this movie with my gf and i loved it and ive never seen any hunger games movie before. Its amazing how wonderful things go when you shut tf up, dont bash neither your audience nor your movie and just limit yourself to do your job
Its scary how real people are literally mirroring the behavior of the Capitol people. They’re down playing all the violence and focusing ons sexualizing literal kids (if you remember, Finnick was forced to be a prostitute or his loved ones would be killed..so it’s absurd to even tweet that). Also “Katniss was asexual?!” What the heck, no she wasn’t! She literally loved Peeta and at the end has two kids!!
As a huge hunger games fan the difference between katniss and lucy shouldn't be sexual. The Hunger Games is about what happens when you put a hunter in a show and the balled of songbirds and snakes is about what happens when you put a performer in a hunt
So the performer dies within 5 seconds then.
@@manoftruth0935realistically yes, but this is a performer with plot armor
@@manoftruth0935 - No, she was the victor of the tenth Hunger Games. As Brett said, the book is not even about her. It is a villain origin for President Snow.
Having read all of the books, I believe you put this perfectly!
A performer who uses her sexuality to get food. Not that she is to blame for that.
Your promo segues are the best in any genre. I never see them coming.
Oddly enough, I always imagined Lucy as having some similarities to Snow White both in appearance and personality. Obviously she’s not a damsel in distress but she has a very cheerful disposition even in trouble and she likes to sing, dance and is in touch with nature
You know, Finnick Odair was seriously sexualized. Dude was pimped out to absolutely everyone imaginable against his wishes.
Yup…. the citizens of the Capital routinely sexualized the Hunger Games victors.
But, but...we have to be SEX POSITIVE, right????
@@arwenstrong2818 what are you talking about?? 😭 literally who has read the hunger games UNANIMOUSLY agrees that it was/is a horrendous thing that happened to him, considering HE WAS A TEENAGER when he was pimped out 😨 i get the whole sex positivity movement is harmful/annoying but this is a case that literally everyone disagrees with so i don’t know wtf ur saying no one is glorifying this
@@spacegalaxy19 I think it's ironic & sad that the people who want to sexualize teen characters & go on about "Sex Positivity" completely ignore that a teen being sexualized is one of the worst things that happens in the books, which is saying a LOT.
@@arwenstrong2818 ahh okay that take makes much more sense! yes it is mad how they’re like whoo hoo! a teenage character who is seductive and sensual! when there’s literally an entire plot line about the exploitation of children at the same time 🤢!!
(sorry about the miscommunication also, i hadn’t understood ur original comment x)
Lefties: "How dare people sexualize women?"
Also lefties:
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@@officiallytrustissues5411 Not all societal problems. But many of the ones that are heavily medialized nowadays are. Besides with leftist i don't mean the average left leaning person, more so the small extremist minority who are very vocal and seem to be running most things (like Hollywood) currently.
@@yarriddevogelaere2005 What does that even mean? WTF has asexuality got to do with oversexualizing someone, it's the complete opposite. Maybe one night the right-wing minority as a whole will wake up and realize how stupid they sound, 2023 nearly 2024 and all you can do is blame the left for improving the shitshow right-wings caused in the past.
Your product placement transitions are amazing 😂
I LOVE the transitions!!!
Teen sexualization is a major, MAJOR problem in media that is made specifically for a teen audience. Seeing most fictional teens that are already sexually active would understandably make one feel like they are the odd one out and that there is something wrong with them ( even if they are just a young asexual ), when in reality they are perfectly normal and even more or less part of the majority. Stuff like this could subcounciously pressure one to enter a sexual relationship when they are not ready to.
Please stop Hollywood, we would very much appreciate some good aroace rep, but you need to understand that most teens are not hormone ridden sex machines.
ok cool
Doubt. Was pretty damn horny as a teen.
OH GOOD, PEOPLE ARE FINALLY SEEING HOW DUMB THE BOOKS FOR TEENAGERS WERE ALL ALONG? Did we really need love triangles shoved down our throat and told romantic relationships were the most important saving force in the universe in every story? EVEN WHEN THE CHARACTERS WERE 11???? I literally was told in middle school I must be asexual because I thought the romance in Percy Jackson was unrealistic and cringe. I hate that damn term to describe normal teen girls who aren't obsessed with s@x.
"Aeroace" lol.
Remember when people had interesting personalities, instead of worthless sexuality labels? I do.
@@cursedcancersurvivorstill a real thing tho. Just people that dont want a romantic or sexual relationship ever. It's quite a curious concept, but i feel as though one shouldn't feel wrong or broken if they fit the bill. Im not a big fan of auto-prescribed labels myself, put some things warrant a recognition title, that's all.
I completely agree! It’s genuinely sick that we have grown adults writing about MINORS sexuality or how they embrace their “sexuality.” It’s fucking creepy!
I consider myself a feminist. And part of my feminism is being SICK of adults sexualizing minor characters.
To quote someone, "Weird! Weird."
Stephen King with "It" was creepy especially since the kids were prepubescent
Warning: don't read the book!
This! It’s gotten too normal for people to discuss sex and sexuality with and concerning teenagers. Yes, plenty of them do it, but that’s not a good thing and it DEFINITELY should not be encouraged or made to be normal like this! Teenagers shouldn’t be expected to think about stuff like this, we have far more pressing priorities and are far too impressionable still.
The movie Grease came out in 1974. Lots and lots of movies and TV shows I saw in my teens pushed our sexualization. It made me profoundly uncomfortable, and everyone around me said to loosen up. This sick stuff has been going on for decades. I'm glad people are finally speaking out against it.
I watched it and her character was my favorite she was sooo awsomeee and wasn't sexual at all and was actually very feminine
As a die hard Hunger Games fan, I do kind of see what he means and the characters sexuality is important to the story, Katniss being closed off, not flirtatious, not pursuing a relationship etc. Because of the fear that any children she might have would end up in the games, whereas Lucy is much more promiscuous as a performer though it is hinted that it's all an act to make ends meet.
Katniss' fear of sex in any capacity can be seen when she talks about cray enlisting escorts that are too desperate to say no and she remarks that "it mightve been her if she had been a bit older." It's clearly traumatic for her. Lucy on the other hand is confidant when it comes to relationships and navigates those waters near effortlessly.
I'm hoping that he said that off handedly and the reporter just kind of ran with it.
Suzanne Collins literally wrote the Hunger Games as a parody of such people and the toxicity of reality TV which is where these things are most commonyl found. Interpreting something in a different manner is one thing but completely destroying the creators vision, and I say this as a author and Hunger Games fan myself, is completely despicable. If someone did this to my stories I would not stand for this.
I so hate all these empty Hollywood remakes, chasing the dollar instead of revering the material. Thank goodness for Jenna Ortega, who by most reports saved Wednesday from being a sparkly vampire type story. There are some actresses who instantly throw a red flag for me. I will never see a movie with Brie Larson, Amanda Heard, or Rachel Zegler. There are also a couple actors I will never watch again either, like Ezra Miller or Mark Ruffalo.
Miller should be obvious to most, but Ruffalo might confuse people. Well, when the Rittenhouse trial was going on, Ruffalo said that Kyle was a murderer, and lamented the passing of "poor, poor Jojo". "Jojo" was the nickname he assigned to one of the men Rittenhouse shot on that fateful night, and was a convicted pea doe (disguised to avoid YT algorithm). I have no sympathy for pea does. If you are so far left that you sympathize with them, you are just as bad as them. Go to hell, Ruffalo.
How tf is the Hunger Games a parody of that, when the whole point is literally what the world would look like led by far-righters.
@@Mithras-jp4jp”Far righters”? Its a cautionary tale that shows what can happen when government becomes too big and powerful. I think any political ideology that sees the government as the solution to all their problems, aka Big Government, is the one you should worry about. Unfortunately, left wingers tend to want bigger government to manage the lives of everyone. Propaganda is used to demonize their political enemies while they use “safety and equity” as a way to hack away people’s civil liberties. Look at the covid response in 2020. Look at the way BLM protesters were treated in the media compared to right leaning protests during that same time. Liberals use to fight for liberties, now many of them fight against it all in the name of “safety”. There are so many current day examples of the left wing authoritarianism that it’s a little funny when people only point to the right as being authoritarians. Here some examples, tech companies and government agencies colluding to minimize certain citizens’ freedom of speech on social media platforms, advocates using gun crime to minimize people’s second amendment rights. Sound familiar?
Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Indiana Jones fans cannot agree more with this.
@@Mithras-jp4jppanem is America in a 100 years 💀
Honestly, it feels really gross to me that they're talking about Katniss and Lucy like that. Like.... They're teenagers. Can we please stop sexualizing teenagers? Can we just stop talking about everyone's sexuality? It makes me Hella uncomfortable, especially now that I have children.
I just came here to say that! Katniss was like SIXTEEN in the first book! Why are we talking about MINORS like that?
For real. It's just icky
it’s actually common for older minors (13-17) to have sex in this day and age. obviously we shouldn’t sexualize them but at the same time we can’t ignore the fact that it’s happening out in the real world. Saying that they’re just children isn’t enough of an excuse.
They both were over 18 when they played characters who were supposed to be minors. It’s Pedowood purposely wanting to sexualize minors while hiring actresses who aren’t.
@@graceful1537Just because it happens doesn’t mean it should be okay. Kids from ages 13-17 are still seen as children by law and by many other people. The only people who don’t care about that are the kids their age because teenagers have a habit of believing they actually know what their doing and pedophiles.
I despise Hollywood. They cant tell a story without an agenda.
This movie was actually 🔥 best adaptation I ever watched
The only thing you can say is Katniss had never been kissed and Lucy had an exboyfriend and possibly was a prostitute to avoid starvation for a little while. Neither girl was promiscuous, but victims of a bad government. Since Lucy was a performer, I am sure a lot of men projected this image on her just as this director has, against her own will as she just was trying to survive.
It is also such a stupid way of saying Lucy Gray Baird is a traditionally feminine girl, and that Snow was in love with her.
Right but as you're saying, whether we like it or not there are human sexual dynamics in the books AND the movies and I'm confused as to why everyone is saying there aren't.
Hollywood (especially Disney) need to learn that people's sexuality is not a personality trait ✨️
Your comments are great, but I have to admit that your segue into the first commercial made me for real LOL! 😆👍
That ad thoooooo... so smooth of a transition.
Katniss was involved in a "love triangle" with two guys. One of whom she eventually married and had children with. She's not asexual.
I’m always promoting modesty and ending promiscuity and sexualizing, and people think I’m absolutely crazy for speaking out against a sexual society. It baffles me how normal and acceptable it is now a days
I'm like that, too and I know a few others. Not even religious. Just sensible and aware of what really matters.
ok cool
I saved myself for marriage and had my first kiss at 17. I thought there was too much teen sexualisation when I was growing up in the 1990’s and see so much more now. It’s the d€g€n€rat€s in Hollywood that are p€d__s and overpaid elitists (mostly the ungodly ones)
@@arwenstrong2818 well at least there are some atheist that believe that part, children are to young to be having sex, that’s why they are children!
This! Same. I'm 22 and I support just to respect yourself, be normal, and not to oversexualize everything. People think that I'm crazy 😅😢
Sex IS alluded to at the end of Mocking Jay when she and Peeta get together. It's so subtle, Brett didn't even notice.
And the fact that Finnick was sold into prostitution 😅
Either way, that is stated as a VERY bad thing
Everytime you do a promo it comes out of straight NOWHERE and *BAM*
I think there needs to be investigations into every director that sexualizes teens and children in their films and TV shows, like Elizabeth Banks, everyone involved in Riverdale, the director of Blue Lagoon and many more.
Dont forget sam levi. (Sam levinson)
I don't have a problem with movies showing 2 minors having sex and making out. But only as long as the scenes are NOT lengthy and graphic/explicit. But that movie KIDS from 1995? Yeah that was nothing short of child porn and it should never have been made. And it should have been banned everywhere quickly after it was.
"Pretty Baby" anyone? (I think that's what it was called.)
@chickennuggiepartygirl9749 I cant believe I totally forgot about that weirdo 🤦🏻♀️
@@HaileyEd i wish i could
The fact that everything is sexualized for nothing boggles me everyday. Like how did we really get this low as society?
Lack of God in our lives
@michaelrivera8360 you sir are right I've been reintroducing God back into my life as of late it's already been great I just wish more people would do the same
Satan knows his time is short. Evil is taking over.
yup... Godless society. And I'm not saying "Christianity" but ANY presence of a higher being is lacking. @@michaelrivera8360
@@Angela-lb9zi damn right about that
Hello, first I would like to say i enjoy watching your channel, keep up the good work! As a fan of this series I went and saw it over the weekend, I found that there were no sexual or racial components brought into the movie. It explores the relationship formed between lucy grey and snow but never tries to preach and mainly focuses in on an earlier side of panem and the same political problems explored in the original series. I don't know much about this actress and the whole snow white ordeal, I gave up on disney and their politics long ago. I am just speaking in regards to this movie. It stays very true to the book and is a great addition to the franchise. Both the actor who plays snow and the actress who plays lucy grey deliver powerful performances. I have to commend this team for staying true to Suzanne Collins book . A great look into a young president snow and the decisions that lead him and panem toward what we eventually recognize them to be by the time of the hunger games. I would give it an 8 out 10 and would recommend it for any hunger games fan
already giving her a like for her enthusiasm and work (seeing a young person thinking for herself AND sharing it with the world...just beautiful)
Katniss and Peeta actually do have sex in the original series. It’s in the end of the last book where she has sex with him and then says “after” she tells him her loving him is ‘true’. The sex scene is literally one word in a sentence. It’s the part where she explains why she needs Peeta and his lightness more than she’s needs Gale and his rage. Katniss also comments more than once how Peeta creates a ‘pull’ in her which is easily an reference to sexual desire.
The sexual nature of the books was purposefully downplayed so that it was barely noticeable. The films should reflect the same.
The sex scene must've gone over my head. I know they got married and had kids but still suffered PTSD from the games
@@priscillajimenez27just the marriage and kids is enough to denounce that tweet
@@priscillajimenez27 iirc also in the film, Katniss struggles with how to tell thier kids about the hunger games when they are the right age
Whatever sexual relationship between Peeta and Katniss was only implied after they were married and in the fact of them having children. The rest of their relationship was built in shared trauma and being with someone who understands that trauma. I know the scene you're talking about at the end of the series and it leans much more heavily on romantic love and a sense of commiseration than a sexual need. The sexual nature of the book was not downplayed because there wasn't any except for the parts that Suzanne wrote to clearly allude to something sexual, like with Finnick and Johanna.
It sounds like you're putting your own sexual spin on this story and adding suggestive elements that are not there.
@@priscillajimenez27 If they had kids then I suppose they did have sex at least somewhere between the lines...
Teen sexualization is one of the worst thing that happens in this world 😭😭😭
They have raging hormones and are horny almost all the time. They sexualize each other constantly and always have. Guess you don't know because you skipped teenhood altogether or something.
Were you not sexual as a teen? Yeah, that's called natural.
@@The1stDukeDroklaryou don't get it
Yes!!!
@@The1stDukeDroklarthere are plenty of pre-teens who also are sexually active. You can be sexually active at a very young age. Guess what we shouldn’t do? Sexualize children. Why? Because that’s pedophilia. Why shouldn’t we sexualize teenagers? They’re kids. Saying they’re sexually active does not mean they should be sexualized*, those are two very different things. Society is so over sexualized. It’s stupid.
I was watching a show about the Prohibition on alcohol being removed in 1930, and they mentioned as an aside that that same year the marriage age was being raised from 9 years old. And even today, in America, a girl can get married at the age of 16 years old. So, your saying that only today is this an issue is something that you need to educate yourself on.
I love your show and your content. Please, keep up the good work.
Honestly, I’ve been hearing great things about the movie and Rachel’s performance. I’m in the middle of the new book now, so I will see it when I am finished. So far, it’s a great book and I think most loved the movie too!
"Sexuality on her sleeve"
Damn dude, even Tarantino was subtle about his foot fetish... at first.
It got over the top in OUATIH but you can pull that shit after a handful of successes.
-Katniss was a badass chick and instead of picking Gale forming a power couple (like in the movie Divergent) she chose love and a weaker dude in the form of Peeta. (point for the girls)
-Katniss ended the movie with freedom, a kid running around, a newborn on her arms, Peeta and the cat (point for the boys)
Balance achieved, and they all lived happily ever after....
LETS RUIN IT ALL 10 YEARS LATER
Yet another reason why The Hunger Games is gold & Divergent is sh*t.
Peeta may have been "weaker" (or more sensitive) but he stood by Katniss in a way Gale never did.
That's a nice franchise you got there.... be a shame if somebody shit on it 🦅
Hollywood? Ruining a franchise with politics? No! That would never happen... to anything outside of Lucasfilm. Oh, oops.
Gale bombed his sister my boy😅😅😅
You sneaky biach. That sponsorship talking point was Smooth 👍
Calling Katniss Asexual? She admits herself she was too afraid and traumatized to even think about that stuff. When Gale was whining Katniss literally said that all she felt was fear, there wasn't room for anything else. Besides, it I had to describe Katniss' sexuality, it would be Demisexual. Only attracted to someone she has a deep and emotional connection with. Like Peeta. She never had that with Gale. He was a hunting partner, a friend. He pined like crazy for her, but her feelings for him were only ever loyalty. Personally, I feel like Katniss never really saw Gale as a potential partner, he just kinda forced himself into there and made the love triangle. Katniss only ever showed devotion to Peeta. Gale was too much for her. Too pushy, too violent, too angry. Peeta was safety and kindness. Katniss wasn't even able to let herself be fully open to love till after the Capitol fell. She didn't want kids at the start because of the Games. She didn't want to go through the fear and pain of her child being reaped so she just wasn't going to have kids. Had nothing to do with her sexuality, and everything to do with fear of the Games.
Once you are older and around high schoolers for coaching sports, you realize just how much they are still totally young kids. Makes me sad that they have to deal with so much of this sexualized pressure at a time that is already stressful for them.
Yeah teens are very childlike thats why imdespise men dating barely legal teens and call them women... no creep she is not adult like and thats why You like her, You like her cuz she is a KID
Very true.
My Hunger Games phase fizzled out about a year before TBOSAS was released, but I still read it.
I can agree that Lucy Gray is the “anti-Katniss”, but not in terms of sexuality. For me, Katniss was more reactive while Lucy Gray was more proactive. Katniss made the choices she did because she felt forced to. Volunteer for the Games or watch her little sister die. Go back into the arena for the Quarter Quell or her family and close friends would die. Be the face of the rebellion or be the reason innocent people suffer and die.
On the other hand, we have Lucy Gray. She intentionally draws attention to herself by singing at her reaping and slipping a snake onto another girl. She puts on a show on purpose to win the support of the Capitol (the difference between her and Katniss is she didn’t have outside help).
I could not agree more... Thank you so much!!
The second book in Maze Runner had some sensual parts. Also the Maze Runner’s story went down in flames after the “plot twist” in the second book. To the point where in my head canon only the first book exists.
aside from Katniss and Peta having kids in the epilogue, sex was never mentioned or implied. However, with today's day and age everything has to be sexualized. Or at least that's what the world says.
Not quite true. Finick talks about how he is regularly sold to the wealthy...
And the beauty of acknowledging that sex isn’t only a pleasure endeavor, but has a bigger purpose. Katniss, Peeta, and their children bring fresh new hope as the closure of what could’ve been dark and pointless ending.
So Rachel Zegler is playing 2 completely different characters. One is trying to sleep with men to get power/influence. One doesn't want to sleep with any man because "she don't need no man"
This is a great point lol
So much for her high high horse. Principles stop talking when money walks in the room.
Hunger Games was a series that I watched after a traumatic sexual situation irl. It is because I wanted something serious and grounded- (and I’ve always been a fan of tasteful gore) NOT ridiculously sexual when I was extremely sensitive to the subject at the time. I find the world to be ridiculous.
Hope you're doing okay and have good friends around you while you're recovering from your experience. So sorry that happened to you. Wishing you all the best. 🙂🙏💜
Awesome video Brett 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
To be fair, SNOW sexualizes Lucy in the book, which unfortunately makes that an unfortunate topic that the reader has to deal with. His narration is interesting in that it leaves you wondering how much of what is being shown is actually accurate vs how much is his skewed perspective over-exaggerating things. So there are scenes where Snow perceives Lucy as "leading him on", and the audience has to figure out whether she is actually doing that, whether she is doing it out of survival, or whether it is entirely Snow's perspective and Lucy is oblivious to what is happening.
I haven't read the book yet but that is an interesting point. I know Snow has a granddaughter later so is Lucy who he marries?
@@priscillajimenez27 I don't want to spoil anything, but I will say that the book had a lot of twists to it!
I saw this article the other day and just rolled my eyes. Hollywood gonna Hollywood, after all. But I LOVE the point the girl in the video makes, that we only ever "see" Lucy Gray through Snow's eyes, so her overt sex appeal may have been exaggerated. That's something I hadn't thought of before. And yes, Lucy Gray used her feminine wiles to survive (not just in the Games, but in life in general), but the whole point is that she was doing it to SURVIVE. She played up her talents, just like Katniss did, she just happened to have different talents. That's all. ALL District citizens did whatever they had to do to survive.
The only time the books did mention sexual stuff, was on Finnick. Not graphic, but subtle mentions to explain exploitation on a person based on their looks than personality. Because Finnick was forced to be a prostitute, people have a perspective of him that he is forced to use to gain secrets.
I never sat there reading those books thinking about their sexualities. Some people are bonkers. Why are people on the extreme ends so loud? Oh I also don’t bother with fictional characters ages. I don’t have the time or energy to pretend that an imaginary character can be a victim. I separate reality and fiction. No imaginary character has real trauma. No imaginary character is a real victim. Sometimes people say wild things like “maybe character B acted like that because they had a trauma response from seeing their teddy bear burn in a fire”. My response to that is “or maybe this fictional character was written like that to move the plot”. Like some people have gone wild with this. They’ll diagnose fictional characters with very real disorders with their arm chair degree in psychology. They’ll also boil down the disorder to the most minute unrealistic thing because they don’t know how a disorder actually develops. Idk when this started but it really needs to stop.
I love this series, and I'm so thankful that the original triology was filmed before the movie industry went so downhill! I hate seeing them try to ruin it 😡
Hey, coming someone who loved hunger games and had a hard time looking for shows and books similar to that, i would definitely recommend you to watch a show called 'spinning out" , no its not about killing to survive but it is somehow very similar to it , its main character 'kat' has a younger sister whose character is similar to 'prim' and the other character named 'Justin' really gives of peeta , its really hard to explain its connection with hunger games as it is about ice skating , but its definitely worth it
Absolutely!
Thanks!
I read about this and it pissed me off. I related to Katniss on almost every level and to say she was asexual, when she literally liked 2 different guys, is absurd. (#teampeeta) And Lucy doesn’t wear sexuality on her sleeve, it really worries me this is the interpretation of this character and how she will be portrayed, considering she was just a regular girly girl whereas katniss was not, that’s the big difference. So stupid. It tells me he knew nothing about Katniss, no understanding of aloof and introverted people such as myself.
@@Ionknownbroyeah tbh in the books she always talked about how if she didn't go into the games she would have ended up with Gale and it honestly kind of sounded forced upon her
I just love your advert segues🤣
Your transitions from video to ad are annoyingly good, it makes the viewer think your going to divert the video onto a tangent and then, BANG, here's the flawless transition into an ad, w
I'm so glad you're talking about this!!!!! I'm not a fan of Hunger Games but I thought it was so weird how sexuality was brought up when it's not even mentioned in the first movies?! And also, introverts are asexual? What?! 😂
not according to my internet history
can confirm being an introvert does not automatically mean you're asexual.
Not according to my personal history. I actually think it's the quiet ones who will surprise you.
Easier for our pop culture to focus on her "sexuality" than on the political and cultural critiques of the book, perhaps? The way the promotion for the trilogy was obsessed with the "love triangle" to avoid focusing on the fact that Hollywood is literally the Capitol???
I’m literally so mad about this!! Katniss is my favorite book character and I’m so excited for the ballad of songbirds and snakes and I even bought a rainbow skirt to wear to the movie 😭
We need an update on this now that the movie is out
I remember being sooo bored at work, and then picking up the first book that someone had left behind. Couldn't put it down, and red the trilogy in a week. Absolutely loved them
Was it really that good? I've outgrown YA and children's books.
mark munroe Well, I thought so... but you know, everyone has different taste 😅
I am nearly 64 and I adored The Hunger Games movies! Divergent... not so much.🙄
@conniewaterman1673 I haven't seen Divergent. Based on books too, are they any good?
I’m a HUGE hunger games fan. I’ve read all the books and watched all the movies. This is so sad what they are trying to do to the franchise. The left sees something good and then immediately try’s to destroy it. I’m glad there’s been some backlash against it tho. I hate that they cast Rachel Zegler as the lead considering that she just ruins all movies. I’m still excited to watch the movie in theater when it comes out though. I just wish Hollywood would quit it and let us have a movie without their gay propaganda. I’m just hoping it won’t be as bad as we think.
see, now Hollyweird is looking for exactly your type of paying movie-goer: one that is a big fan of the book-movie-etc, one that doesnt like their propaganda BUT still goes to see their upcoming movie... at least dont say that you will go and pay to watch it, they are rubbing their hands in anticipation, you can be sure they have employees reading comments about their movies.... Think about it for a few moments. All the best to you.
I am such a super-fan, but I can wait for it to come on a streaming service. Leave the teenagers alone Hollyweird!!
@@DaniOrdo That is true. If anyone hasn't learned about the power of the dollar by now. Sometimes it requires some self-sacrifice. I 'll pay to see it when it's free.
It’s really good
Greetings,
I have not read songbirds and snakes and I have not read the article referred to in the video, but I might have a slightly different interpretation. Rather than referring to the sexual attraction or preferences of these characters, the terms “asexuality” and “sexuality” may be referring to their behavior tendencies. Yes, both Katniss and Lucy are 100% female, but Katniss really doesn’t have much that is feminine about her and it seems as though (just conjecturing here) Lucy is obviously more feminine in contrast. That’s my hot take. 😉
Thanks for all you do Brett!
Ps: I absolutely love your sweater
It feels like we’ve come full circle: the girl who “danced for my dinner, spread kisses like honey” is no longer a victim of predation; now she’s fully empowered (despite being a slave to a genuinely tyrannical system) and “wears her s*xuality on her sleeve” … and the woman who is torn between loving two men is ace.
*coughs*
“No! R2, stop! We need to be going up, not down!!”
This, this is what I like to see. A agreeable message AND a Star Wars reference? Yes sir!
This, this is what I like to see. A agreeable message AND a Star Wars reference? Yes sir!
@@TheRomanSkullTy, Ty 🙏 😊
@@rivendells_shona Yes, my lord~ every clone and me
Can you say this in other words?
The Hunger Games series is absolutely phenomenal . . . possibly my favorite of all time. Suzanne Collins is an absolute genius and TBOSAS was a masterpiece. Why are they tearing all of that down with stupid discussions about character elements that never existed??!
I feel the exact same way I’ve been obsessed with this series since I was in 5th grade and now I’m almost 20. I hate who they casted as lucy I’ve felt this way since I saw she was snow a white a couple years ago when they announced the live action casting
Frankly, I read TBOSAS...it's not very good. Frankly, the original trilogy was good, but it bothered me that the Katniss in the books fell into a self martyr trope. Blaming herself for literally everyone who suffered or died fighting the Capitol...which dismished the free will of those people and their choice to fight back.
@@Youre-WelcomeAgreed, but as the daughter of a military man I am sadly used to this misconception that every soldier must feel guilt for doing their JOB. Soldiers have a very developed chain of responsibility and focus on survival and the mission. The number that actually develop PTSD from fighting in battle is actually very low.
I haven't read this book yet, it's in my collection. I listened to the others on audiobook and LOVED them, loved the movies. But I was already done with this movie months ago as soon as I saw Rachel was the lead 😒
Warning! Spoiler!
I watched the movie yesterday, and no, Lucy Gray is not asexual. She falls in love with Snow, which is obviously a guy. Thank God Holly wood didn’t mess this movie up.
So wait... I'm a quiet introvert .... does that mean I'm secretly asexual? Lol, wow, I'm learning more about myself every day! *extreme sarcasm, btw*
Also I'm a new viewer/subscriber who just discovered your channel recently, loving the content!
Katniss was never "asexual", as the books progressed Katniss struggled with her feelings for Gale and Peeta's loyalty to her.
2:43 in the ballad of song birds and snake it says that Lucy gray and the main characters sister had to do whatever it takes to survive and make money after talking about the main character being jealous of Lucy gray having “past loves”
Btw I totally agree that the movie shouldn’t be sexualized but I just had to clear this up
I quote I’ve seen going around is katniss is a fighter forced to perform and Lucy is a performer forced to fight. I think that sums up differences pretty well without anything else needed
Without being sexualized, Katniss was hot. There's so much more to a woman making her attractive than just her looks/sexuality.
Exactly. Thank you
I read the Hunger Games before it was super popular. Sex? Nope. The closest they got was...
Peta was sleeping in Katnis's room with her because she was having horrific nightmares. This might look like sex, but very clearly it was just him being the only person in the world who was treating her like a human being and being there to comfort her. Nightmares as described are very real. What might be more disturbing still is that Katnis never goes into too much detail about any specific nightmare. The important part is having someone with you to assure you it was only a dream while you're still half asleep and having the panic attack.
Peta later publicly tells everyone that they secretly got married and now Katnis is pregnant. This was a survival tactic, and literally nothing more. It has been determined that the legit best way to win the Hunger Games is to be the most interesting tribute, therefore getting the maximum number of viewers glued to the screen. The people holding the keys to the arena have no problem just up and murdering problematic tributes. The slight problem the rest of the country had with the Games was that the participants were children, but there were age limits... suggesting that an unborn baby was going into the ring kinda gave the people of the Capitol a taste of that, like 'Hey, shouldn't there be a rule against this?' From that point on, all the viewers will be rooting for Katnis to win, which would save both her and the life of her imaginary child. The judges would be practically forced to have her win.
I like Brett’s sweater, I need the link 😂
I didn't see Lucy "relishing the spotlight." She seemed to have a natural onstage presence and had used that her whole life as a means of survival which carried over to her tactics in the Hunger Games. She didn't love it. She was talented and used it to survive.
I remember reading the Hunger Games back in 2019 for my English class in my senior year of high school, and I read the two sequels after I graduated. I remember being hyped for Ballad so my aunt bought me a copy when it came out. I still haven’t finished it and after this video it made me want to get to reading it. Thanks Brett!
The ad transition was so smooth tho 😂
Right on the money Brett
I love the books as a teen and she was definitely not asexual 😂 she had several kids at the end of the series.
Almost as if the love triangle NEVER happen or something hahahahahahha she loved both and DIDNT knew whcihc to choose until she FINALLY realised Peeta was Best boy
Children's characters should stay innocent. If they aren't designed for an adult context, they shouldn't be assigned adult nature. Frieza from Dragon Ball Z is written as a villain who wishes to rule the universe. While you meet his father in the show neither of them have great dialogues about their love lives. It's not what the show is about. Keep kids content even for young adults within the context of the intended audience.
Finnick was literally forced into prostitution after winning the games. It’s like people that claim to love the hunger games don’t know anything about it.
I love dbz but this reponse is so random and off, one of the main character traits of master roshi is how he sexualises launch and bulma who is only 16 at the time when the story starts and constantly gets nosebleeds when tryna to see her naked 😂
Not to mention “ballad of songbirds and snakes” smacks of “a song of ice and fire” they even got Tyrion.
I like your videos a lot. They are great ❤ thank you.
Thats the thing, Lucy Gray is very much a polar opposite to Katniss in almost every way. But its gross and annoying to immediately make the difference relate to sex/sexuality, especially cuz both characters were/are minors
Lucy Gray is a performer. She's a singer/guitar player. Director is weird to connect that to sexuality